Question on branches of Martinenca Rimada

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HarveyC

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Posted 1423774584	Reply with quote #1

For those that have this variety, can you please tell me if your branches have stripes somewhat similar to Panache? I have a couple of them and they have stripes but someone from Taiwan was chatting with me on Facebook about one on eBay and I noticed it doesn't have any stripes. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rcantor

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Posted 1423774983	Reply with quote #2

I asked this a while back because of a photo on ebay and everyone who answered said that the bark is striped but it's not as easy to see as on the Panache. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

andreas

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Posted 1423775078	Reply with quote #3

Harvey if you look at the topic that bass has with his tree you will see stripes... i hope this helps. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/striped-beauty-6060899?highlight=rimada&pid=1278795865#post1278795865 __________________ andreas-patras Patra Peloponnisos Greece zone..9a

HarveyC

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Posted 1423775392	Reply with quote #4

Yes, mine always have stripes, easier to see on youngest branches which is also the case in Panache, but the stripes are so far not as bright as what I often get on Panache. Still, I've not ever seen a branch where I didn't see the stripes fairly easily. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Dave

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Posted 1423775931 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

here's mine __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

IamKriya

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Posted 1423780820	Reply with quote #6

Harvey, it's my MR on ebay. Not sure how you concluded that it doesn't have any stripes because I did not post any close-up pics of it. I will post a clearer photo tonight, time willing. Fyi, mine came from Bass! __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

waynea

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Posted 1423784682	Reply with quote #7

And it looks like a good one to bid on!!

brianm

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Posted 1423792754	Reply with quote #8

Too bad no shipping to Ca. Im sure you would set a record lol __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

HarveyC

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Posted 1423797073	Reply with quote #9

Hi Ryan, okay, I see you're the seller. I concluded such because I could not see any stripes when I zoomed in. When moving mine around this morning I saw stripes very easily, thus the question. Okay? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

mnedelcu

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Posted 1423801169	Reply with quote #10

Yes,they(branches) are similar to Panache.

IamKriya

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Posted 1423832773	Reply with quote #11

Ok, here are a few pics I took this morning. I hope they're stripes enough... On a side note, Harvey, please PM me first before you make a public statement like you did. I would really appreciate that! It's not like you did not know it was me who's got the MR on eBay right now because you have wished me luck in the past, congratulated me on a I-258 sale, etc. And, I have on my description my figs4fun ID. As a fellow eBay seller, I'm pretty sure you would understand where I'm coming from. If it wasn't for a few caring and loyal customers, I would not have known about your statement. Peace! Attached Images DSCF5112.jpg (431.69 KB, 79 views) DSCF5115.jpg (335.49 KB, 80 views) DSCF5114.jpg (311.71 KB, 64 views) __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

IamKriya

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Posted 1423832821	Reply with quote #12

My Panache, MR, and CdD Rimada all exhibit very similar striping but the fruits are different in shape. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

waynea

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Posted 1423834677	Reply with quote #13

Good photos Ryan, sorry you went through this, I have the utmost respect for your purchases, the source of your purchases and your sales. Good luck with your sales and good growing.

IamKriya

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Posted 1423837124	Reply with quote #14

Thanks, Waynea! __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

HarveyC

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Posted 1423848150	Reply with quote #15

Ryan, please PM me before making such public requests. :) I was speaking with an Thai customer and he brought it up and I looked and had similar concerns. I didn't even see who the seller was, there was nothing wrong with asking the question.You seem to be super sensitive about something. Your branches posted above look fine, thanks. Your plant looks nice. Since you've had fruit, you might want to post photos of that also (since you asked my advice about selling eBay). Good luck. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

IamKriya

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Posted 1423848941	Reply with quote #16

Take care, Harvey. Good luck to you as well. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

Dave

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Posted 1423849584	Reply with quote #17

I vote for a PM first if you have questions it would stop allot of the drama that plaques this site :-) __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

HarveyC

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Posted 1423850120	Reply with quote #18

I didn't think I was creating any drama, I asked a simple question. For some background, another member here once posted a photo of immature fruit of Martinenca Rimada that was not striped but he has since sold cuttings that were clearly striped, so I'm not sure what was going on there. Another former member received MP cuttings and one did not appear right, so this is a variety I've been watching closely. Nothing I wrote in my first post should be viewed as controversial! __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1423851229	Reply with quote #19

Are those pics of the mother tree? The node spacing indicates at least one pic shown is not of the tree in the auction... __________________ 7a, DE

IamKriya

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Posted 1423851723	Reply with quote #20

Yup, the last 2 are of the mother tree __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1423853201	Reply with quote #21

It is best to be up front about that sort of thing. The question was about the tree for sale after all. I can zoom in enough to see the tiny lenticels on the eBay pic but no sign of striping. Could you take some pics that can identify the actual plant? Such as the tips or the knobby part. __________________ 7a, DE

IamKriya

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Posted 1423854182	Reply with quote #22

I will have that by tomorrow. I finish work late tonight and will be dark by the time I get home. Ps, I simply forgot to note that the last 2 pics were of the mother tree. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1423870183	Reply with quote #23

The striping on the first is very apparent, it should be no problem to step back little bit and show more of the plant along with that same node. Is that the only striped section? . __________________ 7a, DE

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1423870343	Reply with quote #24

p.s. Make sure to take the photo from the same side, the lenticel pattern will match up exactly. __________________ 7a, DE

bernard

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Posted 1423875640	Reply with quote #25

Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC For those that have this variety, can you please tell me if your branches have stripes somewhat similar to Panache? I have a couple of them and they have stripes but someone from Taiwan was chatting with me on Facebook about one on eBay and I noticed it doesn't have any stripes. Just a question. You stated on your eBay "Attention Bidders, there has been a ash of what is believed to be fake / mislabeled fig cuttings being sold on eBay from numerous eBay seller IDs, some of whom have a high feedback score. I recommend before you bid on any fig auction, be it cuttings or plants, that you go to either http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/ or http://foodplace.info/Bountiful_Figs/index.php make a post and simply ask if XXXX seller on eBay is well known and reputable. This will protect you from paying good money for a variety and a year or two down the road discovering what you paid for is not what you received. It is simple easy insurance as nobody wants to feel cheated and by that point there is nothing you can do about it. If you are not currently a member, I suggest you sign up. It's quick and easy." Please answer clearly as it seems that you know a lot- should it be safe to bid on item in question?

brianm

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Posted 1423877756	Reply with quote #26

Bernard just chill we don't need to start questiong eachother especially the folks in this particular thread. It was simply a misunderstanding and everyone is chill now. Lets just move on his trees are legit. Now, who has cuttings of this rimada and can ship to CA? __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

IamKriya

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Posted 1423878044	Reply with quote #27

Hoosiebanana, please let me know if these photos work for you. Attached Images DSCF5122.JPG (523.70 KB, 54 views) DSCF5121.JPG (453.75 KB, 55 views) DSCF5120.JPG (388.02 KB, 48 views) __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

IamKriya

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Posted 1423878274	Reply with quote #28

This has been more stressful than my career and I'm in the healthcare field...lol. I'm sport about the whole thing if it is going to help ease people's minds. I am actually planning to take a video of some of my in-ground trees tomorrow since a lot of people have been asking about some of my trees and their surprise of how quickly the trees are growing. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

Dave

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Posted 1423878925 · Edited	Reply with quote #29

lol................. __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

IamKriya

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Posted 1423879333	Reply with quote #30

Lol...that's a good one. I needed that...thanks, Dave! __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

waynea

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Posted 1423883283	Reply with quote #31

Good photos Ryan, looking good.

HarveyC

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Posted 1423897791	Reply with quote #32

Quote: Originally Posted by bernard Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC For those that have this variety, can you please tell me if your branches have stripes somewhat similar to Panache? I have a couple of them and they have stripes but someone from Taiwan was chatting with me on Facebook about one on eBay and I noticed it doesn't have any stripes. Just a question. You stated on your eBay "Attention Bidders, there has been a ash of what is believed to be fake / mislabeled fig cuttings being sold on eBay from numerous eBay seller IDs, some of whom have a high feedback score. I recommend before you bid on any fig auction, be it cuttings or plants, that you go to either http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/ or http://foodplace.info/Bountiful_Figs/index.php make a post and simply ask if XXXX seller on eBay is well known and reputable. This will protect you from paying good money for a variety and a year or two down the road discovering what you paid for is not what you received. It is simple easy insurance as nobody wants to feel cheated and by that point there is nothing you can do about it. If you are not currently a member, I suggest you sign up. It's quick and easy." Please answer clearly as it seems that you know a lot- should it be safe to bid on item in question? Ryan has bought from and was a good buyer. I've never bought anything from Ryan and nobody has reported anything good or bad to me about Ryan as a seller. As I said, the tree came up in a discussion I was having with someone else and I thought my question was fairly simple since I've seen a couple of odd things with this variety before. I did not accuse the seller/Ryan of anything and am a bit surprised by all of this reaction. I suggest Ryan send me the tree for further review and comparison! Good video, Dave. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

IamKriya

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Posted 1423905937	Reply with quote #33

PM me, Harvey, and we can arrange it. I'd be happy to send you a tree or cuttings for the same price I had originally paid for the mother tree. Oh yeah, and shipping too, please. I do not want to get on anybody's bad side but, who do you think you are? As many of you know, my family and I have been blessed with some good auctions on ebay. Yes, we do have some special people in our society, but for the most part, most people would understand that when they have a good thing going it would not be wise to jeopardize long-term success for a quick buck. In other words, why would I want to ruin the potential of making more money in the long-term by making a few bucks now, cheating people and trashing my reputation. It just doesn't hold up to whatever it is I am, really and ultimately, being accused of. I've invested too much money, time, effort, and sacrificed too much family time to ruin a good thing now. And, I honestly have so much more to offer in the future that it would only make sense to maintain my excellent reputation. I have planted way too many fig trees to solely enjoy them for personal consumption. I have sold 2 other MRs on ebay. Both of those listings had 2 photos each (1 of the whole tree and 1 close-up). Noone questioned the authenticity of those 2 trees. Why would I, all of a sudden, have a change of mind and start selling fake ones? Harvey, just a few pointers for you so that you can be more credible in the future. - I know how closely you watch ebay fig auctions just based on my past experiences with you. There is just no way that you could not have known it was me who was selling the MR. Isn't checking who the seller is one of the first things we all look at on ebay? And, according to you, you went to "investigate" it for an overseas client. - Taiwan and Thailand are 2 completely countries. Keep your story consistent. Consistency = Honesty - There is more than enough to go around for everybody. One person's gain never means another person's loss as there are numerous ways to be blessed by life. I started becoming a happier camper when I started to be sincerely happy for other people's successes. I apologize if the last one rubs anyone the wrong way...no offense intended. Oh, and Harvey, please give me your zip code so I can give you an exact shipping price. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

HarveyC

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Posted 1423912750	Reply with quote #34

Ryan, you are acting very oddly. I have accused you of nothing. I did not "investigate" your tree. Someone mentioned from Thailand asked me about it late at night, just like now when it's 3am in the morning. (I've been hunting a big fig-eating rat that seems to love my most treasured fig cuttings!) Sorry, but I don't really memorize your ID either here or on eBay. My ID is pretty easy for me to figure out who I am if you really want to know "who I am". You only seem to be sensing some sort of attack against you and are apparently missing the background I mentioned (i.e., oddities noticed in this variety grown by others). Maybe when you've been growing figs for a bit longer you will have some sense that weird stuff happens. I did not offer to buy your tree! I thought it was pretty clear that when someone was asking me if I was safe to buy your tree that I was joking that you should send it to me for review. That comment was not being made to you but in response to someone who was asking me a question that I could hardly answer with any sort of authority from here in my chair 3,000 miles away. Go back and read my comments again and you will find I didn't accuse you of anything. Your reaction seems to be based on some perception rather than what I've said. I already wished you good luck, quit accusing me of some sort of attack that has not taken place. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

IamKriya

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Posted 1423916128	Reply with quote #35

Harvey, having extensive knowledge in Psychology has afforded me to understand people's intentions with their words and actions. A couple of months or so ago, Bass emailed me asking about my Galicia Negra. He mentioned that there were several customers/fellow fig growers who had approached him to verify the authenticity of my tree, and also that he and those others were surprised that I had had as many air layers as I did for having a young tree. And with being a Psychology geek and all, I have a strong confirmation that you are one of those people. Correct me and I apologize if I'm wrong but your whole intention is to discredit me. This is based on past knowledge gathered from me directly speaking with you and identifying your behavior patterns, and and others' impression of you. I have observed that you have a tendency to quickly judge others without any solid evidence and it is something that I have, unfortunately, associated with you. Sorry, it's probably not something you like to hear but it's my observation. So, putting Bass' email, my observations of you, others' impression of you, with your intention for this thread, I am 99.98% sure of my conclusion. As a quick and obvious example, notice how you added an unnecessary and cheap comment on the 7th line of your last post. Again, as a Psychology geek, a comment like that registers as someone who feels insecure and feels the need to be right in order to feel better about himself/herself even if they do not have concrete evidence to support their position. Today, I intend to shoot a video of it just to prove to you, Bass, and whoever else cares to know that you don't need a gigantic tree to produce lots of air layers. *Bass, I am not calling you out, just so you know. I am excited, actually, to show you how the trees you sent me are doing. Also, do you not remember that I also bought 2 young Galicia Negras from you? One of them died, remember? And your reply after I mentioned it to you was something like, "I knew I should not have sent out a young tree with an unestablished root system." I am not mentioning that to call you out because had I really wanted you to replace it, I would've asked you there and then. I let it go at post #16. I am again ready to let it go now, Harvey. My wife needs help with the kids and I've been spending too much time defending myself to a non-authority (no offense intended, but it's simply the truth). Can we move on? I don't want to dance this dance anymore, sir. Life, perspectively, is too short. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

HarveyC

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Posted 1423916379	Reply with quote #36

Quote: Originally Posted by IamKriya Hoosiebanana, please let me know if these photos work for you. Ryan, since this is bothering you quite a bit, it seems, I looked at these photos and I think it looks okay. It looks like your branches are immature and probably just not developing stripes yet but that branch on the bottom does show the striping and it's just not that obvious. I looked at your two other auctions for Martinenca Rimada and the striping in those is very easy to see. I wonder if it's because the time of year when they grew or what the cause might be (i.e., current plant branches look like they might not be lignified). I have a few of these and just haven't observed that in mine or in photos of others. That is all. Your stripes are there, they just aren't as obvious as your others or the ones I have. At this point I'm growing for planting, not selling, so no competition from me. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

IamKriya

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Posted 1423916485	Reply with quote #37

I do apologize if I misunderstood your comment about having the tree sent to you for review. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

HarveyC

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Posted 1423916526	Reply with quote #38

Ryan, please practice your psychology on someone else because you're missing the mark and are being offensive. I already moved on, or tried to.... __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

IamKriya

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Posted 1423916891	Reply with quote #39

Then it's settled. Peace, love, and health to you, my fig friend. I am being sincere. __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

HarveyC

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Posted 1423917081	Reply with quote #40

I truly wish you the best, Ryan. I am curious about many things and ask questions in hopes to learn more. Hope we've both learned something. Happy Valentine's Day! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

waynea

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Posted 1423917710	Reply with quote #41

Two good people and great figsters coming together for what's best for them, best for us, and most important... what's best for the forum. That's what this forum is all about...having healthy discussions and taking in knowledge in all aspects of growing figs.

musillid

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Posted 1423921940	Reply with quote #42

'I started becoming a happier camper when I started to be sincerely happy for other people's successes.' I had a friend once who told me about his great good fortune. I told him that I was really pleased and happy about his find. He hung his head and replied that he was just trying to make me mad in retaliation for something I said. We both grew a little that day. Hope you guys have sorted it out. Life is too short. __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

Rewton

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Posted 1423922762 · Edited	Reply with quote #43

For what it's worth, I have traded with Ryan and had an excellent experience. The plant I received, by all appearances, is true to type. I already have a Martinenca Rimada but if I wanted one, and didn't mind spending the cash, I would have no second thoughts about bidding on the one Ryan is selling. On the other hand, I don't think Harvey's question was unreasonable or that he had any bad intent by asking it. I am actually very interested in this issue as the striping on my MR is also rather subtle so it is interesting to compare to what others are observing. I don't have a problem with forum members selling figs (and have dabbled a bit with ebay sales myself) but it does seem that things become more complicated, and the stakes higher, when there is money involved. Anyway, glad the two of you worked things out. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

IamKriya

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Posted 1423923490	Reply with quote #44

Thank you for the kind words, Rewton! __________________ Zone 9a, Central Florida "Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi ebay ID: churl82

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