Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #51 | Nelson, the only benefit I know about is that spagnum is said to retard mold. I used spagnum in the past on a few cuttings with good results. I think I prefer the Baggie method with newspaper, It's just easier,for me, and the newspaper seem to retard mold better that paper towels. Glad you didn't have any mold problems. I have mold problems every time, but as I think I said before, 50/50 H2O & peroxide takes care of it.I have to laugh at myself---the first time I used the baggie method, I had lots of rooted sticks, but was waiting for the roots to get longer. I got busy and kind of forgot about them(for like a week & a half), when I checked them, I had long roots, but severely molded cuttings that did not recover. I was a complete newby(dumba--), Ha!Ha! I learned a lot from that first attempt and from the wonderful guidance of the great people on this forum. Good luck with your cuttings! |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #52 | Ha ha I spoke too soon I just checked one of the cuttings thats in the soil now and noticed one of the holes where they took a fig out of has a little Mold covering the hole. Will do that you recommended before Tim and see if that helps. I have tried the 50/50 water and Peroxyde in the past on a stubborn moldy cutting I had and every other day it would have more mold than when I cleaned it eventually It died but I hope thats not the case here.
I forgot to mention the other two cuttings that are not rooting are about 1 ft in length each just as are the two black variety cuttigns that are showing roots.
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Reply with quote | #53 | Nelson,
I think you are on the right track!
Only thing different I would have did would be cut the one foot sticks in half, I have did that with pretty good results!
Gives ya a better shot at maybe having more plants per stick. |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #54 |
Cecil these two that are not rooting were initially about a 1.5 feet I cut about 6-7 Inches from the bottom and those two I cut off one has roots the other started showing roots over this weekend. I should have cut one more out of each cutting. |
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Reply with quote | #55 | Well at least you have some cuttings that has rooted for ya, that is good....We are glad for ya, just be extra careful with the watering! As Jon told me not too long ago
"balance,balance, balance!"
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Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #56 |
Cecil , good point about cutting them in half!
Nelson, yes, I did have to reapply the peroxide mixture once the mold starts, like every 2-3 days, but it kept it down long enough to get them rooted. I forgot to mention that on my first attempt, I used an old heating pad wrapped in a towel, in a bathtub, on low. I had the cuttings in baggies, in a clear ,covered bin, on top of the towel. I left it this way for weeks, like I said, NEWBY DUMBA--! No wonder I had so much mold! Since then I sit the bin in the bathtub with no heat whatsoever.(This is inside the house!) Works just great. Re: the cups with the domes, opening them a little every day or so to regulate the humidity, helps to retard the mold too. I've read where some here poke holes in the dome to keep it from getting too moist. I also know from experience that if a lot of condensation forms on the small leaves, they will rot too. |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #57 |
Hi Tim I agree this summer all the new leaves that grew in my dome cups that touched the cups that had allot of condensation rotted every single one and I had 12 cuttings going at that time and this happened to all of them so that I agree 100%. One think I can honestly say is I have no clue when to water them and how much so even though these have rooted im still a bit nervous about that. Like how dry is too dry for new rooted cuttings and how how much water is enough. |
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Reply with quote | #58 | Nelson,
The watering thing is hard to explain!
Jose explained it to me this way "soil needs to be crumbly"
Scott told me he just uses his fingers dipped it water to lightly fling water on the little guys!
I hope that the more I talk does not confuse you more (not my intentions at all), both of the above guys know what their doing (unlike me)
I might add "moist not wet potting soil" |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #59 |
Thanks Cecil thats exatly the kind of answer I was looking for. One of my yellow Serbian cuttings I did this summer I noticed that the soil was pretty dry so I was going to pour water on it then I said hmm let me just give it a couple squirts with my spray bottle wich I did within 2-3 days The roots had travelled a bit to get to the moist soil on top maybe thats the secret not sure but you just reminded me of that. |
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Reply with quote | #60 | Nelson,
While we are talking about how much water roots needs to grow, The potted plants that I double potted with the bigger pot having pine bark only for the filler/insulation, the plants have grown 6" roots in the un watered pine bark.....no kidding, so my point is that the roots need very little water. |
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Reply with quote | #61 |
Thanks for the help Cecil, thats always been one of my worries I figured dont let it get too dry but in reality its the other way around. |
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Reply with quote | #62 | Yes
The other way around would be an understatement!
I have drowned some really nice plants, I know! |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #63 |
Oh I know exactly what you mean Cecil. I put my camera charging this morning hopefully I wont forget it tomorrow and bring it to work. This working 70 hrs a week is killing me. |
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Reply with quote | #64 | Nelson,
In a year or two you will read all this and laugh
We know what you mean about the 70hr work week, we were limited to 70 hrs in 8 days when we were trucking (70 hrs for me, the same for wife) We have been known to buy new log books and start all over, but don't tell Rafed, I wouldn't want him to get the wrong opinion of us!
We gonna learn together! |
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Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #67 |
Hi Nelson, this is what worked for me: I moistened the potting mix slightly before I potted the sticks. Put a little mix in the cup, gently held the stick & crumbled mix aroung it, then gently knocked it on the table to slightly settle the mix. Don't pack it--it needs to be airy. Then I watered them thoroughly & let drain. Put them in a clear bin & put on the lid, back in the bathtub(it gets indirect light there). If it get's too moist in the bin, open it a little for an hour or so-then close it back up. I don't water them again until they are completely dry. You'll be able to tell if you use clear cups, they'll be light and no condensation inside the cups. Then, i usually wait a few more days before I water them, just to be safe. Then I give them just a little water, maybe 1/2 cup. Be sure they don't stand in water in the bin. Usually , they are well rooted in the mix before i have to water them the second time. Then I wean them out of the bin which is humid--slowly. This spring, I put them directly in my shaded greenhouse. It stays pretty humid and if they looked like they needed a little extra, I just spritzed them good with a little water. Before you know it you can pot them up in gallon pots.Hope this helps---I'm sure some of the more experienced members might have some other tips. |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #68 |
Thanks Tim I moistened the mix a bit before I put it in the cups then I put a bit on the bottom put the cutting in and then gently poured the mix in slowly as I held the cuttings with the other hand. So far so good, will try to take some pics tomorrow of the progress. |
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Reply with quote | #69 | Ok so here are some pics that I had Promised. Sorry the flash makes it hard to see the roots.
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Reply with quote | #70 | Looking good Nelson, I hope to have the same luck on the cuttings you sent me. I will get them started this week end or early next week.
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Reply with quote | #72 | You're right Nelson, I have too many irons in the fire. They are not from you but another fig friend. I realized it as I was reading another post. Thanks for the heads up.
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Reply with quote | #73 | Nelson, the ones in cup look good so far, please do not give much water at this stage because from my experience in past the roots will turn brown and slowly get mushy and plant will go kaput. The roots being so tender i figure just cannot take up much water at this point. Im no expert but just trying to explain what i have experienced in past. Just last season i had 2 VdB with leaves and roots looking nice and was near transplant out of cup so i gave more water and then was going to wait another 2 weeks, the leaves wilted and the roots rotted and turned dark and mushy when i pulled plant to inspect. I said to myself if i would not have watered them they would have had good chance but no no i had to give more water cause im wired by default to make em grow faster .
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #74 |
Martin Same here I always try to get them to root as fast as possible and then kill them with water, so this time im doing the opposite of what I ususally do and thats no spraying every couple days just leave them as they are. |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #75 | Ok so this week the two black variety cuttings have grown very little. The white however has surprised me.
This Pic taken on Tuesday Oct. 13th sorry about the quality

This Pic was taken on Thursday Oct. 15th

This Pic today Sat. Oct. 17th

 This cutting has shown the most progress this week
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Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #76 | Hi Nelson, looks like they are doing well. Don't worry about top growth, you want the cuttings to concentrate on root development now. The top will burst out later when there are sufficient roots to support it. Good Job! |
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Reply with quote | #77 |
Thanks Tim you are absolutely right I dont want the top growth to burst now because that will rob the energy to the roots I have poked a few holes on the top cup to keep the temps lower up top hopefully that will slow down the top growth and the focus its energy on the roots. Worked for me in the past |
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Reply with quote | #78 | Hey Nelson there looking better and better your rooted little ones. I also used those type of plastic bottles last season when i rooted several santa cruz dark scion , be careful trying to get them out i cut mine open with a razor plate and still had hard time as the mix was not real firm because i wanted the roots to penatrate easily and grow. I even tried to tip bottle over and slide it out but the soil because of to much perlite wanted to seperate , when i cut ope it did it anyways but they grew into nie plants luckily . If there is a next time for me i will use less perlite but i think im buying scion and rooting them. Yours are coming along nice !
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #79 |
Hey Martin, I have done it a few ways using these pop bottles the best thing is to add perlite at the bottom to even out the bumps, obviously I only remembered that after I had the cutting and mix in there but have done that way in the past with great results. I have to say though the more perlite I mix with the soil the easier it is for me to remove the cuttings after, because the mix just falls apart. When I use these pop bottles I always cut them in three places straight down to the bottom then peel it back a bit like a banana and cut the plastic off all the way around and then just pick it up by the little bit of plastic at the bottom and tip it slowly into my hand has worked great for me so far. But 1.5L water bottles or cups with flat bottoms are the best and easiest. |
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Reply with quote | #81 | Ok so 3 weeks into it and we have 5-7 cuttings with roots the other 2 that I talked about before still the same no roots or root initials yet.
This is Bebera Branca #3


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Reply with quote | #84 |
Ok got a quick question my cuttings that are showing good root growth are leafing out and its hitting the dome wich has holes in it, should I remove the dome gradually or can I just take it off? |
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Reply with quote | #85 | Nelson,
Unless the humidity is really low because of maybe the central heat in your office taking out the RH I would take the cups off the top, maybe leave them off for a couple hours, then cover them again!
Then do it again for 3hrs, etc,etc!
That is how I do it, others might have better Ideas??? |
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #86 |
Hi Cecil the temps in here are between 70-80 humidy usually 55-60% atleast thats what my thermometer reads how accurate it is im not sure. In the past I have punctured holes every couple days and eventually just reomed the dome its worked 50/50. All the new leaves that are growing and touching the dome seem to be shreveling like the others have in the past. I guess I will try it your way and see how they react. |
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Reply with quote | #87 | The little leafs should not touch the cup!
You are right, they will surely rot!
I think if it was me, I would remove the cup and watch the leafs closely. |
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Reply with quote | #88 |
Cecil this morning I took the dome cups off and instead put big ziplock bags over them and cut the corners off. I will take the bags out during the day for a few hours and then put them back on for the next couple days and see how that works out. I took some pics today just need to upload them to photobucket. |
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Reply with quote | #90 | Thanks Cecil
Bebera Preta- the other one is just starting to break bud


Bebera Branca



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Reply with quote | #91 | Hi Nelson i love looking at pictures and you post em ! Keep eye on roots and watering is all i can suggest and i know you are cxertainly doing that each day! Kepp us posted and pictures coming like a long frieght train.
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Reply with quote | #92 |
Thanks Martin yup I have definately been keeping an eye on the roots today was the first time I misted some water on the surface since I started them three weeks ago. I have lots more pics just need to get them sorted out first right now 5 out of 7 are rooting and looking healthy for the time being. |
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Reply with quote | #93 | So today I decided to switch the two Bebera Preta cuttings into 1 Gallon Pots. Today is the 24th Day since I received the Cuttings
Heres some pics of the roots of Plant #1


Heres pics of the roots of the #2 cutting


Now what I did was put layers of soil and then sprayed each layer with a squirt bottle wasnt sure how much water it needs at this point and was scared to kill the roots. Is that good enough or should I lightly water them?
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Reply with quote | #94 | Nelson,
Careful, careful careful with the water right now, you can drown them easily at this stage........I KNOW
I think I will use an old ink refill syringe to water my little plants like you have there, that way you can get the water down to the root level without having to soak the top enough to get water to the roots.
Others might do it differently, they can always chime in if they think I have gave some wrong advise. |
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Reply with quote | #95 |
Thanks Cecil I will just let it be like this for a couple days then stick my finger in the soil and see how dry it is. Last thing I want is to kill them now |
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Reply with quote | #96 | Great looking picture Nelson and some great looking roots. This has been a learning session for me. Keep up the good work and the best of luck with the rest of the project. I want to see figs next year.
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Reply with quote | #97 |
Thanks Gene this was the first time I used a heat mat on fig cuttings and so far I cant complain, I had these two cuttings that I poted today and the 2 Bebera Branca cutting that were also the first two to show roots out of the whites. Would be nice to get some figs next year, who knows anything is possible. |
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Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #98 |
GO Nelson!!!! I leave mine in cups longer so that when I transfer them, they come out soil & all and right into gallon pots. That way the roots aren't disturbed. I'm not saying you did anything wrong, just what worked for me. If you asked 10 different fig nuts, you'd likely get 10 different answers.They're looking great!
Cecil, you always give good advice! I swear them thumbs are turnin' green.
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nelson20vt
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Reply with quote | #99 |
Thanks Tim , when I use smaller cups I do leave the cuttings in the cups allot longer the Cups I used now are huge no Idea where they came from but they are 9"tall and the bottom is 3" top 4" diameter the cuttings I have in the regular sized cups I will leave another 2 weeks alteast. Anyone ever use Cactus Soil? I used it on one of my Capelas cuttings just to see if there is any difference. |
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Fatnsassytexan Registered: 03/14/09
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Reply with quote | #100 | Do a search for cactus soil. I think Sue posted one time about using it, but I don't know the results. It's light,airy & drains well---sounds like it would work to me. |
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