handarius
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Here is my technique, let the pictures describe: 1. Prepare the tools (cutter and adhesive tape / wrap plastic)
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Then, placed the plant in shady area about 2 weeks. Hope this techique usefull for all member in this forum. Cheers..
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Fits like a glove! I'd love to try this. I wonder how an English BT and Hardy Chicago would turn out. Thanks for sharing!
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@ FiggyFrank = hope yours can be success.
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I will try this when I get the chance, I have a feeling I will need to become very good at grafting as my space is running out.
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Great pictoral! Please keep us posted in a couple weeks to see the progress! Suzi
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Love the lesson in photo's.
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Just plastic wrap works? No fancy grafting tape? I might be able to try it then.
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this seems so obvious! why didn't I think of it? you are a genious. Looks great, fits like a glove. Hope it grafts nicely. I wonder if there is a better time of the year to do this. We still have abit of day light here, but will start raining and will be cold, wet and raining...however, if covered with plastic, that rain won't matter, except it will be perfect for mold... hum, I am so tempted to go try doing this.
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You grafted this green wood to green wood late in the season? Would this also work dormant wood to dormant wood? Suzi
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Similar question: So is it more successful to graft green wood to brown lignified wood (not dormant)? Green to green (non-lignified to same)? What's your success rate with plastic wrap? Anyone else try it? Maybe do plastic wrap and then foil around it?
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I did two grafts today using parafilm grafting tape, one negronne and one VdB, the scion was smaller than the root stock but one side is perfectly lined up on the cambium so it should take still, we will see in 2 weeks, I have it inside, 18-22 degrees celcius so I think it has a very good chance.
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@ All: 1. The better way is just try this method by yourself, experience is the best knowledge; most of your questions will be answered by your experience. :) 2. The better result is: dark-green wood to dark-green wood (sory, I dont know what in English), and the same size on diametre. 3. In Indonesia, too difficult find fancy grafting tape or parafilm grafting tape; so I use the plastic wrap and its work. 4. The percentage of this method is up to 90% :) @ DesertDance / Suzi: Yes, I will report the progress of this method by picture 1 week and 2 weeks later.
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Forgive me for asking something that may be obvious, and I mean no disrespect, but "Why"? Is there a benefit to this on Figs? Normally grafting on apples, roses, grapes, peaches, is done to have a less hardy or sensitive plant on top, grafted to the rootstock of a very hardy or disease resistant cultivar. Or to dwarf the cultivar. The problem with this is I think if the top isn't hardy, It's just going to die back to the ground anyway and sprout up as the unintended variety. I don't see a huge benefit. I would think you would have to constantly trim out the suckers. I would try it if I could see a reason. Fill me in. Maybe: To obtain a hard to root variety. Maybe: Get a headstart on a variety. Maybe: Gain vigor? Maybe: I answer my own question?
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Many of us fig collectors don't have enough space for all the varieties, so grafting a few varieties on various branches gives us the enjoyment of many varieties. Simple! The suckers would come from the mother plant, and you would always have to trim those out whether or not you graft. Suzi
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Thanks Suzi: Not a bad reason. At some nurseries here in Michigan you can find apples, pears, peaches with 5-6 different grafted branches. I always though that would be dificult to make sure as the plant got older you didn't prune out and lose a variety here or there. And they would have to grow different. I guess with good permanent labeling, this would be an advantage.
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Adriatik is not good to produce the Fruit in Indonesia. I often use Adriatik for the rootstock. I have hundred of Adriatik in pot, so its will be usefull for rootstock (not good to produce fruit). One branch of good cultivar (such as Panachee) can be used for 10-15 grafting on Adriatik; so I can produce Panachee so quickly. Here is my grafting after 2 weeks: Panachee on Adriatik:
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Blue Giant on Adriatik:
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I think it is success... :)
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I think it is one of the best reason: 6 varieties in 1 single plant:
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Genious! looks fantastic.. must be hot there...huh? I love you can see the callosing through the clear tape. Great Job. thanks for sharing. I wonder if it would be ok to do this grafting now while tree is going into dormancy. Any thoughts?
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what do you do to protect the new grafted branch from breaking (wind or heavy fruit load?)
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@ Grasa: If from the beginning used the same size of branch, then the new grafted branch will strong enough and will not break. Yes, In Indonesia just have 2 season, rainy and dry season, and I think fig is so comfort here. :)
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when do you remove the plastic wrapping? Do you tie something else for bracing or support?
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I remove the plastic wrap after 1,5 - 2 months, depend on the progress of grafting. So far, I do not use any support for the grafted branch (but I think it is better to use some support). :)
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Very nice tutorial. I may have to do that one day. Thanks for showing how.
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Cool Pic and Very clear tutorial of grafting technique , Bro Handa . Thanks for sharing . Salam , Zaitun
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I see some of this for as much as $90- the thin knife method worked fine. I guess if you have a fig farm with thousands of trees, or become a professional grafter, this would be a good gift to have
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Man, that final plant looks awesome! Imagine what one of those babies would fetch on E-bay. Imagine a: Maltese Falcon Ronde de Bordeaux Atreano Vista Lebanese Red Sals all on one tree. Something to dream about.
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Slingha, I got that tool for my birthday! Haven't used it yet, but next spring when things are growing crazy, I surely will use it! Suzi
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How about updating this handarius? Looks like an interesting method to me. Is it still going strong?
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I wasn't a member this first time this aired. Very nice. I am really tempted to give it a shot.
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I tried it several years ago on a fig and several mulberry limbs. It is a very easy graft to accomplish, but I did not have good success with it. I'm not planning on doing any more grafting until 2016. I might try it again.
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@ James - It's simplicity is what makes this technique so appealing. I think handy mentions a 90% success rate somewhere in the thread, so it's a real shame you've had such poor results. Looking a bit iffy at the moment, so I'm hoping others might weigh in with their experience if they tried this method, or possibly recommend a more reliable one.
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Costas, I hope others had better luck, as well. I'd like to try it again. I agree it is very simple technique. It can be accomplished with pruning shears instead of a knife. Mostly, I used a razor blade which was equally simple.
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Well, if you do try it again, I wish you better luck next time around. I'm still tempted to try it myself. If it fails, it would still be useful practice.
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Could you share the latest pic of same tree? Whats the latest update?