Please clarify - LaRadek EBT vs. LaRadek BT

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HarveyC

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Posted 1410306478	Reply with quote #1

I received a generous gift of LaRadek cuttings earlier this year. Apparently, an email indicated they were LaRadek BT and rare, etc. The cuttings arrived only with Laradek written on the bag. I searched the forum here and saw a discussion of LaRadek EBT (English Brown Turkey) and labeled them as that. The friend that gave them to me is now upset with me for other reasons and brought up this issue as well but hasn't told me what the difference is. Can someone please explain? Thanks, Harvey __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1410307413	Reply with quote #2

Harvey , I think there is only one variety with the LaRadek name attached and is considered possibly a strain of English Brown Turkey. I don't think there are 2 versions of this . __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

HarveyC

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Posted 1410307665	Reply with quote #3

Thanks, Kerry. I appreciate it. Are you, by chance, growing it? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Ampersand

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Posted 1410307707	Reply with quote #4

I saw it posted there is an EBT and a BT, no idea the difference. Edit: Laradk (sic) EBT is not LaRadek BT is what I've got.

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1410308184	Reply with quote #5

Harvey , I was given a small plant this season. Kelby , I have missed reading quite a few posts , so thanks for bringing that up , I'll have to look for that post you mention. Didn't mean to mislead Harvey , I just hadn't heard of the fellow it came from having more than that one fig that was sought after. __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

Ampersand

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Posted 1410308450	Reply with quote #6

That was recently posted over the new forum. I know nothing about either except LaRadek BT is R's fave and the Laredk (?) EBT is supposed to be extra hardy. That was spelling I saw...not sure if a typo.

HarveyC

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Posted 1410310718	Reply with quote #7

I just found the discussion in the other forum. Rafed said the word "Laredk" was a typo and he should have written that "Laradek EBT" (written as "LaRadek EBT" in a thread here). There is no description of Laradek BT other than the thread on the other forum. Seems that with an unusual name like this there would be some connection but maybe not. Who knows? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

GregMartin

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Posted 1410310956	Reply with quote #8

Harvey, if you can post a picture of the leaves we can confirm if they match LaRadek EBT leaves. __________________ zone 5 Maine Seeking: Saint Martin, Naples White, Black Tuscan, Bécane, French Alps, Abruzzi, Tenica, Wild Mountain Figs from the coldest corners (Iranian, Turkish or other...would love seeds too)

HarveyC

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Posted 1410312841	Reply with quote #9

Kerry, which one are you growing, Laradek BT or Laradek EBT? Greg, do you have Laradek EBT? I'd like a cutting from anyone that has it from a reliable source. Here is a photo I just took of my Laradek BT started from cutting on April 17, 2014. It is about 4' tall and is forming fruit which may ripen here still this year. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

leon_edmond

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Posted 1410316975	Reply with quote #10

Harvey, I know of only one LaRadek fig. The term BT and EBT are interchanged but I am sure that they refer to the same fig. I received mine from a reliable source. I will post photos of my leaves over the next day or so but they resemble your leaves. Here are photos of one of my LaRadek Figs from last season. The bottom three photos compare the Bayernfeige Violetta fig from this year. Both varieties have some similarities, but there is a difference in taste. The LaRadek EBT has a sweet, fruity fig taste whereas the Bayernfeige Violetta has a sweet, cantaloupe flavor in my opinion. My personal preference is the taste of the LaRadek. Other growers may differ. Both are abundant croppers of large figs.

HarveyC

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Posted 1410317889	Reply with quote #11

Thank you very much, Leon. I look forward to your leaf photos when you have the time. Note: I am going to be here on the forum less and less in the next couple of months. Alfalfa irrigation has me working crazy hours (slept 3 hours last night, will change irrigation set at midnight tonight so may get 5 hours of sleep tonight), and chestnuts are starting to drop and it will be crazy. Before chestnut harvest is complete I will also be putting in additional underground irrigation lines for my alfalfa and replant a couple of fields. I just drop in here for some recreation or trying to stay awake for the next call of duty. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rcantor

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Posted 1410327349	Reply with quote #12

Have a great time, Harvey! :) __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

leon_edmond

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Posted 1410399055	Reply with quote #13

Here are the leaves from my LaRadek EBT:

greenfig

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Posted 1410419597	Reply with quote #14

What is special about the LaRadek EBT except the cold hardiness? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

leon_edmond

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Posted 1410455338	Reply with quote #15

The cold hardiness is one of the attributes of this fig so it is a variety that attracts growers in those climates. It is also a great tasting fig and very productive. So it has a lot going for it in that way. I am growing it for the taste, the size, the small eye, and the production in my area. I have had an unprecedented amount of requests for this fig. To me, this is one of the few Brown Turkey variants (EBT) that I like.

GRamaley

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Posted 1410457452	Reply with quote #16

Looks like a nice size fig. __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

greenfig

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Posted 1410458252	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by leon_edmond The cold hardiness is one of the attributes of this fig so it is a variety that attracts growers in those climates. It is also a great tasting fig and very productive. So it has a lot going for it in that way. I am growing it for the taste, the size, the small eye, and the production in my area. I have had an unprecedented amount of requests for this fig. To me, this is one of the few Brown Turkey variants (EBT) that I like. Thanks, Leon. I wonder if it is better than a CA Brown Turkey, a very nice fig too. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

jdsfrance

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Posted 1410511220	Reply with quote #18

Hi leon_edmond, Those look like brebas of my BrownTurkey . Are those brebas ? The shape is really different in the main crop of my BT as there is not neck on the main crop. Does your LaraDek EBT exhibit the same differences ? There are some differences that a photo can't show you. My BT makes 3/4 brebas per stem - one of my neighbor's makes 6/7 per stem - leaves are almost the same. Is that enough to call them different ... IMO, definitely YES . __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

leon_edmond

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Posted 1410525942	Reply with quote #19

Yes, you are right jdsfrance. Those are brebas. In the LaRadek Photos, the date shows it was picked on July 2nd.

HarveyC

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Posted 1410539265	Reply with quote #20

Quote: Originally Posted by leon_edmond Here are the leaves from my LaRadek EBT: Thanks for the photo, Leon. Here are a couple of leaves from my young "Laradek BT" given to me from Rafed. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

nelson20vt

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Posted 1410544507	Reply with quote #21

Harvey there is only one Laradek fig. It is a strain of English Brown Turkey that has survived some very harsh cold winters in the Czech republic and still ripened fruit. Laradek, EBT Laradek & English Brown Turkey (Laradek) or Laradek's Englisht brown turkey is some of the variations I have seen the last 5 years of this fig. if you google Fíkovník Laradek you mind find some more info. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

leon_edmond

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Posted 1410568798	Reply with quote #22

Thank you Nelson for your feedback and photo on the LaRadek.

paully22

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Posted 1410572885	Reply with quote #23

Great info guys. Looks like I got to find the real LaRadek BT as I like the attributes of good taste, small eye hardiness and good productivity. So far my most reliable for 2 crops is Osborne Prolific.

HarveyC

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Posted 1410575963	Reply with quote #24

I found an old email address for Laradek to see if he wanted to indicate his preference for a name. But it seems that Laradek's English Brown Turkey is probably the appropriate name to use. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

HarveyC

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Posted 1411396234	Reply with quote #25

Laradek emailed me back this morning but didn't answer my question regarding the naming but referred me to this page which shows some good details on his trees cold hardiness (Bing wouldn't translate the page for me so I used Chrome browser to translate it): http://www.fikovniky.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51 I heard from a reliable source that a source in Austria that sent cuttings to three different people labeled them differently: "Laradek English Brown Turkey", "Laradek EBT", and "Laradek BT" even though they were all the same. One could speculate his pen was running out of ink, lol. It was also explained that the Brown Turkey grown in Europe is English Brown Turkey but commonly just called Brown Turkey. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Ampersand

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Posted 1411406000	Reply with quote #26

Thanks for the info Harvey, I guess now the community needs to decide which name should be applied.

HarveyC

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Posted 1411407246	Reply with quote #27

For many species there is an appointed "registrar" of cultivars chosen by the scientific community. I personally know the registrars for chestnuts and plumeria. The fact that there is no registrar selected for figs is probably an indication that they've agreed to disagree! lol __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1411410142	Reply with quote #28

Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC For many species there is an appointed "registrar" of cultivars chosen by the scientific community. I personally know the registrars for chestnuts and plumeria. The fact that there is no registrar selected for figs is probably an indication that they've agreed to disagree! lol It doesn't help either that figs aren't a big cash crop...no interest if there's no money.

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