Explanation - Rob's Genovese Nero (?) Cutting Sale

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HarveyC

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Posted 1422318829 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

First off, this is not intended to initiate a discussion on what has previously proven to be a very controversial subject. Around late 2012 I purchased Genovese Nero cuttings from Rob on eBay and the resulting trees have been vigorous and productive. The leaf shape on my trees is not consistent with what is considered normal for this variety introduced by Adriano in Canada. Rob has insisted that he made no switch and I believe him, but that is besides the point. There's a possibility that there could have been some accidental mix-up but Rob has told me that he doesn't believe so (he provided me with a list of other varieties he has grown and it doesn't match any of those). I'm not sure what to make of this situation. One other member Genovese Nero from another source that is deemed to be reliable and one of his branches does form deeply lobed leaves like mine. In addition, at least some of his fruits appear similar to what my tree produces. Gary (figgary) has a tree from me and he agrees that there is an apparent similarity. Both Gary and I have harvested some fruits that we consider to be very good, though Gary's tree is younger and wasn't as productive yet. In any event, it is my opinion that cuttings from my three trees should be grown by others for evaluation. I have discussed this matter with several others who agree, including some who certainly did not agree with some of the position statements I took this past summer on F4F. They have supported my decision to sell these cuttings on eBay with the explanation I've given in my eBay auction. I have priced these cuttings at what is a modest price of $10 each, plus shipping. Half of the proceeds will be donated to the charity of my choice, Unbound. My wife and I sponsor three children and their families through this organization. If you care to know more about Unbound, read https://www.unbound.org/OurImpact/WhoWeAre for more information (my family has seen their work in person several times on mission awareness trips). I'll make a little bit of money from this but not much after the donation and eBay and PayPal fees, but that's not the point. I request that anyone who chooses to purchase these cuttings that they be carefully labeled and, if they are every shared with someone else, to ask that they label them carefully. Thanks. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rcantor

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Posted 1422346870	Reply with quote #2

Great explanation and price. What's Rob's last name (or initial)? I'd like to label it R_. I've already bought mine. 100 cuttings from a 2 yr old fig - that's impressive! __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

RichinNJ

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Posted 1422359449	Reply with quote #3

Very nice Harvey. I also remember that blow out - epic.

mgginva

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Posted 1422365226	Reply with quote #4

Harvey, I missed whatever happened and am still "on the mend" so I have no idea what the controversy is. I bought cuttings from Rob as well and got 2 trees. This one ripened figs on 9-26 and here are two not so great photos. If I can help you let me know. mgg Thanks again for the excellent chestnuts. I also bet I owe you something and my brain has been way too fried to remember but I hope I'll get to these things ASAP . . . once I find my notes. It currently looks like a bunch of drunk chickens had a party in my office and threw in a couple of hand grenades as they left. __________________ Michael in Virginia (zone 7a) Wish list: Perretta,

aphahn

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Posted 1422368394	Reply with quote #5

Way to go Harvey. Here's hoping we can figure out what it is we got from Rob. __________________ Andy - Zone 6a Lat 39.9º N, Alt 5390' Westminster CO ⚘ Scion List

WillsC

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Posted 1422370469	Reply with quote #6

Harvey did ask me about this and did run the auction idea past me, not that he needs my permission. I was one of the most vocal in the controversy last year as all this naming confusion annoys me to no end. Do hope people label the plants as Robs GN until we know for sure. Think Harvey explained it well in the listing and was very clear.

timmy2green

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Posted 1422371103 · Edited	Reply with quote #7

I purchased a cutting from Harvey last night. Took me to 1:30am to recover my paypal password, kept getting error messages that made no sense and finally got it done in a different browser. Thanks for sharing Harvey. Looking forward to some juicy fruit! Hopefully my cutting takes. As soon as I paid I regretted not buying a second. Guess I'll be doing a lot of praying that I bat 100! hehe Sadly my track record is way below .500, but I got a good feeling this is my year! __________________ Saratoga, NY - Zone 5a Wish List: Sbayi, Poona, Panevino Dark, Lebanese Red, Sumaki, Raspberry Latte, Negretta, Italian 258, De La Reina MP.

HarveyC

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Posted 1422377400	Reply with quote #8

Thanks, everyone. Bob, the initials are RD but I suggest everyone label it "Rob's Genovese Nero" for the sake of consistency. Another forum member sold cuttings from their tree that originated from the same source as "RGNN" without explaining what that meant (posted here once to mean Rob's Genovese Nero Not) and I know of at least one person that bought it who already had a tree from me. I thought keeping the name simple and clear was best. Michael, I'll get back to you. :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

figgary

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Posted 1422377683	Reply with quote #9

Harvey mentioned that I have a young tree also, so I thought I'd share pics. Much larger than Michael's fruit. My neighbor liked it so much, she asked if I'd start one for her. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

coop951

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Posted 1422382428	Reply with quote #10

Whatever that fig is...it's beautiful. Good luck to all who grow it!! __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

GreenFin

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Posted 1422393179	Reply with quote #11

Just want to highlight that the Rob that Harvey is referring to (initials RD) is not the member here at f4f whose screen handle is Rob (initials RB). (I'm not saying anyone has mixed them up yet, I just don't want that to happen, especially since it seems like it might be easy to do.) __________________ James, zone 6a Kansas (zone 10 greenhouses); wish list is in my profile http://www.FigCuttings.com

Willofig

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Posted 1422393303	Reply with quote #12

Harvey or Figgary Do you have any other leaf pictures of this? __________________ Mario zone 6a Willowick,Oh

rcantor

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Posted 1422394807	Reply with quote #13

I'm good with Rob's GN. :) I like that it keeps the GN part but is distinct. Your solution is great. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

figgary

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Posted 1422395475	Reply with quote #14

Here you go Mario. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

HarveyC

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Posted 1422400319	Reply with quote #15

53 cuttings going to the Post Office in a few minutes, 47 left. Oops, just got one more order for 2, will hurry and get it ready also. I was up until 1am last night, hope to get more sleep tonight! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

RichinNJ

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Posted 1422401184 · Edited	Reply with quote #16

Quote: Originally Posted by figgary Harvey mentioned that I have a young tree also, so I thought I'd share pics. Much larger than Michael's fruit. My neighbor liked it so much, she asked if I'd start one for her. I agree with Coop what ever that is its a good looking fig. I can't wait to see what my Frank's Salerno looks like when it has fruit.

timmy2green

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Posted 1422406498 · Edited	Reply with quote #17

Nice pic Gary! Timothy __________________ Saratoga, NY - Zone 5a Wish List: Sbayi, Poona, Panevino Dark, Lebanese Red, Sumaki, Raspberry Latte, Negretta, Italian 258, De La Reina MP.

gorgi

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Posted 1422459389 · Edited	Reply with quote #18

OH Harvey, HarveyC fig-friend; I think it is time for you to set up own fig-site?!? BTW, how is my promised Black Madeira rooting doing. George (NJ). Edit: Thanks for the private email about my BM update ... Also, your fig-orchard-start looks impressive. You being in fig-heaven CA, not much can go wrong?, wishing you all good business luck ... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

HarveyC

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Posted 1422462733	Reply with quote #19

Gorgi, I have the beginnings of a web site at http://www.figaholics.com but didn't have time to set up a shopping cart, etc. there so I still just do eBay. Some day.... Your Black Madeira is coming along. You asked for either a rooted cutting or cuttings and I've got your name on one cutting I got started, but none are going gangbusters. The plant I got from you did great after that tragic start! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

schaplin

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Posted 1422494834	Reply with quote #20

I hoping my cutting roots too. They look great no matter what they are. Surprises are half the fun. __________________ Wish List: @Hmari, @Maltese beauty, @Col de Dame Grise, @Bryant Dark, @Lynhurst White, @Melcedonia Dark, @Panevino Dark, @Paradiso

schaplin

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Posted 1422496440	Reply with quote #21

Wow that shipped fast. Harvey must have been up late again. __________________ Wish List: @Hmari, @Maltese beauty, @Col de Dame Grise, @Bryant Dark, @Lynhurst White, @Melcedonia Dark, @Panevino Dark, @Paradiso

HarveyC

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Posted 1422500575	Reply with quote #22

I've had a few people inquire about direct sales instead of eBay and I'm fine with that. The same donation to charity will be made as well. Just send me either a PM or email and I'll provide PayPal instructions. I have a couple of dozen or so left plus some extras in case some end up getting lost in the mail, etc. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

HarveyC

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Posted 1422670615	Reply with quote #23

Sold out! Sold 100 on eBay and another 7 direct to members here and two more final sales pending. With those, will have raised $560 for charity. Thanks everybody! __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

JLee

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Posted 1422670760	Reply with quote #24

I ordered four today - JLee_1988. Looking forward to this. Thanks for shipping it out so quickly too! __________________ Orange County, California / Zone 10b Wish List: Col de Dame Grise, Aubique Petite, Vasilika Sika, Galicia Negra -Jeffrey and Anna

figgary

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Posted 1422672867	Reply with quote #25

Very nice, Harvey. A lot of work, a great cause, and a very good fig to boot! Kudos. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

armando93223

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Posted 1422672876	Reply with quote #26

Great Deal, I like this fig variety..... I would of bought 2 but ran out of branches to graft onto...LOL Will be looking to buy next go around. __________________ Armando in the Heart of California

brianm

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Posted 1422672977	Reply with quote #27

Well done Harvey. . __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

HarveyC

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Posted 1422675562	Reply with quote #28

Okay, I'm coming out! :) I thought I would address one issue that is likely on the minds of some members that are aware of the controversy behind this variety/strain. Rafed and I are on good speaking terms these days and he communicated his full support of this sale. He was fully aware of my plans prior to me starting the auction. The only concern he expressed was that the price was too low. If anyone agrees, feel free to make an additional contribution directly to Unbound or St. Jude's Hospital. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

figgary

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Posted 1422675731	Reply with quote #29

Good to hear, Harvey. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1422714507	Reply with quote #30

That's great, Harvey! So glad to hear you guys were able to talk things out. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

bigmike

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Posted 1423107375	Reply with quote #31

Hey Harvey, I received my cuttings today and wanted to say thank you! I am super excited about growing this variety:-) Thanks for the opportunity! __________________ USDA Hardiness Zone 8, Central Texas Fig `till the End!

dirtguy50

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Posted 1423107997	Reply with quote #32

You're a good man Harvey. Every penny helps these charities so much! Thank you. __________________ No, your other left! Zone 6b, Keith in SW Wish List: Violette de Bordeaux & Marsilles Black VS

HarveyC

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Posted 1423113317	Reply with quote #33

Thanks again, buys. Look forward to seeing how this fig does in different climates, soil, etc. I have Genovese Nero from another source now and will be growing it next to this one to compare and know that some others are doing the same. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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