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Posted 1368796511	Reply with quote #1

don't have many.. but it's starting. all the pix that franscico has posted in the forum is getting me very interested in them. so far.. Figo Preto Moscatel Preto Black Madeira what others are floating around in US? __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1368797048	Reply with quote #2

Nelson had posted the portuguese types a few years back, here's a copy: Algarve - Common fig- Black Bacorinho, Common Fig - Green with Violet Tint Badalhouce - Common Fig - Bêbera - Smyrna Type ? - Black Bêbera Branca- Common Fig- Pink Belmandil - Smyrna Type Branca do Douro - Common Fig - White Brinco - Common Type - Burjassote branca - Common Type - White Burjassote preta - Common Type - Black Cachopo, Carvalhal, Carigo, Common Type - Castanhal- Common Type- Cótia, Cótio - Common Type - White Da ponte - Common Type - White Dois à folha - Common Type - Dois ao Prato - Common Fig - Black Douro Encharia branca - Smyrna Type - White Encharia preta - Smyrna Type - Black Lampeira Lampa branca, Lampa preta- San Pedro- Violet with green tint towards the neck. Lanjal Lopinho - Common Type - Maia - San Pedro - Green Marques Loureiro - Common Fig - White Milheira - Common Type - Moscatel Branco - Common Fig - White Moscatel Preto Olho De Perdiz - Common Fig- Purple With Bright Red Eye Orjal, Palmares - Common Type - white Paraíso - Common Type Paraíso-Branco - Common Type - White Pardo - Common Type - Brown Passanudo- Common Type - Pedral - Common Type - Pingo De Mel - Common Type - White Preto- Common Type- Black Preto De Torres Novas - Common Type - Black - Used for drying Princesa - Common Type - White Rebanguio - Common Type Real Rei- Common Type-Dark Rei Branco - Common Type -White Reis Restevo - Common Type Sao João Branco Sao Luiz, Sogenha - Common Fig - Black Três em prato ( Syns.Três ao Prato- Três um Prato) - Smyrna type Verdeal - Common Type - Urjal (syns. Capa Rôta, Branco) Common Type- Green *Varieties From Madeira Island* Bacorinhos *Bêbera - syn. Abebereira* *Bêbera Branca* *Burro* *Branco -Branca* *Castanhal* *Cótio* *Doce* *Genovês* *Martinho* *Mulato* *Preto* *Rei Branco* *Varieties From the Azores Islands* need to do more research *Capelas* *Figo Flores* __________________ Zone 7 Celeste, White Marseilles, Beer's Black, Green Greek, White Italy one unknown, Chicago hardy, White Naples, Portuguese Black, Italian Honey.Black Bethleham, Sal's C, Several unknowns. Looking for dark sweet types from Azores and southern Spain (figs, not women), 2014 goal is to acquire Kathleen Black

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are they all in US? i know nelson is in canada... __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1368797837	Reply with quote #4

I doubt it, just like the Italian figs, there are many in the neighborhoods all over where I grew up in eastern MA, but inknown/unlabeled. Many collectors here on the forum have Portuguese dark, Capelas, Madeira types, and the ones you have. Each year when I go home I usually get a cutting or two from older men that know my uncles and cousins. But as I said, no clue what they are until they mature. __________________ Zone 7 Celeste, White Marseilles, Beer's Black, Green Greek, White Italy one unknown, Chicago hardy, White Naples, Portuguese Black, Italian Honey.Black Bethleham, Sal's C, Several unknowns. Looking for dark sweet types from Azores and southern Spain (figs, not women), 2014 goal is to acquire Kathleen Black

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Posted 1368798070	Reply with quote #5

Bass has one available on Trees of Joy now Very productive, sweet, and adaptable to the cold climate. We collected this fig from a Portuguese immigrant who brought the tree from Portugal. This fig has been grown in Bethlehem, PA since early 1900's. Excellent tasting fig. Fruit size is medium to large. The tree will also produce a light breba crop that is excellent tasting also. __________________ Greg North West Arkanasas Zone 6b Wish list: any SPECTACULAR cold hardy figs, and/or perhaps a Niagra Bl., Laradek EBT, Kathleen's Bl, Hunt, a great UNK or anything anyone wants me to have???

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Posted 1368821002	Reply with quote #6

I have Abebereira, Bêbera Branca, Doce, Preto, Capela, Lampiera, Pingo de Mel, Encharia preta (smyrna), and many unknowns labeled as Black Portugal, Yellow Portuguese #1 and #2, Black Portuguese, and Chris's unk Portuguese. __________________ Sue Zone 9B, 1946' Ramona, CA San Diego County

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Posted 1368823573	Reply with quote #7

sue, we have to talk... __________________ Zone 7 Brooklyn,NY. Fig Wish List 2014: I-258 Genovese Nero, Violet Dauphine , Noir De Caromb, ROUGE DE BORDEAUX , BARNISOTTE, BARNISOTTE GRIS, Anything Lebanese ( I mean Fruit Plants...That I do Not Have...)

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Posted 1368829584	Reply with quote #8

Hi Pete Thanks for mentioning those figs . Unfortunately their circulation is very much restricted outside borders with the exception of the UE . As Sue indicates, along the years several varieties ended up in the Americas (North and South) taken mainly by the emigration flows. People here do attach great significance to the fig tree and when they move to far away places take sticks with them for planting close to their new places. Once the Laws (there and here) restrict the movements of plant material, an alternative could well be an approach to the local various national clubs/associations to find out the potential for obtaining some material from them , by the time they prune their trees. I am confident that along the many years they know now the best and most adaptable varieties. One may get a lot of information from this people

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Posted 1368838617	Reply with quote #9

Oh, yea, forgot Black Madeira, silly me! __________________ Sue Zone 9B, 1946' Ramona, CA San Diego County

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Posted 1368840111	Reply with quote #10

Pete, Are you looking for anything specific? I've got half a dozen or so. __________________ Michael in Virginia (zone 7a) Wish list: Perretta,

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Posted 1368840567	Reply with quote #11

I bought some straight from Madiera Island this year. Black Madiera, Flat Madiera and Berbera. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1368841328	Reply with quote #12

... and Portuguese Purple. Also F4F varietal pages show a few under 'Portuguese ..." __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

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Posted 1368843530	Reply with quote #13

Don't miss out Dark Portuguese(Bass) & Moscatel Branco(Adriano).

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Posted 1368847040	Reply with quote #14

thanks all for the information. i think i killed about 10 plants in last 1 week due to giving wrong lime to my young plants. so i have rooms opened up for new plants. thanks to very very generous forum members, i have 3 new varieties one of which is Moscatel Preto. also I-258 which i have been hear rather similar to Black Madeira. and i should be moving my 1 gal Figo Preto to larger container sometime this weekend. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1368907134	Reply with quote #15

about dark portuguese (black?) Wiered things happend to me this week. i had a branch of dark portuguese that didnt want to root. i was tired from it so i broke it to two with my hands and push it into the cup with dirt /soil- 3 days later i see roots in the cup. when.... the going gets though or is it the opposite....? :) __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

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Posted 1368916410	Reply with quote #16

Hi Elin, that sounds interesting ! When you say dark port., is it the name of the fig as you got it ? A long time neighbor says that when selecting and picking his cuttings for propagation (never less than 75 to 80 CM in length), he never uses scissors, he just bends and brakes the selected branch and without any trimming it goes like that to the dirt . And he is not alone, many others do exactly the same claiming that they stand a better chance of rooting that stick quicker and with stronger shoots. My question on the fig name is because although having around here dozens of more or less dark figs NONE is called Dark Portuguese. So. I am always curious when I hear that popular name ( in the US fig communities and nurseries).. What fig will it be ? That is another one I have to find out!! Francisco

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Posted 1368916691	Reply with quote #17

This is all very interesting. I work in Fall River, MA. which has a huge Portuguese population. I've recently just located a very good size fig tree in someone backyard that they had covered up all winter. Wondering how to approach them and inquire about the tree and obtain some cuttings. In addition, I have co workers that return to Portugal almost every year. What are the rules for bringing back cuttings? Or would it be better to give them some cash and have them mail the cuttings back to me? __________________ Check us out on Twitter @ GrowBigPlants Zone 7A - RI

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Posted 1368916950	Reply with quote #18

ill stick to the original nomenclature next time :) we should strive to make fig cultivation as scientific and exact as possible... anyhow maybe breaking the branch assumes the same beneficial effect as scoring or scratching it. RLMike it is easier to import ipads and iphones than live material..... your friends would be in much pain if the custums catch them...-beter you take the risk yourself maybe? or mail it as a present ? __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

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Posted 1368917450	Reply with quote #19

Ask the guy or lady who owns the house and talk to them about their fig, tell them how beautiful it look sand where it comes from etc and tell them you really like figs I would like to try a cutting etc from it. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

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Posted 1368917797	Reply with quote #20

Chivas -maybe he can wait for the summer and wait for the tree to send shoots to the street? i do that all the time randomly taking branches the come out of fences.... i even took pitaya cuttings this way. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

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Posted 1369050039	Reply with quote #21

started rooting Moscatel Prego yesterday. very health cuttings. looking forward to the figs in next yr or two. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369080879	Reply with quote #22

Hi Pete, Just to satisfy my curiosity went to Google and inquired for Moscatel Preto ...was given this page:.. https://www.google.pt/search?q=moscatel+preto+figs&client=firefox-a&hs=6Cs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Y36aUY7EEOiu7AbXnoCQCQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=598 This Moscatel Preto is indeed 'black' as I have seen it under its southern name of 'bêbera preta'. Have no pictures with me now but will get some this season to show. This same link also shows other varieties which may confuse people. All the best in your efforts to root those Moscatel Preto cuttings Francisco

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Posted 1369112910	Reply with quote #23

I have Bêrbêra Prêta. She is now 20" tall. Talk to me in fall. __________________ Jennifer A. Brown Wishlist: NONE Boise ID ZONE 5

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hey Jen, where have you been? haven't seen you in awhile :) __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369135384	Reply with quote #25

francisco, here is link on this fig. this is same fig that paul and nelson has been discussing on this forum sometime ago. the pix are in the link also. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5456604 __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369149817	Reply with quote #26

I hope this season to have both Bebera Preta and Moscatel Preto, apparently two different varieties ,one sourced in the North (Moscatel) the other from the extreme south (Bebera) approx 500kM apart. Will then see how different they look and taste. Francisco

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Posted 1369151110	Reply with quote #27

Does anyone know if **Lungo Del Portogallo** matches any of the Portuguese figs? This type is from Italy, but the name (which translates as 'Portuguese Long', or 'Long From Portugal') sure implies that it likely came from Portugal to Italy at some point. Does anyone know if it matches another Portuguese variety? Jon has it listed under Lungo Del Portogallo, and I have a tree of it. (I don't have the other Portuguese varieties mentioned though, so I can't compare... will be willing to send scion once my tree gets enough size to be able to take cuttings). Mike central NY state, zone 5 __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1369172164	Reply with quote #28

Michael, Found a link to a photo and further description, synonmys: Portogallo, San Piero, Buzzone nero, Fico grosso. http://store.ilgarden.it/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30096 http://shop.vivaimaistrello.it/fichi/374-lungo-del-portogallo.html __________________ Sue Zone 9B, 1946' Ramona, CA San Diego County

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Posted 1369180602	Reply with quote #29

francisco, when the time comes, please post some pictures. i'm looking forward to pix of your figs. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369184327	Reply with quote #30

Yes Pete I will ! Meanwhile while waitting let me tell you that ... I had a dream the other day I could make these fly far...far away Attached Images ENCHÁRIOS_2.jpg (250.53 KB, 79 views) Risu_et_Lacrimis.jpg (771.92 KB, 91 views) P1020470.jpg (233.88 KB, 88 views)

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Posted 1369184556	Reply with quote #31

Francisco, What's the name of the figs in the 3rd pic. They are making my mouth water. __________________ Art- Western Pa. 6a

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Posted 1369185510	Reply with quote #32

franciso, as always, they are wonderful. i hope some will find their way into america some day. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369185805	Reply with quote #33

Hi Kubota1. Thank you. These are VIOLETA figs. This name has been its real denomination for the past 150 years They are in fact of a particular flavor, sweet and syrupy- Francisco

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Posted 1369186114	Reply with quote #34

Wow they are gorgeous !!!!

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Posted 1369186428	Reply with quote #35

Francisco this moscatel preto originated from the Minho region. Although moscatel preto and bêbera preta are generally the same this moscatel preto is clearly not a Bêbera preta. Also had a moscatel Branco from Porto that resembles or possibly was the same as white Marseilles. I got the moscatel preto from my fathers neighbor who brought two plants in his suit case lol. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

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Posted 1369186608	Reply with quote #36

Pete, Thanks. I am confident that by the hand of emigrants, friends, travelers...they are most probably somewhere in America for quite some time. They always took with them sticks and/or small rooted trees of their best varieties and these plus some others are definitely the very best. Francisco

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Posted 1369215034	Reply with quote #37

JR, Thank you for your appreciation. These figs may root and grow anywhere but, they do need a lot of SUN These on the pics are all from grown up trees in ground without any irrigation at all. Nelson, Thank you I may clarify this this season. but in the Algarve region (south) we are more faithful to the original names, but in the North, if along a road you see 20 houses all with the SAME fig on their backyards, inquiring for the name, you will get a lot of different names. Growers and nurseries as well do change the names Here, the popular Pingo de Mel has also the following names: MOSCATEL BRANCO - SETE CAMADAS () - and on some places: MOSCATEL D'ODEÁXERE - RAINHA - MATERNETA - PASSARINHA (??) () - meaning prolific sort of everbearing which it is in fact cheers Francisco

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Posted 1369219173	Reply with quote #38

Very tasty looking figs. Thanks for the pic's. Keep posting them Francisco. I hope to get some nice ones this season with my green house and more next year.

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Posted 1369222494	Reply with quote #39

Paully, Thank you. I would be very happy to hear one day (not too far away) that you all had tried and successfully managed to grow and taste these figs on your own backyards , orchards, balconies, farms... The fact that, contrary to a number of Med countries, the Caprifig was kept here for centuries, many new figs are born in Nature every season. Many, probably excellent, are born, grow, live and die without we even knowing that they were there.. Soon I will prepare and send a few pictures to illustrate what I am saying Best of health and good luck with your figs Francisco

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Posted 1369223056	Reply with quote #40

francisco, when you have some time, can you post a picture of Violea leaves? would like to see what it looks like. Violeta reminds me of Black Madeira fig i have seen posted by jon. thanks. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369228917	Reply with quote #41

Pete, These are pictures taken at the very beginning of its rooting in March. But the leaves are already there. If we were in a guess game I would say that you seem to be closing the distance. Cannot post an update as this cutting was given to a friend who did not get off my shoulder until the day he took the small pot with the young Violeta. Tell me what do you think. Later I am planing to get to the adult tree and take pictures of diff angles of branches, leaves and fruit in diff stages of maturation. Francisco Attached Images P1020923.JPG (98.89 KB, 31 views) P1020922.JPG (99.84 KB, 29 views)

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Posted 1369229595	Reply with quote #42

Here's my Dark Portuguese Attached Images Dark_Portuguese_Fig2.jpg (956.69 KB, 45 views) __________________ Zone 7 Celeste, White Marseilles, Beer's Black, Green Greek, White Italy one unknown, Chicago hardy, White Naples, Portuguese Black, Italian Honey.Black Bethleham, Sal's C, Several unknowns. Looking for dark sweet types from Azores and southern Spain (figs, not women), 2014 goal is to acquire Kathleen Black

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Posted 1369229619	Reply with quote #43

francisco, those leaves are very clean. and clearly showing 3 lobes. all my Black Maderia has FMV and they show single and 3 lobes. probably different figs. thanks for the pictures. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1369229884	Reply with quote #44

Jack, are those in the pic in ground? If so, what others do you have in ground?

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Posted 1369230402	Reply with quote #45

Those are in 20G pots against my fence line. I have Celeste, Chicago Hardy, Italian Everbearer, and an Italian Red in the ground __________________ Zone 7 Celeste, White Marseilles, Beer's Black, Green Greek, White Italy one unknown, Chicago hardy, White Naples, Portuguese Black, Italian Honey.Black Bethleham, Sal's C, Several unknowns. Looking for dark sweet types from Azores and southern Spain (figs, not women), 2014 goal is to acquire Kathleen Black

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Posted 1369266197	Reply with quote #46

Pete, Have just created a new topic on the Violeta showing more of its leaves and the littke fruit. This one is from an adult tree, has no FMV and the leaf contour seems to match some other variety. Francisco

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Posted 1404136497	Reply with quote #47

Hey. I am looking for cuttings from a Lampeira with the green skin fig. Im guessing these might be the Lampa Branco? Anyone have any suggestions on where I can get some of these cuttings? __________________ John Ont. Canada.

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Posted 1404138071	Reply with quote #48

Welcome to the forum. Since you are in Canada, Adriano's would be a good start. He lists it. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

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Posted 1404139757	Reply with quote #49

Thanks Figgary. I did phone Adriano a week or two ago, but he told me that he doesnt sell cuttings. I might have to contact him again next year about buying a rooted plant if I cant find cuttings anywhere. __________________ John Ont. Canada.

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