Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca

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RichinNJ

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Posted 1418210160 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca Col de Dame Noir and Coll de Dama Negra Are these French and Spanish varieties the same variety or different?

RichinNJ

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Posted 1418218832	Reply with quote #2

Updated.. fixed an error in naming.

Speedmaster

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Posted 1418223167	Reply with quote #3

I think they are the same. I think it is Spanish? __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

jkuo

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Posted 1418225448	Reply with quote #4

Well, the names are certainly similar enough to suggest they are. France and Spain are close enough that it wouldn't be surprising if the varieties migrated and just kept the same [translated] name. On another note, seeing "coll" throws off my admittedly very rusty Spanish. I don't think I've ever seen a Spanish word end in a double L. Is it short of "collar" or something? __________________ Johnny - Lancaster, PA, Zone 6b Plants I'm growing: Google Doc

Speedmaster

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Posted 1418226057 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

I think it mdans neck of the Lady? Collar de Dama? Cuello? Col de dame is French. Cuello de dama is Spanish. Neck of the lady is English. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

HarveyC

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Posted 1418226822	Reply with quote #6

They are the same varieties. MP lists them as synonyms in his book. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

RichinNJ

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Posted 1418228830	Reply with quote #7

Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC They are the same varieties. MP lists them as synonyms in his book. Perfect..Thanks Harvey

waynea

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Posted 1418253618	Reply with quote #8

Interesting thread, thanks Rich for starting the thread and the other members for clarity, I am learning and really appreciate these type of threads.

RichinNJ

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Posted 1418254174	Reply with quote #9

Quote: Originally Posted by waynea Interesting thread, thanks Rich for starting the thread and the other members for clarity, I am learning and really appreciate these type of threads. You're welcome

scott_ga

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Posted 1418260630	Reply with quote #10

Check out Axier's website (http://www.galgoni.com/ENG/Fotos_Maxi/014.htm) for more informationand nice pictures. It also includes other alternative names "As curious interesting observations are made by Mann: the name Bouankirk signifies “long neck.” The Kabyles (North Africa) also designate the variety by the names D’Abouch Takli, “breast of a negress,” and Abgait. It is widely grown in North Africa, but on account of thickness of skin it is not dried commercially. " __________________ Scott North Georgia Zone 7b

Axier

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Posted 1418302150 · Edited	Reply with quote #11

Scott, thanks for making me author of that web site :-), but I am not. That web site is of Xon2000, an old member of figs4fun. For those with doubts, Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca, Col de Dame Noir and Coll de Dama Negra are the same variety. "Col de Dame" is the French name and "Coll de Dama" is the Catalan name, not the Spanish name, because it is a Catalan and Balearic variety. "Col", "Coll", and "Cuello" are the respectives names in French, Catalan and Spanish. Don't confound with "Cuello de Dama Blanca" it is a completely different spanish variety: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280377459&postcount=15 __________________ Axier Basque Country Z9

RichinNJ

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Posted 1418307668 · Edited	Reply with quote #12

Quote: Originally Posted by Axier Scott, thanks for making me author of that web site :-), but I am not. That web site is of Xon2000, an old member of figs4fun. For those with doubts, Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca, Col de Dame Noir and Coll de Dama Negra are the same variety. "Col de Dame" is the French name and "Coll de Dama" is the Catalan name, not the Spanish name, because it is a Catalan and Balearic variety. "Col", "Coll", and "Cuello" are the respectives names in French, Catalan and Spanish. Don't confound with "Cuello de Dama Blanca" it is a completely different spanish variety: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280377459&postcount=15 The next question is "Do you like the Coll de Dama Blanca and Negra?" Some people I have talked to locally say they are "..awesome..." but I have read on some sites that its only "..good.." tasting. What do you think? Do they really taste the same?

Axier

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Posted 1418308906 · Edited	Reply with quote #13

IMHO, Coll de Dama is the king of figs. A well ripened Coll de Dama is the best. Unfortunately, it is a very late fig and it is difficult in my climate to get a well ripened one. CDD Blanca and Negra are similar. __________________ Axier Basque Country Z9

scott_ga

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Posted 1418345664 · Edited	Reply with quote #14

My apologies to Xon2000, it's a great site and thanks for educating us Axier. I really like Col de Dame's berry taste and birds here tend to leave it alone as it doesn't look ripe. Needs a long season and so far is a shy bearer here. But in late October, there are not many ripe figs but it and Black Madeira. Scott __________________ Scott North Georgia Zone 7b

RichinNJ

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Posted 1418346894	Reply with quote #15

Quote: Originally Posted by Axier IMHO, Coll de Dama is the king of figs. A well ripened Coll de Dama is the best. Unfortunately, it is a very late fig and it is difficult in my climate to get a well ripened one. CDD Blanca and Negra are similar. Thanks

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