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hllyhll

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I give the made up name "mountain figs" to cultivars that can grow in ground in zone 6 at a certain age that have a chance to survive winter with minimal or no protection and then can bear fruit during the short warm season. Again, I think of "mountain figs" as both cold hardy and early ripening, as they need be in a cold zone with a short season, when grown in ground. Below is the cultivar list I've come up with to this point. Mistakes? Missing? Superstars? Your top five "mountain figs"? I am new to figs as of last year so am basing this list on research rather than my own experience. Next year I'll have a report on various in ground trials in zone 6. -Tony

"MOUNTAIN FIGS"

(Cold Hardy Early Ripening Cultivars - CHERC)

DARK

  • Marseilles Black

  • Sal's GS/EL

  • Gino's Black

  • Takoma Violet

  • Malta Black

  • Hardy Chicago (Mongibello)

  • Salem Dark

  • Black Bethlehem

  • Dark Portuguese

  • Keddie

  • Improved Celeste

  • Celeste / Creech

  • Ronde de Bordeaux

  • Nero 600M / Valle Negra

  • Florea

  • Danny's Delight

  • LaRadek's English Brown Turkey

  • Hanc's English Brown Turkey

LIGHT

  • Marseilles White / Lemon / Blanche / Italian Honey / Lattarula

  • Stella

  • Hunt

  • Atreano

  • LSU Gold

  • Verte

??? POSSIBLE OTHER "MOUNTAIN FIGS" (CHERC)

  • Sicilian Black

  • Malta Purple Red

  • O'Rourke

  • Fico Preto

  • Natalina

  • Negretta

  • Palermo Red / Aldo / Sal's Corleone / Red Sicilian

  • Abruzzi

  • Adriatic JH

Herman2

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Your list is compete.
One thing you have to observe when you get your trees.
In your climate only healthy trees will make it ,doesn't matter the cultivar.

Chivas

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Supposedly Doree will survive this climate as well, but I have no evidence of this, would be interesting if anyone has information to confirm this or if it's just unconfirmed.

Luke

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Noire De Caromb, is from the mountains, or so I read.

Ekierk

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Amazing list. I wanna have one of everyone cultivar. Maybe Nordland can be added to that list? I dont have it but i heard it was hardy. Also Hardy Hartford defiantly should be on that list.

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Fico Preto (a.k.a Figo Preto I assume) would not be a good choice in your zone from what I have read.  It is supposed to ripen a bit faster than Black Madeira but is still a late ripening fig and needs a relatively long, warm season. I would love to be proven wrong but I think it would need serious protection to survive the winter in the ground in your area. 

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Tony, different people have different definitions of cold hardy.

We are testing a lot of the ones you have on your list.

My idea of cold hardy is that it can be grown outside without winter cover, in a zone 5b/6a.

So far, I would only recommend three for an area that cold, without winter cover.

Florea, LaRadek's EBT, and Hanc's EBT.

Although Hardy Harford was re-discovered by us growing in Hartford, Ct., with out cover for over 30 years. It was growing in a very protected spot. Hartford is a zone 6b. That is a lot warmer then 5b/6a. So, I do not recommend Hardy Hartford, any where colder then 6B, if it is planted in a well protected spot.

I have not learned how to add attachments to the F4F forum email yet. Send to me an email to robertcharper@gmail.com and I will send you a list of figs we are growing, and testing. I can attach the list to your email.

Bob @ T. Pine zone5b/6a Connecticut

hllyhll

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Bob, the several cultivars listed on the bottom of the Dark Fig list made their way there due largely to your postings. Likewise, the several cultivars listed on the top of the Dark Fig list are there due largely to the postings of Vasile (Herman2) on the forums. And the postings of many others factored into these lists. You and Vasile and many others have written about most of these various cultivars in telling detail it seems to me, enough so that the Dark and Light lists could be better ordered and defined, at least tentatively. Given the observations of you and Vasile and others, maybe the top and the bottom of the Dark list contain the most cold hardy cultivars. The Mt Etna cultivars (and the Mt Etna-like cultivars) are in the first half of of Dark fig list, generally, though maybe not perfectly. I don't know about the Light list. There is a lot of wishing and hoping or uncertainty going on with the Possible Others list, at this point.

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Tony, I should add that the three that I recommend for a zone 5b/6a, without winter cover, would be after the plant has become mature. May 5 to 7 years. Even then it would depend on the growers experience.

You will have to be able to not only control the cold, but also, soil moisture, winter winds, late winter early spring sun, amount of fertilizer given, and when it was given, whether or not the grower removed new fruit and new tip growth, after the 5th or 6th leaf, and probably several other factors, that I'm not aware of since our cold weather testing is not scientific. nor has our testing been long enough. But, hopefully as more and more growers like your self become interested, we will gain more and more knowledge on how to grow figs successfully in cold areas of the country. 

Because we have only been testing for cold hardy figs for around eight or so years, each year we find another factor effecting winter survival.

Although I'm not aware of any other figs that would take 6a cold, without cover I would not be surprise if some fig collector did find one.

Also, in my mind when one says mountain figs, I see the Iranian figs that I hear about. Figs that are suppose to be able to take as low as minus forty degrees Fahrenheit. I would imagine some time in the future fig growers will be able to order Iranian mountain figs from any nursery. 

But, until that day Florea main crop, LaRadek's EBT's breba crop only, and Hanc's EBT main crop, of which Herman has identified as actually being a very cold hardy version of Southern Brown Turkey, are the only figs I would want to try into a zone 5a

Bob @ T. Pine zone 5b/6a Connecticut   



hllyhll

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Yes, a lot needs to be controlled for. (Meanwhile, the surest and seemingly simplest way to grow any fig cultivar in cold areas is in a big pot of pine bark and peat moss with a touch of lime, set in full sun in summer and stored away from the elements in winter. I'll always keep potted fallbacks. Once I got my cultivars out of a too heavy soil mix and into that better growing medium - pine bark, peat moss, lime (a stripped down version of Tapla's 5-1-1 mix) - they really took off. When not in a pinch I go full Tapla by mixing in some perlite or gran-i-grit too. I eventually add some coffee grounds and a bit of whatever organic fertilizer I have on hand.) That pine bark based growing medium is a pleasure to handle too. Beats "soil" by miles.
 
I like to use the handle Mountain Figs for cold region figs, partly because the state where I live is nicknamed the Mountain State. I think that less than 5 percent of the state is flat, maybe 3 percent. Apparently it's the only state that lies entirely within the Appalachian Mountains, with "90 percent of West Virginia in slopes of more than 10 percent grade." Like most people here, I live on a steep slope, across from another steep slope (which helps with drainage of the largely clay soil). Any figs that grow outdoors here will have earned their mountain stripes.
 
Would a -40 degree edible fig cultivar not already be propagated far beyond Iran? Like apples, which apparently originated in Iran's neighbor, Turkey. Whatever the case, around here, the more cold hardy the better.

pawpawbill

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Great thread. How old should the cold hardier plants be before planted in ground in zone 7?

Chrisware

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Tony, Sent you an email! I'm in WV too. I'm near Buckhannon. Where you located? I'm still trying to convince myself to put one of my hardy Chicagos in the ground in the spring. Which ones do you grow in the ground? Chris

hllyhll

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Chris, I'm north of you near the PA border, in I think zone 6b very close to 6a. This will be the first year that I try figs in ground over winter: marseilles, verte, celeste, improved celeste, hardy chicago, salem dark, and some other cultivars. Very young, so I expect die back to the ground, hopefully not worse. I recently acquired some of the other hardy or hardier cultivars but won't try them in ground until next year.

robertharper

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*BILL, to be on the safe side the fig should be between 5 to 7 years old.

Kept in a pot or covered if planted out side.

Make sure the root zone of the plant is insulated against freeze, with something like leaves or hay.

Make sure you put down mouse poison. Plus, a lot of other things needed to keep a fig alive in a northern climate.

Some times customers will come back in the spring, and say, "Bob I waited 5 years like you said". But, my plant lost a portion of it's top". You said it would be cold hardy after 5 to 7 years.

Then I have to explain to them, "Yes I said it would be hardy enough after 5 to 7 years to plant in the ground. I did not say the entire plant would be cold hardy enough. Remember the top one to three feet of growth you had last summer was only one year old. Not 5 or 7 years old, like the bottom portion. But, that is not a problem. Since in the north, one has to grow figs in a bush form, they have to be pruned back each year to a height of 2 to three feet. Main crop fig fruit forms each year on new wood, not old wood".


I do not have a lot of experience in what figs would do good in your part of the country. But, from what you described I think Florea would be at the top of my list.

If you would like a list of what we have been testing for growing in a northern climate, send me an email, and I will attach the list of figs to your return email.

My email address is robertcharper@gmail.com

Bob @ T. Pine 


   


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I'm in 6a and Hardy Chicago does fine here.  I've had mine in ground unprotected for 20 years but I've started protectin it to get fruit earlier.   If wrapped it hasn't died to the ground yet.  Last winter it was 5 below

recomer20

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Thanks for bumping this thread. I've been looking for a list like this. 


jdsfrance

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You can add "Dalmatie" to the list. It is a green/yellow skinned fig .

I've it since sept. 2010 inground - bought as a rooted tree of 50 cm height and a one centimeter large stem.
I think/would say that I'm in zone 6 as well; although 2012 sent me to Zone 5.
"Dalmatie" will grow in a small bush. I'm still evaluating it, and I might well next years remove the whole breba crop from it .
The reason for that is that the brebas from "Dalmatie" tend to go "funny" shaped .

In 2011, I had no "Dalmatie" breba and the main crop did ripe earlier / 15 big figs with seeds inside and flesh yellow/brown.
In 2012,  ... It survived, which was already a good thing - no ripe figs / None of my figs did ripe whatever the cultivar.
In 2013, I had brebas with some (not standard) "funny shapes" (2) and sort of blue flesh/ no seeds inside (5) / Those figs where shorter than in 2011 - I had then some 5 main crop figs, but the tree was still recovering from 2012 frost.
In winter 2011,2012,2013, I protected it with a wooden frame covered with plastic around - but not well tied sothat wind was going inside but not the snow and rain.
In winter 2014(now ad I'm posting - I know we are still in autumn as per my calendar but ok), I protected it to hopefully get more figs next year :) .

Now some remarks about my tree and its setup :
1. It is not planted nearby a house - and that would help a lot .
2. It is planted in a zone of gardens, so no one is heating his house in the vicinity .
3. I planted it directly inground in my clay ground - For my new trees I'm mixing the clay with 60L compost from a shop, and they are planted inground in a 80 L pot with removed bottom - for rodent protection and tying the roots as well.
 A daughter of my tree is growing in such a setup since september 2012. I'll see which one performs better in the future .
Both trees are at 1,80 meter in height - but one is more bushy, and the second has 3 stems .

I have other varieties, but they are still too new to report relevant information on them.
All my trees have protections this year, because I had some plastic bags at hand, and I bought some 80 liters pots to put around almost each tree . I removed the bottom of the pots to get the branches through -
Hope this will help my Snowwhites have a smoothly winter rest.

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I'm curious about Lyndhurst White.  I've read several posts indicating it's very cold resistant, but it's not on the list above.  Does that mean it ripens too late? I'm interested since I'm in 6a/b and I just bought cuttings of it.  Thanks!

hllyhll

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Calling all Lyndhurst White growers: Is this a cold hardy and early ripening cultivar? I've seen some comments in passing that indicate it may be. I don't know how much this cultivar is being focused on and "tested" though. I have a meager rooted cutting of the cultivar, nothing much to try out.

nkesh099

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Luke,

NdC is not a cold hardy variant at all.

Navid.

bigbadbill

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Yes, Lyndhurst white is hardy.  I left it out in a pot all winter last year in zone 6b/7a.  It survived and was vigorous.  Not to mention it was great tasting.  It is top 3 light variety for me.  It was a little late, but everything was this past summer due to rain and colder conditions.

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Luke

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[QUOTE=nkesh099]Luke,

NdC is not a cold hardy variant at all.

Navid.[/QUOTE]
Just what I read, thankfully we don't have "really" bad winters here.

"Noire de Caromb - This variety originates in the French Alps and is very cold resistant. -20c. In the Haute Savoie it caries its own brand. Fruits in July and October and the late fruits are often harvested in the first snows. Quite a small fig 60gms but very prolific. Very firm skin."

http://www.blackmoor.co.uk/products/16054#.UrbITPQgGSM

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Update on wintering over with mulch in "Zone 6b": Coldest winter in decades here, I think, hit back to back -9 degrees Fahrenheit but daily highs typically climbed above 10 degrees. I put a variety of 1 year olds and rooted cuttings into the ground in summer, cut them back to near ground level in fall and mulched them mostly under with wood chips and leaves. What I've learned is that by early May virtually everything buds back out. Varieties ranged from the reputedly hardier Sal's GS/EL and Celeste, and Hardy Chicago to the reputedly not so hardy LSU Purple and Improved Celeste, among others. The Mary Lane cultivar seems to be the only one trialed that has not budded out yet but it looks good so I expect that it will. (Anyway, I took three clones off it last fall and they are all doing well.)

Next report I suppose will be which of these sorts of in ground trials, if any, bounce back well enough to ripen fruit this season.

It seems the only serious damage suffered by these low cut trials was to a Stella fig that I gave the extra protection of a plastic tub on top. Some rodent found this to be nice housing beneath which to strip bark. Nevertheless, the Stella is budding out nicely from below.


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Another quick update on zone 6 over-wintering and growing: 

I put multiple very young cultivars into the ground last year here in zone 6b (either just rooted or first year). They all died back to the ground and then they all budded out this spring. A few cultivars have fruited: 2 light, 2 dark: Binello (which may be also Gallo?) and Brooklyn White (from seller nature-park) (which may be an unusually precocious strain of White Marseilles, one guess), a particular Celeste strain and Hardy Chicago (barely). I hope to see some newly in-grounded Mount Etnas fruit after die-back next year. Had very few Mt. Etnas in the ground this past year.
 
Currently, Brooklyn White is promising to be the most fruit-productive as a small tree (plant size, really), whether in ground or in pot, although Improved Celeste gives it a serious run for its money in pot (does not winter over great at this point). I have not tasted Brooklyn White. I have tasted Improved Celeste (last year) which is excellent. Binello and maybe certain Celeste strains, and maybe Gino's too seem to be unusually good young fruiters. At least that's what I have witnessed this past year so far.

Not what I had expected: 2 light figs seem the most fruit-productive after total winter die-back: Brooklyn White (nature-park) and Binello (Gallo?).

[Edit: "Brooklyn White" turned out to be misnamed. It is an unknown Mount Etna type, dark fig, and my earliest to ripen this year. Ripened August 20 in pot, and September 1 in ground after dying back to the ground over winter. Celeste from Petals from the Past (not their Improved Celeste) ripened September 3 in ground after dying back to the ground over winter.]

As for maybe the best dark possibilities, quite a lot of Mount Etna cultivars and plenty of other dark cultivars will get their first tests or better tests this year.

UPDATE AGAIN: within a rainy day of posting this, a full die-back in-ground Improved Celeste has pushed out several distinct figlets. Given that Improved Celeste ripens its figs relatively quickly, I assume these will ripen this year in addition to the few other cultivars mentioned above. 

The young full die-back cultivars that have not pushed fruit this year: Marseilles, Lattarula, Italian Honey, Lemon, Blanche, Texas Everbearing, Kadota, Banana, Mary Lane, Sultane, Magnolia, Brunswick, Conadria, most Celeste, most Hardy Chicago, Salem Dark and Sal's GS/EL though I am hopeful for next year with these latter two. Most of the others I will not give a second chance to winter and will dig them up to grow in pots.

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Another "mountain fig" came through today: Improved Celeste. Picked and eaten this afternoon. I'm learning to follow the ants. When little ants start walking on particular fig fruits looking for a way into the sweetness, the fig is clearly ripe. The ants are easily blown off when the fruit is picked.

The first tiny fruit on this IC appeared about 65 days ago, quite fast to ripening. Strawberry peach sweet.

Some other cultivars that showed early fruit weeks before the IC ever did have yet to ripen.

Thus far, in ground, no protection, die-back to ground, zone 6b, fruit ripening dates:

  1. Mount Etna Unknown: September 1 -- 1 year old bush (planted by cement drive)
  2. Celeste PP: September 3 -- 2 year old bush (planted in open ground)

  3. Improved Celeste: September 13 -- 2 year old bush (planted by house and cement walk)

My experiences this year seem to be basically confirming my research last year about which fig cultivars produce fruit when planted in ground in cold areas.
That is, the Dark fig cultivars are being confirmed right down the line. While the Light fig cultivars, not so much. There is a chance that one or more of the Light figs cultivars listed there will ripen fruit this year, but the most likely Light cultivars to ripen for me in-ground this year after dieback to the ground include two cultivars not listed: Binello (Gallo?) and Banana.

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I've read through this thread multiple times over the past year and really appreciate it.  Thanks for making it, Tony.

Another cultivar to keep an eye on might be Salce.  Out of the 14 cultivars of 1st year plants that I planted outside this spring (after just rooting them as cuttings), Salce is the only one that has produced fruit so far.  The first fruit was picked about a week ago--fantastic, with a peachy flavor imo--and the 2nd fruit is going to be picked today.  For reference, the other cultivars in that test plot are MBVS, HC, Italian Honey, Celeste, O'Rourke, White Marseilles, Blackjack, Grasa's unk/Vern's BT, Panache, Dottato, Dr. Monticello's, LSU Gold, and Osborne Prolific.

They were all planted in fairly poor soil w/o mulch and received occasional irrigation.  None of the other cultivars in that plot have even made figlets yet, but Salce produced and ripened 2 figs.  I have duplicate 1st year Salce, MBVS, HC, Celeste, and Panache plants that I kept in my greenhouses, and they've all fruited.  I'm not sure why the Salce outperformed the other 1st year plants outdoors.

hllyhll

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James, will be interesting to see how Salce springs back next year from the ground. Do you have pictures of the Salce leaves as grown outdoors?

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[QUOTE=hllyhll]James, will be interesting to see how Salce springs back next year from the ground.  Do you have pictures of the Salce leaves as grown outdoors?[/QUOTE]
Here are some pics of a leaf and fruit.  I just ate the 2nd fig off of this plant, and it was wonderful and peach-flavored just like the 1st.) 

[SAM_3084%2BSalce]
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pino

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Very impressive James!  Nice to see Salce growing in ground in Z6a.

Charley

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I want to thank all of you for the continuing updates and evaluations in this great thread.

GreenFin

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[QUOTE=pino]Very impressive James!  Nice to see Salce growing in ground in Z6a.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :)

Like Tony, I'll be anxious to see how vigorously it comes back next spring, and how fast it sets and ripens fruit, after freezing back to the ground.  The plant was initially planted around 1.5-2' deep, so it should definitely be insulated enough to survive the winter (I intend to mulch heavily with compost, too), but I'll be curious to see how well it grows and fruits next year.

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Fantastic thread for everyone in cold zones!  Thanks!

hllyhll

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Thus far, in ground, no protection, die-back to ground, zone 6b, fruit ripening dates:

Mount Etna Unknown:  9/1 -- 1 year old bush (planted by cement drive)

Celeste PP:  9/3 --  2 year old bush (planted in open ground)

Improved Celeste:  9/13 -- 2 year old bush (planted by cement & house)

Hardy Chicago:  9/20 -- 1 year old bush (planted in open ground)

Binello:  9/29 -- 1 year old bush (planted in open ground)

Binello is the first light exterior fig to ripen here after ground dieback. All have dark interiors, with the Celestes being the least dark.

Interesting comparison and additional information below: Herman2 on his fruit ripening after dieback to ground.
He is in a similar growing zone, probably somewhat warmer though further north. His fig bushes are considerably older than mine.

2014 Herman2 ripening from ground dieback:

Ronde De Bordeaux:  9/1

Improved Celeste:  9/1

St Anthony:  9/6

Takoma Violet:  9/10

Adriatic JH:  9/11

Notice that Herman2 has 2 light figs that ripened among his first five, St. Anthony and Adriatic JH, though I assume their interiors are dark (red or purple)?
So, most of the hardiest figs are berry flavored, of a sort? The Celestes being the main exception?
I'll be able to report on the in-ground response of RDB and Adriatic JH next year here, though with very young bushes. Still need to obtain St. Anthony.

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This is a great thread, I love cold hardiness reports. I have often wondered why some plants don't produce a fig crop after dieback to the ground, when they will produce figs on new wood when not killed to the ground, it's all new wood, so what's the difference? Mike in Hanover, VA

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Should have also mentioned that Tim Clymer has noted this year (Earliest In-Ground...post #40), in a similar if slightly warmer growing zone, Improved Celeste and Florea ripened in late August after dieback to ground. And his Marseilles Black ripened 9/5 (I assume after ground dieback).

So to sum this list of 2014 figs that have ripened from ground dieback before October, in ripening order:

  1. Improved Celeste
  2. Florea
  3. Ronde de Bordeaux
  4. Mount Etna Unknown
  5. Celeste PP
  6. Marseilles Black
  7. St. Anthony
  8. Takoma Violet
  9. Adriatic JH
  10. Hardy Chicago
  11. Binello (Gallo?)
No doubt more such cultivars and strains will continue to be added.

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Hi Tony
Don't know if you want to add it to your list;  My in-ground U. Ciccio Nero has been producing nicely since Sep 16.  I think it is a Mt Etna mountain type fig.
Here is the link to a posting I did.
Thanks

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/cold-hardy-u-ciccio-nero-ripening-nicely-7086723?pid=1284469828#post1284469828

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Thanks for the update and consolidation with Tim's results, Tony.

BTW, I went back and replaced the Salce pictures I posted earlier in this thread with some better ones of a leaf and fruit.

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Pino, U. Ciccio Nero sounds like a "Mountain fig" to me, cold tough, early ripening, and should be included on an exhaustive list of such figs that anyone might want to draw up or keep updated at any point.

Currently I'm simply keeping track of fig varieties that have died to the ground and then ripened fruit the same year, in zone 6 approximately (especially though not exclusively if the cultivar received no winter protection beyond some mulch). So for that reason on this list I've excluded Herman2's Malta Black which, though it ripened fruit and quite early, I believe he noted did not quite die all the way back to the ground due apparently to the winter protection he gave it. That said, I assume that Malta Black could be considered a "mountain fig" so to speak, and I suspect that it would have fruited even if it had died back to the ground. 

I'm also limiting my list at least for now to this year, arbitrarily, although the unusual harshness of this past winter, at least in the eastern US, sets a nice benchmark.

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Hi Tony

Thanks for your reply!  This posting is tremendous in identifying new varieties to grow in-ground! 

I have 4 figs varieties in-ground minimally protected that are producing figs this year.  I am very happy with that given last winter and thus my posting on Ciccio Nero, Stella/Dalmatie and Bifara.

I have 1 fig tree that was left unprotected by accident.  A wind storm tore the cover off in early January in the middle of -24C temperatures week.  It is an Italian white and it has bounced back with new shoots and some with figs but they are not ready yet.  Usually it is ready early.  I am waiting to see if those figs ripen.

Looking forward to more updates to this thread!

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Tony, you could add the cultivar Black Cartagena to your cold hardy fig tree list.
I have one in ground, started as a cutting five or six years ago.
I used winter protection, with mulch and a plastic bag.
She started in spring from ground level and now has fruits almost ripen.
I got ripen fruits starting last week 24.09. Fruits are small and sweet.
You can see leaves pattern and a small fruit in picture:

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Malta Black should be added to the list in my opinion. It's a "Mt Etna" type but seems different in that it's earlier and perhaps larger. Mine's in a poor location in the orchard but still ripened fruit pretty early (maybe within a few days to a week of Marseilles Black VS). Like most all of my figs it died to the ground. Location in a yard can have a lot to do with ripening dates if one tree happens to get a bit more shade than another.

I wish someone would do some genetic testing on these Mt Etna types, it seems there are a lot floating around. Three out of four of my collected figs seem to be Mt Etna types and it may not be worth keeping all three if they prove to be essentially the same.

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Tim its funny you said that last line... as I was looking through this thread that's what I was thinking too. MBvs, Sal's EL, Hardy Chicago, Black Bethlehem.... honestly if my plants lost their labels I'd be in trouble figuring out which is which. Leaves are the same... fruit appears the same. My Angelo's Dark (which hasn't fruited yet) also looks similar. Just how big is Mt Etna anyways lol... could there be that many different ones there?? lol

Tyler

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Tim, Malta Black is on my original "Mountain Figs" list (post #1 here). I had mistakenly thought it was a Mount Etna fig, but clearly it's not, very different leaves. It seems better than a Mount Etna fig. My Malta Black went into the ground this spring also in a poor location and also is the only cultivar in that location that has ripened. It's loaded, it's still growing, and yes the figs look bigger than Mount Etna figs. Though it's very anecdotal, the one ripe fig so far was amazing, like a big VDB. I didn't put my Malta Black on the dieback list this year because it did not dieback to ground here but came out of garage. Next year I expect mine to make that list and I expect it to be one of the best "mountain figs" up there with RDB, the best Mt. Etna strains, and so on.

Since you say your Malta Black has ripened after dying back to the ground, I'll add it to the dieback list in a future post at the approximate date that you indicated. If you have other cultivars that ripened after dieback and can supply the approximate dates, I'll add those to the dieback list as well.

I now consider the Mt Etna varieties to be strains of a single cultivar, more or less, rather than separate cultivars. However, I am seeing important differences between the strains and so am continuing to differentiate and keep track of them. Currently, I would grow Takoma Violet and my Mount Etna Unknown before I would grow any other Mt. Etna strain for their various qualities, but these two are followed not too distantly by Gino's Black and Dark Portuguese and so on. I find it very interesting and hopefully useful to note the subtle or more significant differences among the Mt. Etna strains that may or may not be of large significance in the future. 

I'm still holding out hope for Nero 600m / Valle Negra (among others) to be one of the best "mountain figs" too (especially since the leaves are exceptional) and so am surprised not to see much said about it this year, unless I've missed something. Mine won't be ground tested until next year.

But please anyone with fig cultivars that have ripened fruit after dying back to the ground this winter, mention the details in this thread or in another thread on the forum so that hopefully all that information can be gathered into a full dieback list for this fruiting season that has followed the harsh winter of 2013-14. Tim, I know that you have many, many fig bushes grew back from the ground this year. Do you have a list handy of those that have ripened fruit?

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Off-hand my list of died-back-but-fruited:

Sal's EL
Hardy Chicago EL
Enola Italian (local unknown)
Local Unknown (Mt Etna or Malta Black type)
Latarolla (just this past week and just 1 fig)
LSU Improved Celeste (fruited way back in August)
Marseilles Black VS
Gino's
Florea

I don't think there's too much hope for my Nero 600m this year. It's in a good location in my yard but may do better it hadn't died back fully. The one I had in a pot was excellent. It may end up being one of my main cultivar selections at our new farm: nice sized, beautiful tasty figs that ripen late August in a pot (in a cool summer and only its second year of life).

I like your thoughts on the Mt Etna types. I haven't yet figured out my favorite and Malta Black may end up trumping them all if it's earlier, larger, and consistently darker-skinned (important for u-pick or selling fresh).

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Updated list of this year's fig cultivars that have ripened fruit from ground dieback, in zone 6, based on reports from at least three states (Pennsylvania, New Jersey, West Virginia):

 

  1. Improved Celeste

  2. Florea

  3. Ronde de Bordeaux

  4. Mount Etna:

    (Mt Etna Unk, Marseilles Black, Takoma Violet, Gino's Black, Hardy Chicago, Sal's)

  5. Malta Black

  6. Celeste PP

  7. Enola Italian

  8. St. Anthony

  9. Adriatic JH

  10. Binello

  11. Latarolla


I included Malta Black on the list since it all but died back to the ground based on one report, and seems especially likely to be dieback robust based on additional reports.

I listed "Mount Etna" (perhaps we could say "Mongibello") as a single cultivar, followed by the various strains of that cultivar that reportedly ripened fruit. I did so to better show the nature and diversity of this evolving list overall. I don't claim that the various Mount Etna strains are exactly alike or are wholly interchangeable. I do prefer some of the Mount Etna strains to others, at least as young trees, in some cases and in some ways by a wide margin, while appreciating all the strains and wondering if they will become more alike or less alike as they age.

Does no one in zone 6 have a "Southern Brown Turkey" (likely a kind of Celeste) that has ripened fruit after dying back to the ground this winter?

xenil

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Hello guys!
I expanded Tony's list about the Mountain figs, and I added a few extra on the list. My question is the following, are there any new cultivar which is should be add to this list? Does anybody has any new mountain fig?

So the list:

"MOUNTAIN FIGS"

(Cold Hardy Early Ripening Cultivars - CHERC)

DARK

Ali pasha
Black Bethlehem
Celeste Blue
Celeste / Creech
Celeste Dark
Dark Portuguese
Florea
Freckled beauty
Gino's Black
Hanc's English Brown Turkey
Hardy Chicago (Mongibello)
Improved Celeste
Laradek English Brown Turkey
Macool
Makedonian Dark
Malta Black
Marseilles Black
Ronde de Bordeaux
Salem Dark
Sal's GS/EL
Takoma Violet
Mitchurinska 10
Natalina
Negretta
Negronne / Violette de Bordeaux
Nero 600M /Vallecalda
O'rourke


LIGHT

Atreano
Bécane
Dalmatie
Lattarula
LSU Gold
Marseilles White
Orsara/Rosselino
Saint Anthony
Saint Martin
White triana

schaplin

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Hi
Great topic.  I may have a new one.  There is an old fig tree near Ashville, NC that bears large black figs (nearly tennis ball size) from the picture.  The sales rep. brought me a few cuttings and one actually grew.  The sale rep said they were great and she had been house sitting at the house.  No one seems to know the history of this tree but the pictures of the figs look promising. 

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Should Bayernfeige Violetta reputed as being the most cold hardy fig be on this list?

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As to whether Bayernfeige Violetta should be on the list.

It is cold hardy, large, attractive, and exceptionally sweet. But here, it has not been the most cold hardy fig tested. I suggest it now only for growers who can accumulate at least, 800 cooling degree days, calculated with a base of 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

Or grow it in ground roughly no colder then a zone 7.

In the years since we have been testing it against 24 or so other cold hardy figs, it has not ripened its main crop but 40% of the time.

Whats the sense in growing any fig, cold hardy or not, if the fig needs more heat then your area of the country can supply.

But, since it bears so heavily, I think for any one who has a green house it might make a good potted plant, in areas of the country that are colder then zone 7a.

For those who are interested in growing cold hardy figs, I can send to them a list of the figs we found to be cold hardy. Send the request to <robertcharper@gmail.com>.

Use the heading, "Cold Hardy Fig List"

Bob

  

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