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RichinNJ

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As my collection grows over the next few years and I sell from our home, grown potted plants should I be concerned about theft?

Some of the plants that those old guys out on Long Island had were for sale for $800+ dollars and even smaller plants are worth $20-$50 depending on varity.

My concern is mainly about people coming back when I'm not home. Fair Lawn is safe. We pay allot of taxes and the police are everywhere around here it's seems.

My father had someone break into his greenhouse in Michigan and steal many of the best orchids he had at that time.

Am I crazy? Should I even be concerned about this?


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not crazy. i heard things like that happening before.
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You could always get a big dog, but he might damage your trees.  Theft is always something to worry about.  No matter what is precious to you, there is always someone else wanting YOUR stuff!

You can have security loaded into your smart phone so you will get a text if something isn't right.  $$$!

We have a couple gates.  Our whole neighborhood each gave $2500 and we raised $56,000 to put gates at the top and bottom of this hill, plus get the road paved.  On top of that, both our driveways are gated, and we have motion sensors.  They drive me nuts because anything can trigger them.  A random bobcat will trigger the thing.  Sigh.

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We have had newly-planted landscape shrubs and trees stolen right out of the ground.  Many see your hard-earned possesions as a free shopping mall.  Some hurt more than others, and our figs are our kids. 

Surveillence cameras are getting cheaper, and many are wifi if you already have a wireless setup at your home.  Others are stand-alone and can just be plugged in and set up overlooking the area of concern.  You can make it as complicated as you wish, but it needn't be.

Your concern is not paranoia, or at least not unjustified paranoia.
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if you have a good police force, having camera and having suspects pix helps. in some area, police won't do anything about it.. even with pix and finger prints. 
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***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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if you have a good police force, having camera and having suspects pix helps. in some area, police won't do anything about it.. even with pix and finger prints. 


A perp. would have to be incredibly stupid to be felonious in or around NYC (Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens) because of all of the cameras.

We watch NBC NYC nearly everyday. So many crimes are solved in a day or two when they put the videos from the incident on TV or post pics on light poles.
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I had $200.00 worth of trees stolen from my front porch while they were still boxed up. I kick myself that I didn't bring the box in immediately when it had been delivered. You are not crazy or paranoid.
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Have you considered selling at farmers' markets?  Or if you're selling off Craigslist, you can have people meet you at a public location close to your house. It is a PITA, but it will provide some peace of mind.
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I'd maybe put a small camera facing towdards the street near your home, or wherever you think someone would park, that way you could hopefully get a license plate,
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Actually I've considered bringing them to

http://patersonfarmersmarket.com/find-us.php

There are a lot of small NJ farmers bringing their crops there to sell.
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5 of my oldest (40+ heal old) Bonsais were stoles last year, Police wrote to me with apology saying their estimates were around 35,000 dollars. They never found out who the thief was. I provided them with pictures when they were happy at my garden. All they could do is file them and see when and where they can be seen again, if EVER. My guess was it was from neighborhood gardeners who had buyers already, it it must've been a quick transaction. 
So, I don't blame you for raising some concerns about the safety of your older or even younger fig plants...just be prepared. I'd put security cameras starting the driveways, parking area and towards the plants so you can see who parked with what vehicle and where they went and come from back to their cars.
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I thought about this a long time ago, I work in a gun store and have plenty of floor models :).  The guns and my girlfriend's pit bull plus the trail camera's are really all I need. It's a shame that we have to think this way but it's reality these days.
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I agree farmers market and meeting people somewhere else are the way to go. We live in a pretty safe place but I still wouldn't let strange people come to our home. The way things are nowdays you may be putting your family at risk. They don't always wait for you to leave.
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Over the years I've had plant related things stolen from the yard... an orange tree was striped of all fruits, someone came into the garden one year and harvested all my winter squashes, and I've had bags of new planter mix taken.

I know of other garden thefts that have happened over the years to others as well, including ornamental pots with plants right on the front steps taken, entire trees of avocados striped/stolen, and newly planted landscape plants in my parents yard just ripped out and taken over night.

If it's easy to carry, you run a risk.
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Posted Reply with quote  #15 
Put some gps tracking chips randomly in pots, if they are stolen u can catch the creeps!
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I had forgotten I had numerous squash stolen also. I had isolated and hand pollinated them so I could share the seeds. From then on I decided that I would scratch their variety name on them so they wouldn't appeal to someone for a decoration.
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oh... milehighgirl remind me of this guy who had $1,000 bike. he used to have his bike stolen all the time, but no one took his ugly old one. so he had his new bike painted really ugly. never gotten that one stolen.
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Pete, this may have been his motivation... SNL did a luxury car commercial spoof in 1993 for the Chameleon XLE.  I couldn't find it on youtube, but here is a link to it somewhere else:

 

http://www.break.com/video/ugc/chamelion-xle-383947
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all sorts to fill up the freeways, check this one
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We planned last year to put up a chain link fence at the end of March.
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A friend kept a potted palm on her front steps. One day last summer when she came home from shopping there was an empty spot on the steps where her tree was.
People will steal anything if it's not bolted down, even bolts won't stop a person if they want it bad enough.
Go to flea markets and farmers markets.
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I had no idea plant theft was such a problem.  Damn shame.
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Twice; I knew I had a fig that I tried to hunt down.
After 1-3 futile searches, I started to think about
some guy with a 'black-ninga' suit visit.

In the end, I did find both figs in a remote backyard spot... 
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It's a big problem in a lot of places.  Garden Web has tons of threads on the subject.  People taking fruit from their trees, people taking potted plants, and then it goes to have you ever stolen a cutting or taken something lying on the floor at HD?  Robbed the trash?  One man's trash is another man's treasure, IMHO, BUT stealing a potted plant is pure and simple theft!

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Hi,
simply keep your plants in big enough pots ... easy trick ...
At my garden, around I have rose plants with thorns 10 per centimeter and some thick ones - they are rare the ones that dare cross the fence.
For now only one did - I saw later the foot prints at the fence -, but he didn't get back - perhaps he lost his new pants to one of my rose plant ... A scratch at your pants is never cool .
The thing is then not to attract to much the sight of the others. I always tell my kid to shut up - kids, have the tendency to scream "hey dad look there, there is a ..."
I have peach trees, holly and rose plant at sight from the fence, and all my figtrees are hidden behind on the other side.
Sometimes peace is just a matter of good planning.
As well, I never let ripe fruits (peach, plums, cherries ...) hang on the trees for long,
and last but not the least, I have 3 ways to get to my garden and I make sure to use another one almost each time.
Perhaps, I need to buy a ninja suit as well :) - but to be honest not for now for my great surprise ...
Some get the tomatoes, and onions stolen !
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I have 2 dogs so if anyone tries to steal my fig tree they are in big trouble. I don't see the reason of stealing any types of plant. I have never has anything stolen from my yard thankfully
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A cousin of the missus back in Cyprus (in Limassol) caught a thief in the act helping himself to assorted potted cuttings. When challenged, he was utterly shameless and unapologetic. His only excuse was 'well, you've got enough of them, haven't you?' Unbelievable. I wonder if he would accept that as grounds for theft from his own house?
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I was out of town a couple of years ago dealing with my Mom's things after she passed and I had a small garden at home and had manged to grow a very nice watermelon...called home to see how the hubby was doing with the kids to find out someone had stolen it... people are crazy..
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Hey Rich I know its probably not the easiest thing to do but if the trees are a reasonable  size why not meet at a train station or walmart parking lot or something like that I meet up all the time when buying and selling things off craigslist. 
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Never any missing from yard here thankfully.
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Hey Rich I know its probably not the easiest thing to do but if the trees are a reasonable  size why not meet at a train station or walmart parking lot or something like that I meet up all the time when buying and selling things off craigslist. 


Do people sell 5 gallon potted trees on ebay? What's the market like?

My trees are growing in perlite (soiless) before I transplant them to 5 gallon pots so I wonder if that would allow me to ship them to California and other places with restrictions?
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Hey
Where I was in NJ we used a lot of high tech surveillance equipment which was surprisingly easy to set up and use.  We had more issues with equipment theft than plants.  One item would email and phone you if someone came on the property.  The stuff seem to be affordable too.  We also had a few hunters which were always coming on the property to set up camera to track game.  Doesn't hurt for a would be thief to see a bunch of guys toting guns.
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Rich,

I'm moving the cuttings i'm keeping to 3 gallon containers. The extras I do not plan to keep past the end of the year go in 1 gallon... I'm also contemplating >1 gallon grow bags to make distribution easier/cheaper.
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Rich if you use Ebay you do local pickup only in shipping and item description and craigslist is cash and carry.
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July 18 2009, my wife was at work with our only car. Kids at my moms house. I was inside my home reading when I heard a noise on the front porch. I got up to look out the door to meet a man who thought nobody was home getting ready to kick in the front door. He looked really shocked that I was there like he wasn't expecting it. The man had a little pea shooter, a 25 or 22 cal hand gun that he fierd just once. The bullet hit me in the right upper chest. The round tumbled farther right breaking my shoulder socket and leaving fragments in my chest arm and shoulder. I live in a very small town in the country. Lazy stupid peaple will always try to take what they are unwilling to work for. I made it through combat fight as an army ranger in south america to get shot in my own home during peacetime. Somthing that will never happen again. Always have a way to defend yourself. And if attacked, attack back with intent to kill. Anything less and you become a statistic.
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July 18 2009, my wife was at work with our only car. Kids at my moms house. I was inside my home reading when I heard a noise on the front porch. I got up to look out the door to meet a man who thought nobody was home getting ready to kick in the front door. He looked really shocked that I was there like he wasn't expecting it. The man had a little pea shooter, a 25 or 22 cal hand gun that he fierd just once. The bullet hit me in the right upper chest. The round tumbled farther right breaking my shoulder socket and leaving fragments in my chest arm and shoulder. I live in a very small town in the country. Lazy stupid peaple will always try to take what they are unwilling to work for. I made it through combat fight as an army ranger in south america to get shot in my own home during peacetime. Somthing that will never happen again. Always have a way to defend yourself. And if attacked, attack back with intent to kill. Anything less and you become a statistic.


Some people with a NJ Firearms Identification Card are never more than a few feet from a legally purchased 12 ga pump loaded with 00 buck shot any where in their home.
Just say'n...
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That will do. But a shottie or rifle are a little long to bring up quick. A good knife on the other hand. But then again that's only good if your close enough.
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Knife only boar hunting... Just say'n

http://www.theboarsden.com

Sharp stick boar hunting is a real mans sport..

http://www.huntwildpig.com/state-specifics/iowa/

However we digress...
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So I was thinking that I will keep my boutique French varities in 15-20 gallon pots and the local NJ varities in ground. That will reduce the chance of opportunistic theft. I have not heard back from the Paterson Farmers Market yet. That might be a way to sell off a few trees that are more common and for the higher end varities I can try ebay or mail order from a web site.
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A nice sword will extend your reach if it comes that close
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Swords are nice but i prefer not to get that close........lol
Here they meet a 12g semi automatic which can spread a pattern as wide as front door or tight as a fist with a simple twist
of its accu choke.

In yard they meet Louisville slugger .
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got a 12g double barrel too but as an ex fencer I just like swords too
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And if attacked, attack back with intent to kill. Anything less and you become a statistic.                 

*Wrong choice of words: "Intent to kill". Can get you in big trouble.
Your answer should be: "Intent to stop".
You want stopping power. Doesn't matter if you emptied out the magazine on him. Your intent was to stop.


Rich,
I don't know how close or far apart the potted trees are but perhaps chaining three or four at a time might be a deterrent?
More like how prisoners are chained to the ankles together.

I'm talking about the heavy duty ones. With locks of course.
Thought I'd throw that there.
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Never really thought about someone stealing my Figs? You would think there would be easier things to steal...Really, I am not worried about it...
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Frank,

The theft of fig trees is all too real. Or any other plants material for that matter.

I myself have lost a fig and don't know where or how it went out of my backyard.
Nelson (f4f member) has had some trees from his Toronto area home stolen.

This is beyond low.
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Rafed,
In Texas we have the right to defend ourselves and our property. Stop or Kill isn't worried about much. If the buggers want to live they need to stay out of other peoples property!
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I had to get a dog.  But I really need to get a fence!   A few years back I was working from home.  As I was washing the dishes, I heard voices in the back yard.  I peaked out the window and down the hill were 2 men walking towards my property.  Then they came to my back porch, stopped talking and starting tampering with the wires on the back of my house.  I ran to my bed room and got my shotgun fully loaded.  Ran back to the kitchen and came out with my gun raised.  They did not see me.  

I jump out on the deck, cocked the gun and said "Freeze or I will plaster your brains all over my brick wall". 

They dropped thier tool and said, "Wait...we work for AT&T and wanted to check and see your cable line". 

I said, "I don't care if you're Pope Francis and came to bless my house, He's not Jesus or God and neither are you two!  You guys did not ask me if you could step on my property or touch my house".  "No more talk!...I'm gonna count to 3 and if you boys aren't walking back up that hill by the time I get to 3, I'm gonna pump your ignorant behinds with lead! 

They said, "sorry Sir, but we really are from AT&T and..."

then I said, One".  And they walked swiftly back up the hill jumped in their truck and took off.

The next day, I reported what happened to the police.

Today, I have a dog but he's just an alarm dog.  A house dog.  He warns me whenever something or someone is outside or near the house.  He also watches my facial expression.   If I say certain words, he will go ballistic looking for intruders.  All I have to say is "who is it?" or "where is he at?"   Then the hunt is on!   If I say, "go get him?"  He will start growling and barking crazy looking for the bad guy!  The funny thing is this dog is a Maltipoo!  His growl is worse than his bite!  We already got a warning from the Post Office about the dog jumping up on the mail lady one day.  But that day all he did was run around her.  But to some people a dog's bark is enough to scare them or keep them away.  And for now, he will have to do.  But I really want a Cattle dog or Doberman.  I'm trying to talk my wife into it but for now she says no.  WIth a cattle dog, I can train it to patrol my figs at night and keep the coons away.    But I really would feel better if I had a fence up.
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5 of my oldest (40+ heal old) Bonsais were stoles last year, Police wrote to me with apology saying their estimates were around 35,000 dollars. They never found out who the thief was. I provided them with pictures when they were happy at my garden. All they could do is file them and see when and where they can be seen again, if EVER. My guess was it was from neighborhood gardeners who had buyers already, it it must've been a quick transaction. 
So, I don't blame you for raising some concerns about the safety of your older or even younger fig plants...just be prepared. I'd put security cameras starting the driveways, parking area and towards the plants so you can see who parked with what vehicle and where they went and come from back to their cars.


Aaron, just curious, since your plants were special and worth so much, and were "stolen property", is it possible that home owner's insurance would cover some of your loss?
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Did you ever see the fireworks that explode when you simply pull the strings on each side of a firecracker?
Attach one string to the plant (or pot) and the other to a base. When the plant is lifted an inch, a small explosion goes off. This startles the thief and awakens the homeowner.
Another point: Showing off and bragging about what you have can get you robbed! Meet people away from your garden when you sell stuff. And...
Spray paint a section of the plant so you can ID it when recovered to prove it's yours. Plus:
Bury your name & phone # in the soil. To conclude: DO NOT shoot anyone over plants; not worth it.
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