dragonking1959

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 fig cittings Medici HR Black #1

Uhm, ask her: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/profile/1371270

Well cuttings are brought in illegally and sold as what they really are. This is how we have figs from all over the world. Just a simple FIG fact.

That is Olga, She is a very trustworthy fig collector. She clearly explains all the details of the fig cuttings she is offering in her auction. She is very well know in the fig community. I bet that fig variety will make a nice  jewel to any fig collection.

Yes, Olga is a trusted fig collector, enthusiast and eBay seller and a very generous source of great varieties. I would not hesitate to bid on anything listed by her and follow her on ebay just to make sure I see her listings in a timely manner... As we all know... timing is everything...

dragonking1959 purchased a bunch of trees from me

[QUOTE=pofigist]dragonking1959

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 fig cittings Medici HR Black #1

I trust Dragonking1959(aka Olga), even met her. She has an awesome collection.

Who is the source of the cuttings though? And who wrote the description?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/291944578813

So , the answer is clear; it is ok to bring  cuttings from other continent and sell it on eBay.

Good to know that it is not illegal anymore.

[QUOTE=pino]With 18888 positive feedbacks, 100% feedback sounds like very trusted seller.  The posting is fully explained it sounds like a nice fig!

Fancy names? 
Personally I prefer to know figs by their original historic names.  This ebay post clearly says the original name is not known and named after the location it was found.   Sounds fair to me. [/QUOTE]

 Not to spoil your excitement about numbers of positive feedback, but...
Not 18888 ,it  is 1888 and out of 146 pages of feedback 144 for being a good buyer.
Has nothing to do with selling fig cuttings.
 Nothing personal,just remember that seller who was selling "black"
figs from Russia was a bad guy just few days ago.

I'm not so sure what's the point behind this whole conversation is. Olga is a long time member of this forum and other forums and has a huge fig collection from around the world that would make any fig grower envious. They also sell Brown Turkey in Europe which has the same description. To me a scam means selling a variety under a different name. This is not the case here.

[QUOTE=pofigist]So , the answer is clear; it is ok to bring  cuttings from other continent and sell it on eBay.

Good to know that it is not illegal anymore.[/QUOTE]
Its only illegal if you get caught.

I'm not sure who pofigist is, but know Olga. I believe that you have your sellers confused.

Hello, everyone!
Thank you very much for nice words..
Yes, I don't sell on Ebay all the time..
Only if I can share something real good or unique..
I think I write in description all info, and when people want to know more I always answering the questions....
I don't advertise my auction on any forums..
I crazy about figs myself and if I can help other people to get something good..
And yes, I try to buy as much as I can, I hope people in US will continue to grow figs and we all will be able to have more varieties in our collections..

Happy Holidays!
Olga

Happy Holidays, Olga! Best wishes to you and yours for a healthy, happy, prosperous and fruitful New Year!

I just bought unk cuttings from Olya(Olga), advertised as unknowns, so I see no problem with what was advertised and what I purchased. Sounds like a delicious unk fig variety. They should do okay where I live since I am about 2 hours southwest of Olya. Thanks for the nice purchase.

Who said it was illegal? I can't speak for the USA but in Canada, it's not illegal to import fig cuttings from Italy or many other country's providing you do it correctly. From Italy to Canada for instance, there are very legal (and common) ways to import fig cuttings provided they don't include leaves, roots or soil. We eat all manner of imported fruits and vegetables. That's how they do it. Not illegal. Today I think I ate a kiwi grown in Mexico and a strawberry from somewhere....not here.

Phytosanitary certificates are pretty common. I don't know if that's what happened in this specific case...And I don't know Olga....But I'll bet we've all eaten an imported product pretty recently.

Then - the other point already mentioned. If you're dead set against anyone having a fig tree that wasn't imported in under official circumstances....and you own trees whereby you can't confirm their origin....Then you may want to consider destroying your collection....Where do you think your Chicago Hardy came from?

Happy figging everyone!

[QUOTE=TorontoJoe]Who said it was illegal? I can't speak for the USA but in Canada, it's not illegal to import fig cuttings from Italy or many other country's providing you do it correctly. From Italy to Canada for instance, there are very legal (and common) ways to import fig cuttings provided they don't include leaves, roots or soil. We eat all manner of imported fruits and vegetables. That's how they do it. Not illegal. Today I think I ate a kiwi grown in Mexico and a strawberry from somewhere....not here.

Phytosanitary certificates are pretty common. I don't know if that's what happened in this specific case...And I don't know Olga....But I'll bet we've all eaten an imported product pretty recently.

Then - the other point already mentioned. If you're dead set against anyone having a fig tree that wasn't imported in under official circumstances....and you own trees whereby you can't confirm their origin....Then you may want to consider destroying your collection....Where do you think your Chicago Hardy came from?

Happy figging everyone!

[/QUOTE]

HarveyC Registered:06/02/08 Posts: 3,303

Posted 07/31/13 Reply with quote  #4  You are required to have an import permit through APHIS and the cuttings must be sent with a phytosanitary certificate and then you must keep them in quarantine for a period of time specified on your import permit (2 years, I believe).  Cuttings from Canada are not required to undergo a quarantine period but all other foreign origins do. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14

I'm pretty sure you can get cuttings from Canada, Thailand, China,  somewhere in South America..
If I will find papers from USDA I will tell you exactly..But they saying info keep changing, so first you need to check list of countries from where you can get cuttings on USDA web..

Sellers aren't required to show sources when they sell cuttings. The only reason figs are restricted is a longhorn beetle which I'm pretty certain lives in Malaysia, don't quote me. In any case, the question if Olga's authenticity as a seller has been resolved. I like to get the opinion of others on sellers, but I think people are getting very very paranoid. As figs become more interesting, more people buy, grow and sell them.

By the way, thanks for weighing in Olga.

I think it is that same longhorn beetle that is wiping out all of the figs on the island of Malta. I used to think that members here were responsible enough to handle something like that but now that they are importing to distribute I take that back.

What drives people to want exotic varieties from far off lands? Netflix series? Money? Loneliness? The people who brought the varieties we have today did it for love...

Anyway, for those of you who have not been around very long, the forums are not immune to scammers, although some people will publicly deny that to the bitter end, for some reason. But the reality is that people can say "I just broke the law and imported cuttings from the farthest corners of the earth" and there is nothing that the USDA can do about it. Why? Because this is the internet and people lie, seriously, it is a golden opportunity to rip people off. If you see someone talking about getting such and such from Europe they might be setting out bait for unsuspecting newbies such as yourself to message them and request a purchase. Ever wonder why some people seem to stick their noses into every thread to disclose that they have the topic variety?

More people are selling figs now and that is about it, overall interest has declined in the past 2 years, fewer new growers, less interesting conversations, less experience being shared overall. 

Just my 2c. I doubt many people will want to read it but it is a good thing to remember that how we behave will attract or repel certain types of people and that will shape our future.

Hello, everyone!
This is very interesting..
I was wondering who is a "pofigist" and why this post happen now, when this listing go for few weeks already..
And why this person don't put the name anywhere?
Harvey.. this will be interesting for you..
You remember scamers from 2 years from now who made crazy my auctions? Guess who???
This person.. who I did try help in beginning trying to put me in trouble for a some time now..
Harvey..I think you need to finish what you start early..
Olya.

"More people are selling figs now and that is about it, overall interest has declined in the past 2 years, fewer new growers, less interesting conversations, less experience being shared overall. "

I have been a member since 2010 or before, I would have to look up the old email of membership.
Over the years I notice a new group of newbies rotate through 4f4.
I find it funny that the newest members seem to have the most to say.
Disgusted with the forum or people on it at times made me not want to be a part of
it what so ever. So I deleted my account. Well I get excited about figs too and then end up re joining.

None the less I have been the route with the usda.
They contacted me a year or more later about cuttings I bought from china.
I had after getting the first letter, ripped up the fig trees from those cuttigs
and I took pictures with name tags still attached.
Then I put them on a roaring hot  fire and burnt them to ashes.
I just so happened to video them burning as well.
Those photos and movie was the only thing that prevented a private visit by the usda
in my area.  I called them told them what I did and sent a man a email with the pictures and movie.
We discussed the laws and I apologized.
He was fine with that and dropped it.
Others may not be so lucky as he said he could take any questionable trees he likes.
I did not want him in my newly growing orchard.

I'm losing the thrill of figs or trying to help noobs.
I just grow em.

Doug

About longhorn beetle.. I think this is a real dangerous..And everyone need to be very careful , if this creaure will get here.. we will lose all our figs, so, please, please, be careful.. Our country have no defence to this beetle.. 
On other hand.. I find out here in US we do have ambrosia beetle, what also killing figs trees..
And this beetle live in north part of US.. So, everyone need to be careful and check they plants all the time..
Before I find out about this ambrosia beetle I was not so paranoid.. but after I find out in the middle of the night with flash light I went outside and start checking every one my plant..
And I find out few plants have deformation on the trunk near soil, this deforming happen must be 2-3 years from now, nothing fresh.. I think because I'm putting figs on top of red mulch, covering soil in pots with red mulch, keep spraying plants with 10% Clorox and mix of neem oil and dish soap, I must be kill them back then and even don't know about this till now.. So, I guess, me spraying kill them all.. So, everyone, please, check your plants, and be very careful..
Thank you!
Olga.

Good advice.
We have the beetles in North Carolina and South Carolina.
Alan in NC reported his.
Just last year while walking in orchard I noticed a hole right where I took a cutting
from the year before. The hole has sawdust around it so I knew I had a problem.
I went back to malathion to spray my trees. I spray early spring before leaves bud
and in the fall after harvest.
this year no holes.
Although I really do not like the idea of using chemicals, but when it comes to borrers
I do what is necessary.

Sorry if off topic

Doug

Funny, Olga, question was not about you, but you took it personally.

All I want to know if it is legal to bring/sell/buy cuttings from continent .
I simply do not want to buy something which will include as a bonus visit from Agriculture.
Do not imply any other ideas.

The implications are in the very first post, although edited, still there is an implication that lead to Olya's conclusion that she is being used as an example. The ebay listing is Olya's. The words new trend/scam are sort of personal if her ebay listing is displayed.  Unknowns are really not fancy names. Now I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt of your intention if you just asked....


Is it a new trend/scam to bring cuttings from other country illegally and sell under fancy names?

.....without posting her ebay user name and listing. You would have received replies to your question without all of this drama.

  At this point the USDA has monitored ebay for years and has allowed ebay, the seller, paypal, and in affect the agent, to profit from this set up without warnings added or valid disclaimers.

  They are all complicit  in their actions in the relation to profiting from collusive entrapment. I would contact my attorney and not let them in my house period. I would push that fact to an arrest whereby a significant lawsuit against all parties mentioned are enacted.

  You can go to US ebay right now and the listings show they are from out of the country. It has been this way for years. So if this is "illegal", ebay and paypal are wantonly, repeatedly, knowingly and purposefully, committing and profiting from continued perpetuation of illegal activity subjecting it's users to unreasonable and unwarranted interventions and collusive confiscations for profit.

  If this is "still" happening a class action lawsuit could be prudent

[QUOTE=pofigist]All I want to know if it is legal to bring/sell/buy cuttings from continent .[/QUOTE]

So why didn't you ask that simple question instead of implying there was a scam at hand? Easy enough, no?

@Garlic_Mike eBay has been warned about the fig scammers repeatedly ripping off people and has been provided with hard evidence of their activities by senior members of the forums and yet they continue to ignore the info, continue to refuse to take the scammers down and in effect continue to aid and abet the criminal's fraudulent activities... No surprises in anything that eBay does to ensure that their fees continue to come in...

Wayne, I agree, there's too much drama in pofigist posts, and one cannot help but conclude that it is personal despite him/her denying it. I don't think that there is enough space over here to list all foreign fig varieties that are being listed on eBay by domestic sellers. First of all I don't buy anything from overseas any more, especially after getting visited by the AD a couple of years ago, but this is what I believe: If the USDA has any problems with figs of a foreign origin, then the first thing that they must do is to ban all fig sales on eBay, confiscate everyone's collection in the US and then burn everything.

Yes, I know

I have personally and repeatedly given them extensive and specific information on many of them for several years.

I kept getting Dausername stuff pulled for being misrepresented by pictures, but they do not care, so any AG guy can kiss off with the rest of the made up crap. Any disease related to fig plants already exists in this country and the enforcement point is mute and purposefully irrelevant.

 I gave them, I believe, the 11 different usernames, and paypal information with the same address for Peony77 going back to 2008/9.

 If I get arrested it would be for beating the crap out of the AG guy for BS. Not for the plants.

Radyslava, seargantwardog, ebay. Dead crap from losers. Thanks again ebay!

Spot on, Mike, Spot on! I tried with them as well to no avail... they should be accountable but they are not....

So you saying in Malta this beetle a long time now?
I hear they got in South part of Europe not with ficus carica with ornamental ficus..
But, this is real scare.. And you saying this longhorn beetle already in US???
I was watching links on Internet.. and this is real bad.. One guy born his huge fig tree with tourches and kill them, tree survive..
Interesting if Clorox will kill them? 
I hear in Asia they have some other insect what kill this longhorn beetle..
I was myself very surprise when I saw on papers from USDA about they Ok with China..I think they come from China, so I talk to guy from USDA and told him , they need to change it, because of this beetle..
Fair sound good too..
I was wondering why couple years back In Italy they start collect samples from all varieties..I guess they was know bad things could happen..
I was hoping we don't have them here...
I still can't get over the Malta..

This post has covered a couple of things, one being the importation of invasive species. It seems apparent that some don't realize the economic and environmental damage that can follow an accidental release of an invasive species which can destroy not only commercial crops but also large tracks of forestland. 
In the northeast the asian long beetle (Anoplophor Glabripennis), a species which was first discovered in the US about 20 years ago, has become a persistent problem. The USDA and state agencies have spent over $150 million trying to contain it in Worcester county alone.
The Hemlock wooly adelgid has taken a toll on northern and eastern forest.
The total economic impact of invasive species is the tens of billions annually. Control alone in Calfornia cost several hundred million per year.

Their is a reason why the USDA has these checks in place.

Huge problem as the world shrinks and people have access to the farthest shores... Not nly in the plant kingdom... look at Florida and the issues with the monster snakes/pythons in the Everglades as well as invasive fish species...

The Emerald Ash Borer was discovered in the US near Detroit in 2002, Connecticut 2010.

The Ambrosia or Borer Beatle was discovered in California in 2003.

The Asian Longhorned Beatle was discovered in the US in 1996, NY 2007 and Boston in 2010 and has killed millions of ash trees throughout the Eastern US.

 There is another pest wiping out all the oak trees West of the Rocky Mountain range.

Nobody wants to spread anything around and think most affected wood could be noticed.

Point being A decade late and a dollar short. These circumstances are as likely, if not more than likely, to be spread among US trades than international ones at this point.

Hi, John!
Thank you very much for information!
We do have many people who grow figs in area you are talking about, please, tell how we can protect our gardens?
Like I said before..I'm crazy about my garden, so I today already went and got Malathion, mix it with water and spray all my plants.. just in case..In store on some bottles I saw some kill Japanise beetle, do I need to get those solutions too? And how often we need to spray?
I also got Captain Jacks deadbug, this one also killing borers , beetles, bagworms, caterpillars..
Thank you very much!
Olya.

Missed the Hemlocks

It is probably better to subscribe to "due diligence" and to keep an eye out for these "apex plant predators", and address findings as they occur, as opposed to chemical baths IMO.

Mike, last two years I got lots of figs from North parts of US,and from all over US... nothing from outside... so I'm worry..
I think better to be safe then sorry..
This is was a fight for me here for many years to keep my plants alive, last year I found the way to don't worry no more about nematodes, rust, FMV,  rain, flooding, plus hurricane didn't help.. 
I do know about loonghorn beetles for few years now..Paolo warn about them few years back..
But.. we do have a real problem here, becides them..
And.. even I live in south part.. I'm very worry..This climate too good for any bags..
So I bath today all my figs.. many still have almost ripe figs, but I spray any way..I can wait till next year..

You must be much farther south than I am Olga. My figs have been dormant for two months.

Here only few figs go dormant, or go in different time, right now many start grow again..

[QUOTE=Olga]Here only few figs go dormant, or go in different time, right now many start grow again..[/QUOTE]

Hi Olga ,
Are those pictures in the auction yours? Because I see another auction of the same variety and same pictures from a seller based in Italy. The sellers eBay name is seeds4gardens. On your auction you have same pictures and almost same description . Here is the link.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291944578813

Hi, Vinny, my own still have no figs on..
But , they originally come from the same place..
And another thing..
I don't want to say about this before..But this #1 most likely on the same line like Ponte Tresa.. They are so good..
But, because of auctions in the paste went crazy..
Was just buy it now and not a crazy price..
But I real don't want to keep this just for myself..
This one deserve to be shared...
And I'm happy were they went..
Hope they all will root and this variety will make people happy..
Olya.

Wow… What happened to advice “Ask before you buy on eBay”?

Most of inquiries include name of seller and item in question. Mine was the same.

Now let’s forget about emotions and consider only facts.

1. Seller of cuttings is Saint with knowledge of problems with fig trees in Italy, and by his/her own statement has a problem with her own trees. Still selling cuttings on eBay. Too much for keeping fig community safe.

2. Nobody knows rules and laws of import of cuttings to USA.

3. Some, (I will not say most or all, but some) members want to get new variety known or unknown, at any expense  from other country despite the fact that it can be risks to USA agriculture and possibility of destroying commercial orchards.

And some members prefer to get emotional instead of discussing an issue.

Regarding statement “Who is Pofigist?” It was stated many tines here that some Government authorities monitor this forum for whatever reason.

So it will be “smart” to let them know who you are and what have you done.

 And it always was a beauty of forums that you can use a nickname. And I am not looking for popularity or chance to sell/buy using this forum. And I do not care about fact that many do. After all it is expensive hobby and it is only reasonable to get some $$ to cover this obsession.

OK, "pofigist" or "Peonia" Or how you call yourself now? you did have so many names in the past..
First of all.. USDA know me very well.. We comunicate all the time..
Second I don't have sick plants.. But because I'm getting plants all the time, I want my plants prevent from getting sick..
Now.. you try to sell figs all the time.. with little success.. how I understand..
But, I hear you scaming people with other plants too..not only with figs.. You putting " fancy names" on basic varieties..I guess hoping to get top $???
I just don't understand, why you don't want to try at list one time to be honest..
And beside.. What about Greece? And other countries?
You jumping all over here.. why? Because you try to find the way to start making money?
I told you before.. Most people here grow figs because they love them, and yes, some to grow to make the money..I don't blame them..But at list when they sell them, they sell them with the right name..


Why I decide to share this time?
I real don't like to sell, real don't like to cut my plants..
But like you are saying.. With situation what going on in South Europe, how I can be the only one, who have this variety, specially If I know how good this one is?
I already got my lesson with LUV..
I did have this variety and lost few years back..
If before I share this one with somebody else, now we will have this variety, but..in the past I did have my collection very private..
But if something happen to me.. all this varieties will be lost..My husband hate figs.. he will get rid off all of them..and will don't think twice..
I love my figs, I'm watching them, try to do everything for them..but I'm not a 20 years any more..
How now I can have them only for myself when right in this topic people saying about problems?
And no..I don't planning to sell any..
But they will go to good hands.. to people who real love and care about figs..
For some reason you choose figs for yourself.. just to make the money..
You real don't care about figs, or people..
Few years already you trying.. and things don't work for you like you wish..
Ones again.. may be find some other way to make the money?
I almost dead..I don't care about money..why I will?
I can't take them with me..
Olya

"And it always was a beauty of forums that you can use a nickname. And I am not looking for popularity or chance to sell/buy using this forum. And I do not care about fact that many do. After all it is expensive hobby and it is only reasonable to get some $$ to cover this obsession." It would be helpful if you told us where you sell your figs and under which name, because I'm having a tough time believing that you are here to discuss figs. If you ever find out what is legal or what is not, please let us know.

Ok, just few minutes ago I was begging you, Olga, not to get personal.

As you wish, I will repeat my PM to you
        

I find it curious that Pofigist is having a battle about fig authenticity to put it loosely, and after a year of being on here hasn't posted or commented on or about any topics having to deal specifically with figs, growing figs or a fig variety. Just seems odd.

I am not selling anything yet. I am just researching," what and why".
I have a farm and looking for plants to grow. May be figs, but need more time to research.
It is why legal aspect more  interesting  for me than rumors and emotions.

Need to know how to buy and sell, what is good and what is bad. And fig authenticity seems a huge problem.
Like an idea that one can use this forum as a platform for free advertisement big time.

If you start a post saying where you live and your grow zone, general climate, people will give you helpful suggestions. From there it's trying. There are about 2000 cultivars of ficus Carica, not all grow well everywhere, not all grow in the time your zone allows, not all will be to your liking, and some need the wasp. It's a learning by doing process more than anything else.

It's very simple. You need to grow some figs first, then you hire a lawyer to help you with the paperwork.

My personal opinion is that we are once again dealing with the abcd/Bernard/garden/Alex complex
attempting a strange retribution for their failing ebay sales.

I am not selling anything yet. I am just researching," what and why".
I have a farm and looking for plants to grow. May be figs, but need more time to research.
It is why legal aspect more  interesting  for me than rumors and emotions.

Need to know how to buy and sell, what is good and what is bad. And fig authenticity seems a huge problem.
Like an idea that one can use this forum as a platform for free advertisement big time.



Wow realy?
I still have our e-mails from few years back..
And you are don't try to sell??? Wow..

@Paul, I mean this whole episode in unnecessary. Pofigist, regarding fig authenticity, just to make you feel better, my best figs are unknowns. So don't worry about fig authenticity unless you end up with an apple tree on your farm. You don't need to attack your fellow growers/Sellers on a personal level in order to do your research.

Sas,

You're dealing with a chimera.It'll morph as conditions require.

Olga... Frankly you don't need to defend yourself from scammer moles.... As far as I personally am concerned, you have earned your stripes and your reputation on the forums and FB by virtue of your love of your plants and open interactions with the community; your reputation is solid. When I scan through eBay, I look to see if you have anything posted because I am confident of the quality of the plants that you make available and I am confident that regardless of whether the variety in question is an unknown or a formally named cultivar, it is there because it is worth having. Thumbs up!

I also scan the eBay postings and shake my head at all the ass wipe scammer auctions posted by the likes of the dregs of society; we know who they are, we watch, we warn those who listen and shake our heads when another victim falls pray to a cheap auction posting for what will prove out to be dead wood. We shake our heads because they operate with impunity on eBay, often aided and abetted in their criminal activity by the system they abuse. I guess its hard for eBay to cut off the scammers from operating when doing so results in a loss of their share of the auction sale.... Sometimes we see those scammers create forum id's and attempt to sow uncertainty; more frequently we see scammer moles trying to acquire free or cheap wood in bulk from forum members so that they can use that wood to send to auction buyers; buy advertised Ponte Tresa; get sent commodity BT (likely last years wood). 

In this case, it seems that a personal vendetta has been the cause of this forum posting; regardless of what the underlying intent of the post or who Pofigist really is (so many aliases, so little time), I doubt very much if many, or any, forum members in good standing really care much what Pofigist has to say (it may be time to discard that id and create a new one if the id is suspect) although he/she has every right to post whatever he/she wishes until such time that they run afoul of forum rules and get kicked off. If I were you, I would let their accusations and innuendo rub off your shoes just like any other dog crap you accidentally step on... and move on.

[QUOTE=Olga]Hi, Vinny, my own still have no figs on..
But , they originally come from the same place..[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that reply olga.
I know that source sells excellent cuttings, if you are recommending this variety then it must be a special one.

Cheers

Pofigist, whatever the intent of attacking Olga was it has backfired on you and simply served as a platform for her integrity to be made public. I, for one, never heard of her before this post was started. Now I've made her a seller I follow because so many well-respected forum members rose up and spoke for her. I won't hesitate to bid if she has something I'm interested in.

I do post on Rafed fig group a lot..
Easy to post pictures..
I right now went outside , we have right now 83F..
I made couple pictures a small one Chiapetta what I got from Peter and another one BLk Tuscan.. a gift from my dear friend ..
Wow, I try to resize and even 63 KB can't be post..
I don't sure how to post pictures here..

A thumbs up for arachyd's post. I agree and could not have said it better, and I also now have Olga added to my followed seller on eBay due to glowing comments posted here. If the more active well respected members of this forum themselves respect Olga, then that is good enough for me.

CliffH.

Cripes!!

Are you AKA peony77?

If you are, please leave, stay away, shut up and die.

If that is you pm me, 8 years of screwing people

Mike we try to be polite here, throwing stones never ends well.

I actually glad her post bring me here..
I don't come here too often, only when I want to do research on some fig.. My friend told me about this post, so I check it out..
But because of this topic now I know about situation in Malta, situation with beetles here..
I did  study something new and important..Now I feel little bit more protected from beetles because malathion, at list I can sleep..
I did post this info few years back, but may be this will be helfull for somebody else here..

[QUOTE=Olga]I actually glad her post bring me here..
I don't come here too often, only when I want to do research on some fig.. My friend told me about this post, so I check it out..
But because of this topic now I know about situation in Malta, situation with beetles here..
I did  study something new and important..Now I feel little bit more protected from beetles because malathion, at list I can sleep..
I did post this info few years back, but may be this will be helfull for somebody else here..

Thanks again Olya!  It goes to show the close relationship of our immune system and our food.

The one difficult thing is that some people just don't have the discipline to follow a strict regiment like this and give up old habits that they have enjoyed for years. 
When decision time hits it is very difficult and may be too late anyway.

[QUOTE=pofigist]All I want to know if it is legal to bring/sell/buy cuttings from continent .
I simply do not want to buy something which will include as a bonus visit from Agriculture.
Do not imply any other ideas.[/QUOTE]

Well FYI, it depends on each individual . If you are prepared to take that risk by all means do it and keep your mouth shut. Where do you think ponte tresa came from ?.. did someone imported it legally?.. I can also tell you that quiet a few well known members traded, bought ponte tresa cuttings from me , some even got it for FREE , and some even managed to get a fruit out of it since it's very healthy cutting straight from mother tree. They are just not man enough or have the balls to admit it and acts like some posh privileged class , pure BS lol.

It was first honest answer. Respect!

I will post this massage few times, just to make sure that it is what you get if you play against some very vindictive members of this forum.
I know my action will hurt some members, but it is what it is- illegal trade should be stopped.

Just got a visit from USDA. They got a phone call from concerned citizen- fig collector from CA.

It was about my eBay purchases from other countries. They give me name of a person as I refused to answer any questions before I know a source of complaint. I will not mention a name, will let you guess if you know something about fig community.

One of the sellers/growers/collectors who is losing a lot from GreenFin operation and has a lot of friends in Thailand. It is really easy to guess. Especially taking into consideration person who is attacking GreenFin very aggressive lately. What a coincidence….

Let me tell you what is going to happen now.

I will start working on eBay information available for public- who is selling and getting fig cuttings from oversees. Really easy to get all this information from eBay seller feedback. And identity and country from buyer is clearly indicated on their profile. Easy as cake.

I will order from this sellers to get verification of addresses and names. And will not only report them to USDA but send all purchased cuttings as an evidence and printouts of eBay listings with names of cuttings and description of figs.  “Rare variety from Spain”, let’s say- and it will be up to seller to explain how they got a variety from Spain without legal papers. But it is not a biggest problem- visit from USDA will be fun. 

As this person proudly advertising his Facebook account I will be able to get a lot of information about his varieties and buyers from other countries. Sure it is going to take time, but somebody has to stop this person from feeling to be a king of fig community, even if he is ,it is still not fear to attack fellow fig growers.

Ops.. I forgot that it is not about comradery but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$....

It will explain a lot about few comments about GreenFin and his operation from a member who was registered 10 min before he post a negative comments.

Remember a member who was teaching you that it is illegal to sell/buy to/from other countries, but was getting all kind of cuttings from everywhere and then selling them on eBay?

 I will not mention Ponte Tresa but it is a good example. Remember last year sale of PT cuttings $80 each from CA seller. It must hurt a lot this year as GreenFin selling cuttings of the same tree only for $20.

Please spare your comments about Karma and such, be more specific if you want to discuss this issue.

Remember it is a public forum and it is a free country.

I will be preoccupied with my research and dealing with USDA.

Peonia, 
this is very interesting.. First, if USDA come visit you, this is mean they check yours Ebay account, this is the only way they will come to see you, not because somebody tell them to do this..
So, don't blame other people..
You all the time speaking about stopping people from buying from other countries, but right here you saying USDA visit you, this is mean you got plants or cuttings from other countries, so who do you want to stop first? yourself?
You saying you hear first honest answer and you paid your respect..
Do you know why no one post after?

Olga, you better keep quiet - you have a long record of importing figs from other countries.
I have nothing against you- you may be a perfect person- why not- but importing plants illegally has nothing to do with that.
And please stop guessing who I am, it is pointless. But you probably have few “admirers" as you keep mentioning the same names.

OK, we don't talk here about me any more..
You now try to attack another person..
You don't like peonia.. I see you like much better dausername?
May be USDA come because you try to sell Blk Madeira, White Madeira, Vasilika Mavra Sika?
They don't sound local?
I don't see any point for you here to try to blame another person here for USDA visit..
Here everyone know they do watch Ebay accounts and if you even one time got anything from other country they keep watching your account..and they keep coming with visits..
Real I can't understand you...

Nop.... Wrong...... I was talking about you as illegal importer of figs from Italy, lets say.
So do not change a topic.

So, this is you or me got visited?
You start post talking about USDA visited you???

Please, and you start your old song with calling me names and accusations. It is a different tune, darling.

Olga, hope you offer more of your find, what a decent price it went for too! Don't pay attention to the guy with that stick sticking out from where the sun don't shine.
My collection is modest as I can't swing bucks for the rare ones, and don't want to sell to make the money back, I tend to give away figs, so I'm never able to make the money back.