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I am sick of the polar vortex! I am sick of the fig shuffle! And I am sick of this winter! Can we please have some global warming or spring-like weather? Arghhh.
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Kerosene heater full.
Fuel can full.
Located local gas station with kerosene.

Ready.
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How about a high efficiency wood stove to take the chill out of the air.  Works for me.
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What is this "winter" you speak of? I haven't seen daytime temps below 65 since November. Feel free to bring your figs out here where they can bask in the warm sunlight. (You can mock us later this year when the whole state of California is on fire.)
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Ah Buttercream I dream of Cal...one day I will take all of my figs and load them on a truck and head west. Until then, it's a dog's life out east.
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I am sick of the polar vortex! I am sick of the fig shuffle! And I am sick of this winter! Can we please have some global warming or spring-like weather? Arghhh.


It's January.  You live in New York. 

Snap out of it! ;)
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Can we please have some global warming


Rafaelissimmo, that's what this is and you want more!  Warmer arctic equals weaker vortex equals one that will dip down out of the pole region more often.  Think of a top spinning fast versus one that starts to slow down.  More biochar to grow our figs in and lets see if we can't get our CO2 levels below twice the interglacial average again (interglacial average...i.e. the pre-human norm, is about 195 ppm.  We just hit 400 ppm this year :(  ).
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Can we please have some global warming


Rafaelissimmo, that's what this is and you want more!  Warmer arctic equals weaker vortex equals one that will dip down out of the pole region more often.  Think of a top spinning fast versus one that starts to slow down.  More biochar to grow our figs in and lets see if we can't get our CO2 levels below twice the interglacial average again (interglacial average...i.e. the pre-human norm, is about 195 ppm.  We just hit 400 ppm this year :(  ).


Greg, if warming is causing the jet stream deviation, why is it we had no arctic outbreaks last year with nearly the same CO2 levels? Why is it the arctic outbreaks were quite common from 1978 to 1996, when levels were a little lower? I'm not denying climate change is happening. I just don't see the connection to yearly jet stream pattern fluctuations.
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Gina....

I laughed at your Cher quote, as she slapped poor, Nicky Cage in the puss.  He deserved it, for his acting....the bread dough had more range!

Yep...January in New York, New York...it's a wonderful town. 

Not a good winter, so far, for the NYC fig trees, and it ain't over yet.  Today/tomorrow.....10-18" of snow, with frigid winds.


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I laughed at your Cher quote, as she slapped poor, Nicky Cage in the puss.  He deserved it, for his acting....the bread dough had more range!


That's one of my favorite movies. (Moonstruck) 

I have never understood Nick Cage's 'success'. He can't act, and he's not especially attractive or sexy.


As for the topic, it's unfortunate that something as important as climate change got mixed up with politics. And that it's first 'name' was 'global warming'. It is of course, but a more descriptive term would be 'climate disruption' because the ramifications involve far more than merely warmer temperatures. Paraphrasing Bette Davis in another classic movie - fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy century.
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My understanding was that the cold of the last two years was wrapped up in the low sunspot cycle mostly, but of courss, I am NOT in favor of damaging the planet climactically-it was just a plea for the cold to let up!
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i don't care what they call it. i just want my spring and summer to be nicely hot and sunny.
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Oh no don't talk about the low sunspot cycle.  If this continues I am moving to near the equator. 

The last time sun activity was this low was during Europe's mini-ice age of the 17th century.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806
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Mucho (~12") snow already for me to shovel tomorrow morning...

Edit:
On the good side - snow makes a very good heat-insulator for the coming windy
cold snap for any uncovered fig trees - at least for them roots and stump.
But a lack of it (snow), also cold-kills bad-insects like deer ticks that cause lyme disease. 
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...You live in New York....! ;)


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Greg, if warming is causing the jet stream deviation, why is it we had no arctic outbreaks last year with nearly the same CO2 levels? Why is it the arctic outbreaks were quite common from 1978 to 1996, when levels were a little lower? I'm not denying climate change is happening. I just don't see the connection to yearly jet stream pattern fluctuations.


You're spot on Pawpawbill.  This is weather fluctuations.  Just saying that the models predict we'll be getting more years like this or worse.  Increased risks.  Global weirding.  Having said that, didn't the arctic air dip down the last few years too...just in patterns bringing it to Asia and Europe instead of us?  Was nicer going elsewhere :).  The last two winters for me were the warmest I've ever seen up here in Maine.


Very sorry to get all serious rafaelissimmo, this subject is just my sensitive spot because we seem to be doing so little about this other than studying it. Feels like we're just going to document it all and watch it happen.  But I'm 100% with you...spring please!
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Here it has been both warm and cold.  Nights are colder than normal and days are warmer than normal.  We've had about 35-40 days of frost this year which is much more than normal but many of the afternoons have been t-shirt weather (and I like it warm so I don't wear t-shirts when it's below 70).  Water supply issues are serious here in California.  One good thing about our lack of cloudy weather is that our new solar system has generated much more electricity than it normally would at this time of year.
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IMO;

Leave the academic debates on climate change for the academics instead focus on reducing pollution. 
This would save lives and CO2 emissions would also be reduced resulting in less ozone issues.
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What winter & vortex when retired staying home and figs are fast asleep!
It is just a little bit on the unpleasant side of the winter sometimes to people but make the figs in the garage go into deeper sleep until mid-April.

Ottawa Forecast
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Hi Rafaelissimo,
Still 2 months to go, to get a better weather ... By the way, I trust your words - It's horrible - So be a nice guy ... Keep it ... Don't share it with me :)
To be honest, in year of fig drama -2012-, January was mild, and night temps in February went down to -25°C for a week.
2014, ... - I still haven't seen a little snow layer on the floor- January is a bit mild  , but not as much as in 2012 ... So let's hope ! That February 2014 won't be a figtree killer .
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Today in Fair Lawn NJ
Avg high 37F
Avg low 19F

Actual today
High 19F
Low 3F

Garage with figs plants is at 34F thanks to the kerosene heater
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Time to move to Beverly.......Hills that is 
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Time to move to Beverly.......Hills that is 




Hilarious ..... I watched that when I was a kid.

BTW ... Been to Cali many times and we are happy here in the NYC, NJ, CT area
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Hey Rich I am probably going to have to buy a thermometer for the garage but I think my little electric heater is doing the trick. I cleared snow from
midnite to 1:30 AM last nite so I wouldn't have to do it today. Yuck. :-(
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I'm sitting here in my velvet PJs. Inside temp is 70, downstairs temp is 71. Garage temp is 55. Greenhouse temp is 31, and my shed/outside temp is 18.

Well, I know one thing. It's going to be a early, long and hot summer this year. I should have lots of brebas to eat this year!
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Hey Rich I am probably going to have to buy a thermometer for the garage but I think my little electric heater is doing the trick. I cleared snow from
midnite to 1:30 AM last nite so I wouldn't have to do it today. Yuck. :-(


I hope we don't have these extreme temp next year or too often in the future or I will have to have to hook up something more permanent in the garage like natural gas or oil heat maybe.
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