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I bought a ghost pepper from Esposito's here in Tallahassee which is billed as the world's hottest. Imagine my surprise when I was told at another Tallahassee nursery that there are actually two others that are hotter. He told me their names but I forgot. Who among us fig lovers, has tried a ghost pepper? photo 1.JPG  photo 2.JPG

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I've had a piece the size of dime of both the ghost pepper and a scorpion pepper, the latter of which is supposedly hotter. Both were insanely, ridiculously hot, immediate pain followed by a numbness that lingered. The heat is like being punched in the throat. My stomach felt odd for hours afterwards. There's also a pepper called the Carolina reaper that tops them both. Once you get above a certain number of Scoville units, I can't imagine out matters.
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I haven't had a ghost pepper. When I grew habaneros it would stay on my hands for days and everything I'd touch itd burn. I'm growing some lumbre chiles this year which is about as hot as I can really handle
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I always thought Habaneros were hottest peppers, but then, i gathered that info from Food Channel stuff...I don't know.
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My father grew these. They are good in a tomato or meat sauce or as an ingredient in chilli.
I think Seven describes the experience quite accurately.

Except he's missing the burning sensation you feel in your chest and your heart tends to beat a little faster.


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The world hottest pepper is the Carolina Reaper.
1,569,300 on the Scoville Heat unit.
Seeds are on ebay. High dollar.
I choke on chilli peppers,...

Doug

I just bought seeds, holy crap $.
These peppers will be used as insecticide.
Hopefully a good investment.

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Yes, the scorpion and Carolina reaper peppers are the ones the nursery guy mentioned to me as being hotter than ghost. My experience with ghost peppers occurred while on vacation in a Gatlinburg condiments store. They had dozens of hot pepper relishes lined up for sampling and ghost was in the forefront. You should know that I routinely grow habaneros and jar them in olive oil to eat with most of my meals, so I figured my system could certainly handle this hyped up pepper. I took a small piece of cracker, dipped it in the pepper mixture and put it in my mouth, quickly chewed and swallowed. Boy was I wrong! What Seven and Pino described is absolutely true. I thought I was having a heart attack with the chest pain and the sweating. I had to sit down and wait it out while my wife continued to shop. Man, can't wait until my little plant starts producing!
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Taste really does matter and I've never heard anyone describe the flavor of these new fireballs.  I hate the taste of jalapenos.  I think serranos taste better.  Habaneros are somewhere in between.  I use 1 serrano for a quart of salsa.  I would squeeze a drop from one of these others, dilute it into a 3 egg scramble to see what they taste like before using them.  I want a pleasant heat, not a painful heat.  When I make a salsa I also make a heat concentrate that people can add into their own if they want.  3 serranos or habaneros, a big clove of garlic and a little olive oil in a food processor, scaled up as needed.  With a sign on it.  :)

There's great reading here

http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org/heat.php

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I've grown the bhut jolokia (ghost pepper) and moruga scorpion over the last few years. Both are unbelievably hot. The moruga has very little flavor, just insane heat. While I wouldnt dare eat a fresh bhut, I like to add one to my chili. The bhut has great flavor and an interesting heat... it doesnt burn immediately like a habanero, it comes on slowly and lasts a while.

My favorite thing is to make jelly with the bhuts. It is probably one of the most delicious jellies Ive ever made, especially when I add strawberries.

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The bhuts are the skinny red ones. The morugas are the short plump red ones.



Moruga scorpion



Ive heard the carolina reaper was a fluke and that while one pepper measured very hot, on average they are as high on the scoville scale as bhut or moruga.

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Since on subject of hot peppers quick true story.
Grew Habanero's one season and was out picking them and had to go number 1 real bad so went in house and went to
bathroom without thinking.

Next thing i did was jump in shower right away because i felt like i was on fire down there.
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Since on subject of hot peppers quick true story.
Grew Habanero's one season and was out picking them and had to go number 1 real bad so went in house and went to
bathroom without thinking.

Next thing i did was jump in shower right away because i felt like i was on fire down there.


Maybe ghost and scorpion peppers arent the thing for you my friend! Haha. These peppers stay on your hands for days and burn if you dont use gloves.

My wife did the same thing but with putting her contacts in the next day. It wasnt pretty and pouring milk into her eyes at 6am made a mess.

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No thanks ...
I once grew some (wrinkled) Habanero peppers and bit into one.
It almost (literally) killed me - red-face, sweaty-hair, running-nose, watery-eyes, burning-mouth and all!
From that day on, I only want mild/medium hot peppers ...
Currently Jalapeno is my favorite hot pepper.

(too hot for me) Habanero:
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(perfect for me) Jalapeno:
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BTW, seeds are 30% off here

http://www.crazyhotseeds.com/top-10-worlds-hottest-peppers/

The Carolina reaper had 1 pepper get up to 2.2 million Scoville units.

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Carolina Reaper

That's way to hot to eat.
I'm hoping the deer will think the same if i grind boil and strain.
I will put it in a sprayer and test.


That is next year.
Will grow it and save seeds to trade.

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Since on subject of hot peppers quick true story.
Grew Habanero's one season and was out picking them and had to go number 1 real bad so went in house and went to
bathroom without thinking.

Next thing i did was jump in shower right away because i felt like i was on fire down there.
Maybe ghost and scorpion peppers arent the thing for you my friend! Haha. These peppers stay on your hands for days and burn if you dont use gloves. My wife did the same thing but with putting her contacts in the next day. It wasnt pretty and pouring milk into her eyes at 6am made a mess.


Never had the ghost and or scorpion peppers .
Picking the Habanero's no gloves but my gosh one needs gloves for ghost and scorpions that
devestate the inside of moi.
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Martin, If you'd like to try some of the ones I dried last year, shoot me a PM. Ground them and they add a nice spice to any dish. They arent nearly as hot dried as fresh either... but they are still very hot.
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I'm worse than Gorgi..the Jalapenos are too hot for me......
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A cheese factory (they make everything from plain Jane cheddar to artisnal cheeses) down south of KC makes a ghost pepper cheese with lovely bits of dried peppers. Named Hotter Than Hell, it's very good, definitely lets you know it's there, but not deadly. For me at least! Makes a great grilled cheese sammie with a slice of swiss, slice of sharp cheddar and slice of HTH. Dip the sammie in ranch dressing or bleu cheese dressing keeps the heat under control.
Not sure I want to try the Carolina Reaper. Check out You Tube vids, yikes.

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I'll stick to large Jalapenios... at least I can have stuffed cheese grilled Jalapenios...
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Carolina Reaper

That's way to hot to eat.
I'm hoping the deer will think the same if i grind boil and strain.
I will put it in a sprayer and test.


That is next year.
Will grow it and save seeds to trade.

Doug


http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/12/30/worlds-hottest-pepper-grown-in-south-carolina/


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i find that washing your hands in dish soap for 2 verses of happy birthday

lets you touch your eyes with no pain.

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I grow the purple and red Bhut Jolokia and the taste is fantastic but hard to describe. It adds a ton of flavor with the heat. If you don't use but a tiny bit in whatever you're making they're quite bearable. I wouldn't bite into one though. I pick them and care for the plants without gloves but unlike you poor guys, we don't have to grab anything...wink wink LOL

After I dry or smoke them I grind them and sprinkle it into or onto the food.

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i find that washing your hands in dish soap for 2 verses of happy birthday

lets you touch your eyes with no pain.


Maybe that works for habaneros, but not these guys. I tried everything including toothpaste, which worked the best.

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thanks for the info, nick. if they're that hot i'll give them a pass.

i'm more interested in taste than heat. i just use a mix of hot and medium hot to get that.

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I grow "super hots" every year. I like hot spicy food,
but my favorite for cooking is "silver bullet" white habeneros,
which are not that hot compared to supers. There are a lot
more varieties of superhot than just scorpions, reapers and
ghost peppers.

This past winter was exceptionally mild in Tucson (apologies
to those in the midwest and eastcoast who suffered.) All my
superhots from last year made it through the winter and are
in full foliage and bloom now. I don't do anything to overwinter
peppers and usually have to start from seeds every year, but
this year I'm just going with last years overwinters. They should
get huge as overwinters. I have a carolina reaper, yellow brainstrain,
peach bhut, fatalli, primo, white habenero, SB7J. They will make
a pretty good harvest of peppers in may, then sulk through the
heat till september, then really load up with peppers in the fall.

Anyone with a hot pepper curiosity, send me a pm in september
and I'll post a package of superhots. They are not for the faint of
heart though.

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Carolina Reaper is the worlds hottest.  Created by Smokin' Ed.

Guinness Book of World Records --> http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2013/11/confirmed-smokin-eds-carolina-reaper-sets-new-record-for-hottest-chilli-53033/

I have a few plants of these growing, as well as Chocolate Moruga's, 5 different types of Ghost Peppers etc.  I grow all of mine hydroponically.

Nothing beats making pepper rings sautéed in olive oil on PIZZA!

Just like figs, these peppers all taste different once you can get past the heat.  i.e.  Regular ghost peppers have a 'smoky' flavor, yet Peach Ghosts are just as hot but 'sweet'.
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For anyone wanting to try a hot pepper jelly...

Pour two cups of cider vinegar into a pot. Add six cups of sugar.

Heat on medium until the sugar is all dissolved and the mixture is clear.

Chop up your peppers. I use two to four ghost peppers. I dont mind the seeds so i leave them in. If you want texture dice up a red pepper as well. I like to dice up six strawberries with mine as well.

Toss your pepper mixture into the pot and keep stirring, never stop stirring!

Add a squirt of lemon juices to help preserve it. And bring the mixture to a simmer.

Add one pack of liquid pectin (I HATE the powder stuff). Stir for another five minutes on low.

Pour the jelly into glass jars and fill to the top. Then boil the jelly jars in hot water for ten minutes.

Once you are done, bake some buttermilk biscuits, spread some cream cheese and a SMALL amount of jelly on them... welcome to my heaven!

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That sounds awesome Nick, I will certainly try that!
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Martin, If you'd like to try some of the ones I dried last year, shoot me a PM. Ground them and they add a nice spice to any dish. They arent nearly as hot dried as fresh either... but they are still very hot.


Thanks for the offer but i dont use much hot peppers anymore its bad enough now
i have to take a pill a dat for heartburn and still have to watch what i eat !
But thanks for the offer.
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No thanks, tried habanero and that's already way way too hot for me!
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This one is appropriately named Peter Pepper. Rated X.


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I have tasted the ghost and if you are careful they can be eaten and cooked with but small mistakes can lead to large pains. The ghost pepper's heat is unlike other peppers as it increases with time rather then fading. It has a nice flavor compared to Habanero and many other hot peppers and you really do need to be careful when handling as one careless sneeze or scratch can cost you. I always thought the Scotch Bonnet was the hottest but I guess new ones have been found.

Frank that is one obscene looking veg.

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Hot peppers generally and ghost peppers in particular need a long season to ripen. Overwintering is great way to increase your yield if you have the climate outside or the space inside. I've been growing the same ghost pepper plant since 2011. It requires very little effort to do. I keep a few plants in a sunny room over the winter. I have a plant bulb in the overhead fixture and I keep it on for 12-14 hours a day. If you hand pollinate the flowers, you can harvest peppers all year long.
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Hi,
A former neighbor was a french Martinican - those guys are known for eating hot spicy food.
One year, he gave me two peppers for tasting as he had a good production.
I went home, cut one in two pieces and just put it upon my tongue - When the pepper touched my tongue, it felt like a "9volts battery"  upon my tongue - just burning - I kept drinking for like half an hour .
I couldn't feel my tongue - It was like under anesthesia - I didn't even chew that stuff. Just Imagine if I had tried ...
Never again ...
Of course, Madame was willing to try as well - She stopped laughing at me while drinking as well !
No one could even think of chewing the pepper .
Incredible that people think of eating such things. But like they say, you cry twice, while at enter, and at exit :P

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Love hot peppers and hot sauce. I visit the Out Islands of the Bahamas at least once a year. There's a tiny pepper there that grows wild that the locals call 'bird pepper'. They use it for many dishes and it is HOT. The locations of the bushes are kept a secret as the wild ones are hotter and have a stronger flavor than cultivated ones. I've spoken to many people who've tried to grow them in the states and failed. They're great on a fresh conch salad or ceviche. The locals use about half of this tiny pepper chopped up very fine for a huge bowl of conch salad and it is almost too hot.
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I like hot peppers but you can get too hot for me.  I actually ferment mash, age it and then process it into a hot sauce similar to Tabasco, Franks, etc.
Get flavor with Jalapenos, and Serrano's, heat and flavor with Tabasco, Cayenne, Habanero.

Going to try Aji Amarillo and Aji Limon this year as well.

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I love hot peppers. I've got Bhut Jolokia, Carolina Reaper, Thai Dragon and a bunch of milder hot peppers growing. I also buy Korean hot pepper flakes from the local Asian market. Those work beautifully for my kimchee.

I like to take the dried hot pepper and mix it with Szechuan peppercorns (the seed of the prickly ash) to make a Chinese hot pot-inspired condiment. The peppers burn and the peppercorns cool, to the point of numbing.

I don't have a formal recipe. I just eye it up when mixing. Generally, it is about 1 part roasted (30 seconds in a frying pan) and ground peppercorns to 6 parts dried, ground peppers. Then I add a bit of sea salt and rice vinegar, just to slightly wet it. I finish off soaking the mixture with peanut oil. It makes a spicy paste that really lights you up. Tiny amount is all it takes. My wife refuses to eat anything with it, so I just dab a bit onto whatever I am eating.
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My husband is crazy about hot peppers, he's been eating ghost sauce on his eggs for a couple of years now. Thanks to a generous F4F member I am growing Reapers and a few other of the supper hots. The guy that came up with the Reaper live right here in Fort Mill, SC. He used to have a hot sauce booth at a local indoor flea market. Habeneros are my limit. I will make him some wicked pico, before I got a slap chopper I used to wear gloves...
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Growth Culture matters

I remember reading about the Carolina Reaper.  A couple of the articles I saw pointed out how much variation there was in individual plants among the various super-hot peppers, including Carolina Reapers.  Although it suggests that individual genes matter, it also suggests that culture matters.  (Can't conclude that just from different individual plants, but it suggests it).  Anyway, I think that when it comes to questions like "what is the hottest pepper variety?", you'd find that although the variety matters (obviously enough), the growth culture also matters to a very significant degree.  If you grow Ghost Peppers and Carolina Reapers side by side in 3 different locales (each location having different soil, different water, different humidity, different sunlight exposure, etc), you might find that the Carolina Reapers are hotter in one locale while the Ghost Peppers are hotter in another locale.  I suppose you'd have to use clones of each plant to really prove it, but you improve the probability of the conclusion by using seeds from individual fruits of each, and averaging across multiple offspring per locale (each locale's batch containing seeds from the same individual parent fruits of the two varieties).  But it's probably a pointless experiment:  lots of hot pepper growers have already concluded that the growth culture makes a huge difference.

We all see that it's similar with figs:  a particular variety turns out differently in different locations.  A Black Mission fig grown in Southern California tastes a whole lot different from a Black Mission fig grown in Maine (if you can even get one to ripen in Maine).  Soil, climate, humidity, amount of sun, etc... all those things have a huge influence.

Not a startling conclusion.  But the amount of capsaicinoids in a pepper variety can vary quite a lot... enough to make the question "what's the hottest variety?" be indeterminate, except for marketing hype.  I'll stick to habaneros... when I was younger the thought of another hotter-yet pepper was a thrill, but now it just makes me think about chemical burns (and my wish to avoid them).

Mike

P.S.  Nice thread, Frank.  Good luck with those ghost peppers!  But watch out you don't burn yourself.  :-)

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Also thanks to Martin too.  It's good to get a laugh now and then (no doubt it wasn't funny at the time though).  I guess you've added another couple of words to the adage:  Don't touch your eyes or your wife (husband) when you've been picking peppers.  :-)

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Post #35 just when you think you have seen a lot.
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Yep.  All kinds of unfortunate mixups could happen with something like that.
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Growth Culture matters

I remember reading about the Carolina Reaper.  A couple of the articles I saw pointed out how much variation there was in individual plants among the various super-hot peppers, including Carolina Reapers.  Although it suggests that individual genes matter, it also suggests that culture matters.  (Can't conclude that just from different individual plants, but it suggests it).  Anyway, I think that when it comes to questions like "what is the hottest pepper variety?", you'd find that although the variety matters (obviously enough), the growth culture also matters to a very significant degree.  If you grow Ghost Peppers and Carolina Reapers side by side in 3 different locales (each location having different soil, different water, different humidity, different sunlight exposure, etc), you might find that the Carolina Reapers are hotter in one locale while the Ghost Peppers are hotter in another locale.  I suppose you'd have to use clones of each plant to really prove it, but you improve the probability of the conclusion by using seeds from individual fruits of each, and averaging across multiple offspring per locale (each locale's batch containing seeds from the same individual parent fruits of the two varieties).  But it's probably a pointless experiment:  lots of hot pepper growers have already concluded that the growth culture makes a huge difference.

We all see that it's similar with figs:  a particular variety turns out differently in different locations.  A Black Mission fig grown in Southern California tastes a whole lot different from a Black Mission fig grown in Maine (if you can even get one to ripen in Maine).  Soil, climate, humidity, amount of sun, etc... all those things have a huge influence.

Not a startling conclusion.  But the amount of capsaicinoids in a pepper variety can vary quite a lot... enough to make the question "what's the hottest variety?" be indeterminate, except for marketing hype.  I'll stick to habaneros... when I was younger the thought of another hotter-yet pepper was a thrill, but now it just makes me think about chemical burns (and my wish to avoid them).

Mike

P.S.  Nice thread, Frank.  Good luck with those ghost peppers!  But watch out you don't burn yourself.  :-)
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Question:
Most mammals do react to the 'hot' active-ingredient of these peppers
(think pepper-spray) ...

I have heard that 'birds' have no/zero sensation to it - and as a matter of fact -
some people add (pizza-type) 'crushed-pepper' to their seed mix;
in particular, to enhance the 'red-factor' color in canaries. ?

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I plan on chopping up the ghost peppers and making an oil infusion of them. Dribble a little of that oil on food so the heat factor can be controlled.
I do not plan on doing what these two doofuses did on youtube.


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Most mammals do react to the 'hot' active-ingredient of these peppers
(think pepper-spray) ...

I have heard that 'birds' have no/zero sensation to it - and as a matter of fact -
some people add (pizza-type) 'crushed-pepper' to their seed mix;
in particular, to enhance the 'red-factor' color in canaries. ?


I did not know that George  - thats something .

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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1857/are-birds-immune-to-hot-pepper-enabling-them-to-eat-vast-amounts-and-spread-the-seeds

[E: Yes Martin, the above article/url supports that and goes on mentioning that pepper-hotness is beyond our 5 basic senses.]

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If you're going to make an infusion to spray on plants you want to have some dish soap with or without oil in the water you use to extract the peppers in.  The Capsaicinoids are oil soluble, not water soluble.

Also, not just cultural conditions but positioning on the plant affects heat.  The lowest peppers are hotter than subsequent ones.

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Amazing!?!  Pepper-hotness goes beyond our 5 basic human senses:
Sight, hearing, smell, touch and (above all) TASTE! (think capsaicin = fire/flame pains)
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/workbook/chapter2.htm

Do see article/url on my post#51.

For all's convenience here is it again, any direct comments on it?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1857/are-birds-immune-to-hot-pepper-enabling-them-to-eat-vast-amounts-and-spread-the-seeds

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