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i mean, i have read that they are really good. so i got some cutting and rooting them. but how good are they? i know the taste is rather subjective, but is it better than VdB? is it like Paradiso? it is close to Col de Dame? any specific info as to how good they are? i'm really curious. i know they look good.. but do they really taste all that good? let say compare to JH Adriatic?
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If they get the heat they require, probably a 9.


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Panache is one of the top that I have, but I just started VDB last year from cuttings and was able to get a few ripes ones.   I was floored by how VDB was and hoping for a lot more this year.  The two are good rivals.   I think VDB seems to be more productive earlier and good from the start.   I already have several medium sized VDB figs, while Panache has only leaves and seems to takes longer to ripen though I don't mind because it is a beauty. 
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heat is no problem here :) 
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How about humidity? Will they do well with that?
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How about humidity? Will they do well with that?

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I just purchased a 1yr. old Panachee from Jon, so I'll have to wait a couple of years to join the discussion...in the mean time it will be 'looking' real good. 
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Panachée is notorious for not giving the best fruit it could in high humidity.

It is a variant of the Col De Dame figs.

As far as these "how good are these figs" posts goes--they are mindless.  For the most part, just about all common fig varieties that are old are very good when given what they want.  Virtually all of the newer varieties, excepting figs like Hunt, Improve Celeste(s), and other figs specifically bred for more reliability in certain areas, are more finicky about giving up top fruits. Just stick with five or six figs of known good production from the various types--Honey, Malta, Bordreaux, Late Season dessert fig, Adriatic, Juicy type, Mission type.  Experiment with the others varieties.

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Rooting:  Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

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Extra humidity will cause them to split, right from the eye and then they will start to mold unless it is dry after it splits, it was really a disappointment for me last year, 1 more week and it would have been fantastic but it split and started to mold, I tried it and it was sweet even un ripe and had a slight raspberry taste.
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sounds much like Paradiso Gene. humidity and ton of rain will kill this one too. but if the early flush of main crop makes it before the rains start like Paradiso, there might be something to smile about. 
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Well, when I read about this issue, it's that Panachée doesn't get that nice syrupy quality and dense flavor, beyond the obvious splitting issue.
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Rooting:  Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

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I liked my Panache a lot last year; we had a warm/hot summer (prior 3 years were cooler than normal).  Anything I read in reference to it and a breba crop indicates it doesn't produce breba figs.  Mine produced nice breba figs last year and harvest continued non-stop from July until a little after first frosts.   Here is a photo of a breba fig I just took:


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Mine is miserable, I am trying to kill it. But its a live, I will dig it out from the ground sometime this week and pot it up, and try again- lol
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Jenny, it will be okay.  Don't let a little FMV worry you and it may reward you.
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panache is not only beautiful but also sweet and tasty


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isn't indonesia rather humid and have long and heavy rain season? 
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yes Pete, indonesia rather humid and have long and heavy rain season, but Panachee
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Last season fruit examples, big eye to let rain/bug/humid nights to split them unlike my other fig plants.
Last picture of a reverse Panache on other side of tree inviting a bug.
Not good.
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How did this non-dark fig sneak into your garden?
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yupe, that looks like Paradiso Gene minus the beatle part. i haven't had an issue with beatles yet. but with birds and other flying things, i have seen few figs eaten clean out after the rain.
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Harvey, Martin has and "exception" list. He is not the purist that he claims to be.
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With all respect Jon.
Panache is one of the few in a class called "Chimera's.

Chimeras:Chimeras, presumably originating from somatic mutations, are not common in fig varieties. The few reported involve variegations in leaf or fruit. At least two accounts of fig chimeras have been published, the first by J. L. Collins (1919) and the second by Condit (1928a). Collins illustrated and described a sectorial chimera of a Lob Injir fig which differed from other chimeras "in that the cell in which the change took place was not in the developing of young fruit itself, but in a cell of the young shoot on which the fruit grew. A few of the leaves growing on the tree which produced the fig-chimera were characterized by white areas or sections."

Condit reported a still more striking chimera in an Adriatic fig (fig. 18) which showed one third of the surface to be green and two thirds purple, with this dark sector divided by a narrow ribbon of green. The bands of light and dark color persisted when the fruit became dry. Another Adriatic tree had one twig which produced dark colored figs instead of the normal green fruit. One large branch in a Lob Injir tree at Reedley, California, bore both albino and variegated leaves year after year, although the fruit showed only faint indications of variegations. None of these chimeras has been saved by propagation.

The most striking fig chimera yet reported is that exhibited by the French variety Panache and described by various horticultural writers. (See Condit, 1928a.) The immature fruits are beautifully striped with bands of green and yellow (fig. 18) which gradually become a sulphur to golden yellow as the figs mature. The branches of the Panache tree also show variegation during the first year\'s growth, but the leaves are of a normal green. Seeds of Panache from open-pollinated flowers did not produce any progeny with variegated fruits or twigs.


Now iv'e tried it here in my yard and it failed in several respects.

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Martin, even as a Chimera it starts as a yellow/green fig...
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You can call it what you want, it still isn't dark, so it is an exception. ;-)) Just own it.
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in martin's defense, i believe Panache has darker green stripes. the fact it has "darker" part qualifies it as a "dark" fig. lol
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It is an excellent tasting fig.....pretty close to an eleven on a scale of 1 to 10! Those at UCD will almost make you pass out!
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in martin's defense, i believe Panache has darker green stripes. the fact it has "darker" part qualifies it as a "dark" fig. lol 

Come on Pete... you must know that's a complete "line of ______"!  Don't go getting tempted to play around with semantics to redefine "dark"!  We all know that Martin loves some light figs.  Even I know that, despite having never had the pleasure of meeting him face to face. :-)

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I think Panache is much better than VdB and have tasted them within a week of each other.
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Pete (bullet), it might be less white, but it isn't dark ;)

Pons has several chimeras which seems to exceed the population being talked about in the quotes from Condit.  Are many of these more recent varieties or just more recently discovered?

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Martin, if you're going to trash your tree please consider donating all or pieces of it to someone like me who will cherish it.  :)
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Bob --   "Cherish the Chimera"       (sounds like a song title, doesn't it?)     :-)  

Could even extend it to "Cherish the Chimera Chillin" (Children).

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Here are mine from last year we had allot of rain so a few of them exploded even though it wasn't 100% ripe it still had avery good taste to it. I can't wait to eat them this year 

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It is an excellent tasting fig.....pretty close to an eleven on a scale of 1 to 10! Those at UCD will almost make you pass out!


Excellent tasting perhaps in the right climate such as California ; )

Here ones that did not split and ripened nicely had rubbery skin and were not as good as many of the figs in yard .
VdB so much better no splitting,Madeira, Hardy Chicago, Sals, Negretta, Madeira, Abruzesse and others put Panache to shame.
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Even some i discarded Mavra Sika, Dark Port, Black Bethlehem, Mission,Grise Olivette, Pastiliere when fully ripe they were all better or better performers than our Panache.
Only one that came under was Native de Argentile.
Pastiliere on palate was best next to Madeira but dropped to much.
Panache as stated in our yard does not do well so i not waste my time with it .


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Martin, thanks for posting that.  What was bad about Dark Portugal and Black Bethlehem in your climate? 
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He dumped them because of redundancy, mostly.
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Hello everyone, i m new here, but i have 27 vr in my collection and Panache is one of it. :)
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