What's the difference between Adriatic JH and Artistic from UCD? Are they too different figs? Or just the difference in the source?

Pete

Big difference.
Different leaves.
Adriatic JH is  a care free growing and producing tree while the UCD Adriatic is a heavy infested FIg mosaic virus tree that will need constant TLC to grow and produce a few fruits.
Very similar in taste and flavor.

I can't confirm taste of regular Adriatic but Joe's version is awesome.  Awesome awesome.

I have been looking at Adriatic JH. It seems to have lovely dark red interior... and it seems to have taste to match. Will have to look into finding a source...

Pete

In 2010 I got an Adriatic plant from Jon came labeled Adriatic 011 its on his Varietal Page last year I got a few ripe figs and I must say handsdown winner. Freakin awesome tasting. Not sure if this is the same as JH Adriatic but it is very good mostly single and 3 lobed leaves.

1st to ripen in 2011

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This one was picked fairly late and not 100% Ripe but still extremely good. 

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Nelson,

That's a beauty. I'm planning to order Adriatic from UCD... I'll have to look into 011 also...

Pete

Nelson:Mostly single and three lobes leaves:You got adriatic JH.
UCD Adriatic has five lobes and 2 thumbs,the extra 2 thumbs showing only on healthy leaves.
As for the taste :Both are excellent tasting,but JH Adriatic become properly ripe much faster here in the North east.

Can't wait for my JH Adriatic to produce!! Obviously a good one.

Brent,

Kathleen's Black... it seems KB is not an easy tree to get fig from. Few of the thread I started indicates number of the forum members are having hard time getting fruit from it.

This year, I did few things. I cut all the last yrs branches off. I also cut off about a foot off the top. I was hoping that will push the figs. But, it didn't seem to help. So I started using 15-30-15 fert. That didn't help. So I pinched all branches after 6 leaves. Then I started seeing the figs. Honest truth is, I have no clue which one of above helped... it might be all of above. I'm just happy to see figs on KB.

Next year, I'll keep on using 15-30-15 feet. If I don't see the figs by 1st of May. I'll pinch again.

Pete

Hi Pete, I think you got your threads mixed up. But I think I know what you are talking about anyway. I am not all that disappointed really about Kathleen's really. I will remove most from JH anyway so it grows more, I just want to try a few this year. Both are going to be wonderful mothers for my orchard... soon ;)

I have new plants of Adriatic JH available for sale, for anyone interested.

Pete You cut last year branches off.
That is not good in my opinion.
The tree wants to grow those branches back in order to be the size of an adult when producing a large harvest,so it will delete farther the forming of fruits,in order to grow back.
The only trick that works on  forcing tree to produce fruits is pinching the Btranches at tips,again and again,and eliminating the new growing buds that appear to every base of every leaf.
You have 2 buds at the base of every leaf,one is a growing bud and the other is a fruit.
Growing buds grow faster on some culktivars as Kathleen black,on other cultivars fruits grow faster.
In any case that growing bud has to be removed in order for plant to grow the fruit.

Do your Adriatic figs turn bright yellow when the fig is in direct sunlight?  Or part of the fig turns yellow when part of the fig is in sunlight?

I had mine (JH) in almost full shade.  When it ripened main crop, it turned a lighter greenish color, the eye clogged with honey, and the skin began to split.

One can never have too many friends, and 'search' is one of mine. ;)

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/First-JH-Adriatic-coming-to-fruition-5461744

But since yours are in the shade it won't help with my issue.

It gets an hour of sun ;). 

This one I got in November In my basement. With no light. 

Thanks Vasile I definately see what you mean about the leaf shape. Mine however does have FMV Need to get a JH if his strain does not. Very good tasting fig.

Here are pics of my Adriatic 011 leaves

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No problem Nelson. Will start an air layer JH this evening.

Thanks Paul that would be great.

bump If I had nothing but JH Adriatic in my collection, I would be so happy! It's truly one amazing tasting fig. One of my favorite green figs. Just had to bump this one up.

Adriatic has been really good this year, I got this a few years ago. It's not a JH. It is very tasty. It's usually a late variety. 

 

Check out this photo by JH himself, courtesy of ascpete - 3 lobes plus thumbs or 5 lobes

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1274515463&postcount=22

@Bass,
Looking good Bass:-) yours more roundish and have thin skin!
How productive Adriatic in your location Bass?
Can you compare to Adriatic JH?
I am curious about this one.

I don't have experience with the Adriatic JH to compare the two. This year my Adriatic tree had a lot of figs, but it is not reliable here. I wouldn't plant in ground, because it ripens a bit late and doesn't seem to like rain at all.

my adriatic have several figlet that grown no more about 5mm an fall...it is about 6 month old. I will wait till a few year to see how productive is it .my doubt is adriatic never produce figs in tropical climate.

I'm now confused with this cultivar Adriatic JH...
There has been mention of a 1-3 lobed cultivar, and I posted a link to the original tree that was the mother of all the "Adriatic JH" in circulation which shows a 5 lobed leaf. Because figs can produce variable leaf shapes due to age, culture, location and time of year, this tree can and may produce 1-5 lobed leaves and even thumbs.
Can you please post pictures of your leaves for some comparisons? Thanks.
Another question is, what else is being circulated as Adriatic JH ? Thanks.

Attached are JH's picture of his "Adriatic" from the linked Topic, where the origination of the tree is mentioned.



Below is an Adriatic JH cutting that was started in June 2013. I have not tasted figs from this cultivar, so I cannot verify 100% that it is Adriatic JH.

Pete, here is a leaf pic from one of my three so called "JH Adriatci" trees. As you can see, it matches what Herman said perfectly in post #7 this thread. It
has five lobes and two thumbs on the healthy leaves indicating it is UCD Adriatic not the true JH from Joe.

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Mike,
Thanks for posting the picture.
Deeper lobes and thumbs are sometimes influenced by increase fertilization and fast growth, but that leaf certainly looks suspect.

The point that I was trying to make was that if it did not look like Adriatic JH it may be something else, and should be referred to as such until confirmed with figs and adult leaves. We should not be creating confusion (especially for newer members) by referring to a 1-3 lobed cultivar and a 5-7 lobed cultivar of "Adriatic JH".

Thanks for commenting on my post.
BTW ... A picture speaks a thousand words.

Adriatic JH,sometimes has a good number of leaves,that are fully grown and healthy,but they are entire,(no lobes).
If you can find fully grown leaves ,in entire shape on your tree you got Adriatic Jh
On UCD Adriatic the leaves are lobed ,5 lobes sometimes with thumbs sometimes not,but an entire leaf with no lobes will be very hard to find.

The true and correct Adriatic is ,UCD Adriatic,and, Adriatic JH is a misnomer, it is what John Hood thought the plant was when it fruited for him first.
If you want my opinion  about What Adriatic JH is ,here it is:
It is the white version,of Madeira Black and Preto!
It is a better adapted to adverse climatic condition,plant compared to Genuine Adriatic.
This is my opinion,after observing the plants for past 5 years.

Herman is correct.  It was a tree originally believed to be Adriatic, but then turned out not to be.

It is good to see that there is an interest in the fig tree that grows on my property.  (I am the owner of the original JH Adriatic fig tree.  I am not egotistical enough to have named it that, but it somehow became known by that name as it made its way around in the trade! I am Joseph (Joe) Hood, a chiropractor in Austin, Texas.)  The tree was a mature in-ground tree on our property when we moved to our property in 2001, and was thought by the original owner to have been 7 or 8 years old at that time. By my reckoning, the tree should now be somewhere around 20 or 21 years old.  I would guess, but do not know, that the tree may have been purchased from a local nursery years ago, as there is an identical mature tree on a property a couple of blocks down our street. The leaves are very variable in shape, ranging from entire to five-lobed with two thumbs, as demonstrated by the attached photographs.  Over the years, the tree has shown next to no signs of infestation by FMV, although there have been a few leaves that have shown signs on a couple of occasions.  I suspect, as has been postulated, that most figs carry the FMV virus.  Whether they show signs or not may be a function of the individual tree's resistance to the virus. My JH Adriatic is next to two good-sized Mission trees, both of which invariably show mottling characteristic of FMV.  The mottling of Mission leaves was noted by Condit. It is correct that I guessed that my tree was an Adriatic variant.  I have never thought or stated that it is identical to the Davis Adriatic.  My tree's characters, as compared to the Adriatic characters cited by Condit (other than the leaves and perhaps the eye), appeared to match that variety more closely than any other variety that he described, so I guessed that it might be closely related to the Adriatic.  Perhaps the exact relationship of the JH Adriatic to Adriatic will be documented when DNA testing of the tree is done, as Jon has told me may be done at some time in the future.  Jon and I recently corresponded, and as he requested, I plan to send him a large shipment of JH Adriatic cuttings when I trim my tree next spring.  I have chosen to meet the considerable demand for JH Adriatic cuttings through Jon Verdick, the moderator of Figs4Fun, as I believe that he is best equipped to provide JH rooted plants (or cuttings, if he desires) to those interested in obtaining them. I am not actively trading fig cultivars or cuttings.  Please do not request JH Adriatic cuttings from me personally. I have provided JH Adriatic cuttings to many individuals in the past, but the demand has outstripped my ability to respond to the numerous requests, and I do not plan to send cuttings to individuals. Contact Jon, as I can attest that I am the source of his JH Adriatic cuttings.  The JH Adriatic is a very fine fig; arguably, when all factors are considered, the best of the 50+ varieties in my collection. Of course, that doesn't prevent me from eating all of the other varieties I can get my hands on, when they are in season! In recent years, my tree has produced 90+ lb. of high quality figs each year. The tree produces only a handful of large brebas. The vast majority of the figs are from the main crop.  The fig holds up fairly well in rainy weather.  Heavy rains may cause a few of the mature figs to split. If rains continue for a week or two unabated during the period when the figs are ripening, then the figs begin to sour and spoil and the leaves of the JH Adriatic "rust".  Fortunately, the fig matures from the last half of July into the first part of August here in Austin, a period in which the weather is hot and dry, ideal for ripening flavorful figs.  Hopefully, this information, from the original owner of the fig, will prove helpful to those who would like to add it to their collection.

Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                  

Joe Hood

Not sure if mine is JH or just plain old Adriatic, but she looks good in ground, and is growing like crazy!  She is waaay down the hill, and I didn't go down to check if she has figs.  Been a hard year.

Suzi

Suzi - glad to see you posting again!  I hope all is well.

Joe, thanks for the history and information on the variety you introduced to the fig world.  Thanks for sending me cuttings some time ago.  They successfully rooted and I'm looking forward to getting fruit next year.  I can understand why you would now want to distribute cuttings through Jon - it makes sense.  So far my small tree does not show any five lobed leaves (just one and three lobes) so maybe the 5 lobed leaves start to appear with maturity.

Joe, thanks for the information and description about the JH Adriatic fig. I am looking forward to trying my first figs from this variety this year. Your previous post with pictures of both the JH and Battaglia was also very interesting. 

   Peter

Many many thanks to you Joe! I have your tree growing in my orchard in Charlotte, North Carolina and it is so amazing in flavor and taste. I also have Adriatic and it's cousin Ventura, and Strawberry but your tree have a better flavor than my others. Man I love your tree so much that I have several of them growing in pots. Again, I thank you for this awesome tree!

Joe, I certainly appreciate your post and providing background as well as fruiting information. I am actively pursuing it myself. 

Joe:I also have a total of 4 Adriatic jh figs ,2 older and 2 younger.
I got cuttings from a friend of yours you supplied cuttings to,in a trade.
Because the original owner of cuttings was you,I say Thank you very much.
I am very pleased with the results.
As I mentioned before,I compared it to the other cultivars I have and it matched,Madeira black and Preto,in everything except color.
I would like to be proved wrong by the DNA test,but I am super confident I am right.

Thanks for posting, Joe.  I have some of your progeny through Jon and am looking forward to trying figs next year.  We're all grateful to you and Jon for spreading this around.

Thank you Joe I got mine third hand from you.  I new it was supposed to be good but am really excited now after all these great reviews.

goss

All of you are most welcome.  Although I haven't met most of you personally, it is nice to know that you all are enjoying one of our favorite figs. Herman, although we have not met, I do know at least one of your friends personally. He drops by and visits me occasionally. I have followed your posts with interest over the years and have a great deal of respect for your knowledge and opinions regarding fig varieties and culture.  If the DNA study is done, it will be interesting to see where the JH Adriatic falls in the pantheon of fig varieties. Regardless of which varieties it turns out to be most closely related to, it's a great fig!

Joe H,
Thanks for posting the pictures, commentary
and Also for putting a healthy, tasty and productive cultivar into circulation.
Hopefully I will be able to harvest a few next season.

BTW, the last picture Post #35 shows 5 lobed leaves with thumbs : )



In answer to the OP, they are two distinct Cultivars (varieties). As per discussions...

Adriatic UCD... has leaves that resemble Conadria.

Adriatic JH... may not be an "Adriatic" and has variable leaves, that may be 1 to 7 lobed (2 thumbs). Adriatic JH may also be the Accession 011 and 2011 from Jon V. at Encanto Farms (post #5 and #20).

Both figs have similar taste, but the plants have different growth habits.

Thanks Joe, Jh Adriatic is a super fig! I first tasted it at Herman's place and was immediately wowed by the taste. It is a must have fig for any collector. Thanks for posting about it, very interesting to hear from the original owner, the person responsible for spreading it far and wide. 

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Sorry not the best of pics but that's the pics from a few days ago.

Joe Hood:Yes it is a great fig.
And great figs are not selected randomly.
Most likely,This is a cultivar of ancient origin ,and it will be preserved by the future.
People will appreciate it and keep an spread it ,much more now with the internet revolution.

Hmmmm. yeap....I see it now Pete. 

In my yard JH is superior in taste and production. Had these yesterday

If anyone is able to share a cutting or 2 of this great fig send me a PM... pretty please and thank you lol :)

Tyler

Looks Great KK!

How's the Lyndhurst White?

Those look great!

KK those are oh wow's..

goss

Kerry: Thank you for posting very pretty photos. Can you please post the uncut JH Adriatic's figs and leaves? I bought one JH Adriatic from you this spring, but deer ate its figs and leaves. I planted in the ground since the spring 2013. Thank you.

Best,
Tam

Tam ,
Those are KK's photos.
I will post some pics of the leaves on my plants later today. Also have a JH Adr. growing at the small GH where I work and wanted to get some input from Martin and others on shaping recommendations for that tree.
This time of year my plants show the more complex leaf form ,although you find the single and 3 lobe forms on all plants as well.
I know with complete certainty that mine are the real JH Adriatic. 

Here are the leaf forms I see on my plants.

If I can swing by work , I'll get some photos of the young JH Adriatic at the GH there and start a new post to get some input on best way to continue with shaping that tree.

Leaf on the right is the dominant form this time of year on 2.5 to 3 year old plants.

Trying to attach pics again.

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UCD

Here is picture of one of my first year JHA cuttings, started in March. It
is growing in full AZ desert sun, so quite a bit different conditions than
most of the other examples posted. It has 5 lobed leaves almost entirely.
Here in the desert, the brutal heat of summer is winding down and my
citrus and pomegranates are starting the big fall flush when most of the
vegetative growth happens. Hopefully figs behave similarly, it's my first year
with figs. I'll post some pix later in November, hopefully the trees will be
larger and maybe the leaf shapes will be different?
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Probably ideally suited for your climate since JH came from Austin Texas

These are the 2 original plants I received from JH



[QUOTE=bada_bing]Here is picture of one of my first year JHA cuttings, started in March. It
is growing in full AZ desert sun, so quite a bit different conditions than
most of the other examples posted. It has 5 lobed leaves almost entirely.
Here in the desert, the brutal heat of summer is winding down and my
citrus and pomegranates are starting the big fall flush when most of the
vegetative growth happens. Hopefully figs behave similarly, it's my first year
with figs. I'll post some pix later in November, hopefully the trees will be
larger and maybe the leaf shapes will be different?
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Thank you very much for posting very nice photos.

Best,
Tam

Oh wow, what a great thread!

Joe H, thanks for the great post and for sharing your spectacular tree with the fig community.

Herman, thanks for blowing my mind with your proposal that JH Adriatic is actually a White Madeira.  (Whoa!)

KK, thanks for making me drool!

i was able to obtain JH Adriatic past yr. it had put on the figs. however, the fruit quality was lacking due to awful weather we had. hope to taste better figs this yr.

Pete ,
JH Adriatic is going to become your favorite fig.
The flavor is just incredible and you may stop growing everything else !

kerry, little over 4 yrs i've been growing figs, i've heard that one so much i think i have enought figs that are not suited for the pigs... lol

Darn , you didn't go for it , I was just trying to get you to send everything else to me !

Hello,
I have been looking to buy the Adriatic JH fig cuttings/trees but seems so hard to find here in the US, most of what I found available are out of the states. And I read somewhere in here about UCD, I am very new to the fig culture so somebody please enlighten me what the UCD is initial for? I also contacted Figs4fun about buying Adriatic but haven't heard back, anybody have cuttings to spread the wealth please PM me.
I just put my first fig in the yard, it is the Brown Turkey and I've been watching it every few hours! :-)

Happy figging!

It would be nice to see Adriatic pics.  I have that one and it's a monster!  In ground and growing like the weed it is.  Hopefully it will bear fruit this year.

Suzi

Kenny, you're in luck. There's two on ebay now :) No shame in paying a few extra bucks in the beginning to get a few little trees while you explore cuttings. Seeing your wish list, Hardy Chicago is readily available from online and local nurseries. I think HC is one of the varieties that fruits at a young age, so if possible, might consider buying a young tree....might get fruits this year.  Nice to have a producer or two while you wait out the ups and downs of cuttings. Weather this time of year is pretty good for mail order...wait much longer and you might find shipping in hot weather problematic. 

Best of luck to you. BTW JHA came from a single mother tree in Texas, so no need to tempt fate by trying to order from outside the States: you might wind up with a USDA inspector knocking on your door.

jon usually offer JHA in spring. there was a post not too long ago. 

I hear the JH is a good fig.

@Rick&Pete, Thank you for the information, I looked on eBay before and nothing until today, Thank you for the heads up. The bidding things on ebay is a bit intimidating to me but guess I will try, just wish I can find one that I can hit the 'Buy it now' button, lol.

I figured Chicago hardy is easy enough to find so I'm putting money into Adriatic JH first, sound like the better of the two regarding being easier to grow.

Jon did get back to me today and I'm happy he has cuttings, just not trees. This fig is so beautiful I can't get over the colors and really look forward to have a bite!

:-)

Hi Kenny,

Welcome! UCD is the acronym for University of California, Davis campus. I believe their agricultural department works with the USDA to propagate and distribute plant matter for research and educational purposes. For this group, it basically means once a year we can request a ton of fig cuttings and only have to pay for shipping. :-)

As far as Adriatic JH's on e-bay, you really can't go wrong with Keith's (KK) listings. I have been nothing but impressed with everything I've purchased from him.

Take care!

Hello Tamar,

Thank you for the information regarding the UCD I will have to try and see when they have cuttings to give away.
I hope I will get this fig, I have a good friend whom I admire for his teaching in gardening and sustainable living, is also love figs and this particular fig is on his wish list as well. I hope to be taking a cutting to gift him when I travel back to my home country.

Thank you! :-)

Kanchana

I had purchased some JH Adriatic cuttings on ebay late last year from KK. I was able to cut them into a few more pieces and I now have a few Adriatic JH starter plants in 1 gallon pots. If anyone is interested, please PM with an offer. I am estimating shipping to be around $12 or so.  Thanks!

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 you really can't go wrong with Keith's (KK) listings. I have been nothing but impressed with everything I've purchased from him.

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Ahhh Thank you :)

Congratulations, Kenny. Welcome to the forum too. I'm new as well, up north of you in KC. Enjoy your new acquisition!

Marie

Marie, Thanks for the warm welcome, I am very happy to find this place, now toying with the idea of which fig to add to the yard!

Kenny

If anyone can share a few of the Adriatic JH cuttings please PM me. Would love to get this one going. Everything I have read it is good.

Mike