Cutting the scion to root

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blueboy1977

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Posted 1389926886	Reply with quote #1

When I root my blueberry cuttings I cut a wedge on the bottom of the scion just below a bud to expose more cambium. Has anyone tried this before with figs and if so did you notice more roots than with a straight cut below a node? I just put all my scions from very generous forum members in bags with long fibered peat moss and cut wedges on some and straight on the rest. __________________ Rob Zone 9a/9b were the too meet. South Houston Tx Growing: Black Madeira, Smith, LSU Scott's Black, Improved Celeste, VDB, MBvs, RDB, Unknown Peach/Apricot, Salce, Malta Black, Texas BA-1, JH Adriatic, Atreano, CDDN, CDDB, CDDG, Strawberry Verte

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1389936444	Reply with quote #2

Blueboy1977: Figs root from anywhere on the cutting, not just cut area of cambium. I don't think fig cutting would require nor it would improve the rooting process. Just my opinion ;)

jdsfrance

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Posted 1389950767	Reply with quote #3

I didn't try to do it like that, so it will be interesting to see what comes out, keep us posted :) Here are my believes on that : By cutting wedge you are exposing more internal wood to rot, pests and dehydration. I read some people do wax those wounds to avoid dehydration and pests entry . Figtree cuttings do root in portions of the cutting where all the bark is still there - as long as the bark does not rot - you don't need to take some bark out to help them root. A small test for you and the others : If on one of your trees in the growing season, you put dirt against the trunk ( 10 cubique cm volume amount in a cube shape ) , you will see roots appearing in a matter of one to two months- That is how I airlayer the suckers that I want to move to a new place. __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

GeneDaniels

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Posted 1389965241	Reply with quote #4

Quote: Originally Posted by jdsfrance Here are my believes on that : By cutting wedge you are exposing more internal wood to rot, pests and dehydration. I concur. I would not cut the angles. And the ones already cut I would either recut to straight ends of thoroughly wax the open areas to minimize dehydration which seems to be a major issue with fig cuttings. __________________ Zone 7b (Central Arkansas) Seven trees in the ground: Hardy Chicago, Celeste(?), LSU gold, Italian Black, Southern Brown Turkey(?), Strawberry Verte, and Unk yellow. Trees in pots: VdB, CdD, and Sicilian?

bullet08

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Posted 1389965552	Reply with quote #5

way the cutting is cut on the bottom, it's not going to make much difference as far moisture is concerned. it will go into the soil mix. but it can give more area for the rot to set in or fungus gnat larvae to munch on once rot sets in. but the idea behind giving more area for the root has been used over and over with good results. when doing air layer, many members scrape or score the area where they want the roots to start pushing out. i thought about doing the same to the cuttings, but since rooting is done indoor without much fresh air, i'm more concerned about rot and possible attraction to the fungus gnats. and figs usually root without much issue. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

trif1010

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Posted 1389965954	Reply with quote #6

I find that my cuttings root the same no matter what angle they are cut at. I put them straight to cups with moist coco coir and place the cups in a plastic bin set on a heat mat. Works every time. __________________ Scot Saratoga Springs, NY Zone 5

pino

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Posted 1389965983	Reply with quote #7

Those cuts look too big to me and could increase the risk of getting disease and dehydration to the fig. Having said that there a number of people that have suggested to me (including many old timers) that a little scaring of the bottom end maybe just a couple of slits with a razor would increase chance of rooting in that area. I had some cuttings that didn't root after 2months, so in desperation I tried that. Barely cutting little of the bark at the bottom of the cutting just to reach the cambium layer and for what its worth they then rooted in after 3 more weeks. Who knows. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

ascpete

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Posted 1389966582	Reply with quote #8

Blueboy1977, In addition to increasing chances of rot at the bottom of the cutting, It also exposes the Pith which will die back to the closest node above. The bark and outer layer would be the only support for the roots if any develop below the lowest "sealed" node.

cis4elk

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Posted 1389978678	Reply with quote #9

But please do let us know how it works out with a follow up post on this thread. This forum is all about sharing information, tragedy and success. __________________ Calvin Littleton,CO z5/6 Wants List: For everyone to clean-up after themselves and co-exist peacefully. Let's think more about the future of our planet and less about ourselves. :)

blueboy1977

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Posted 1389995423	Reply with quote #10

Thanks for all the replies. I will go back and put straight cuts on the ones I only have a few of. I do have a bunch of unknown Peach flavored cuttings from a neighbor though and have two bags of cuttings rooting. One bag has the angled cuts and the other straight cuts. I will let those play out and see what happens. I put all my cuttings in ziplock bags with long fibered peatmoss. Time will tell! __________________ Rob Zone 9a/9b were the too meet. South Houston Tx Growing: Black Madeira, Smith, LSU Scott's Black, Improved Celeste, VDB, MBvs, RDB, Unknown Peach/Apricot, Salce, Malta Black, Texas BA-1, JH Adriatic, Atreano, CDDN, CDDB, CDDG, Strawberry Verte

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390058259	Reply with quote #11

I actually dip cut ends and the tips in paraffin in order to prevent any contact with diseases and moisture, cutting stay healthy. The roots and the new growth will penetrate the paraffin easily.

blueboy1977

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Posted 1391701723	Reply with quote #12

Just a follow up to my origional post. Yesterday I placed 8 cuttings in cups and of those 8, 5 had the wedge cuts. From what I saw yesterday they seemed to root better and faster than the straight cuts. I wish I would have stopped and took pics to show you guys. I did make my wedge cuts as close to the bottom node as I could. Some were dipped in clonex and some not. I did notice the clonex dipped cuttings had much stronger roots and had no problem removing the moss from them. I still have a bunch of cuttings that havent pushed roots as well, some wedge cuts and some straight cuts. So far I havent seen any indication that a wedge cut close to a node has any negetive effects. If anything they seem to have rooted faster. Still plenty more cuttings to go! __________________ Rob Zone 9a/9b were the too meet. South Houston Tx Growing: Black Madeira, Smith, LSU Scott's Black, Improved Celeste, VDB, MBvs, RDB, Unknown Peach/Apricot, Salce, Malta Black, Texas BA-1, JH Adriatic, Atreano, CDDN, CDDB, CDDG, Strawberry Verte

greg88

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Posted 1391704347	Reply with quote #13

thanks for the update __________________ Greg North West Arkanasas Zone 6b Wish list: any SPECTACULAR cold hardy figs, and/or perhaps a Niagra Bl., Laradek EBT, Kathleen's Bl, Hunt, a great UNK or anything anyone wants me to have???

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