It's time to prepare for season grafting

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lampo

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Posted 1453598669	Reply with quote #1

If you have plans to do some grafting this season, now it's time to start. From the dormant trees and shrubs select the good scions of the desired variety, cut to size, pack in a shoe box or plastic bag and put in the fridge at around 35 to 40ºF. The cuttings you bought or got from friends should also be placed in the fridge You may as well locate a known, good root stock and do similarly. Kept for approx one month in the fridge all this fresh dormant wood will have sufficient time to stratify and gain momentum for a a vigorous awakening . By the end of February... early March, (best for my zone), the scions may be taken from the fridge and and cleft, saddle, w&tongue, Xip grafted on grounded root stocks of your choice. Or, using those root stock sticks kept in the fridge, you may 'side graft' short, single buds from the stored scions and cuttings. These assembles tied up cambium to cambium using good quality elastic budding tape, with or without rooting hormones are then put to root Correctly done, the rate of success is quite high. From, say, a five bud cutting you may generate 4 or 5 new trees.. as many as the good buds from the cutting. See this video. It comes from the Far East, and deals with blue berries. But it also works nicely with figs Fig side grafts rooting last spring on 1 lit re plastic cups and almost dry mix perlite/coco (20-80) dry coir , only perlite was lightly sprayed. See this additional clip where the same grafting method is used on ground freshly pruned blueberry shrubs Good luck Francisco Portugal (equiv. to zone 11)

figgary

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Posted 1453599433	Reply with quote #2

Thank you for posting this timely reminder, Francisco. I acquired some Pluot and Plum scions today at the scion exchange, and will graft them to my old plum tree in a few weeks. I may graft a few figs as well. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

figpig_66

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Posted 1453602962	Reply with quote #3

Thank you Francisco. This is very well appreciated. __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

mizuyari

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Posted 1453608307	Reply with quote #4

Thank you Francisco. I will propagate Violeta by grafting soon, if they are not damaged by cold weather. Hiroshi

lampo

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Posted 1453674027	Reply with quote #5

Thank you all for your kind words. Hiroshi, Hope Violeta will survive your winters. Grafting it to a robust stock prior to put it to root is a very wise move as it is a bit stubborn on popping out its own roots. Francisco Portugal

Jodi

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Posted 1453680135	Reply with quote #6

Oh my now grafting! The learning just keeps going! Having a blast with all this. Thx again for all the great info. ;-) __________________ In the book the "The Meaning of Trees" it is said the fig regulates the heart and that the true essence of Figs is...food for the soul. Daisy's IBT cuttings will be available in January/February along with a few Lampeira Parda. Wishes for Martinenca Rimada, Black Ischia, I258, CddRoja, Jolly Tiger, Your favorite Figgy! Zone 8a Camp Verde AZ

ricky

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Posted 1453680523	Reply with quote #7

I have a 9 Ft tall 5 years old in ground fig tree, it has 6-8 branches from ground, Can I "U" grafting with other good fig cuttings on one branch? will it work? __________________ - BC, Canada, PNW Zone 8 with windy ( Zone7 - branches damage at winter) - Wish list - Granthams Royal, RdB, any heavy breba varieties or early one crop varieties.

figpig_66

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Posted 1453691816	Reply with quote #8

What type of graft is "U" GRAFT ? __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

lampo

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Posted 1453710541	Reply with quote #9

Quote: Originally Posted by ricky I have a 9 Ft tall 5 years old in ground fig tree, it has 6-8 branches from ground, Can I "U" grafting with other good fig cuttings on one branch? will it work? Yes certainly , it will work! If you could show pictures of the tree and to tell us approx diameters of those branches..it would help to suggest most advisable methods of grafting. Depending on your climate believe you could start coming March after the rigors of winter have gone .. Am also curious about the U grafts. See these clips (with and without any sophistication) same method on both -CLEFT GRAFTS- to be done by the end of winter in more temperate zones. Francisco Portugal

ricky

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Posted 1453714204	Reply with quote #10

Using omega cutting tool, omega or U graft. __________________ - BC, Canada, PNW Zone 8 with windy ( Zone7 - branches damage at winter) - Wish list - Granthams Royal, RdB, any heavy breba varieties or early one crop varieties.

Vladis

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Posted 1453721623	Reply with quote #11

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Jsacadura

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Posted 1453734256	Reply with quote #12

Thanks for all the advice, Francisco. I plan to do a lot of grafts this spring in adult trees but i am also going to try you method of grafting directly into a rootstock cutting. ricky, You certainly can graft several varieties on the branches of an adult tree. Last spring i grafted 5 varieties into the same tree. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

JoF

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Posted 1453735353	Reply with quote #13

Hello Fransico. The method of grafting shown in your second video is used in Tunisia. Jamel. __________________ I live between France and Tunisia , figs varieties in culture:some Tunisians, Mussega,col de dame noir, Bellone, Grise de saint jean, celestes, spanish Brevas.

figpig_66

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Posted 1453851606	Reply with quote #14

Francisco. Here is my first attempt from the video. Going to water root it. White ischia for root stock genovese nero on top. Cuttings have been in fridge for two months ( root stock ) while the Genovese nero was in fridge but took it out two weeks ago and rooted it. Just cut top of and put back in roiting media. So no big deal if it fails still have the rest of it rooting. :) Attached Images 2016-01-26_17.33.41.jpg (289.30 KB, 34 views) __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

pino

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Posted 1453853528 · Edited	Reply with quote #15

Francisco, Thanks for this great and timely grafting info! Will be collecting some cherry, plum and nut tomorrow for some spring grafting. Watched that 1st video thanks to Richie suggestion will watch rest later. I would love to try this method since some figs are very difficult to root. Wonder what success rate would be with figs? __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

figpig_66

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Posted 1453853720	Reply with quote #16

Fresh out the fridge just like the first video he posted. The guy doesn't speak during video just shows you and had some English words here and there. Worth the time to watch it. Its a short video. __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

lampo

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Posted 1453886522 · Edited	Reply with quote #17

Thank you all for looking at those clips and commenting Richie Tell us if the growth seen on the scion on your picture was already there when you did the job. The scion must always be dormant and to break out a week or two after the grafting job Did you pinch all root stock buds ? Is there a dormant bud under the tape ? Notes: It is common practice to -Neutralize all buds on root stock stick to concentrate all 'fig watts' on the single scion bud -The scion single bud must be well dormant at the time of grafting or just showing a shade of green and slightly inflated.. otherwise it will not take properly and could fail. Pino, Fresh dormant sticks of both scion and stock taken now and put in the fridge for 30/60 days or more will get enough cold for an easy and fast break out after the graft. Carefully align or slightly cross the cambiums Have used dry coco coir mixed (80/20) with moisted perlite on that 1 Lit re plastic cup Use good quality budding tape (agl.. -expensive!)- over the graft -ONE single pass over the bud is enough- to facilitate breaking the new shoot Cup wrapped in black plastic on the sides and an inverted smaller transparent cup as humidity chamber Wonder if Lolita bag system (much cheaper) would work OK here. Will soon try. Francisco Portugal

figpig_66

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Posted 1453922951	Reply with quote #18

I pinched all the green buds off of root stock that has been in fridge for two months. The scion was dormant but took it out of fridge two weeks ago and started the rooting process. I then cut the top off and used it for the scion. Should i cut the new growth off. The new growth was on scion before i used it for the new graft __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

lampo

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Posted 1453944756	Reply with quote #19

Quote: Originally Posted by figpig_66 I pinched all the green buds off of root stock that has been in fridge for two months. The scion was dormant but took it out of fridge two weeks ago and started the rooting process. I then cut the top off and used it for the scion. Should i cut the new growth off. The new growth was on scion before i used it for the new graft Richie, If I understand this correctly you have cut the top of the cutting to be your scion, with a bud already growing and under the tape you have just the graft junction and no other bud. You may then have a problem there.. Use your imagination and find a way to maintain this graft under a sort of humidity chamber (plastic bag), inverted transparent cup, etc.. to try and keep that growth alive It may prove to be difficult to save it .. at least you try This method calls for scions with a dormant single bud to be kept under the tape. Good luck Francisco Portrugal

figpig_66

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Posted 1454686511	Reply with quote #20

Thanks Francisco. I followed your directions better this time lol. I do appreciate your time to share with us. It takes a few trys but i think i got it now. gere is a pic of i DOUBLE Graft i did on November 1st. Its strawberry verte & Maltese beauty on a green ischia root stock Attached Images 2016-02-04_16.42.42.jpg (254.19 KB, 43 views) 2016-02-04_16.41.59.jpg (180.74 KB, 36 views) 2016-02-04_16.41.36.jpg (222.52 KB, 34 views) 2016-02-04_16.41.12.jpg (219.34 KB, 34 views) 2016-02-04_16.41.36.jpg (222.52 KB, 27 views) 2016-02-04_16.40.37.jpg (271.43 KB, 26 views) __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

Jodi

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Posted 1454688125	Reply with quote #21

Oh my and now for me the $$55,000 question, is which scions are hard to root and would have a better chance as a graft? And who makes a better root stock? Am I correct that Daisy's IBT's I have that are fast rooters are good root stock? As for slow rooters, is it a matter of researching the forum, as opposed to the "having to have cuttings fail to root" method of learning? This is great, I feel like it is preparing for the Olympics. Wow, first rooting up 50+ varieties and now I am thinking about trying grafting. Crazy exciting! A little freaked out in AZ! ;-) __________________ In the book the "The Meaning of Trees" it is said the fig regulates the heart and that the true essence of Figs is...food for the soul. Daisy's IBT cuttings will be available in January/February along with a few Lampeira Parda. Wishes for Martinenca Rimada, Black Ischia, I258, CddRoja, Jolly Tiger, Your favorite Figgy! Zone 8a Camp Verde AZ

lampo

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Posted 1454688556	Reply with quote #22

Hi Richie Congratulations! I am sure you do feel good now!! Great! Keep exercising. If you have plans for more grafting, by the end of February, early March is an ideal time to start (in the more temperate climates) to make them. Scions cut early/mid January and kept in the fridge to graft on ground trees using these methods: Chip budding Whip&tongue Cleft Saddle YouTube has plenty of good clips, hands'on, you could follow. Bear in mind (Cleanliness+Sharp knife+firm hand). Remember, Cambiums must be at a very slight angle (crossing each other) to warrant success! Also it pays to use a good tape and wax whenever required Good luck Francisco Portugal

figpig_66

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Posted 1454689402	Reply with quote #23

Oh. So at a slight angle it always touchs together instead of trying to get a perfect alignment . Awsome tip. Explains why some work some dont. This will help the odds of success. Richie from louisiana __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

lampo

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Posted 1454692425 · Edited	Reply with quote #24

Yes Richie 'cross cambiums' 'cambium alignment' is a dream ... it's very very difficult to achieve. many attempts result in failures Watch this clip (method not for figs!) and listen to what the fellow says about the subject of 'X cambiums' It looks impossible! if he tries to align.. How ?? Then, making cambiums to cross somewhere... it always takes!! Francisco Portugal

figpig_66

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Posted 1454713427	Reply with quote #25

Thanks again. Very excited to try this in morning. __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

mizuyari

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Posted 1454735495	Reply with quote #26

Haya, Also in chip budding, the grafter crosses cambium layers. 1:05 - 1:45 Hiroshi

lampo

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Posted 1454758105	Reply with quote #27

Thank you Hiroshi for this nice video. A good example on chip budding figs, can be seen on page 53 of this 'Grafting Manual' edited by the Gov. of Catalonia. (the Land of Mr. Montserrat Pons) http://www.caib.es/sacmicrofront/archivopub.do?ctrl=MCRST65ZI94415&id=94415 Francisco Portugal

mizuyari

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Posted 1454761907	Reply with quote #28

Thank you Francisco. On page 53, the grafter adjusts cambium layers at the lower left, and crosses cambium layers at the upper right. Sorry for that the following explanation may be an irrelevant. As for the cut-grafting method, we can adjust cambium layers of scion wood and rootstock. In the following picture, film (thick line) is inserted to insulate the scion wood from the rootstock. Sample is rose. (日本園芸協会, Plant breeding, p. 70, ） A, B and C: film is inserted D: tongue is removed E: control group Comparing A and C, adjusting cambium layers at the bottom of the scion wood is important.

Timo

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Posted 1454773350	Reply with quote #29

Very interesting Hiroshi, thanks for posting this!

lampo

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Posted 1454782596	Reply with quote #30

Hirochi Thank you for your sketches highlighting the critical areas of the side grafts I know you use with great success this system on rooting your cuttings. What are your preferred fig root stocks for that purpose ? Francisco Portugal

mizuyari

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Posted 1454808257	Reply with quote #31

Hello Timo, Nice to meet you. I will post propagation of Violeta soon if Violeta survives the cold weather in Japan. ========== Hello Francisco, The following varieties are reported to be resistant to Ceratocystis canker: Black Ischia Negronne The following varieties are reported to continue growing due to their strong vigor, even if they are infected with root-knot-nematoda: Zidi King I want to use Alma as rootstock because Alma is immune to fig mosaic disease. I do not have to worry about the growth of the root system. I usually use unattractive varieties as rootstocks to change their varieties. Hiroshi

Bluemalibu

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Posted 1454810379 · Edited	Reply with quote #32

Quote: Originally Posted by Jodi ...and now for me the $$55,000 question, is which scions are hard to root and would have a better chance as a graft? Jodi, As a newly minted follower of figs, I too was concerned about the high cost of certain cuttings, and having to ultimately add them as expensive additions to the compost pile when rooting them failed. So, I posed this same question to three highly respected fig gurus this week. Here's their assessment: Their will always be an individual cutting that flies against the norm, but for the most part, most of the high dollar, in-demand cultivars right now, are shy rooters and very hesitant growers once rooted, as their foundation (root ball) is very spindly. These problem-child cultivars include Black Madeira, Hative d' Argentueil, Galicia Negra, and Maltese Falcon. Quote: And who makes a better root stock? Am I correct that Daisy's IBT's I have that are fast rooters are good root stock? Both Brown Turkey and Calif/Improved Brown Turkey are indeed good hosts. In addition, Atreano and Strawberry Verte are wonderful figs in their own right, and they too make good root-stock. Lastly, Desert King and Mission are easily found and are robust growers. Blue __________________ Ebay: Bluemalibu NorCal, 9B - Fig Heaven. No fog, no snow; just lots of sunshine!

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