Does anyone know if these are the same fig under different names before I buy barnisotte noir cuttings.

I dont know but my guess they are the same

I do not have either one, but have seen them listed as synonyms for each other.

Yeah I see synonyms for them a lot, but I know that some of the synonyms are misguided assumptions. Figured someone might have grown both. I have been told by a French fig grower living in soliès that bourjasotte noire is the same fig as violette de soliès.

Different name different price same fig. Lol

Figpig I will caution you against making guesses. A lot of confusion can be caused by people taking your guesses as truth. Barnisotte and Bourjasotte Noire are different figs. Brogiotto Nero and Barnisotte are the same. Boujasotte Noire and Violette de Sollies are the same. Barnisotte is a dark fig that tends to have green on it when fully ripe. Bourjasotte Noir is completely black when ripe.

Thanks so much johnnyq627! I'm glad I know it's different for sure now, I appreciate your reply. do you know the origin of the brogiotto/barnisotte fig?

So these are the pictures of the barnisotte mother tree the cuttings they're selling come from.

I do see a touch of green in it, or at least i think i do anyway

The pictures are showing very small on my tablet. Without my barnisotte having leaves, I will need to defer to those with more experience than me for an ID.

Okay, not sure how to enlarge. They definitely are more black than bourjasotte and have touches of green.

They're listed on eBay underr: "barnissotte black(baud) fig tree cuttings"

Nick,

There are varieties named Barnisotte, Barnisotte Noir (used in the title of this thread) and Barnisotte Grise.  I did not think these three are synonyms for each other.  Barnisotte is a synonym for one of the varieties known as Nero... and there are potentially many (MANY) different figs known as "Nero".

If you want to be more confused, click here.

Barnissotte Noire from Baud is not the same as Barnisotte UCD.  It is, however, known as a synonym for Bourjasotte Noire... even on Baud's website

Well the barnisotte noire from baud is bourjasotte noire for certain if is comes from solliès like they say. Essentially, I am looking for a true French barnissotte if it is indeed a variety, which seems to be the case. I collect French figs.

And yes I understand that barnisotte grise is a diff erent variety, grise/noire/Blanche/brun/rouge etc are always different In my experience.

Is it possible that barnisotte noire began as bourjasotte noire and changed over centuries of breeding?

What seems suspicious to me is that it is a French variety with no location attached to any of its nicknames. Most of them seem to have their region affiliated: ex violette de solliès, grise de tarascon, noire de caromb, hâtive de Argenteuil, the list goes on.

My head hurts.

Can we at least all pinky swear that from today forward we will only use the names Barnisotte and Violette de Sollies to describe the two different figs? Someone will likely need to remind me as well :)

I'll pinky swear! Now I just need to find a true barnisotte noire . . .

[QUOTE=DevIsgro]I'll pinky swear! Now I just need to find a true barnisotte noire . . .[/QUOTE]

That pinky swear didnt last long haha.

The problem is 'Nero' means black in so many languages.  Many figs were passed around the old countries a lot of generations ago.  If a tree was growing in X town and it was black, it was called "X Nero" , or something to that effect.  The problem we have today is many of the figs are the same (or very similar) but because they come from a different area, we know them by many names.  As Jon always mentions, it is part of the fun of figs.

True, but as a collector of French fig varieties I can't stop until I get to the bottom of it!

Devisgro, do you speak French?  Do you live in France?  You should just go over to Baud's place and confirm what you want.  Easy peasy.

Suzi

I do speak French, read much more fluently. My fiancée is parisienne. we are living stateside however, so I can't go visit. Maybe I will try to email though, thanks.

The source of your fig tree is the key.

Black Brogiotto's (Italian origin) growth habits are not the same as my Violette de Sollies.  As far as these two are concerned, I can say for sure that they are two different fig trees so far.

This leads me to conclude that Baud's general claim ( Barnissotte Noire = Bourjassote Noire = Violette de Sollies = Parisienne ) is not accurate.