I'm not questioning if Aaron delivers cuttings to people,
I do not question his honesty in that respect.
I asked HOW HE BRINGS CUTTINGS INTO CALIFORNIA.
Asked him to show his paperwork and explain to others how he does
this, as there are numerous regulations to do so legally.
If procedures are not being followed, that is plant smuggling,
and the USDA takes a dim view of those activities.
Or is ok to break the law because you received a few cutting from Aaron.

Sorry, you are wrong again,
I filled my van with containers,
and went to the site where the fig festival was held
for the previous 2 years and there was NOBODY THERE.
I did not know the location was changed TWO DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT
until I came onto this site.  Did not know I had to check daily to make sure
an annual event is going to move its location.  It was because the promoter
failed to secure the proper permits for the event.
Posted pictures of my van loaded with containers on this site, go look for them.

So, I guess you're wrong with both of your comments.

If you would like to be a man and apologize for your errors and  FALSE accusations,
that would be nice. 

Show us the paperwork from this "big collection" you just received.
Teach the members how YOU follow procedures for bringing plant material
into California.  They would like to learn how to do so also.
Share your knowledge.

Some hot water and wax cures all the diseases.
I wonder when the plant people at the USDA will realize this,
no need for all these silly regulations,
hot water and wax is all that's needed.
;-)

I heard his next experiment is to use hot water and wax to cure the Ebola virus.

Can you post the phytosanitary certificate you received with this cutting,
also the inspection clearance cert from California, pesticide treatment certificate also please.

These are all required for ANY shipment of plant material into CALIFORNIA.
Does not matter if you are a business or an individual,
this is required for plants or cuttings.

Can you show us how you comply with these regulations and laws
by posting your documentation.

This would be helpful for other members in California,
so they know how to obtain cuttings from out of state as well.
Share your knowledge with us.

You are following the laws, right ?

How are you bringing  in plant material to California ?

Are you following the proper entry procedures to the state
for plant material.

Can you post the paperwork showing these cutting received
the necessary fumigation to enter the state.

Even watering/moisture is important to prevent cracking.

Also crush up some egg shells early in the season and put around the base of the plant.

Maybe a member who has lab experience knows what
this apparatus is called.

The same if someone said;
that's like trying to sell ice to the eskimos

Sending Hardy Chicago cuttings to CHICAGO

Humor, irony, etc.

To answer your shipping question,
I would suggest you ask our resident expert, Aaron4usa.

Second, the labels are different

Third,
Aarons figs are distributed and packed by WESTERN FRESH MARKETING

twovkay figs are distributed and packed by STELLA DISTRIBUTING INC

Quiet obvious to an individual with reading skills and comprehension of a 5 year old
these are TWO DIFFERENT PACKAGES AND COMPANIES.
Just wanted to clarify this misinformation for fellow forum members.

Aaron, I ask nicely for you take this example into consideration.
If you are unable to see simple differences with the printed English language,
and you misinterpret them to be the same, and declare them to be so,
with authority no less.
Then maybe give some consideration to how you interpret other disciplines,
such as horticulture, where the information is not printed in black and white,
and far more difficult to decipher.

Yet you freely  "identify" and name  figs with these same keen observational skills.

Nice work.
Will double as your "dog house" when the wife gets mad, lol.

Would consider something for drainage along the front of
your greenhouse, going to get soggy there after a rain,
and eventually work its way under your structure.
Coat all interior wood with some water sealant or stain.
Might want to consider a small oscillation fan along with your intake fan.

Very nice work !

Aaron will probably create a new name for your wood this time around.

Yes, amazing that fresh fruit can be delivered
from 240 miles away by refrigerated truck and not spoil.
Truly amazing they did not spoil on that hellish 4 hour journey.

Unfortunately the people in the rest of the world,
lack access to trucks, roads and figs.

Only in America,
and always the best in LA


:-)

They don't really earn money with their operation.

Combination of tax incentives and government subsidies
are what actually create the profit for the corporations.
Without these types of government support, what you see is not economically viable
with current energy rates and produce prices.

Tilapia is a FRESH WATER fish.
You DO NOT want to use fresh water fish for sushi or ceviche,
you will get parasites and tape worms that way.

Fresh water fish are rarely used in sushi,
and when consumed, as in the case of Salmon,
the meat is frozen for a period of at least 7 days.

Marinating in lime or citrus  does NOT kill the parasites either.

Maybe one of the hundreds of garden supply stores or nurseries in your area.

More than HD out there.

A bag of lime would be far more convenient for you
than a bag of cement.

Two in a 30 gal,
with proper training/pruning 
is no problem.

Just have to feed them more often than inground trees.

The pine tree, which was dedicated with a plaque to Harrison at the head of a hiking trail in the city's Griffith Park, was among a number of trees that have succumbed to the beetles this year, City Councilman Tom LaBonge said.

"It was weakened by the drought, bark beetles just attacked it. It had a quick demise," LaBonge said. "I happen to hike every day in Griffith Park and the tree just turned a bad corner this year."

The sapling had grown to 12 feet in height by the time it was discovered dead in June and removed by city workers, he said, adding that Harrison's widow, Olivia, had been notified.

LaBonge said he expected to see a new tree planted in remembrance of Harrison in the fall.

Harrison, who was born in Liverpool in 1943, gained international fame as the Beatles lead guitarist, penning such songs as "Here Comes the Sun," "Something" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."


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I heard many fig theft stories from Chris DiPoala of Belleclare Nursery.
Common event according to Chris, 
happened at his nursery and his customers homes.
I remember one story where he told me someone stole 6 fig trees
from one of his customers in a single night, 
trees were in 25 gallon containers.

Also related stories about customers coming to the nursery and
taking their own cuttings from his trees while he was not looking.

He defended against this by either not labeling certain trees,
or labeling a highly desirable variety a different name.

I've seen people many times walking on to private farm land
to harvest what they want from the fields,
seen people in orchards with pruners taking cuttings,
numerous times.
Stealing a potted tree  fits right along with this behavior.

That is correct,
no diseases on the plant you are going to receive from the TC lab potentially.

Does not prevent the tree from acquiring diseases once in your possession.

Whatever material you choose for the roof,
remember the snow load, make sure the material can handle it.

White is great for overwintering use.
White lowers transmission of light
and thus heat buildup during those warm and bright winter days,
helps prevent the trees from budding out too soon.

White generally has a transmission value of 50% or less,
clear green house films are in the 85%+ range.

Rule of thumb,
reduce light transmission by 1%
it reduces plant growth by 1%

So you can reduce heat by limiting the light and plant growth with white plastic,
or  use clear plastic and ventilation to deal with the heat.

I think in China you might find the largest single covered fig orchard,
land is plentiful there in agricultural areas,
but Japan will probably have more total acres under cover than China,
just in smaller sized orchards, land is tight and large tracts of land are rare.
Almost all fruits and veggies grown in Japan are done under row covers,
hoop houses, or individual fruits/veggie being protected on the plant.
If its not perfect in appearance it sells for price that does not cover expenses.

There are very few situations where the expense of growing figs
covered is warranted by the market.  They are not very productive
on a sq ft basis  compared to many other crops grown covered.
Same could be said for most tree fruits.
It works with some berry crops to bring them in early or late to
garner the higher prices to offset the expenses.

I grow some figs in hoop houses in NJ,
I'm using already established houses that currently have no other use.
It helps with winter protection and bird protection when I use the netting.
I get the plastic for free, the netting is used fishing nets I get for free,
and the hoop houses have no cost as they are already installed.
If I had to pay for half of those supplies, it wouldn't be worth it,
even with selling the figs for extremely high prices to high end restaurants.
Labor is also a big factor with fig production for fresh market.

First clue, whenever you see a harvest expressed in grams,
its most likely a government inspired or sponsored project that failed.

16,000 grams = 571 ounces

571 ounces = 35 pounds

35 pounds of figs are worth   $50 to at most $300

The wear and tear on the plastic for the high tunnel
was more money than the value of the harvest.

Even without capitol costs included,
just water, fertilizer, plastic, labor
probably puts their productions costs around $35-40 per pound.

Can I ask a favor,
I'm really curious.
What do you do for a living/job/profession ?

Still batting 100% sparky,
hard core  CAPITALIST.

How you can infer I'm a communist is amusing,
got no clue how you came up with that,
the magic of your mind I guess.

If you want to insult me,   maybe call me a racist,
would make about as much sense as communist,
but is more politically and emotionally charged word today.
Communist would have been a good slur in the 1960/70's

In the new millennium, 
calling me a racist is far more effective.

One more question  :-)

Which is bigger ?

A.  High tunnel 30 x 96'  with 60 trees producing fruit planted in the ground.

B.  High tunnel  30 x 96'   with 5,000 trees in containers.

A tissue culture laboratory would have the biggest number of trees actually indoors.

All the production farms are in California.
Don't know the largest officially,
do know of one fig orchard that is around 100 acres.
Average size orchard is about 30 acres.
Largest in the world is probably in Turkey.

Indoor-  I think this is the wrong terminology on several fronts,
and thus would produce an incorrect answer.
Indoor would imply year round climate protection/control.

High tunnel is really a season extender, and not indoors  IMO,
as during the summer months, a high tunnel anywhere in the country,
would get too hot and roast the trees.   These tunnels, green houses, etc
are opened and even ventilated as well during this time period.
That would be more like growing under a covered car port with a clear roof,
not really  "indoors"  IMO.

Besides high tunnels, I have figs planted in the ground in 16' x 100' hoop houses.
They are covered with  white plastic for the winter, which is removed in the spring,
then the hoop house is covered in bird netting.
Would this be indoors ?

How would that be different that having a green house filled with figs,
and having the glass roof open all summer to vent the heat ?
We would automatically consider a greenhouse fig tree to be indoors,
but its treated no differently with respect to cover and protection,
then my hoop house situation,  which many would say, including myself  is  not indoors.