Single node cuttings experiment

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joann1536

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Posted 1421078401	Reply with quote #201

I have been watching this experiment for a couple of months, and I am so impressed! Great job, great figdom! I bought a few cuttings on eBay in December, and the offer was for 3 cuttings. I received 3 cuttings plus one extra one-node piece. The one-node did as well as any of them. Thanks for sharing the experiment! __________________ USDA Zone 9b Wish list: Abruzzi, Pasquale, Tagliacozzo, Zingarella, Godfather. Any unk Italian, especially from Abruzzo.

ChrisK

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Posted 1421104368	Reply with quote #202

Hey Charlie. Those single nodes are lucky to be under Your care! You have the patience knowledge and required green thumb to make it happen so keep up the outstanding work! I wish I had half of your success Bud(you said I could call you bud, right?)lol Thanks again for the cuttings and the inspiration! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

JLee

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Posted 1421105401 · Edited	Reply with quote #203

This single node growth is an awesome experiment. Would love to replicate or try one day. __________________ Orange County, California / Zone 10b Wish List: Col de Dame Grise, Aubique Petite, Vasilika Sika, Galicia Negra -Jeffrey and Anna

Charlie

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Posted 1421119665	Reply with quote #204

Thanks for the good words! Here's some pics of new root discoveries. When they get like this, they are about to take off. You can see some leaf loss that happened before roots appeared. These will not lose another leaf. This sneaky bunch of roots happened on the other side of the cup from my view. No leaves at all yet on any of the BM. They just look like they keep shedding bud sheaths. This one will leaf soon I bet. Next we can see the shed leaf. I thought this one was dead. This one lost a leaf and stalled, waiting for roots. This Mead didn't lose any leaf but stalled for a long time. Another Vasilika Sika that lost three leaves. Have not up-potted any of the cup plants yet, not enough roots. Can't say enough about the ease of up-potting the styro bowl plants. The bowl lifts right off after flipping. The roots on the good growing ones are enough they keep the media intact. I fill the pots and use a bowl to mold an indention where the transplant is placed. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rcantor

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Posted 1421139919	Reply with quote #205

Great work! You're a hero! Perseverance pays off. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Charlie

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Posted 1421931084	Reply with quote #206

Same BM as in first pic in the last post. Her sister... No roots on the other three BM yet. Big restructuring of the figdom going on. Removal of non-producing bowls/cups and up-potting of others making it. They like the gallon pots much better and it's a lot less effort to maintain. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1422390214	Reply with quote #207

Charlie, thanks for this great experiment, do you have any idea what it takes to read every post of 5 pages? A lot of time. Glad to see your success, even if partial. I was wondering if you have considered Tim's plastic wrap for cuttings (whatever it is called, can't remember) instead of waxing, to prevent drying out the cuttings? __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1422390374	Reply with quote #208

Oh geez I just posted this and now I noticed a new thread on "parafilm" I can't keep up with the people on this forum. Still would like your thoughts though Charlie. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

Charlie

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Posted 1422404483	Reply with quote #209

Quote: Originally Posted by rafaelissimmo Charlie, thanks for this great experiment, do you have any idea what it takes to read every post of 5 pages? A lot of time. Glad to see your success, even if partial. I was wondering if you have considered Tim's plastic wrap for cuttings (whatever it is called, can't remember) instead of waxing, to prevent drying out the cuttings? Yes I have read it through several times to remember what I did! I kind of thought about it. If any more cuttings are done I would like to try it. Likely will not ever do it in the house again. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

nycfig

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Posted 1422705156	Reply with quote #210

How's everything going in the Figdom, Charlie? Is everything up-potted? __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

Charlie

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Posted 1422708506	Reply with quote #211

Quote: Originally Posted by nycfig How's everything going in the Figdom, Charlie? Is everything up-potted? Everything that was in a foam bowl and had roots, even a little piece of a root, is in a gallon pot now. This goes back to the very beginning when the Armenian cutting from Aaron was buried shallow horizontal. When watering, it is mostly applied directly around the plant/cutting and let the excess get wicked away toward the sides that is staying rather dry. So far so good. Transplanting from solo cups is not nearly as easy as from the foam bowls but I figured out a way to do it that does not disturb the roots. It would take a video to show exactly how that's being done but I will try to explain. The first small cut is done at the top edge of the cup with pruning shears, just to break through the tough plastic ring. Then using a small pair of good, sharp scissors, A small chunk is cut from the bottom edge, enough to insert the scissor tip and cut all the way around, holding the cup in my left hand and pinky finger supporting the bottom piece so the mix doesn't fall out. Once the bottom is severed, a side cut is made from the bottom to the top cut that was made first, still supporting the bottom piece with the pinky finger. The the bottom is allowed to fall away while gently squeezing the sides together to keep the mix intact. Then the whole cup can be set into a gallon pot which has a bit of mix already and loosely filled around the sides. Then the cup is gently lifted out while pulling the sides open. It's like a surgical procedure lol. Far as I can tell it has worked well and they just keep on growing. No transplant shock to speak of. I have no more room to up-pot any more. There are 73 gallon pots now and 52 still in solo cups. Out of those 52 single nodes in cups, 17 showing leaf and roots and the rest are still a waiting game. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ChrisK

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Posted 1422711646	Reply with quote #212

Good morning Charlie. Wow you're aproaching Bass territory there . Can you post a pic of the one gal. Figdom please? __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Charlie

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Posted 1422715891	Reply with quote #213

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisK Good morning Charlie. Wow you're aproaching Bass territory there . Can you post a pic of the one gal. Figdom please? Good morning Chris. Here you go. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

PepperMan

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Posted 1422717166	Reply with quote #214

Nice job Charlie, great thread. __________________ Chad New Jersey, Zone 6B Wish List: Col de Dame Gris, Col de Dame Noir. I have small trees for trade starting in May! PM me if interested.

rcantor

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Posted 1422717486	Reply with quote #215

All you have to do is get 24x36 resin shelves and hang 2) 2 tube T8 (or T5 if you can afford them :- ) shop lights from the shelf above. Gallon pots work great in that type of set up. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1422721825	Reply with quote #216

Charlie, Your wife is an angel! I hardly can imagine doing this in my house. Great job! __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

COGardener

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Posted 1422724568	Reply with quote #217

Charlie, I've lost track of how many cultivars you are growing, and what your total number of cuttings this year is. Which brings me to the need to count mine, I'm going to build an excel spreadsheet to keep better track of what I have and what stage they are at. Then i can use it to compare notes, time lines and success rates.

joann1536

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Posted 1422725076	Reply with quote #218

Quote: Originally Posted by COGardener Charlie, I've lost track of how many cultivars you are growing, and what your total number of cuttings this year is. Which brings me to the need to count mine, I'm going to build an excel spreadsheet to keep better track of what I have and what stage they are at. Then i can use it to compare notes, time lines and success rates. That's what I've done, and it really help me track when I started rooting them, when I up-potted, etc. __________________ USDA Zone 9b Wish list: Abruzzi, Pasquale, Tagliacozzo, Zingarella, Godfather. Any unk Italian, especially from Abruzzo.

COGardener

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Posted 1422725528	Reply with quote #219

I have everything written on the label for each cutting, however, having a spreadsheet with all the info in one place well be very nice. Beats have to look at the label to see where i am for time.

ChrisK

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Posted 1422748472	Reply with quote #220

The figdom looks great Charlie , thanks for sharing! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Charlie

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Posted 1439604677	Reply with quote #221

Been awhile and there was some talk awhile back, wondering how these would do in a season. Well here is a good representation pic... We had a lot of rain and flooding in the Spring. All the gallon potted plants I kept (didn't take to fig trial) were set on top of a raised bed full of composted wood chips and leaf litter to keep them elevated. My yard was like a swamp all Spring. One day it got hot and stayed hot. Nearly lost them all in the space of a few days with the sun shining on the black pots, they lost all their leaves. I was sick and so I buried all of them pots into the wood chips. They came back to life and put on new growth and leaves. This is pretty much how all of them look, anywhere from 12 - 24 inches tall and a few trying to make figs. Along the way I gave them composted rabbit manure and some diy liquid milorganite lol. They seem to like it. Issue now is all of them are anchored as roots have gone into the soil under the wood chip pile. I have to wait until they go dormant to move them, or do air layers now. I am going to do a few tomorrow for sure but not on these. I would say the whole single node thing was a success for getting a lot of plants, though I lost most all the rare ones back in the fungus gnat/ spider mite ordeal. No BM, no GN, no MF. :( I'll never do it again. Stick with multi nodes from now on and bury them under composted stuff in the fall out in the yard and forget it until spring. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ema

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Posted 1439612837	Reply with quote #222

This was such an informative read. I've started rooting cuttings for the first recently, and the thread has really been an eye opener for me. Thanks for sharing. __________________ USDA Zone 8B - PNW Growing: Desert King, Olympian, Vern's Brown Turkey, Lattarula, Gillette, Sucrette, Norman's Yellow, Dauphine, Nordland, Dan's Favorite, Petit Negra, Stella, Brooklyn White..

jdsfrance

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Posted 1439629981	Reply with quote #223

Hi Charlie, That experience was a nice one. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you wouldn't do it again ? Is it just because you don't need that many trees ? Because those trees are smaller for now ? other reasons ? What did you end up doing with so many trees ? __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

Charlie

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Posted 1439636393	Reply with quote #224

Quote: Originally Posted by jdsfrance Hi Charlie, That experience was a nice one. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you wouldn't do it again ? Is it just because you don't need that many trees ? Because those trees are smaller for now ? other reasons ? What did you end up doing with so many trees ? It was very stressful. Looking back, if I were to do it again I would start out with gallon size and skip the bowls and cups and only as many as I had room for. Bit off more than I could chew. Half or so of the survivors went to the fig trial I have a thread on here and the other half stayed in my yard to play with since the fig trial is some miles away and I don't have access to the grounds except on Saturday mornings. I can do air layers here and help them by replacing lost trees with other varieties until they are all tested and either die or survive our climate. I will probably keep some in containers to be shuffled in and out like everyone else does. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

JohnnyD

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Posted 1439639123	Reply with quote #225

Very nice pics! Great ideas I'll have to try it.

Charlie

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Posted 1440208286	Reply with quote #226

Said I wouldn't again but now am thinking maybe. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

nycfig

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Posted 1440208747	Reply with quote #227

I enjoyed this thread very much Charlie. Thank you for the update. __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

jdsfrance

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Posted 1440253624	Reply with quote #228

Hi Charlie, The fig bug bit you once more :) __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

Charlie

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Posted 1440259807	Reply with quote #229

Quote: Originally Posted by jdsfrance Hi Charlie, The fig bug bit you once more :) If everyone would stop posting pics of juicy ripe figs dad gummit... __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rcantor

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Posted 1440275725	Reply with quote #230

You might not collect hundreds of single node cuttings but you can grow out any super skinny or tiny cuttings you do happen to come by. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Charlie

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Posted 1440283530 · Edited	Reply with quote #231

Quote: Originally Posted by rcantor You might not collect hundreds of single node cuttings but you can grow out any super skinny or tiny cuttings you do happen to come by. There's one large Brunswick bush I get to trim this fall for a lady and there will be hundreds of nodes to play with. Might just give one to everybody in town. Bob I will be also wanting a bunch of Hardy Chicago. There's a giant locally but I think he wants to keep everything. Are you going to have a bunch to get rid of this year? __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Jerry_M

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Posted 1440420741	Reply with quote #232

Great read. Thanks for all the hard work you put in on this. __________________ Jerry Canyon Lake, TX 8b Wanted: Cajun Gold, Louisiana Honey, Schar Israel-114 grams

Charlie

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Posted 1442026428	Reply with quote #233

These are the survivors of the single node experiment and all are doing well either here or at the fig trial. Red Libya Sicilian White Vasilika Sika Atreano Gold Galbun Paradiso JM Peter’s Honey Petite Negri Nero 600 Unk Sweet Diane Atreano Magnolia Unk Orangeburg Purple Melanzana Gino’s Black Mead Beall Celeste Smith DK Portuguese Dominick Heirloom Italian Armando Family Fav Benson Hurst purple Peachy Pleamon My Special Celeste LSU Champagne Norman's Yellow MSVS Black Unk Lake Spur Hardy Chicago 143-36 Emerald Strawberry Armenian Small Eye Var. (multi 3 node buried horizontally that prompted the single node experiment) Texas BA-1 __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rcantor

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Posted 1442107921	Reply with quote #234

I should have lots of HC cuttings to send out :) __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Charlie

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Posted 1442108740	Reply with quote #235

Quote: Originally Posted by rcantor I should have lots of HC cuttings to send out :) Good. I will probably be your best customer. Really want to get a bunch of them going here asap for a variety of reasons. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

larryl

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Posted 1442181402	Reply with quote #236

Will you put up a video the process, like a how to especially the beginning. larry __________________ Larry Sierra Vista,Az Zone 8b____________ wish list: Black Madeira, Black Ishia,Italian258,Maltese Falcon,Maltese Beauty,Fico Preto,Galicia Negri,Black mission,dwarf peach tree.

Charlie

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Posted 1442181614	Reply with quote #237

Quote: Originally Posted by larryl Will you put up a video the process, like a how to especially the beginning. larry No thanks, sorry, no! :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ThaiFig

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Posted 1448200440	Reply with quote #238

OK Charlie, now see what you got me doing? These are 2 nodes (just hedging my bets). They're laying in dry rice husk over saturated cocopeat. The tops of the cups are closed to retain moisture. The water evaporates from the cocopeat and keeps the air at 100% humidy, or nearly so. I can bottom irrigate if I see the cocopeat is drying out. Attached Images FB_IMG_1448200022889.jpg (75.47 KB, 25 views) __________________ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009030195236 Wish list: Bourjasotte Grise Dark Portugese Granthams Royal Hollier Hative D’Argenteuil Smith Black Triana

Charlie

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Posted 1448216553	Reply with quote #239

Quote: Originally Posted by ThaiFig OK Charlie, now see what you got me doing? These are 2 nodes (just hedging my bets). They're laying in dry rice husk over saturated cocopeat. The tops of the cups are closed to retain moisture. The water evaporates from the cocopeat and keeps the air at 100% humidy, or nearly so. I can bottom irrigate if I see the cocopeat is drying out. Cool. I think 2 nodes is better. Watch out for mold with the closed cups. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ThaiFig

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Posted 1448224408	Reply with quote #240

Yes, I know there's a risk that they will still get mold, even though I sterilized the media. But rice husk doesn't wick moisture up from the cocopeat. So the cuttings will not get wet, except from condensation. Once they develop roots, I'll ventilate the caps. This is not the only way I'm trying to root cuttings, but it was this thread that gave me the idea to try this. Thanks for the inspiration! __________________ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009030195236 Wish list: Bourjasotte Grise Dark Portugese Granthams Royal Hollier Hative D’Argenteuil Smith Black Triana

Charlie

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Posted 1448235562	Reply with quote #241

Quote: Originally Posted by ThaiFig Yes, I know there's a risk that they will still get mold, even though I sterilized the media. But rice husk doesn't wick moisture up from the cocopeat. So the cuttings will not get wet, except from condensation. Once they develop roots, I'll ventilate the caps. This is not the only way I'm trying to root cuttings, but it was this thread that gave me the idea to try this. Thanks for the inspiration! You're very welcome and deserve success just for reading the entire thread lol. So you're trying to root based on only humidity? Interesting and I look forward to your results. :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ThaiFig

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Posted 1448242181 · Edited	Reply with quote #242

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie You're very welcome and deserve success just for reading the entire thread lol. So you're trying to root based on only humidity? Interesting and I look forward to your results. :) Hah hah the thread was very interesting, even if it did make me a bit envious of your success. Here the high ambient temperatures and amount of fungal spores have so far defeated me. Hence my attempt to begin rooting using only high ambient humidity, in a closed environment, with relatively sterile media. No idea if it will work out, but I'm using fresh cuttings from my own plants so no tragedy if it fails again... __________________ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009030195236 Wish list: Bourjasotte Grise Dark Portugese Granthams Royal Hollier Hative D’Argenteuil Smith Black Triana

DomGardens

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Posted 1476724930	Reply with quote #243

Hey Charlie, Could you update us on this project? Very interesting! Thanks, Dom __________________ Dom Figventory Spreadsheet @DomGardens domgardensitaly@gmail.com 609-457-6825

Charlie

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Posted 1476747726	Reply with quote #244

Quote: Originally Posted by DomGardens Hey Charlie, Could you update us on this project? Very interesting! Thanks, Dom Nothing has changes since the last update, all that survived the winter were doing fine at that point. Have gotten a lot of figs off many of them this year, made and gave away many air layers from them. Now we're perfecting single node air layering. That's really neat. :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

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Posted 1476749457	Reply with quote #245

Bump __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

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