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Does anyone in the UK have Black Ischia cuttings for sale or exchange?
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The only place in the UK I've seen Black Ischia listed is Bernwode Fruit but I have no idea how genuine it is as don't have it myself
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OK, thank you for that. I'll keep searching lol.
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Black Ishia is a slow grower and very hard to root. I rooted 6 varieties and 5 rooted and put out leaves. BI just sits there laughing at me. You might consider something that is a little more naturally vigorous. There are plenty of excellent dark figs that might be easier to grow. Also I believe, correct me if I am wrong, but BI is supposed to be best in a hot dry climate. Sorry I don't know where to find BI in the UK, just want to let you know there are others that might be more suitable for you.
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OK, in that case I may as well look for another. Any suggestions?
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OK, in that case I may as well look for another. Any suggestions?

There are many fake ischia blacks floating around I know first hand. Make sure the tree originated from UC Davis if you want the real deal.Just fyi

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Thanks but I'm skipping this one and looking for another.
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I have both UC davis (USDA) from figaholics and the European strain from Thierry and Baud . I will have the European version available this fall but not so sure about the USDA one since it grow like at the pace of a slug lol. 


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I would not give up on Ischia Black so quick. "Good things come to those who wait."

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As is my habit I have changed my mind and I will try to get the Ischia black; I love a challenge. Friends in Malaysia, Tahiti, Hawaii, Taiwan etc say it's easy to grow orchids - well if you have their climate it would be easy but where's the challenge in that? Try growing New Zealand daisies in their climates - now THAT'S a challenge!
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However, not at this price....
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В России, NBS, Ялта инжир, черный Ischia был доставлен в 30-х годах прошлого века из США среди многих других сортов. Помните об этом и знать. В Соединенных Штатах давно потеряли, например, сорт «Randino.» И в России, Украине, она сохраняется и выращивают многие садоводы.
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В России, NBS, Ялта инжир, черный Ischia был доставлен в 30-х годах прошлого века из США среди многих других сортов. Помните об этом и знать. В Соединенных Штатах давно потеряли, например, сорт «Randino.» И в России, Украине, она сохраняется и выращивают многие садоводы.

Google translate? "In Russia, NBS, Yalta figs, black Ischia was brought in the 30s of last century from the USA among many other varieties. Remember this and know. In the United States long ago, for example, the variety "Randino." And in Russia, Ukraine, it is preserved and grown by many gardeners."

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However, not at this price....
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This fig alone and its expense has convinced me I don't need to own all the best figs. I can be happy with the wonderful figs I have already. 

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Me, too. I'll let someone else buy this one and if someone wants to exchange this cutting for one of mine, that will be fine also.
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I offered some nice cuttings not to long ago. At more than reasonable prices. They went like hotcakes. In a matter of minutes.. 

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ischia-black-the-real-deal-8338942?pid=1294206786

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There are many fake ischia blacks floating around I know first hand. Make sure the tree originated from UC Davis if you want the real deal.Just fyi



Hi,several months ago I purchased black ischia
cuttings on eBay.This is a picture of the cutting
that was grafted.What do you think?
Thanks,Geno

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I offered some nice cuttings not to long ago. At more than reasonable prices. They went like hotcakes. In a matter of minutes.. 

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ischia-black-the-real-deal-8338942?pid=1294206786


I remember that and missed out.If you have any
available this fall ,I would love to purchase a couple.
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The only few good sources that I know for Black Ischia USDA are Harvey, Tom, GardenCrochet, Brian. There are many other people who got it but I know for sure that the above members got the real deal.
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Hi,several months ago I purchased black ischia
cuttings on eBay.This is a picture of the cutting
that was grafted.What do you think?
Thanks,Geno

Unless those leaves change dramatically those are 100% fake

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Unless those leaves change dramatically those are 100% fake

Thank you,I just wanted someone to confirm
my suspicion.Any more fig pros that would chime
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I offered some nice cuttings not to long ago. At more than reasonable prices. They went like hotcakes. In a matter of minutes.. 

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ischia-black-the-real-deal-8338942?pid=1294206786


Sadly, I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic.

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KKK2210 . http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1287862203&postcount=19&forum=0
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Dear Vladis , thank you for the link and I know you got a beautiful Black Ischia. The matter discussed here is about the infamous FMV infected Black Ischia USDA and the only source to that particular strain is USDA. There must be a healthier version somewhere but in a funny way without the FMV and the slow growth and the trouble rooting it, it does not represent the USDA strain. There are many nurseries in Europe that sells the original Black Ischia eg: https://figuesdumonde.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/ischia/ ( i have this one also) and Baud nurseries. They could all be similar or the same fig but again the point is to get the Black ischia originally sourced from USCD which is terribly infected by FMV lol. 
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Here is some leaf photos of UC Davis strain.

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I agree with Brian. Those leaves don't look like the Ischia Black UCD leaves at all.... There an't too many folks that sell on eBay and also sell IB that I would trust. Those mentioned already by Vinny are 100% trusted. Herman was also selling IB last year and I think he is also legit (and his cuttings sold for between $60 and $100 apiece). There are a few others that offer them rarely but they are also good. There are many forum members that have the real deal but that don't offer them for sale but will consider trades and there are also very generous members that gift them outright or offer them at gift prices such as Karla's incredible offer. There are a few varieties that have cachet and are reputed to be awesome tasting as well, I think Ischia Black is one of those handful+   MHF varieties.
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I agree with Brian. Those leaves don't look like the Ischia Black UCD leaves at all.... There an't too many folks that sell on eBay and also sell IB that I would trust. Those mentioned already by Vinny are 100% trusted. Herman was also selling IB last year and I think he is also legit (and his cuttings sold for between $60 and $100 apiece). There are a few others that offer them rarely but they are also good. There are many forum members that have the real deal but that don't offer them for sale but will consider trades and there are also very generous members that gift them outright or offer them at gift prices such as Karla's incredible offer. There are a few varieties that have cachet and are reputed to be awesome tasting as well, I think Ischia Black is one of those handful+   MHF varieties.


Thanks for the input.This was only cutting purchase
I made this year that didn't feel quite right. I guess
you live and learn.Maybe it'll turn out to be a decent
fig and you all can help me identify it.
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https://garden.org/learn/articles/view/220/
Go down to 'Nero' and read the description of synonyms:

Alternate names: 'Barnisotte', 'Brogiotto Nero', 'Ischia Black', 'Scavello'.
Skin and flesh colors: Purple; strawberry
Where it grows: Grows well in most regions. More tolerant of cold than most fig varieties so recommended for marginal fig regions.
Description: This variety produces abundant crops of large figs at a young age.

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BROGIOTTO NERO
SYN: VIOLET DE SOLLIES, NERO
DESCRIPTION
[Translated] Large violet-black autumn fruits of dark-blue color, very good quality, but only in August ripely. Important sort for Gewerbsanbau in France and Italy, is however dependent with us on pot or winter garden culture, because the fruits in the garden mature too late. (066)

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I purchased ischia black from Jon for 5 bucks this season. There is no need to spend a ton on them...
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Hi Kelo,I would not take all the synonym links seriously as they are not authoritative or independent,it may just be that someone had a Nero or Brogiotto Nero etc labelled as Ischia Black.Im sure if you click through enough synonym links from any black fig you will end up eventually at a white fig.

Brogiotto Nero is definitely a stand alone variety not Ischia Black from what I've seen,but Violette de Sollies may be synonymous with Brogiotto Nero according to some ,Barnisotte(Noire) is just Brogiotto French(?) ,Nero is just Italian for any black fig.

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Livetaswim,that was a bargain!,you should have bought the whole lot
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Hi Kelo,I would not take all the synonym links seriously as they are not authoritative or independent,it may just be that someone had a Nero or Brogiotto Nero etc labelled as Ischia Black.Im sure if you click through enough synonym links from any black fig you will end up eventually at a white fig. Brogiotto Nero is definitely a stand alone variety not Ischia Black from what I've seen,but Violette de Sollies may be synonymous with Brogiotto Nero according to some ,Barnisotte(Noire) is just Brogiotto French(?) ,Nero is just Italian for any black fig.
  Ok, thank you. This fig naming is quite a minefield lol.

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Livetaswim,that was a bargain!,you should have bought the whole lot


Haha I bought all 2 that were being sold. One was traded away for figo preto and the other is leafing out happily. I think Jon purposefully labels his cuttings with alternate names so as to be able to offer cuttings at a lower price. His were labelled blue ischia which is the same as black according to his own site, this one. 

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Kelo,it definately is a mess,I do wonder if the USDA strain and the European one are the same,the Ischia figs are somewhat of an enigma.I do hope you manage to find a Black Ischia, which one is THE Black Ischia remains open to debate,probably the biggest and most contentious one ,always fun to watch though

Livetaswim you guys in the US are blessed to have guys like Jon,and many others,our sources over here are somewhat more limited


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Was this your purchase? or did you buy from Jon off ebay? 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/A10-1692-Blue-Ischia-Fig-Tree-Cuttings-/262881398976?hash=item3d34f3d0c0:g:PSoAAOSw4A5Ypm1~

That's not USDA UC DAVIS Ischia Black.
Jon also sells another fig  listed as Black Ischia "AD" that is not USDA UC DAVIS Ischia Black

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I'm sorry to add more confusion but the one Jon sold as black Ischia is not the USDA strain . From what I know Jons black Ischia is called Black Ischia AD!. I know for a fact that some folks have been waiting nearly 4 years to get hold of the USDA strain. There is a reason why it's expensive, one being it's extremely difficult to propagate. Some members sold and later refunded the money further to finding out it's not the real deal. There is no alternative for the usda one and the key is to get the right one from the right person and not further investigating to figure out whether it's similar to some Fig X or not. Please watch Toms videos and you'll know why folks are mad about this one.
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Haha I bought all 2 that were being sold. One was traded away for figo preto and the other is leafing out happily. I think Jon purposefully labels his cuttings with alternate names so as to be able to offer cuttings at a lower price. His were labelled blue ischia which is the same as black according to his own site, this one. 

Sorry they are not the same. Blue Ischia turned out to be yellow if I remember correctly. Do a search on the topic.

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Is the non-UC Davis strain significantly different?
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The UC Davis strain is heavily effected with FMV. It is probably going to be best grown on a healthy rootstock. It is extremely rare to find partly due to slow growth and rooting difficulty. There are phonies littered with different names that have originally been passed around as the real deal. It took me three times to get the real one. The others floating around are similar but more like VDB imo. If you are collecting figs the real deal Ischia Black is definitely one to add to the collection.
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Brian, in that case this might not be a phony. According to multiple sources they are one and the same. I wasn't able to find anyone who had grown Blue Ischia next to UC Davis Black Ischia. Do you know anyone who has both for comparison? I am not a collector, just an eater, but interesting in the history of them. If you have the real UC Black Ischia, I would send you a cutting of the Blue I have to compare growth and fruit in the same location. 
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Blue Ischia and Ischia Black are not supposed to be the same in spite of intense wishful thinking. Similarly Black Provence which was once being discussed as being the same as or not the same as Ischia Black, are not the same variety either.... You can get Black provence fairly cheaply too. The danger here is that someone thinking that they have the real Ischia Black further distributes that mis-named variety as the real thing and  confusion and mis-labeling become the order of the day.... Real Ischia Blacks are sometimes distributed by generous members for less than market but they know it and they will tell you what it is that they are giving you...  You can also get amazing prices for Ischia Black cuttings from dausername1 and others on ebay; good luck with those... I doubt that Jon purposely sold you those cuttings while attempting to mislead you that they are the UCD variety; your best bet if you want to make sure is ask jon and I am sure you will get an answer...
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The danger here is that someone thinking that they have the real Ischia Black further distributes that mis-named variety as the real thing and  confusion and mis-labeling become the order of the day.... Real Ischia Blacks are sometimes distributed by generous members for less than market but they know it and they will tell you what it is that they are giving you...  You can also get amazing prices for Ischia Black cuttings from dausername1 and others on ebay; good luck with those... I doubt that Jon purposely sold you those cuttings while attempting to mislead you that they are the UCD variety; your best bet if you want to make sure is ask jon and I am sure you will get an answer...


Totally agree with that statement Tony. Sadly many wrong varieties are being distributed unintentionally. If I recall correctly few years back the Blue Ischia was sold on eBay as TC's. I can't remember the name of the seller.

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I had a package arrive today from Portugal (Portugal was in bold type so thought nothing of it and threw away the bag). On the plastic bag there was BM; I was expecting Black Mission because I stupidly forgot I had some already - 5 grade A painkillers are crap for the memory. The cuttings were being rehydrated and I remembered I had ordered Black Madeira.....the light bulb eventually went on in my brain and I checked the tracking code. Turns out the Black Missions labels I had written were for Black Madeiras; this doesn't help the madness, does it but it does show how things are easily and genuinely confused. I'd also, personally, like to kick the asses of the people knowingly selling fake Ischias...
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Please watch Toms videos and you'll know why folks are mad about this one.


Where can we find toms videos?

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New England Gardening on YouTube

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Totally agree with that statement Tony. Sadly many wrong varieties are being distributed unintentionally. If I recall correctly few years back the Blue Ischia was sold on eBay as TC's. I can't remember the name of the seller.


I would not expect to question Jon's labeling. If we start questioning the owner of a fig forum, where does it end?

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Ah, thank you.

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http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ischia-black-the-real-deal-8338942?pid=1294206786


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I would not expect to question Jon's labeling. If we start questioning the owner of a fig forum, where does it end?

Hello sorry for not putting the words correctely. The seller I mentioned is not Jon. Jons black ischia AD is a beautiful Fig.

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How is Jon's Black/Blue Ischia AD different from the UC Davis strain? I have yet to see someone compare the two directly in the same location. The only thing I have heard about the UC strain is that it is heavily infected with FMV. Is the taste significantly superior to the AD or in any way different? From what I am reading it seems that nobody has compared the taste or growth. I have not yet seen the video referenced above.

EDIT: From searching in the forums, I found Harvey discussing the differences between IB from Encanto and IB from UCD and they were essentially the same to him. I would be interested in other inputs.

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