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My pastiliere in 2nd full season is dropping some figs.
With my dark types i grow when they turn this color i know there going to fall everytime thats been my experience since growing figs. They should turn a slight lighter green first with swelling and then turn color as they continue to swell over short period of time.
Not turn dark first and no swelling what so ever.
So these i show to point out the bad.
Next season will be its third full season so time will tell what happens and how it holds its main crop.
Pictured are the figs im talking about and some that fell several days back.
In another thread " Dark Portuguese" i will picture a main crop fig just starting
"the good process" of getting ripe .

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Posted Reply with quote  #2 

the pictures in the variety area look sooooo tasty.  it's a shame!
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Jason your so right they do.
This tree hopefully will come around there are still more figs on it maybe they do the same or maybe some will ripe, i will surely report what they do.
The next season same thing i will report on what this tree does in my climate good or bad .

I made a mistake when i said with my all dark types they do this but thats not the case with all but almost all when i gave more thought.

My Vdb does something much different  and i start another thread on that tomorrow.
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It is a dude in my opinion thow sometimes it ripe fruits because I seen George Michalev having some ripe fruits from his tree.
I discarded mine and do not regret it.
You see it does what some Celeste do:Drop some first fruits,maincrop,and keeps the later forming fruits,and in doing so it is not an early ripening cultivar,because the remaining younger fruits will be ripe much later,and fall behind Hardy Chicago ,Marseilles blk,Sal Gene etc.
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Thanks for that information.  Thats bad news for this tree , after seeing this i said to myself 1 more growing season if does same it goes away and i move on i wont put up with a tree dropping figs for a few ripe ones .

 I wont waste my time like other tree i had, each season it would drop its crop as well , the 4th season 1 ripe fig and rest dropped so to much time for me and got rid of it .
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Martin:Cultivars like Pastiliere,are found super good super Hardy,and super productive,in Ideal climate ,where the polination is possible and the fig was roam freely,and not in our climate.!!!!
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we can always dream ;)
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Thanks Herman, if i known before i would not have wasted time with this, lesson learned - ask first.

Jason speaking of dreams.
This is first time ever i dream of figs. This afternoon i was tired i was out all morning doing yard work , cutting grass , weeding etc. I took shower and layed down for a minute to relax and fell asleep. Next thing i know i was in some sort of store with a bag of fig plants asking the counter lady for someones name that worked there that had wanted some fig plants.
Weird as i never dream about figs ever.
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Hey Martin I know how you feel I too bought this variant because of what I had read that it was good fig for cold areas, I did not read between the lines where it mentioned high fruit drop. Oh well since I bought the darn plant I wont be getting rid of it just yet but it is a little disapointing. Here is a good link with some info and pics to keep the hope alive. Speaking of dreams I dream about figs all the time specially about growing a huge fig tree like Giovanni in Philly without winter protection here in Canada lol what are the odds right? I will still try though

Martin heres a link that might cheer you up a bit
http://www.planetfig.com/cultivars/fcveng8586.html
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Herman2

Martin:Cultivars like Pastiliere,are found super good super Hardy,and super productive,in Ideal climate ,where the polination is possible and the fig was roam freely,and not in our climate.!!!!


pastilliere does not need pollination.
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All Female figs that drop fruits for any reason stop dropping them when polinating,that is a fact!
There are totally persistent,partially persistent and totally cauducous female figs in the world.
Pastiliere,and for that matter Celeste is partially persistent,partially parthenocarpic so that is why it drops part of the crop,with no fault from the Gardener,wich is very upsetting.
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Yes its very upsetting indeed .
I just looked at the tree and 2 fallen figs are laying on top of soil and counted another 8 that i can tell will definetly drop as they are dark purple and never swelled what so ever like a fig should.

 I have one which happens to be the largest on plant starting to swell and turn a shade lighter green and should then turn dark as days go by - so i expect 1 ripe fig so far.

Make long story short  10 -1 ratio
10 fallen - 1 future possible ripe . Just disgusting and so far a big waste of time watering, cost of soil, pot and fertilizer.

1 more season for this plant and then just maybe to get even i put it thru a Chicago winter unprotected in the veggie garden which faces NORTH/SOUTH.
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Good Job Martin:Let see how cold hardy is??????
By the way:I also had Melanzana from Italian fig trees,doing the same thing.
People pay big money for it in Italy,because it is known as a choice fig and with the help of the (Fig Wasp),makes the most delicious fruit There,but not here,or maybe once in a while a couple of fruits will persist here too after the gardener watches most of them fall dry,and tasting like cardboard.!!!
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Here is picture of the 1 that will ripen .
I will post picture in and out of fully ripe fig when time comes for those curious.
I also took picture of other figs that are sure to fall the dark ones you can see will drop guaranteed like the others that turn dark and drop without swelling first.

I can understand now about it being a cold hardy type as i notice the limbs darken faster than my other trees limbs you can see this near top of tree already in 1 of the pictures i posted. 
I can also understand now this tree likes to drop 99.9% of its figs as well to date despite being well taken care of like Herman mentions it needs the wasp to help it and will not get that here in my yard.

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Martin:I also want to mention one Fact:
On the tree that are partially parthenocarpic,like Pastiliere,Melanzana,Celeste Burjasotte Grise(I herd reports),The Fruits that are polinated in Italy and saouthern France,are much larger tastyer,better flavored,than the unpolinated fruits on the same tree,in the same time.
Also the polinated fruits have an interior of different color,usually much darker,than unpolinated ones.
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Posted Reply with quote  #16 
Pastilliere drops all brebas. It does not need the wasp.. It is strictly a one crop variety.
The young trees tend to drop fruit, but my experience with 10 mature trees of pastilliere is different, no fruit drop.
@Martin: could you post a picture of a leaf?
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Posted Reply with quote  #17 

No Offense but in My experience it was dropping main crop all of it.
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I moved container to take pictures in shade.

Here is my Patiliere in 2nd season. Most of this plant is all this years new growth the wood darkens quite fast as you can see it dark all the way near tips of tree.

As a note the leaves look pretty healthy now but not the case at all in spring as the mosaic was showing quite well now its hideing.
All those colored fruits will drop as they have been doing.

This was  UcDavis scion propagated by forum member and bought by me in May of 2009 a tiny tiny  plant.
I show picture of plant late season of 2009 going into September .

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Posted Reply with quote  #19 
Thx martin. It maches the charactaristics of my pastilliere.Would be nice to see the fruit when ripe.
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Posted Reply with quote  #20 
My camera as of late is getting a work out but in a helpful way for me to document my plants for my future reference as i cannot rely on memory so much, notes help but much easire to look at a dated picture and see the progression with my eyes.

I will definetly cut open fig and take photo's and then describe its taste when its properly ripe.

I will post back here in this thread.
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Nelson and others opinion please.

 I went back and reread the link Nelson posted in post #9
and reread again and again. Im not the sharpest thats for sure i should have stood in school.

What confuses me and made me reread article several times is it talks about breba and its main crop.

Cause at bottom of page under General Data it goes into detail about plants habits and says

Crop - Uniferous

I thought uniferous mean 1 only or do they mean uniferous in a certain climate ?


 
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I took pictures this eve of ripe pastiliere.
Some pictures were taken on patio in sun, i then picked up container and put under yard tree in shade to take some more. Hope you see what i see.

Taste of fig.

Seed crunch to me to date was best i ever experienced, lots of them but very fine they were. I always enjoy seed crunch in a fig.

I ate each half with skin 1 at a time. The first one im thinking i have tasted this before. Im sitting under the yard tree in the shade thinking what the heck is that taste. Then my memory finally kicked in Chicago Mulberry's i had when i was a kid when brother and i used to pick them from trees.
I ate the second half and it confirmed it .
Now that taste was mild not real strong and thats what was making it hard for me to figure out.
It was juicy and came close to watery but no.
The sweetness was there and blended well with the mulberry taste.

For very first fig ever this tree produced it was good to me and with good reason it may be better when tree gets more mature if it make it that far in my yard.

The problems so far that i see with all of this though.
The fig yesterday started to split at the eye without any rain before it started to ripen and 1 watering by me a day before i notice fig was starting to ripen.
So i doubt water was factor for fig splitting maybe its its nature to do this ?
The tree so far has dropped almost all figs with the few left on they will drop also i can tell cause there colored and no swell, there is one near tip that may or may not ripen its little younger fig.

So the fig was good , the tree's performance to date is horrible period and if it continues in future like this i cannot keep .

Next season i evaluate its performance.

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Sorry i forgot the fig weighed 47 grams.
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Thanks for sharing. It certainly looks like a great fig.
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Yes I agree it looks like one great fruit from the many that dropped frustrating Martin!!!!!
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Martin, did´nt the taste remind you of honeydew melon?
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Apnoist yes that taste was definetly there at first but faint and was overtaken by the mulberry type taste quickly.
What i did like is the taste lasted for a little bit when i was done eating fig and i wanted more than one fig to gauge taste but tree is done for season (all came off with touch) except maybe 1 fig left thats green. 
I can only imagine for now a mature pastilliere tree would be an excellent tasting fig if it can hold them on.
Next season i get a better idea of its performance in its 3rd full season. 
This tree limbs is giving me good indication on all new growth it will winter well in garage this im not worried about.
I will report on this tree next season thats for sure.
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Posted Reply with quote  #28 
Someone on the other forum said they never seen red liquid coming out of fig.
The drop of sap on eye appears red but its not. Its clear and the color bleed thru it to make it look red.
Lasst several pictures you can see its clear if you look at the left cut fig at the top you can see the sap drop with a smudge on it from cutting the fig in half.   ; )
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