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hllyhll
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I give the made up name "mountain figs" to cultivars that can grow in ground in zone 6 at a certain age that have a chance to survive winter with minimal or no protection and then can bear fruit during the short warm season. Again, I think of "mountain figs" as both cold hardy and early ripening, as they need be in a cold zone with a short season, when grown in ground. Below is the cultivar list I've come up with to this point. Mistakes? Missing? Superstars? Your top five "mountain figs"? I am new to figs as of last year so am basing this list on research rather than my own experience. Next year I'll have a report on various in ground trials in zone 6. -Tony "MOUNTAIN FIGS" (Cold Hardy Early Ripening Cultivars - CHERC) DARK
LIGHT
??? POSSIBLE OTHER "MOUNTAIN FIGS" (CHERC)
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Herman2
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Your list is compete. |
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Chivas
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Supposedly Doree will survive this climate as well, but I have no evidence of this, would be interesting if anyone has information to confirm this or if it's just unconfirmed. |
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Luke
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Noire De Caromb, is from the mountains, or so I read. |
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Ekierk
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Amazing list. I wanna have one of everyone cultivar. Maybe Nordland can be added to that list? I dont have it but i heard it was hardy. Also Hardy Hartford defiantly should be on that list. |
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Rewton
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Fico Preto (a.k.a Figo Preto I assume) would not be a good choice in your zone from what I have read. It is supposed to ripen a bit faster than Black Madeira but is still a late ripening fig and needs a relatively long, warm season. I would love to be proven wrong but I think it would need serious protection to survive the winter in the ground in your area. |
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robertharper
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Tony, different people have different definitions of cold hardy. |
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hllyhll
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Bob, the several cultivars listed on the bottom of the Dark Fig list made their way there due largely to your postings. Likewise, the several cultivars listed on the top of the Dark Fig list are there due largely to the postings of Vasile (Herman2) on the forums. And the postings of many others factored into these lists. You and Vasile and many others have written about most of these various cultivars in telling detail it seems to me, enough so that the Dark and Light lists could be better ordered and defined, at least tentatively. Given the observations of you and Vasile and others, maybe the top and the bottom of the Dark list contain the most cold hardy cultivars. The Mt Etna cultivars (and the Mt Etna-like cultivars) are in the first half of of Dark fig list, generally, though maybe not perfectly. I don't know about the Light list. There is a lot of wishing and hoping or uncertainty going on with the Possible Others list, at this point. |
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robertharper
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Tony, I should add that the three that I recommend for a zone 5b/6a, without winter cover, would be after the plant has become mature. May 5 to 7 years. Even then it would depend on the growers experience. |
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hllyhll
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Yes, a lot needs to be controlled for. (Meanwhile, the surest and seemingly simplest way to grow any fig cultivar in cold areas is in a big pot of pine bark and peat moss with a touch of lime, set in full sun in summer and stored away from the elements in winter. I'll always keep potted fallbacks. Once I got my cultivars out of a too heavy soil mix and into that better growing medium - pine bark, peat moss, lime (a stripped down version of Tapla's 5-1-1 mix) - they really took off. When not in a pinch I go full Tapla by mixing in some perlite or gran-i-grit too. I eventually add some coffee grounds and a bit of whatever organic fertilizer I have on hand.) That pine bark based growing medium is a pleasure to handle too. Beats "soil" by miles. I like to use the handle Mountain Figs for cold region figs, partly because the state where I live is nicknamed the Mountain State. I think that less than 5 percent of the state is flat, maybe 3 percent. Apparently it's the only state that lies entirely within the Appalachian Mountains, with "90 percent of West Virginia in slopes of more than 10 percent grade." Like most people here, I live on a steep slope, across from another steep slope (which helps with drainage of the largely clay soil). Any figs that grow outdoors here will have earned their mountain stripes. Would a -40 degree edible fig cultivar not already be propagated far beyond Iran? Like apples, which apparently originated in Iran's neighbor, Turkey. Whatever the case, around here, the more cold hardy the better.
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pawpawbill
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Great thread. How old should the cold hardier plants be before planted in ground in zone 7? |
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Chrisware
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Tony, Sent you an email! I'm in WV too. I'm near Buckhannon. Where you located? I'm still trying to convince myself to put one of my hardy Chicagos in the ground in the spring. Which ones do you grow in the ground? Chris |
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hllyhll
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Chris, I'm north of you near the PA border, in I think zone 6b very close to 6a. This will be the first year that I try figs in ground over winter: marseilles, verte, celeste, improved celeste, hardy chicago, salem dark, and some other cultivars. Very young, so I expect die back to the ground, hopefully not worse. I recently acquired some of the other hardy or hardier cultivars but won't try them in ground until next year. |
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robertharper
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*BILL, to be on the safe side the fig should be between 5 to 7 years old. |
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rcantor
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I'm in 6a and Hardy Chicago does fine here. I've had mine in ground unprotected for 20 years but I've started protectin it to get fruit earlier. If wrapped it hasn't died to the ground yet. Last winter it was 5 below |
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recomer20
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Thanks for bumping this thread. I've been looking for a list like this. |
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jdsfrance
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You can add "Dalmatie" to the list. It is a green/yellow skinned fig . |
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1FigMama
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I'm curious about Lyndhurst White. I've read several posts indicating it's very cold resistant, but it's not on the list above. Does that mean it ripens too late? I'm interested since I'm in 6a/b and I just bought cuttings of it. Thanks! |
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hllyhll
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Calling all Lyndhurst White growers: Is this a cold hardy and early ripening cultivar? I've seen some comments in passing that indicate it may be. I don't know how much this cultivar is being focused on and "tested" though. I have a meager rooted cutting of the cultivar, nothing much to try out. |
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nkesh099
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Luke, |
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bigbadbill
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Yes, Lyndhurst white is hardy. I left it out in a pot all winter last year in zone 6b/7a. It survived and was vigorous. Not to mention it was great tasting. It is top 3 light variety for me. It was a little late, but everything was this past summer due to rain and colder conditions. |
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Let_alone_this_year_also
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Subscribed |
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Luke
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[QUOTE=nkesh099]Luke, |
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hllyhll
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Update on wintering over with mulch in "Zone 6b": Coldest winter in decades here, I think, hit back to back -9 degrees Fahrenheit but daily highs typically climbed above 10 degrees. I put a variety of 1 year olds and rooted cuttings into the ground in summer, cut them back to near ground level in fall and mulched them mostly under with wood chips and leaves. What I've learned is that by early May virtually everything buds back out. Varieties ranged from the reputedly hardier Sal's GS/EL and Celeste, and Hardy Chicago to the reputedly not so hardy LSU Purple and Improved Celeste, among others. The Mary Lane cultivar seems to be the only one trialed that has not budded out yet but it looks good so I expect that it will. (Anyway, I took three clones off it last fall and they are all doing well.) |
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hllyhll
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Another quick update on zone 6 over-wintering and growing: I put multiple very young cultivars into the ground last year here in zone 6b (either just rooted or first year). They all died back to the ground and then they all budded out this spring. A few cultivars have fruited: 2 light, 2 dark: Binello (which may be also Gallo?) and Brooklyn White (from seller nature-park) (which may be an unusually precocious strain of White Marseilles, one guess), a particular Celeste strain and Hardy Chicago (barely). I hope to see some newly in-grounded Mount Etnas fruit after die-back next year. Had very few Mt. Etnas in the ground this past year. Currently, Brooklyn White is promising to be the most fruit-productive as a small tree (plant size, really), whether in ground or in pot, although Improved Celeste gives it a serious run for its money in pot (does not winter over great at this point). I have not tasted Brooklyn White. I have tasted Improved Celeste (last year) which is excellent. Binello and maybe certain Celeste strains, and maybe Gino's too seem to be unusually good young fruiters. At least that's what I have witnessed this past year so far.
Not what I had expected: 2 light figs seem the most fruit-productive after total winter die-back: Brooklyn White (nature-park) and Binello (Gallo?). [Edit: "Brooklyn White" turned out to be misnamed. It is an unknown Mount Etna type, dark fig, and my earliest to ripen this year. Ripened August 20 in pot, and September 1 in ground after dying back to the ground over winter. Celeste from Petals from the Past (not their Improved Celeste) ripened September 3 in ground after dying back to the ground over winter.] As for maybe the best dark possibilities, quite a lot of Mount Etna cultivars and plenty of other dark cultivars will get their first tests or better tests this year. UPDATE AGAIN: within a rainy day of posting this, a full die-back in-ground Improved Celeste has pushed out several distinct figlets. Given that Improved Celeste ripens its figs relatively quickly, I assume these will ripen this year in addition to the few other cultivars mentioned above. The young full die-back cultivars that have not pushed fruit this year: Marseilles, Lattarula, Italian Honey, Lemon, Blanche, Texas Everbearing, Kadota, Banana, Mary Lane, Sultane, Magnolia, Brunswick, Conadria, most Celeste, most Hardy Chicago, Salem Dark and Sal's GS/EL though I am hopeful for next year with these latter two. Most of the others I will not give a second chance to winter and will dig them up to grow in pots. |
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hllyhll
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Another "mountain fig" came through today: Improved Celeste. Picked and eaten this afternoon. I'm learning to follow the ants. When little ants start walking on particular fig fruits looking for a way into the sweetness, the fig is clearly ripe. The ants are easily blown off when the fruit is picked.
That is, the Dark fig cultivars are being confirmed right down the line. While the Light fig cultivars, not so much. There is a chance that one or more of the Light figs cultivars listed there will ripen fruit this year, but the most likely Light cultivars to ripen for me in-ground this year after dieback to the ground include two cultivars not listed: Binello (Gallo?) and Banana. |
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GreenFin
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I've read through this thread multiple times over the past year and really appreciate it. Thanks for making it, Tony. |
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hllyhll
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James, will be interesting to see how Salce springs back next year from the ground. Do you have pictures of the Salce leaves as grown outdoors? |
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GreenFin
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[QUOTE=hllyhll]James, will be interesting to see how Salce springs back next year from the ground. Do you have pictures of the Salce leaves as grown outdoors?[/QUOTE] |
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pino
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Very impressive James! Nice to see Salce growing in ground in Z6a. |
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Charley
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I want to thank all of you for the continuing updates and evaluations in this great thread. |
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GreenFin
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[QUOTE=pino]Very impressive James! Nice to see Salce growing in ground in Z6a.[/QUOTE] |
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drphil69
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Fantastic thread for everyone in cold zones! Thanks! |
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hllyhll
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Thus far, in ground, no protection, die-back to ground, zone 6b, fruit ripening dates: Mount Etna Unknown: 9/1 -- 1 year old bush (planted by cement drive) Celeste PP: 9/3 -- 2 year old bush (planted in open ground) Improved Celeste: 9/13 -- 2 year old bush (planted by cement & house) Hardy Chicago: 9/20 -- 1 year old bush (planted in open ground) Binello: 9/29 -- 1 year old bush (planted in open ground) Binello is the first light exterior fig to ripen here after ground dieback. All have dark interiors, with the Celestes being the least dark. 2014 Herman2 ripening from ground dieback: Ronde De Bordeaux: 9/1 Improved Celeste: 9/1 St Anthony: 9/6 Takoma Violet: 9/10 Adriatic JH: 9/11 |
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MGorski
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This is a great thread, I love cold hardiness reports. I have often wondered why some plants don't produce a fig crop after dieback to the ground, when they will produce figs on new wood when not killed to the ground, it's all new wood, so what's the difference? Mike in Hanover, VA |
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hllyhll
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Should have also mentioned that Tim Clymer has noted this year (Earliest In-Ground...post #40), in a similar if slightly warmer growing zone, Improved Celeste and Florea ripened in late August after dieback to ground. And his Marseilles Black ripened 9/5 (I assume after ground dieback).
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pino
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Hi Tony |
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GreenFin
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Thanks for the update and consolidation with Tim's results, Tony. |
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hllyhll
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Pino, U. Ciccio Nero sounds like a "Mountain fig" to me, cold tough, early ripening, and should be included on an exhaustive list of such figs that anyone might want to draw up or keep updated at any point. |
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pino
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Hi Tony |
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rofig
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Tony, you could add the cultivar Black Cartagena to your cold hardy fig tree list. |
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timclymer
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Malta Black should be added to the list in my opinion. It's a "Mt Etna" type but seems different in that it's earlier and perhaps larger. Mine's in a poor location in the orchard but still ripened fruit pretty early (maybe within a few days to a week of Marseilles Black VS). Like most all of my figs it died to the ground. Location in a yard can have a lot to do with ripening dates if one tree happens to get a bit more shade than another. |
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tylerj
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Tim its funny you said that last line... as I was looking through this thread that's what I was thinking too. MBvs, Sal's EL, Hardy Chicago, Black Bethlehem.... honestly if my plants lost their labels I'd be in trouble figuring out which is which. Leaves are the same... fruit appears the same. My Angelo's Dark (which hasn't fruited yet) also looks similar. Just how big is Mt Etna anyways lol... could there be that many different ones there?? lol |
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hllyhll
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Tim, Malta Black is on my original "Mountain Figs" list (post #1 here). I had mistakenly thought it was a Mount Etna fig, but clearly it's not, very different leaves. It seems better than a Mount Etna fig. My Malta Black went into the ground this spring also in a poor location and also is the only cultivar in that location that has ripened. It's loaded, it's still growing, and yes the figs look bigger than Mount Etna figs. Though it's very anecdotal, the one ripe fig so far was amazing, like a big VDB. I didn't put my Malta Black on the dieback list this year because it did not dieback to ground here but came out of garage. Next year I expect mine to make that list and I expect it to be one of the best "mountain figs" up there with RDB, the best Mt. Etna strains, and so on. |
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timclymer
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Off-hand my list of died-back-but-fruited: |
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hllyhll
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Updated list of this year's fig cultivars that have ripened fruit from ground dieback, in zone 6, based on reports from at least three states (Pennsylvania, New Jersey, West Virginia):
Does no one in zone 6 have a "Southern Brown Turkey" (likely a kind of Celeste) that has ripened fruit after dying back to the ground this winter? |
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xenil
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Hello guys! |
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schaplin
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Hi |
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pino
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Should Bayernfeige Violetta reputed as being the most cold hardy fig be on this list? |
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robertharper
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As to whether Bayernfeige Violetta should be on the list. |
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