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Has anyone received their cuttings or has anyone heard when they will be shipping?
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no i have not and have heard no inform on shipping date either
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I have, details are in my 2015 Douglassville thread...
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They shipped my pomegranate cuttings yesterday.
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Congratulations James! 

Will you be grafting or rooting the pomegranate cuttings?
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Rooting.  I only have one pomegranate tree in Colorado.  The rest are in the ground in Texas.
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I have, details are in my 2015 Douglassville thread...


Huh. I guess they will get to me eventually. I never gave them shipping account info. Do they ask for that at some point?
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Rooting.  I only have one pomegranate tree in Colorado.  The rest are in the ground in Texas.
Good luck with them.
Do pomegranate root readily or do you need special procedure?
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Mine shipped today. Aaron, you may get stiffed, if you don't give them an account you may be out of luck. Are you interested in any Panachee, I will probably be giving them away. If so PM me.
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Mine shipped today. Aaron, you may get stiffed, if you don't give them an account you may be out of luck. Are you interested in any Panachee, I will probably be giving them away. If so PM me.


They never asked for it. They email you that it will be shipped. Do they ask then? I do have a Panachee thanks anyway.
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Aaron, you were supposed to put your account number in the comments field. They may email you though...
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Aaron, you were supposed to put your account number in the comments field. They may email you though...


My first time...I guess I missed that. I just emailed Mary, she's been very helpful. Thanks for the heads up.
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Thanks for the heads-up, I'm waiting on Gold Manukka Grape cuttings.
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If I recall correctly, they took about 3 months to finish shipping all orders last year.  Patience is a virtue! :)
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The lovely Mary was kind enough to email me last year as my shipping account number was incorrect. Maybe she will help you with that Aaron.
You can email her with that info
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Yippee  I got email  they are shipping my order next week.     This is my first time with UCD and I didn't think I would make it.   I am so excited.    Hope everyone hears from them soon. :)
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Yippee  I got email  they are shipping my order next week.     This is my first time with UCD and I didn't think I would make it.   I am so excited.    Hope everyone hears from them soon. :)


When did you place your order?
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Danny, I placed 2 orders, one on 11/5/13 and one in April of last year.
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I placed my order the last week of January, received acknowledgment they had received Feb. 2.  
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I placed orders on 01/19/14 and 10/29/14 and haven't received anything.  Fedex account and CC up to date and active.
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Pino,

I root my pomegranate cuttings the same way I root fig cuttings.  Usually, I have both in the same bins.  The big difference in rooting the two is the pomegranates are slower to grow roots and the roots are thinner, but then the limbs are thinner as well.  I generally have better success with pomegranates than figs.
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Pino,

I root my pomegranate cuttings the same way I root fig cuttings.  Usually, I have both in the same bins.  The big difference in rooting the two is the pomegranates are slower to grow roots and the roots are thinner, but then the limbs are thinner as well.  I generally have better success with pomegranates than figs.
Thanks for that James!
Cold hardy pomegranates are on my to get list!
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From NCGR Davis Services Page:
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Orders for dormant cuttings or budwood must be received by November 1st, and are shipped in March-April.
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Approximately how much does shipping cost?

Around $5?

Around $15?

Around $40?

Surely lots of people know, but I've never seen this info posted.  If you've ordered from them before, how much did you pay for shipping?
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I always specified ground (about 12 bucks), but last two years they sent it 2nd day ($35 ish). Without specification, 2nd day has been their default. Perhaps now is there only option.
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Thanks James.

I specified ground, too, and may cancel my order.  Free CdDB cuttings isn't really a good deal if $35 shipping gets added in.
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Thanks James.
I specified ground, too, and may cancel my order.  Free CdDB cuttings isn't really a good deal if $35 shipping gets added in.

I believe that ordering the cuttings because they are free is an abuse of the system. Basically, you're asking U.S. taxpayers as a whole to pay the labor costs.

On the cutting request form, there is a box you fill out regarding intended purpose. If you're lying about use in order to obtain a free cutting, this is fraud and I wonder about your credibility overall.

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We ask that a statement concerning the intended use for the germplasm be provided by the requester. Timely, seasonal requests, from bona fide researchers are given first priority. Requesters seeking plant material for a germplasm exchange or because NCGR is the sole source are filled next. Other requests are honored as plant material is available.


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Thanks James.
I specified ground, too, and may cancel my order.  Free CdDB cuttings isn't really a good deal if $35 shipping gets added in.

I believe that ordering the cuttings because they are free is an abuse of the system. Basically, you're asking U.S. taxpayers as a whole to pay the labor costs.

On the cutting request form, there is a box you fill out regarding intended purpose. If you're lying about use in order to obtain a free cutting, this is fraud and I wonder about your credibility overall.

From the NCGR Davis website:
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Distribution Priorities

We ask that a statement concerning the intended use for the germplasm be provided by the requester. Timely, seasonal requests, from bona fide researchers are given first priority. Requesters seeking plant material for a germplasm exchange or because NCGR is the sole source are filled next. Other requests are honored as plant material is available.


WOW Richard, wth?  I thought we were friends??  That's a pretty rude way to talk to someone you've known for years, especially one you've known to be upstanding at all times.

Do you realize you're making an egregious failure of logic by jumping from 'James doesn't want to pay $35 for shipping for CdDB' to 'therefore I'm going to propose that the only reason James ordered the cuttings was because they were free, that he was defrauding the system, and that he deserves to have his credibility questioned'.  That is a hateful non sequitur on your part, and it's a jump in thinking that I'm very disappointed to see from you.

I'm well aware that there was a box for telling them my intended use, and I filled it out in a 100% truthful way.  I'll leave it up to them to decide if it's a worthy purpose, and I'll kindly ask you to refrain from launching any further unfounded attacks on my character.  My not wanting to pay $35 in 2nd day shipping for some CdDB cuttings does not in any way undercut or invalidate my proposed intended use, and it's wrong of you to make such a nonsensical and accusatory leap to the contrary.  You are way out of line here. 

Here is my submission for intended use of material:

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        I live in Kansas and have been experimenting with growing figs in 3 different ways: in-ground outside (buried over winter); in-ground in an unheated semi-pit tunnel greenhouse; and planted in gravel in a very large high tunnel aquaponics system.

        My research focus has been on developing methods and choosing suitable plants/fish for growing year-round in Kansas despite our harsh winters.  My motivation was initially to feed my Type 2 diabetic father with fresh food year-round, but the scope of my project has now expanded into trying to feed my entire community year-round.

        I maintain a website at http://www.GreenFinGardens.com where I have documented my progress over the past 5 years.  I will continue to share what I learn with both my local community and other interested persons/institutions from around the country.  I have given many tours to teachers, professors, students, and farmers, and will continue to do so.  Next month, for example, the Kansas Farmers Union has requested a tour and will be bringing over 40 professional farmers to learn from me.  (people are always amazed that I'm able to mass produce tilapia and successfully fruit bananas and figs in our climate for very little cost)

        Please note that I am not a professional nursery and do not sell plants or fruit.  I make my living as a fish farmer and sell fish through my website, but not figs.  The cuttings you send me are for private use and for helping me to learn which varieties do best in my various food production systems, both for my own benefit and so I can make good recommendations to others who wish to create their own year-round food production systems in climates similar to mine.

        Thank you for taking the time to read this and for sharing your cuttings,

        James XXXXXXXXX
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Our tax dollars are always spent beyond our control, I am retired and still paid over $19,000, last year, in income taxes alone, so I think I have paid a little more than what the cuttings are worth, including labor. I do not mind paying a little extra for shipping, I believe their method of shipping does not vary because doing the same for everyone saves time, and their service is deserving of saving time. I agree that $35 is too much for 2-3 cuttings and I would look elsewhere, but if you requested a dozen or so varieties, 3 cuttings each variety, then $35 is a good deal. As far as being truthful on purpose of request, all I said is that I want to see how each variety grows in Florida by using different methods and share my results with other fig growers, NO FRAUD because that is exactly what I have done and so have other members on this forum. I believe that ARS/USDA at UCD got most of their trees from gifts or confiscation, so this is sort of pay forward like members of this forum are practicing. So members, don't let anyone make you feel guilty of getting "free cuttings" from ARS/USDA, as a taxpayer I say....have at it.
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I hate to see another blow up in the forum,and I hate even more to get in the middle of it.  I do think you two are looking at it from different perspectives. 

The distribution of cuttings (at least to the level of sending to the general public) is beyond the budget of the germplasm repositories.  I do not know all the details concerning their scope of work, but the staff that cuts, bundles, packages and sends out cuttings is the same staff that does research, publishes findings, maintains the plant material, disseminate information, etc.  There is no dedicated staff for the process of distribution.  I'm sure now that the word is out in the forums (not just figs, but all forums related to plant materials), the repositories budgets have been strained.  This is especially true since so many post indicate the plant materials are "free"  They are not free, rather they are heavily subsidized by other taxpayers.  If it were a commercial nursery making the offer, there would be a charge to cover land, water, fertilizers, labor, risk, owners profit, etc.  To be sure, there are some repositories that will not send plant material to individuals... only to institutions where research is being done and/or for commercial purposes.

To me it is worth including an account number to be billed for shipping. Many of the pomegranate cuttings I ordered this year aren't available elsewhere.  To others it might not be worth it.  It is like the myriad of decisions we make every day.  If it is of value, pay the price.  If it is not what you intended, opt out.  
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I didn't place an order this year, and may never order again (don't need much anymore), but I find what they send, for all the work they do, an incredible deal!  I mostly order grapevine cuttings.  Our vineyard is pretty much ALL from UC Davis.  I order figs, and I have two pomegranates from them.  I appreciate what they do, and I'm pretty happy with the amount of figs and wine grapes we have growing on site, so unless it's a "must" have, I probably won't order again.

You do pay costs for shipping and handling.  I forgot the olive cuttings I ordered.  OMG!  I opened my first order and it smelled like heaven!  I have never been disappointed from my UC Davis orders.

With Ebay, you WILL pay huge prices for bidding wars PLUS outrageous shipping.  You decide.

If a seller does not have a "Buy it now" price.  I'm out.  Refuse to get into those bidding wars.

I, for one, appreciate all UC Davis has done for me and my web friends, and the wonderful condition in which the cuttings arrive.

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I think everything you just said is already known by the relevant parties in this thread, James.

The only problem in this thread is Richard jumping in and rudely insinuating that I'm defrauding the system (which is laughably and demonstrably untrue, as I could not possibly have been any more transparent in my order submission request) and that I'm of questionable credibility just because of my second thoughts upon learning how expensive shipping might be.

I figured shipping was going to be somewhere in the $6-$15 range (since $6.10 is most I've ever paid for shipping on cuttings), but if to my surprise they're only going to offer the $35 shipping option, then that's too rich for my budget at the moment, so it would be reasonable for me to politely bow out, cancel my order, and keep looking for less expensive CdDB cuttings via other routes.  I don't think I should be attacked for that.
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I think almost all of us appreciate UC Davis/USDA, Suzi.

Just to be clear, the fact that I'm having a budgetary pinch right now and can't reasonably afford to pay $35 for shipping does not imply (not even in the slightest) that I don't appreciate those workers.  I do appreciate them, and I'm fine with paying for standard shipping, it's just that 2nd day shipping is too much for my budget right now.
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I don't think it's Blanket $35.  They have charged me $15, $29, $45 over the years.  Depends what you order and what it weighs.  Order less, pay less.  Editing this to say, if you are really having a budgetary pinch, maybe you should cancel your order.  Members here might be able to gift you for free the cuttings you wish.

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I was a bit surprised last year by the 78$ charge for shipping , but they did send it next day. 
I did place another request this year as I am working on starting an orchard for the local school system and teaching the children about rooting and growing all manner of plants.
I think that this is a wonderful thing, otherwise these cutting would just go to waste as the trees need pruning no matter what and when talking with Dr Johnson at LSU I know that he at least uses it as credits for some of his grad students. 
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cut the drama


  no i think it started at post 13.
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That's a pretty rude way to talk to someone you've known for years, especially one you've known to be upstanding at all times.

Do you realize you're making an egregious failure of logic by jumping from 'James doesn't want to pay $35 for shipping for CdDB' to 'therefore I'm going to propose that the only reason James ordered the cuttings was because they were free, that he was defrauding the system, and that he deserves to have his credibility questioned'

I didn't make that jump, and I don't believe James did either.
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cut the drama

Exactly.

If you want a better understanding of my viewpoint, then go to Wolfskill and meet with the staff from NCGR Davis. I've been there many times.
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I've posted this before but will post it again for sake of clearing things up here (hopefully).

John Preece, the research director at Davis, told a rather large group (100-150) of the general public at a fig and grape tasting last August that they are happy to provide the material to all researchers, including those who do so in their back yard.  wink, wink.  Or something to that effect.  He made it very clear that everyone was welcome to order material from them.

Some repositories have different standards.  The Davis repository is very accommodating.  They even send staff to help assist in grafting demonstrations at our local CRFG chapter.  They are swell folks.
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John Preece, the research director at Davis, told a rather large group (100-150) of the general public at a fig and grape tasting last August that they are happy to provide the material to all researchers, including those who do so in their back yard.  wink, wink.  Or something to that effect.  He made it very clear that everyone was welcome to order material from them.


'Wink, wink' indeed. :) The Davis repository knows exactly who is asking for figs and other cuttings and why. In fact they probably get a chuckle reading some of the requests - as we all would. If they thought they were being put upon or unfairly taken advantage of, they would have found a way to stop being as accommodating years ago.

Most plant people, regardless of their positions, like to help other plant people. Look at all the help people get on the various fig/plant boards.
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The Davis repository knows exactly who is asking for figs and other cuttings and why

There's no ambiguity here. The Davis website openly states:
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We ask that a statement concerning the intended use for the germplasm be provided by the requester. Timely, seasonal requests, from bona fide researchers are given first priority. Requesters seeking plant material for a germplasm exchange or because NCGR is the sole source are filled next. Other requests are honored as plant material is available.


Gina, I believe you are talking about "other requests". Folks in that category should not wonder (or complain!) about delayed distribution of materials. For myself, I have perused the inventories of 5 different NCGR sites and introduced two new cultivars to the broader nursery trade.

My point is: if a cultivar of interest is already available from reliable sources, why would anyone tax an NCGR site with the labor of providing a free cutting?



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I don't care how much tax dollars you paid. Honesty is priceless.

What dishonesty?  Who has been dishonest?  In what way was I even remotely dishonest?

You are hallucinating here, Richard.  You are casting unfounded aspersions.  You made wrong and incendiary assumptions based on a dearth of facts and jumped to invalid conclusions.  All of which could have been avoided if you had just pm'd me from the start with your devious suspicions, rather than casting aspersions at me in a public forum. 

Seriously, no friend behaves the way you've behaved in this thread.  I'm sickened at your current behavior.  Your attack in this thread has been very hurtful, and I'm amazed that you would throw away our friendship so easily and in such as stupid way. 

You're not being heroic at all, you're just being a delusional jerk.

I have proven that I wasn't dishonest to USDA/UC-Davis by posting my entire proposal for intended use; it's time for you to admit you were wrong and apologize.
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My point is: if a cultivar of interest is already available from reliable sources, why would anyone tax an NCGR site with the labor of providing a free cutting?

If that really is your point, then why didn't you just ask that earlier instead of getting sleazy and casting unfounded aspersions of dishonesty and fraud at me?

I've been trying to get CdDB for almost 3 years.  It's hard to get here in Kansas.  Cuttings rarely come available, and the few times I've seen them, the bidding war has gone far out of my range.  I'm not the kind of person to start pm'ing folks to ask for cuttings, I amass my collection through trades and thrifty purchases.  Jon may have a CdDB plant for sale from time to time, but the other plant I got from Jon cost me $40 total, so I've been looking for a cheaper option.

As for the cost issue, there's nothing at all wrong with having 'cost' be one of the factors in deciding to order from USDA @ UC-Davis, nor is there anything wrong with deciding that the cost is too high and electing not to get cuttings from them.
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Oh for heaven's sake guys! Go eat a Snickers or something!


Look, I hate drama on these boards, but I'm being attacked here.  Richard is casting aspersions of dishonesty and fraud at me.  He's the wrongdoer, and I'm the innocent guy just trying to defend my good name.  I don't want to have to waste my time defending myself from his public allegations, but what else am I to do? 

I'll contact Jon directly and ask him to take care of Richard and to delete his false allegations.  Maybe I should have just done that straightaway, but I felt the need to defend myself and set the record straight first.
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Sad to think 'UC Davis cuttings' used to be such a benign subject.  Sigh.
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dear greenfin,
I would no longer respond to this guy. He is just another new guy starting trouble on a soap box that has no support.  gotta love em.  I wouldn't waste your time with this guy.  not even three months new and he's already starting trouble.  when i first started there were a lot of older, knowledgeable members here.  now most have left because of this kind of atmosphere and with them went their knowledge.  we are now left with a less knowledgeable group that speaks of "what if" or "maybe" or "could be" dart throwing.  i hope i don't upset too many people, but this has got to stop.

Hermitian,

you have made your point. it's stealing in your eyes.  california and ucd give free cuttings away. it's just a bonus for them if we pay for shipping.  i hope you are not just a new troll coming here to cause trouble and you have actually come to be a positive helpful member.

Welcome to the forum.
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How bout those figs!
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Please members when accusations and not so nice comments are thrown out at someone, please do it through a PM or email (or better yet, not at all). Being a new member is not an excuse for bad behavior. James, we know your intentions are good, so as long as we know please let it drop. If my CdD Blancs were large enough for a cutting then I would send you one. Please listen to Dennis and talk figs.
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I put in my cuttings request quite a while ago with my shipping number included. I haven't heard anything yet, but I didn't hear anything  last year either and wound up with a nice package. I also paid about $35.00 for Fed Ex 2nd day.
The cuttings were beautiful but the ones that did make it through the year were heavily infected with FMV. I must say that my CdD B and VDB grew especially well but no figs ripened. I will report in the future on the progress of these trees. I am still on the fence with FMV. Will be a good trial.
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Dennis, about them figs. They are doing great. Everything is leafed out, there are some pretty fat brebas showing, already. Supposed to be mostly in the low 90s starting on Friday and into next week. Maybe we can set up a boxing ring at your get-together, or the Fiesta here in San Diego, and those that want to mix-it-up can go best two falls out of three. Are you up for it?
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