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Panache plant has main crop starting. Click thumbnail to enlarge.
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I am jealous, I have several main crop panchees but I started them in February in a greenhouse otherwise I'm behind you quite a ways.
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Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hold the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Martin is taking pictures of figs that aren't dark?? Could the world be ending??? Has Martin sold his soul???
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Nice figlets Martin looks like they'll ripen for you.Have you ever had Panache ripen for you in your area?Thanks for sharing please post pics when they get bigger thanks.
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I have one that struggles, and today, I bit the bullet and twisted off that tip that never grew. Lots of latex came out. Not one tear from me. I've really had it with this Panache! Good luck with yours! Suzi
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I'll wager that Panache's attraction is that exotic coloring and that Martin wishes it was dark with a green stripe instead? noss
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Jon...lol... Its in what is called the Chimera family of figs thus in my yard . ; )~
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So, you pretend it is wearing a costume, that it is really a dark fig underneath the costume, so it is OK???
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Noss yes i kinda do as i would also grow that one and it may or least did exist at one time according to this writing - 2nd paragraph . I grow panache and jolly tiger in my yard cause they are most unusual plants. As a note the panache has variegated wood and fruit . As another note there is a "Reverse" Panache no variegation in wood or fruit. My panache tree has 2 main branches 1 main branch produce variegated wood and fruit. The other main branch is Reverse no variegation in wood or fruit. My Jolly Tiger has variegation in wood, fruit and leaves as well. It also is similar to panache in that there is also reverse in plant "IF" ones lets it grow and keep growing a solid green branch which has produced no variegation in wood, leaves nor fruit. The fruit i have have observed on all green branch of jolly tiger was purple-ish unlike panache un-varigated side which is all yellow fruit. Noss 2n paragraph which what you mentioned about what i wish. ; )Chimeras:Chimeras, presumably originating from somatic mutations, are not common in fig varieties. The few reported involve variegations in leaf or fruit. At least two accounts of fig chimeras have been published, the first by J. L. Collins (1919) and the second by Condit (1928a). Collins illustrated and described a sectorial chimera of a Lob Injir fig which differed from other chimeras "in that the cell in which the change took place was not in the developing of young fruit itself, but in a cell of the young shoot on which the fruit grew. A few of the leaves growing on the tree which produced the fig-chimera were characterized by white areas or sections."
Condit reported a still more striking chimera in an Adriatic fig (fig. 18) which showed one third of the surface to be green and two thirds purple, with this dark sector divided by a narrow ribbon of green. The bands of light and dark color persisted when the fruit became dry. Another Adriatic tree had one twig which produced dark colored figs instead of the normal green fruit. One large branch in a Lob Injir tree at Reedley, California, bore both albino and variegated leaves year after year, although the fruit showed only faint indications of variegations. None of these chimeras has been saved by propagation.
The most striking fig chimera yet reported is that exhibited by the French variety Panache and described by various horticultural writers. (See Condit, 1928a.) The immature fruits are beautifully striped with bands of green and yellow (fig. 18) which gradually become a sulphur to golden yellow as the figs mature. The branches of the Panache tree also show variegation during the first year\'s growth, but the leaves are of a normal green. Seeds of Panache from open-pollinated flowers did not produce any progeny with variegated fruits or twigs.
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I started this one in February at work in the greenhouse to get a head start, I would have probably had ripe figs already but spider mites were on the tree so I ripped off everything until I was able to get them under control, 1 year old tree but I only have about 3 figs on it and I hope they are tasty.
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Here's my my Panachee main crop I hope I get a few to ripen that would be sweet.I may start pinching (Hermans method) in a month or so.
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With decent weather end of August should bring about some ripe if your counting days. ; )
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Thanks, Martin. I'll bet that purple chimera was very pretty. The colors are those of violets with the green and purple. Too bad we can't find one that would be persistent with purple green and gold. It could be called, Mardi Gras. What a cool tree that would be. :) I think your Jolly Tiger is the most beautiful fig tree I've ever seen, the heavy variegation it was sporting. Couldn't stop looking at the photos of it. Is it still as striking with it's being older, or does the variegation lessen as the tree gets older? Thanks for posting the information on the dark/green fig. noss
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Has anyone had a ripe fruit off their panache tree in zone 7 or cooler? Mine was a decoration in my yard here in southern New Jersey. Now it is a decoration in Luke's yard. I made a small airlayer before I sent it off and will try it in the greenhouse I am building this fall.
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Thank you Martin for giving me hope.
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7 Duece, I should have a ripe one or three in about 30-40 days, but I forced it in February.
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7 Deuce yes i had 1 reverse and several variegated Panache late last season around 2nd week of October, i had left breba on last season that did not make it. This season i took any breba off i seen. This season i should get some hopefully end of August it looks like ; ) Noss to answer, the variegation does not lessen unless i let it , one must prune any pair of green leaves that appear at end of branch or it will continue green from that point on.
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Martin says: >>> one must prune any pair of green leaves that appear at end of branch >>> or it will continue green from that point on. This is a very useful piece of expert information/advice! If I understand corrrectly, in laymen terms: Variagation mutations tend to 'revert' to the natural state. This tends to happen at a new tip growth. Hence by cutting off the 'reverted' new tip, other old already mutant buds, should sprout from below ... ?
Overall, it does make a very good sense for me.
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Originally Posted by gorgi Martin says: >>> one must prune any pair of green leaves that appear at end of branch >>> or it will continue green from that point on. This is a very useful piece of expert information/advice! If I understand corrrectly, in laymen terms: Variagation mutations tend to 'revert' to the natural state. This tends to happen at a new tip growth. Hence by cutting off the 'reverted' new tip, other new already mutant shoots, should sprout from below ... ?
Yes. ; ) Here is something i never showed but it did not make out of dormancy. I try to create a mostly or all yellow fig tree. This one is dead. Click to enlarge.
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Martin That's too bad that one didn't make sure looked cool like an albino fig.
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Martin, Lately I had a (somewhat) similar (non fig) experience. I own a tender plant called 'Cuban Oregano'. It has fleshy variegated leaves and if touched, a very strong oregano aroma will fill the air. Normally they are one of the easiest plants to propagate. One can just throw a piece for 0-4 weeks on a wood bench, and then just toss it on top of some moist soil - it will self root! Lately I observed a couple of (further) mutant tips with the leaves completely pale yellow/white. I cut them off to propagate them as best I know. They just plain rotted away.... My guess is that plants do require some of that famous natural green colored ENGINE (chloroform) for them to function and produce food...
I wish that we humans can reproduce that perfect/masterpiece plant-engine to somehow extract more of that free/strong energy supplied by our sun and replace oil.
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I understand Gorgi what you say makes sense , there are some plants that are not green but have a green type pigmentation thats not seen to photosynthesize like the coleus plant i think. That one pictured was actively growing last July with no problems but winter dormancy here killed it along with a few other fig plants of mine. I set another airlayer and try again .
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Fascinating piece, Gorgi. Thaks for posting it.
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Here's some of the leaves from one of my 5 panache trees. Is that FMV or variegation on the leaves? I only see it on 2 of the 5 trees. Either way, all of the trees are growing like crazy this year. Will have cutting for trade or give away at the end of the season.
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Thats FMV.
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A few more Panache from San Diego.
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Originally Posted by Figfinatic Here's some of the leaves from one of my 5 panache trees. Is that FMV or variegation on the leaves? I only see it on 2 of the 5 trees. Either way, all of the trees are growing like crazy this year. Will have cutting for trade or give away at the end of the season.
hi, i'm new in figs grower, and now only have brown turkey trees as my collection. Now i want to add more variety of figs trees. can you send me some cuttings, preferred panache trees? i hear this is beautiful color and also tasty thanks
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Sorry Customs are very tight here and overseas. Cuttings and plants are subject to quarantine while persons importing or exporting can be fined heavily for trying to circumvent custom officials.
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Originally Posted by nypd5229 Sorry Customs are very tight here and overseas. Cuttings and plants are subject to quarantine while persons importing or exporting can be fined heavily for trying to circumvent custom officials.
so i can't have some cuttings here? sad :( need some advise