Pawpaws up North?

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ross

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Posted 1453567197 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

To all you crazy pawpaw people on here.. Is anyone growing them up north? Maybe something similar to growing figs in containers and bringing them inside for the winter? I'm assuming they go dormant? Also, should I grow them from seed, cutting, or cutting grafted onto rootstock! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks everyone. -Ross __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

Bass

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Posted 1453586575	Reply with quote #2

are you talking about Papaya (Carica Papaya) or Pawpaw (Asiminia Triloba)? __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

ross

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Posted 1453589559 · Edited	Reply with quote #3

Ahh. My mistake. I was referring to Pawpaw. I'm seeing them being labeled by nurseries as low as zone 6. Anyone have any first hand experience growing them in zone 6 or 7? Edited my OP to avoid confusion. __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

Bass

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Posted 1453590883	Reply with quote #4

Yes, I'm an hour north of you. I have several trees in ground. They're native trees to the area. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

Bass

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Posted 1453594537	Reply with quote #5

Here's an article I wrote a few years ago about pawpaw. http://www.treesofjoy.com/content/pawpaw-delicious-wild-fruit __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

GregMartin

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Posted 1453597394	Reply with quote #6

I have them growing in ground in zone 5 Maine. They've gone through -17F multiple times without damage here. I've heard of pawpaw trees that have taken -39F and survived with only minor damage. The problem with pawpaws up North is making sure you have varieties that can ripen early enough for your area. CN-1 was bred in Canada and is early. Summer Delight is another early ripening cultivar. Many others also seem to have relatively early ripening fruit as well. So far mine haven't yet hit flowering size, so I'm anxiously waiting. I've eaten them in a garden in Massachusetts and they were great. People don't have luck with rooting cuttings and mixed to poor luck with air layers so they are either grown from seeds or via grafting. It would be great to get them on their own roots as they sucker over time off the roots to form colonies. __________________ zone 5 Maine Seeking: Saint Martin, Naples White, Black Tuscan, Bécane, French Alps, Abruzzi, Tenica, Wild Mountain Figs from the coldest corners (Iranian, Turkish or other...would love seeds too)

paully22

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Posted 1453615434	Reply with quote #7

I am growing them here in PNW. The person I bought the plants from grow them in large garbage bins and he hand pollinates them. This seller has 3 Peterson's varieties. There is an Italian senior in my area and he has pawpaw trees in his yard for over 8 years. He sells ripe pawpaws in Oct. GregMartin - I think you are referring to NC-1. I bought it for their earliness.

jdsfrance

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Posted 1453659676	Reply with quote #8

Hi, Here in Zone7, there is one(1,2 or 3) pawpaw growing in ground in a botanical garden. Now, the question is: are you sure that you want/need pawpaws ? They tend to be big tree (will shade the yard), and not really productive. Most people report pollination problems. The choice is yours of course ... Ever heard about persimmons (kaki) ? Last year, I planted a fuyu ... For their exotic look ... __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

GregMartin

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Posted 1453686165	Reply with quote #9

Thank you for the correction Paully, that's what I get for writing off the cuff and not double checking! 'NC-1' it is. If anyone run's across the variety 'Campbell's #1' that is another name for 'NC-1' __________________ zone 5 Maine Seeking: Saint Martin, Naples White, Black Tuscan, Bécane, French Alps, Abruzzi, Tenica, Wild Mountain Figs from the coldest corners (Iranian, Turkish or other...would love seeds too)

ross

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Posted 1453689365	Reply with quote #10

I was lucky enough to receive some seeds from Bill! And thanks for the info everyone. Surprisingly enough.. Lancaster, PA which about an hour from me is pawpaw capital, haha, so I'll be checking out some wild pawpaw this fall. __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

Jamie0507

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Posted 1453692453	Reply with quote #11

Ross I have 2 pawpaw that I just planted in late summer this past season, bought them both from Bass. He always seems to have a nice selection of the named cultivars so you may want to check him out this spring since you don't live too far away from him either. Remember if you are growing seedlings you'll need to have at least 2 or 3 to get fruit. The named cultivars are suppose to fruit much earlier also (2-3 yrs) whereas the seedlings can take 6 to 7 years. I've been staring at the huge mound of snow sitting on top of my paw paws that's so high I can't even see them at all so I hope they are okay! __________________ Jamie Zone 6A My List of Fig Varieties: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13MXbhU3b-5Y4bkNSWHVikw6m-vovlHZcBjcsxMwQ7iY Wish list: Col. Littmans, Figoin, Black Tuscan.. And now for my "Hey..A girl has got to have dreams!" wishlist: Sangue Dolce, Montenegro, Rigato del Salento

ross

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Posted 1453693720	Reply with quote #12

Jamie, Bill gave them to me for no charge, so why not, right? And I'm only 24... I've got 6-7 years, haha. Snow is actually an insulator! They should be fine! -Ross __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

Jamie0507

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Posted 1453727583	Reply with quote #13

Ross you make way too much sense for a 24 year old! Lol great point! You can't beat free and you've definitely got plenty of time to wait for the seedlings to fruit :) __________________ Jamie Zone 6A My List of Fig Varieties: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13MXbhU3b-5Y4bkNSWHVikw6m-vovlHZcBjcsxMwQ7iY Wish list: Col. Littmans, Figoin, Black Tuscan.. And now for my "Hey..A girl has got to have dreams!" wishlist: Sangue Dolce, Montenegro, Rigato del Salento

masterful

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Posted 1453814326	Reply with quote #14

Ross, they grow here in canada in zone 5. __________________ Fig trees: Italian Red Honey, Kadota, Brown Turkey, White Honey, Genovese, Celeste, Pingho De Mel, Violette De Bourdeaux, Hollier, Bianchetta, Stella (Dalmatie) Wish List: Italian 258, Adriano fig, Zucchini Fig Zone 5

gpag0nze

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Posted 1453929212	Reply with quote #15

I have 4 pawpaws in my yard. They are not common in Eastern North Carolina. They require two different varieties if you want fruit. There is a caterpillar that is specific to pawpaws and some people grow them for the Eastern Swallowtail Butterflies. I don't, but I don't spray them either. If the tree is big, not problem, otherwise, pick them off like tomato worms and relocate them.

gpag0nze

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Posted 1453929769 · Edited	Reply with quote #16

Quote: Originally Posted by jdsfrance Hi, Here in Zone7, there is one(1,2 or 3) pawpaw growing in ground in a botanical garden. Now, the question is: are you sure that you want/need pawpaws ? They tend to be big tree (will shade the yard), and not really productive. Most people report pollination problems. The choice is yours of course ... Ever heard about persimmons (kaki) ? Last year, I planted a fuyu ... For their exotic look ... Persimmons (Hana Fuyu) are fine if a gang of racoons don't clean them off. They are like birds with figs. Avoid Hachiya. The trees are tall and they drop fruit long before it is ripe enough to force ripen. The fruit is beautiful but there is a reason they are the most expensive variety in the supermarket. I had 20 Hachiya persimmons make it to the large green ox heart stage when they started to drop. I ended up with 1 perfect persimmon able to be eaten., and that was even after I had been feeding them chopped bananna skins compost for the potassium.

gpag0nze

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Posted 1453929917 · Edited	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by ross I was lucky enough to receive some seeds from Bill! And thanks for the info everyone. Surprisingly enough.. Lancaster, PA which about an hour from me is pawpaw capital, haha, so I'll be checking out some wild pawpaw this fall. I hope you are patient. Seeds take 2 years according to the internet, and at least one good freeze. I have 2 seeds planted and the 2 years are almost up. Still not sign yet.

gpag0nze

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Posted 1453930176	Reply with quote #18

Quote: Originally Posted by ross To all you crazy pawpaw people on here.. Is anyone growing them up north? Maybe something similar to growing figs in containers and bringing them inside for the winter? I'm assuming they go dormant? Also, should I grow them from seed, cutting, or cutting grafted onto rootstock! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks everyone. -Ross They are native to Ohio/Indiana so you won't have a problem.

Bass

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Posted 1453944730	Reply with quote #19

I'll have several grafted Pawpaw varieties if you're interested in the Spring. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

baust55

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Posted 1453946410 · Edited	Reply with quote #20

ROSS PAW PAWS should do fine planted out doors in your area . I should plant some in my orchard DOH I did plant hardy Almonds this yr .. last yr it got down to -19f on night. I live in zone 5b . Paw Paws grow wild here along the rivers and in the forests . Many people in my town have grafted cultivators planted in there yard for there attractive foliage and fruit. Yes we have hardwood and pine forests in Nebraska and the only place its flat is in a river Valleys. I am Puzzled when people describe Nebraska as Flat and treeless ??? . But I Image if you drive I-80 in the Platte Valley and stare at the pavement strait ahead and don't turn your head to the left or the right... you would miss the forests of cotton woods and oaks along the Platte River and the 600' to 900' tall bluffs along the river valleys edge A lot of the .....300 or 400 miles across the state. ha paw paws are pollinated buy flies not bees . you can hand pollinate or the old timers around here hang a little bit of rotting meat in the tree but I would be worried about critters . ha The beautiful Blue Swallow Tail Butterfly lays its eggs on the paw paw tree . ... __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

Beyondista

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Posted 1454164565	Reply with quote #21

I'm in zone 4 Wisconsin, been growing pawpaws from seed for years. The trees in my planting have seen almost -30F without damage tho the flower bud didn't make it that year.... __________________ BEYOND Vineyard - La Farge, Wisconsin z4b http://facebook.com/beyondvineyard Driftless Sacred Grove - West Lima, Wisconsin https://www.facebook.com/driftlessgrove ebay: sacredgroveorganics http://www.ebay.com/usr/sacredgroveorganics

random

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Posted 1454252153	Reply with quote #22

Hi Beyondista, Can you tell us a little more what you have experienced in the winter months and how old are our trees. Do you think my friend can grow pawpaw where he lives at which is in Duluth, MN. I have sent him seeds this fall. Thank you Lou __________________ Lou Pezzuti

GregMartin

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And another question for you Beyondista...are the seeds from your area/zone and have you gotten ripe fruit at your place in zone 4 yet? Thank you Greg __________________ zone 5 Maine Seeking: Saint Martin, Naples White, Black Tuscan, Bécane, French Alps, Abruzzi, Tenica, Wild Mountain Figs from the coldest corners (Iranian, Turkish or other...would love seeds too)

asimina_triloba

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Posted 1463454217 · Edited	Reply with quote #24

I've got four pawpaws growing happily on my property near the north shore of Lake Ontario. The only real winter damage they've gotten was when the fence fell on one of them and broke it at knee height. Ugh. But that one is currently pushing out a new leader and lots of leaves. Some are in full sun and some have noon shade from our big old black walnut. All seem happy. (I understand they don't give a fig - pun intended - about juglone and are a great companion plant for black walnuts.) If you're buying, I'd go potted over bare-root, hands down. The first two pawpaws I bought were bare-root and they struggled all year and then died the next spring. The second pair I bought were bare root and they struggled the first year. One took off in the second year (only to be crushed by the fence) while the other died back, but has since sprouted like nobody's business from the roots. They're the native Ontario variety - there are wild pawpaw patches in the Toronto area and southward, but they're exceedingly hard to find as most of their native range has been bulldozed - and I'm assured that they'll a) taste great, and b) grow like stink once they're settled in. The ones I bought potted, meanwhile, have flourished. I know I'm pushing the Peterson Susquehanna variety here (if I'm right, they'll ripen for me just before early frost risk, around Canadian Thanksgiving), but it's the best grower out of them all (though it leafs out a bit later). It's taken -20C without any damage. No flowers yet. The other one I bought potted is an NC-1, and though it grows a bit more slowly than the Susquehanna, it's the only one yet flowering - at about 3 years of age! It pushes out leaves first out of all of mine, with the native ones a few days behind, and the Susquehanna a few days behind that. __________________ Whitby Ontario, Zone 6A Growing Natalina, Ficazzana, Hardy Chicago, Violette de Bordeaux, Stella Also growing peaches, cherries and pawpaws.

possum_trot

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Posted 1463722486	Reply with quote #25

Asimina triloba, I am interested in the native pawpaws you are talking about. I recently read the new book on pawpaws and the author mentions that the trees you are talking about were probably selected and planted by Native Americans. They would have been selected for early ripening and flavor. Jerry Lehman, here in Indiana has been doing some work with pawpaw and has shown that they improve with each generation, so your native trees should be really good. Much better than random wild colonies. If you get some seeds from your native Ontario's I would love to buy a few seeds from you. I have been growing pawpaw from seed for a few years and really enjoy it. I expect to get some fruit from them in the next couple of years, and I would love to add some native Ontario pawpaws to my collection. __________________ Susan Brown County, Indiana zone 6

asimina_triloba

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Posted 1463752990 · Edited	Reply with quote #26

That book was great, wasn't it? Dan Bisonnette's book about growing growing pawpaws in Ontario is all about how great Ontario pawpaws taste, but I must admit I haven't had the chance to try a ripe native pawpaw yet. It'll be a few years before mine are fruiting since they struggled so hard after transplanting, but I'd be happy to send seeds along. The place that I got them from (Grimo's) isn't clear on thwir website about where their seedlings come from, nowadays. When I bought them a few years ago, it read as though their seedlings came from local Niagara varieties that they'd chosen for their own orchard. They certainly look different from my Susquehanna and NC-1 - leaves are a few shades darker. I'm hoping to go pawpaw hunting this fall. I'll post again if I have any luck finding fruit. Nearly all pawpaw habitat in Ontario has been destroyed, so finding them here is like hunting for treasure. __________________ Whitby Ontario, Zone 6A Growing Natalina, Ficazzana, Hardy Chicago, Violette de Bordeaux, Stella Also growing peaches, cherries and pawpaws.

pino

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Posted 1463756680	Reply with quote #27

This is a Guelph U. link on Ontario Pawpaw. It includes a map to wild pawpaw in s. Ontario. There is a patch I my area but I have been unlucky finding any around Lake Ontario and creeks where I walk my dog. Originally huge areas of Pawpaw around the Lake Erie lakeshore area brought over from Ohio by the U.E Loyalists (although other articles say they are indigenous in Ontario carolinean forests). http://www.uoguelph.ca/arboretum/thingstosee/trees/pawpaw.shtml __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

asimina_triloba

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Posted 1463762637	Reply with quote #28

Nice! I hear that people who've found pawpaw patches guard their locations like some kind of national secret. I sure would :) Have you gotten fruit from the patch around your area, pino? __________________ Whitby Ontario, Zone 6A Growing Natalina, Ficazzana, Hardy Chicago, Violette de Bordeaux, Stella Also growing peaches, cherries and pawpaws.

cdeguida4

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Posted 1463767385	Reply with quote #29

Hey Ross, not sure what parts of Philly your in, but they grow wild in the Pennypack Park in Northeast Philly near me. I was picking them last fall, and everyone was telling me I officially lost my mind when I was coming home with bundles of fruits from a park in Philadelphia. I have tons of seeds if you want more. __________________ Chris NE Philadelphia Wish list: figoin, Fico Preto, any CDD

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