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Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiFig
What happened to all those young tender plants put into the ground in October?  No pics of those.

I planted my orchard long before October, and the only trees I put in-ground around that time frame were planted indoors in heated greenhouses. 

None of the potted or in-ground trees in any of my greenhouses are dead, they're all fine.  The only issue I've had is that small pockets of them went dormant at all sorts of various different times.  That creates a problem because I need all cuttings ready at the same time for shipping purposes.  So when something like that would happen, I would prune the dormant section and immediately root and grow those cuttings in order to continue growing and to maximize wood and plant production for shipping time in February/March.  For example, some of the cuttings I rooted in late October are already over a foot tall.  Not all of my trees are dormant yet. 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiFig
Back on September 10 he answered mfehmi's question of "If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late ... I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017?" with "It all depends on whether I line up land over the next couple of weeks for more winter greenhouses.  If I do, then the timeline is doable; if I don't, I'll need to change it."  

So two months later by November 7, when he answered macmike, he presumably knew he didn't get any new land and would have to use the existing greenhouses and hoophouses for the 2016 project.  So why was he still saying "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017"?   Especially given this https://web.archive.org/web/20160909183449/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html from Sept 9 vs this snapshot https://web.archive.org/web/20161229172259/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html taken December 29.
 
The underlined portion is incorrect.  I had 4 existing greenhouses, and when I didn't get new land, I built 9 additional new greenhouses on my property in order to handle production.  Therefore, the reason I was saying that "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017" was because I was building those 9 new greenhouses that I needed to make that deadline.  Failing to get new land didn't prevent me from building the necessary greenhouses, it just caused me to build all of the greenhouses on my own current property.

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Originally Posted by ThaiFig
Also there was no mention of this change of delivery date in his latest update, maybe he just forgot?  Didn't hear anyone else mention it on the forum either, perhaps because no one noticed?

The new order pages for Fall 2017 delivery are for new orders placed now and are for delivery at the end of next season.  They are for next season's plants/cuttings, not for past orders. 

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Originally Posted by ThaiFig
You can go on his website and order 100 trees of each of the most troublesome varieties he's listed, and he'll gladly take your money.  No inventory limits.  No guarantees you'll ever get your plants, either.  Like I said in my first post here, if you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to quit digging.  James seems quite happy to keep digging away.

The order pages that are currently up are for next season, as noted above.  I am no longer accepting orders for the current season.  If someone really wants to order 100 Black Madeiras for Fall 2017, I've got enough starting material and infrastructure to handle it, but they'll have a long wait since that's almost a full year away. 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
*UPDATE*

Lately I've been rigging up lighting to help the fig trees grow faster and better over the winter months.  The tunnel greenhouse below has 28 shop light fixtures, each of which is 4ft long and holds two T8 bulbs.  The bulbs are 32W, so their combined power usage in this tunnel is just under 1,800 Watts.

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Most of the bulbs are 6500K, some are 5000K, and two fixtures have purple "Gro-Lux" bulbs.
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The big tubs that I use as humidity bins, like the one with black handles below, hold around 40 figs each.  I currently have around 50 of these tubs filled with around 2,000 total cuttings in various stages of rooting.
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After the cuttings in the humidity bins start to show roots, I move them into shorter tubs that only hold 24 cups; that way the baby fig trees can get a bit more space and light, and the humidity bin can be refilled with the next batch of cuttings.
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Now I need to upgrade my breaker box so that I can set up grow lights in my Banana House/Pool House (the one with all the floating figs) and add more heat to some tunnels.  Last year I upgraded the greenhouse/shed/orchard area from 20 Amps to 100 Amps, and tomorrow I've got an electrician coming out to upgrade it to 200 Amps. 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Current tallies (approximate):

1,200 fig trees in 3gal pots
1,000 young fig trees in small containers
1,000 cuttings that are currently rooting in humidity bins
2,000 fresh cuttings in bags that are ready to start rooting
2,000 soon-to-be-cuttings about to be pruned from trees

...and 8 new tunnel greenhouses (so far) to hold everything:

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Subject: THANKS Drivewayfarmer Replies: 17
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 488
 
Drivewayfarmer is awesome!  He's a great source for good cuttings. 

Subject: Has anybody bought from figcuttings. Com? Replies: 26
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 846
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by macmike
I ordered some cuttings last year never received them. Ordered some cuttings this year and a tree and have heard anything yet. Hope to hear soon. I try to have the patience of Job as I know everyone is busy.

Hi Mike,

I just searched my PayPal database and see that I've received two orders with your name, one placed in February 2016 for two $7 trees and another in October for two 2017 trees.  I don't have any orders from you for my 2015 cuttings sales or my upcoming winter cuttings sale, just those orders for trees.  Were you thinking of the $7 trees as cuttings?  I'm certain that I shipped cuttings to everyone who ordered cuttings from those 2015 cuttings sales.

Your order for $7 trees should ship within the month, and your order for 2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017.  I'm sorry for the long delay on your $7 tree order, thank you for being so patient.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Here are some of the figs that are currently floating in wading pools:

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Here are some rooted cuttings that are growing in a greenhouse area that is being converted to shelving.  The shelves will hold propagation troughs that should be able to hold around 2,000 trees.  The lumber has been painted, now it's time to build.

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Here are some of the air-layers I've done recently.  Many of their leaves got crispy and fell off, but the trees are recovering nicely.  When I do air-layers in the future, I'll trim more of the leaves ahead of time and provide better shading to make the transition easier for the trees.

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Here are some pictures showing the progress in the fig orchard.  The frames are all finished now, so we'll start covering them with greenhouse plastic this week.

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Here's a pic of some figs from today.  The Hardy Chicago figs were good, and the Black Madeira was great.  I ate a few Improved Celeste today, too, but they don't get very sweet in our cool weather at this time of year.  I did have a good Florea, though.

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And this is Figlet, our new kitten.

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I was working in the fig orchard about 2-3 weeks ago when I heard a baby animal crying, and saw it stranded out in the intersection of the nearby highway. A passerby stopped his car and ran out to pick up the kitten, which was trying to drag itself with its front legs, unable to move its hips or hind legs. I went around our fence and met the guy at the side of the road. He said he couldn't take it home, and I said I would. So my family took her in and nursed her back to health, and now after just a few weeks she is healthy, happy, and active, with full use of all of her legs and no lingering ill effects :) :)  She loves to follow us everywhere we walk now, almost like a dog.  She's an awesome little cat!

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Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I've received a lot of pm's and emails lately, and have fallen behind on responding to them all because I've been putting so much time into the hands-on work of growing, rooting, air-layering, watering, building, etc.  If I were to take the time to respond to all the pm's and emails, none of these tunnels would be going up and a lot of other important work wouldn't get done, either.  I don't have enough time to do both the hands-on work and the emailing/pm'ing, especially since I'm racing against impending cold weather, so I had to make the decision to focus on the hands-on work rather than emails/pm's.  I will respond to all of them, but the hands-on work has to take precedence right now, so please don't feel stressed or ignored if it takes me up to a week or more to get back to you during this time.   

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Here are some pics from yesterday:

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Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sas
James, in those pictures, what do you use or recommend for ground cover?

Hi Sas, I start by laying down landscape fabric (the top-of-the-line fabric at Menards that is supposed to be best in terms of both blocking weeds and allowing nutrients/air to pass through), and then I cover the fabric with about 5 inches of wood mulch, since I want there to be around 3 inches of mulch after it settles.

Here's a link to the product: https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/landscaping-materials/weed-blocker/yardworks-trade-duraweb-4-x-100-25-year-premium-landscape-fabric/p-1444427377218.htm

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
*UPDATE*

I'm currently in the process of building 9 new tunnel greenhouses to cover the newer portion of my fig orchard that I added this year.  The new tunnels are needed to extend the growing season and produce enough cuttings and air-layers to fill the 2017 fig orders.

The new tunnels will combine to reach almost 1,000 feet in total length and will be covered by over 1/3 of a mile of greenhouse plastic (double layered for insulation), which will be removed for seasonal storage in the spring.  The pics below show the 5' long 3/4" EMT metal conduit that we hammered into the ground to serve as footers for 20' long 1.5" diameter schedule 40 PVC pipes that will form the ribs of the tunnel.  The PVC pipes are due to arrive tomorrow, and should go up fast.  I set up one pipe as a rib in the first pic to show you what they'll look like  :)

Not all of the orchard has been planted yet, and a few of the empty planting locations that we had marked earlier will need to be moved slightly to get them inside the tunnels, as you can see in the first picture.  (The original line of planting locations had quite a bend in it, and when I made the tunnel line somewhat straight, it resulted in some of the old empty planting locations ending up outside of the tunnel line.)

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During this time we've also been pruning and potting up some nice air-layers that were set around 3-4 weeks ago.  Here are some pics of a few:

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I've also been rooting lots of cuttings in humidity bins, and they're starting to push out nice roots:

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Overall, fig propagation is proceeding pretty well right now.  Cuttings are rooting well, air-layers are setting well, and the new tunnels are on pace to be done perhaps a couple of weeks before first frost.  We should then be able to continue growing trees at a good rate as it gets cold, and will have ample space for holding as many additional trees over the winter as we need. 

As the trees for your individual orders become ready, I'll email you to let you know and to give you the choice of having your trees shipped at that time (late fall or winter, depending on the order) or waiting until the weather becomes warmer/safer in the early spring.  As of right now it looks like I'll be able to finish the trees for about 1/3 of the 2016 orders by sometime in November and will have the rest ready by early spring.  I'm also cautiously optimistic that we'll be on-time for the 2017 orders thanks to all the extra greenhouse space.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
The first roots appeared a few days ago on some of the cuttings that I'm rooting in humidity bins, and today I saw the first roots poking out of one of the air-layers.  I've got many stacks of tubs about 5 deep with about 40 cups per tub, and I've got a ton of air-layers set.  I've still got a lot more cuttings to do, so today I started clearing out the space to stack a few dozen more tubs in one of my greenhouses. 

My neighbor decided not to sell his land, and a couple of other nearby possibilities didn't work out either (one had already sold, the other wasn't interested in selling yet).  I have an option that is about 25 minutes away, has water and power, and already has an electric fence around it to help keep out the wildlife.  I could probably put up 3 large greenhouses inside the electric fencing, and many more outside it, but I'm hesitant about investing so much into a property that is so far away.  So the plan I'm leaning toward now is to stay here on the homestead this winter and do this:

- build 7-9 new hoophouses, each approximately 60'L x 14'W x 7'H, that will cover my fig orchard and extend the growing season into late December or January;
- cover both of my 50'L shadehouses in plastic to convert them to greenhouses for the cold season;
- remove almost all bananas from greenhouses to create more space for figs;
- use heaters in some greenhouses to keep the troublesome figs growing all winter (easiest to do in my pit greenhouses and aquaponics tunnel);
- hang lots of growlights above the troublesome figs in the heated greenhouses to maximize their growth.

By doing all that, I should definitely finish all the 2016 $7 trees this winter and have plenty of wood for the cuttings sale that is due to ship out in February.   I would also have a reasonable chance of getting the Spring 2017 trees shipped out on time in the early spring, though that would admittedly require everything going pretty well.  At this point, Bass' Favorite is the one I'm most likely to be late on, since it's in pretty high demand and I only have 2 of them, but most of the other popular ones are pretty well covered (for example I have 8 Ponte Tresas and 7 Galicia Negras, and will be planting most of them in-ground inside my greenhouses to get max growth, hopefully getting 50-100 cuttings/airlayers per plant by mid-February like I've gotten from others under similar conditions). 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I've been cupping up cuttings into humidity bins and doing air-layers.  Here are some pics of the air-layers that were set today:

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Subject: Shout Out to Harvey/James & Friends Replies: 69
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,087
 
That looks awesome!  What a perfect backyard :)

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rayrose
James,
Is it possible for you to list all of the troublesome varieties?

I'll start a list here off the top of my head, and I'll come back and add to the list over time as I see what I missed.

The top group is the 'high demand' group, most of which has been troublesome.  The bottom group had low-to-medium demand and isn't necessarily troublesome, but I have a low supply for various reasons.

Black Madeira
Figo Preto
I-258
Abebereira - almost all cuttings leafed but didn't root
Maltese Beauty
Maltese Falcon -- growing fine now, but lost a lot of cuttings early on
Bourjasotte Grise -- my big mother died early in the spring, and many cuttings failed :(
Lebanese Red (Bass)
Native de Argentile - somewhat like Abebereira for me

CdD Blanc, Gris, and Noir - tons were ordered, but I've got a lot going (haven't been too troublesome), so they're behind but not way behind

LdA - most would leaf and start to root, but never get vigorous, and eventually die
Niagara Black and Nordland - same problem as LdA
Hunt -- weird, I know; I lost a whole gallon baggie of cuttings, don't know why
Negronne - have 3 plants, but they're growing soooo slowww
Peter's Honey - befuddled as to why most of my cuttings died
Sal's Gene - accidentally killed my big mother tree
St. Rita - only have a couple of these, didn't get enough initially
Verdal Longue - had trouble with moldy cuttings
White Triana - only have one, though demand is low

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by brianm
So basically, any of the harder to root varieties will now be shipped next year?

It unfortunately looks likely.  They're growing slow enough that I don't think we should count on those varieties being ready until winter, so they probably shouldn't ship until it thaws out next year.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfehmi
James, I have two questions:

1. I ordered 10 trees for 2016, 4 of them maybe fall in the category of troublesome and 6 of them maybe don't fall in the category of non troublesome (Those 6 are not the types that you mention). If the problem are the troublesome species, why not ship to people who want the non-troublesome fig trees first? 

2. If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late ... I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017? 

1)  That's a good and reasonable idea, and it was what I had been intending to do.  But I ran into issues (explained in post #520 above) that caused me to pot up all of the potentially shippable mothers and put them outside under shade cloth, which took that option off the table.

2) It all depends on whether I line up land over the next couple of weeks for more winter greenhouses.  If I do, then the timeline is doable; if I don't, I'll need to change it.  I'm giving myself a couple of weeks, and will edit and update my website at that time if necessary.  I discussed one piece of property with a neighbor earlier this week, and discussed another with a business about a mile away; there's also a 3rd property I'm considering that is owned by a friend and already has water, power, and an electric deer fence around it, but it's about 25 minutes from my house.  I'll investigate some other properties in the coming days, too, and hopefully get something lined up and finalized in a couple of weeks.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by dkirtexas
All parties involved have entered into a contract with a deliverable, the instant a deliverable is violated,  the contract is breached.  The lack of remedy is disturbing.  

Hope, promises, and understanding, is not a remedy.

It will take time for the best remedy (getting everyone their trees), but I also have a lesser remedy available, which is a standing policy to refund any order at any time for any reason.  I know that isn't an ideal remedy for folks, especially since they've already invested so much time, but I want to make sure everyone knows that it's available (just email or pm me if you want one).

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I just read back through the last 2-3 pages, and I feel sick about having caused all this stress and frustration.  It's awful seeing folks venting at each other and knowing it's my fault.  Let's turn the page and get back to talking figs. 

There were a number of posts with questions that I hadn't seen and addressed yet, I'll try to work through them now in some ensuing posts.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by mfehmi
I want to give James the benefit of the doubt, but it's kind of hard for me. As you can see, I asked James on August 5 if the end of August was still the date that the trees will start to ship and as you can see he replied to my question saying that yes...


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Originally Posted by GreenFin
Yes, I do think I'll be able to start shipping out orders at the end of the month.  Most of the trees should be ready by then, and the slower ones can finish growing while I'm busy packaging and shipping out the ready ones.  It's going to take a while to package and ship them all out (200 hours?), so it may be a few weeks beyond the end of the month before you get your trees.  I'll email each person before shipping to verify their address and to make sure that it's a good time to ship :)

Everything I said to you was true, mfehmi:

- I was planning to start shipping orders out by the end of the month (which did in fact happen);

- Most of the trees (or maybe half) were in fact ready by the end of the month, and were already growing in their shipping containers: mostly the non-troublesome ones; 

- I was sincerely and justifiably thinking I'd be able to ship your order approximately a few weeks beyond the end of August.

In early August I knew that the troublesome ones were lagging what seemed to be a few weeks behind the others, and that I'd have many but not all of the non-troublesome ones by the end of the month.  So my plan was to ship out orders that contained only non-troublesome varieties, and to do so by supplying those orders with recently pruned mothers (which were growing in shipping containers), that way I could be shipping out those orders while rooting the rest of the non-troublesome cuttings from those mothers, and while waiting for the troublesome mothers to reach a point where I could prune and do the same thing with them.  I figured that I'd be able to prune all the troublesome mothers around mid-September, keep most of those mothers and all of the cuttings to continue propagating, and start shipping out the earliest orders that contained the troublesome varieties.  When I took the time to look up when you ordered and where you were in line, I saw that you ordered pretty early, and that you would probably be one of those folks to receive the first of the troublesome varieties (in the form of recently pruned mothers).  So at that point in early August when I wrote you, I did sincerely believe I'd be able to ship your order a few weeks after the end of August, and I felt I had good grounds for believing that estimate. 

I didn't realize the growth/mortality was so poor on the troublesome ones until much later in August because I had allowed a lot them (unsorted, with names I couldn't see) to keep growing undisturbed rather than prune/root/grow them.  There were two reasons for letting 'the seas of figs' keep on growing undisturbed.  First, they had a high proportion of green wood in late June, and the experimenting I had been doing with rooting soft green cuttings had produced poor results, so I thought it would be better to keep growing those mothers until they were better lignified.  Second, since I was lacking horizontal growing space, I thought I'd get the most total wood by letting them grow upward and not disturbing them.  It seemed to be working somewhat okay (a much higher percentage of their wood became lignified as they grew taller), but when I pulled them all out and did a thorough check later in August I found really bad news: many cups with dead Black Madeiras, Pretos, etc that looked to have died long ago and been hidden in the forest.  I had realized earlier that some cups had dead plants, but there were more than I thought, and they almost all turned out to be the high-demand varieties.  I also found that many of the smaller/runtier members of the unsorted trees turned out to be high-demand varieties.    

So in late August I was hit with that info, which shell-shocked me, and while I mulled over what to do I started working on the non-troublesome orders like I had planned.  By the time I was done with maybe the 2nd one it was already clear that I was being very wasteful: the mothers were going into the shipping boxes, and I was pruning them back to fit, but the wood that was left over outside the box had such a high proportion of soft green wood that I had to suddenly revise sharply downward how many viable cuttings I was going to get if I were to prune them at that time (I had done some experimenting with soft green cuttings, with very poor results), which would have left me too far short.  You can see what I mean in the pic below of an order I was boxing up in mid/late August:

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So at that point I knew I needed to keep from wasting all that soft green wood, and I also had another major problem of needing to get all those cupped mothers out of the way immediately so that I could give their greenhouse space to new rootings (I can put ~150 cupped up new rooters in each floating wading pool, with 4 wading pools per swimming pool, and 6 wading pools in my garden pond when covered).  The best idea I could come up with was to up-pot everything into 3gal and 5 gal containers and move them outside so that 1) they'd be out of the way of upcoming rooters, and 2) they'd hopefully lignify better/faster under shade cloth than under plastic.  The tradeoff was that it has rendered me unable to send partial orders (i.e. the non-troublesome portions) or to ship out many of the non-troublesome orders, since almost all of the non-troublesome mothers were up-potted into big containers (the only exceptions being a few I had already sorted out for such orders, and a few varieties that I had lots of extras of and didn't bother to up-pot them all).   

There is nothing insincere going on, there's just a whole bunch of real-world obstacles and challenges that are slowing things down.  I've been wrong about some time estimates, but I've always been sincere and tried to estimate accurately.  It's like looking at a field you've never crossed and thinking you could run across it in 30 seconds, and then you get out there and you realize it's a bog in the middle and you're sinking to your shins.  At that point you realize 30 seconds was a naive estimate, but you also know you're darn well going to get to the other side eventually if you just keep pumping your legs and don't quit.  That's me right now.  I'm about 3/4 of the way through the bog and just sank in to my knees, but I'm still sloshing along toward the other side, and the muck should be getting shallower soon.  (One good sign: after a long wait due to not being in stock, my 2nd big shadehouse finally arrived today!!)   

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by adipose
James,

Pictures look great.  I know you are busy, but maybe you could take some time to post a bit more details about the status?

1. How many trees were ordered for 2016, and how many do you estimate will ship in September, November, etc.?
2. How many individual trees do you have growing in their own containers (for these orders)?
3. Same questions for i-258, galicia negra, black madeira.
4. Are early 2017 orders still on schedule, in your mind?


Well over a thousand trees were ordered, I think the total's around 1,400.  About 1/3 to 1/2 of them were the troublesome varieties.

I'm just finishing up-potting around 1,200 figs into 3gal and 5gal containers, so none of them are in their own shipping containers right now.  Over the next couple of weeks as I prune, the cuttings will go into rooting cups that I can ship them in which will look like this:

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So a couple of weeks from now close to 100% of the 'non-troublesome' varieties should be growing in their shipping containers, and they would be ready to ship about 6-8 weeks after that.  The troublesome ones might take two more prune/root/grow cycles before I'd have enough for 100% to be in their final containers, which would mean they wouldn't be ready until sometime in January.  Due to freezing temps, that would probably be a rough time to try and ship young plants, so I'd probably have to hold them a while and ship them out as each individual person's weather becomes warm enough in the late winter/early spring.

If my neighbor agrees to sell me some of his land as we discussed (or if I can line up an alternate property in the next few weeks), then I think I have a good shot at being on time for 2017.  If not, then the 2017 orders would probably be delayed because I'd be using all of my current greenhouse space to hold the 2016 orders.  I say "probably" because I could set up a couple more greenhouses on our property and expand a third one, which *might* give me the capacity to meet the deadline even without any extra land.  My first choice is to get some extra land, though, and I'll be talking to a number of other folks in the area to inquire about other nearby possibilities.  I should have a much clearer idea in a few weeks.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Sorry about the lack of updates, here's a link to an update I just posted: http://www.figcuttings.com/2016/09/fig-propagation-project-update.html

I'll re-post it here later after I adjust the formatting so that it will look right.

Again I'm very sorry about the lack of good communication, I know it's important.  I'll get back to doing weekly updates from now on.

I promise that all of you will get your trees, and I will do whatever I can to make it up to you for them being late.

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Fig Propagation Project update

Covered figs--

Here are a bunch of potted figs that were up-potted and moved into this shadehouse a day or two before this pic (which is why they're pouting a little bit).  There are around 600 trees in this pic, and there are about 600 more that are this same size/age that aren't pictured.  

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I still have plants from multiple generations floating in wading pools inside swimming pools in one tunnel, here's what they look like (note that I've lowered the water level to give them more headroom).

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In-ground under plastic:

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Aquaponics trees (growing in gravel) and more potted trees:

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Outdoor figs--

The 2nd and 3rd year figs that I have outside in-ground have been flourishing.  Many are over 7' tall and loaded with fruit.  All of this wood will be pruned at dormancy and used to supply cuttings and rooted fig trees.
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Here's a pic showing part of the outdoor orchard expansion.  I've got around 150 varieties planted in-ground so far. 
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Notes

I am behind pace, but the project is still progressing and looks like it will be a success.  There have been a number of obstacles that sprang up and had to be solved along the way, and those slowed me down, but they didn't derail the project, they just slowed it down.  So even though I'm behind pace, the amount of fig wood is starting to accumulate very fast at this stage, and soon I'll have enough to prune/root/ship to everyone.

There are around a dozen varieties that have grown slowly and are primarily responsible for the delay (Black Madeira, Figo Preto, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Native de Argentile, Abebereira, etc).  There's a 'double whammy' effect, too: not only are these the slowest rooters/growers, they were the most requested, too, so they affect the vast majority of orders.  The most salient example is Black Madeira.  I have around 20 Black Madeira mother plants that range from 1-4 feet tall, and I need to produce around 150 small well-rooted Black Madeiras to ship.  If I get an average of 7 cuttings per mother plant and root them all, I would have about the right amount.  But whereas my success rate rooting the vast majority of varieties is around 90%, Black Madeira is more like 50%.  That means that I might just get around 70 new Black Madeira plants to survive the rooting process out of the 140 cuttings.  But while the slower propagation rate is disappointing, it certainly isn't the end of the world!  The total number of Black Madeiras is still growing exponentially, and down the road a little bit when I prune those 90 Black Madeiras (the 20 existing mothers plus the 70 new ones) and get perhaps 500-600 cuttings, that poor propagation rate should still yield 200-300 new Black Madeira trees.  So there should be more than enough Black Madeiras to go around soon, it'll just take another rooting cycle.  Even in a worst case scenario in which it requires 2 more rooting cycles, I would still be able to finish them this winter and get them shipped out as soon as weather permits, since I'll be growing in heated greenhouses all fall and winter.

I openly admit that I have failed to uphold my end of the deal by failing to have the trees ready on time, and I fully recognize that I therefore owe you all something extra, not just as fair compensation for your long wait, but as an apology, too.  I am open to all ideas and would appreciate input.  What I want to have happen is for everyone to get enough 'extras' that they feel like they still got a good deal overall in spite of the long wait.  I was thinking that free cuttings might be good, maybe giving everybody vouchers or coupons for some number of free cuttings down the road.  Giving partial refunds is another idea, although with $7 trees I'm already selling them at cost with no profit.  Another idea is to do special favors, like allowing people to make substitutions on their orders (for example if folks have acquired some of their ordered varieties from other sources during this wait and no longer need them).  That last idea seems like a potential logistical and bookkeeping nightmare, but I'll throw it out there and see what you all think.  A slightly less terrifying idea would be to allow everyone who participated in this $7 tree project to participate in a similar project next year, just for them (maybe $7 trees again?  or maybe drop it to $5 trees as a special apology?).

I want to stress that I have been working extremely hard on this project and that it is the focus of my entire life right now.  I get up and start working around dawn every single day, and I work all day until I run out of daylight or energy.  Often times I strap a headlight on and keep working after dark.  Since I am this committed, I feel very confident telling you that the project will indeed be completed successfully, and that it is only a matter of when, not if.

I also want to stress that I'm not selling any of your fig stock to anyone else.  Every fig you see in these pics is being grown for you: none of them are for sale to other people, and when people come by and want to buy them, I tell them "Sorry, no; those are all spoken for and are being grown for other people."  I have given away a handful of extra Hardy Chicago plants, but aside from that, these plants are all off-limits for other people because they're all being grown for you.

Over the next couple of weeks I'll be doing a lot of pruning and will be packing my humidity bins with thousands of rooting cuttings.  Most orders will be ready when that generation of rooted cuttings is ready.  In the meantime I will continue shipping out a slow stream of orders that do not contain any of the troublesome rooters/slow growers.  Please note, however, that I up-potted most of the fast-growers and will be trying to prune/root them in sync with the troublesome ones so that they'll all be ready around the same time and can ship together.

Exciting update:  As some of you know, my plan when I started this project was to expand into an empty 10 acre field adjacent to my house.  I had already discussed leasing it with the realtor for an affordable $400/mo, but when I called about it recently I learned that the land had just sold, and that the new owners want $455,000 for it as a commercial property and aren't interested in leasing.  That's more than I can afford, and it threw a wrench into my plans, but a couple of days ago I had a positive meeting with a neighbor about buying a different piece of adjacent land, and submitted a bid that the neighbor seemed pleased with.  He said he needed to take some time to think it over and discuss it with his family, so nothing's finalized, but I'm hopeful.  If I get this land, I'll have the space to put up another 6-10 large greenhouses, which will give me more than enough space for current needs and for future expansion.

Subject: Cuttings listings are up, ~230 varieties Replies: 24
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,068
 
It's both: I'm still taking orders for plants for March, and I'm also taking orders for cuttings for February.

The main reason that I posted the cuttings page now was that several people had recently emailed me and asked if they could have cuttings instead of trees for 2017.  I put the page together for them so that they could order, and decided to just leave it posted for everybody to use in case anybody else wanted to reserve their cuttings early.

Subject: Cuttings listings are up, ~230 varieties Replies: 24
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,068
 
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Originally Posted by TGO
I wondered why none of the 2017 plant offerings sold out and now cuttings are being offered (and yet the 2016 plants were not delivered when they were projected to be delivered)

That's due to a couple of factors.  The first is straightforward: I received a lot more orders for 2016 than I've received so far for 2017.  The second is that I can scale up to meet demand that is far out in the future like that, mostly thanks to the power of exponential growth (1 plant begets 7 which begets ~50 which begets ~350, etc).  The inventory numbers ramp up pretty fast once you get a few cycles into a "grow/prune/root/repeat" program.  Since I only started that program around 7 months ago, the 2016 tree project didn't get to be helped nearly as much by the power of exponential growth as the 2017 trees and cuttings will.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Yes, I do think I'll be able to start shipping out orders at the end of the month.  Most of the trees should be ready by then, and the slower ones can finish growing while I'm busy packaging and shipping out the ready ones.  It's going to take a while to package and ship them all out (200 hours?), so it may be a few weeks beyond the end of the month before you get your trees. 

I'll email each person before shipping to verify their address and to make sure that it's a good time to ship :)

Subject: Cuttings listings are up, ~230 varieties Replies: 24
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,068
 
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Originally Posted by loveFIG
Hi GreenFin,
The cost of $75 Phytosanitary Certificate is applicable to one tree or per order ?

per order

Subject: Shout Out to Harvey/James & Friends Replies: 69
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,087
 
Wow, those are all looking great!  You're going to be swimming in figs soon :) 

Subject: Rooting Whole Tree? Replies: 12
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 284
 
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Originally Posted by helike13
Better luck if you cut the main trunk and the thicker branches into shorter pieces... These are 4 gallon paint buckets...

Those are the most awesome cuttings I've ever seen :)

Subject: Cuttings listings are up, ~230 varieties Replies: 24
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,068
 
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Originally Posted by fignutty
James:

I might order some cuttings if I knew what I've already ordered for 2017 plants. Unfortunately I didn't write everything down and placed 3-4 orders. I know you are very busy but could you possibly send an order confirmation/summary on the plant orders you have?

Sure thing, Steve, I just looked up your orders and pm'd them to you :)

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smyfigs
Glad you got some help!

Me too!  I had felt like I was starting to get buried and worn down, but the extra hands have really helped a lot  :)

Subject: Cuttings listings are up, ~230 varieties Replies: 24
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 1,068
 
I just posted my new cuttings page for this season: http://www.figcuttings.com/p/winter-2016-fig-cuttings-for-sale.html

This year I'll be offering around 230 varieties, with 10% of sales being donated to Figs4Fun.  I set up the PayPal buttons with inventory limits for each variety to keep them from overselling, and will remove the 'add to cart' buttons once they're sold out.

I won't do my end-of-season pruning until after the trees have gone dormant, and since I'm going to be covering most of my in-ground trees with tunnel greenhouses to extend their growing season, it's likely that they won't go dormant until sometime in January.  So my best estimate is that the cuttings will be shipped out in late winter, probably around February 1st, 2017.  They will be around 6-8" long and 1/4"-3/4" thick.

All cuttings will be shipped via USPS Priority Mail.  I can ship everywhere in the USA (except Hawaii), and I can also ship internationally.  I cannot guarantee that international shipments will arrive in good condition (or even at all) due to the inherent risks of shipping them halfway around the world.  Odds are good that everything will go fine, but there is still risk, and international buyers must assume all of that risk.

Shipping charge for USA orders (2 days in transit):

# of cuttings......shipping charge
0-100.......................$10
101-200...................$20
201-300...................$30
301-400...................$40
401 and up...............$50

Shipping charge for international orders (6-10 days in transit):

# of cuttings......shipping charge
0-100.......................$70
101-200...................$140
201-300...................$210
301-400...................$280
401 and up...............$350

All prices are per cutting.  When you click the 'Add to Cart' button, you'll only add 1 cutting to your cart.  Most people want at least 2 or 3 cuttings of each variety.  You can change the number of cuttings of each variety in your shopping cart, just type in the number of cuttings you want and click the 'update' button.

If you place multiple orders for cuttings, I will consolidate them at shipping time and refund you for the extra unused shipping charges.  I will not immediately refund your extra shipping charge each time you place a new order (that would be far too time consuming), but I will issue one refund for the total extra amount at shipping time.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Thanks veggie_girl, and thanks for the tasty idea, Dan :)

As for an update:  Today was a big day!  I hired a work crew to help with all the work that needs done, and today was their first day.  My toes, hamstrings, and biceps are all cramping as I sit here, but we got a lot done, so it was worth it :)  I'm also bringing in a construction crew to put up a large new steel-framed tunnel with roll-up sides, so hopefully they'll get that done soon while the work crew and I are busy working on the orchard (mulching/planting/irrigation/etc) and the figs (up-potting, rooting, air-layering, irrigating, etc).

My outdoor figs are absolutely thriving!  They ripened their first figs in early September last year, and they look to be a month or more ahead of that pace this year.  The most impressive thing about them is that they didn't start growing any earlier this spring than last, it's just that they've been growing so much faster than last year that they've made up time.  I think I'm going to have my first really nice outdoor harvest season this year, and should have tons of cuttings as well.  (Generally speaking, the outdoor in-ground orchard is primarily intended for producing cuttings and whatever ideally-ripened fruit harvest I can get, whereas the figs in the tunnels are dedicated to the propagation project, though I will pull from outdoors to help with the project whenever necessary.)  I'll post some pics later after I recuperate a bit. 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by johnnyq627
Are the trees in the pics above your future mother trees, or are these the ones that will be sent out to people?

Mothers. 

In the 2nd pic you can see a tub of mothers on the left and another tub of mothers on the right that was pruned back a little over a week ago and is already starting to grow back.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
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Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Thanks for all the nice comments, everybody.  My stomach was in knots about falling behind schedule.  

I'm disappointed about missing the July 1st estimate, but I'm also pleased with how much progress has been made, and how well the project is progressing overall.  The schedule has gotten a little behind, but the project is looking like it will definitely be a success :) 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Sorry for the delay in responding to comments/questions in this thread.  I used to get email notices whenever someone would post in this thread, but I don't seem to get them regularly anymore, not sure why.

The trees all continue to grow, and grow well.  A lot of the 1st generation mothers are around 5 feet tall, and there's a lot of lignifying going on now, which is good to see.  I recently started rooting 2nd generation cuttings (which is the generation that will get shipped out to everyone), and they're rooting/leafing out well.  It's too bad that Black Madeiras don't grow like Conadria--I got several hundred cuttings just from the Conadria trees earlier this week! 

We're now just a couple of weeks away from the July 1st estimated delivery date, and I can see that the trees won't be ready by then.  It's looking like the project is about a month or two behind schedule, so I'm thinking it may be late August before they're ready to ship out.  I'm very sorry for this delay.  I think that not getting grow lights cost me a month early in the project, and not buying/building more greenhouses soon enough this spring probably cost another month.  I had been trying to conserve as much money as possible so that if anything were to go wrong I could refund everyone, but as it turns out there weren't any major problems, and all I did was slow down the project unnecessarily. 

I posted a generic pic earlier of the new 50' shade house that I bought to help transition the plants out of my greenhouses, and now I'm also adding a big commercial-size tunnel with roll-up sides to help hold everyone's figs.  That'll give me 6 greenhouses (5 permanent and 1 seasonal), which should be enough to comfortably hold all the trees until they're shipped. 

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Originally Posted by figlayla
will we be notified when the plants are shipped?

Yes, I'll email folks to give them a heads-up when their order is ready, and to make sure it's a good time to ship.  I don't want to send the orders if folks won't be able to receive them (some folks may be gone for vacations, work, moves, etc).

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Speaking of Wellspring Gardens, they're a good source for Kona Sugarloaf pineapple plants.  If you've never had a Sugarloaf pineapple, you're missing out!  They're red on the outside with white flesh, and there's no core so you can just cut the top off and eat it out like a sundae :)  I think they're superior to standard yellow pineapples in both flavor and texture, I can't recommend them enough.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by Jerry_M
Great job on the latest videos, GreenFin. The fig trees seem to be growing well. Will definately need to be hardened off after shipment. Just curious, how do you control mosquitoes or are they even a problem? How about gnats and fruit flies?

My shadehouse finally just arrived, so that'll give me a chance to try my hand at hardening them off before shipment.  Now I just need to squeeze 'build 50' shadehouse kit' into my existing 100-item to do list...

The fish quickly gobble up any mosquito larvae they encounter, so the pools never cause any problems.  The bananas, however, catch water at the base of their leaves, and larvae can grow in there.  Amazingly, lizards seem to do a pretty good job of getting most of them (I've probably got a dozen little lizards living in the tunnels).  But a lot of mosquitos fly in from outside, so there's always some.  On the bright side, though, they seem disoriented and tend to just hang out on the plastic roof.

There are gnats and fruit flies, but they seem to prefer the banana litter (old leaves, flowers, male fruit, and especially any overripe or rotting fruit), so they don't hang out around the figs or seem to cause any problems that I can see. 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by DaveL
Hi James, just finished watching your videos, great job!. You are a very busy man! I see your zone 6a, and just wondering what type of winter protection do you give your outside fig orchard?

I start by planting them all very deep when they're first planted, so there will always be at least a foot of wood that survives below ground regardless of how severe the winter is; that way it'll always sprout back up in the spring even in the worst case scenario.

When early winter arrives, I mound up mulch (hay, compost) around the base of the tree.  The trees this winter were all killed down to that mound line, but the wood from the mound line down all survived.

Next year I may step things up and put small tunnels over them, I'm not sure.  I'm also planted about 150 more, so I may hire some help with whatever method I use!

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
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Originally Posted by Sissy

Is it too late to find more cuttings?  Any ideas or help will  be appreciated.

I am sorry if this red text is too rude.  I am just feeling sorta panicity   I have had no success with the cuttings that I purchases.  I would love to find someone who can get at least one to me.  I sent money for cuttings of the Godfather tree but have not heard anything.   I had so wanted to get started this year. Thank you in advance

Hi Sissy,

I did a quick search and found a couple of long-time forum members who are still selling some cuttings (apologies to any other trusted sellers I missed, I was just doing a quick search).  I've bought cuttings from both of them, and have always been really pleased.  Here are links to their ebay pages:

drivewayfarmer: http://www.ebay.com/sch/drivewayfarmer/m.html?item=152089453886&hash=item23693ce53e%3Ag%3AFQgAAOSw3mpXNeXq&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Herman2: http://www.ebay.com/sch/hermansur/m.html?item=322105343894&hash=item4afef97f96%3Ag%3AcwkAAOSwP~tW5fWe&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

It's usually hard to find cuttings at this time of year, but you might get lucky if you start a thread about it.  There are lots of helpful members in the fig community, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone had some extra wood that they were willing to prune off of their trees to help you get started.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I'm going to try a few video updates today to see if I can give everybody a better view:





Subject: My community garden project Replies: 11
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 238
 
Awesome, way to go Sas! 

The world gets a little bit better every time a fig tree gets planted  :)

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
When I took some soft green cuttings and put them in the cloner, I got roots, but they were much smaller and weaker than the roots I got from hard green or lignified cuttings.  Here's a pic of a soft green cutting with some lignified cuttings to show what I mean:

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The soft green cutting produced lots of really thin roots that never grew past an inch long.  Eventually it withered and died.  I tried the same thing with 3 soft green cuttings, and got the same result with all 3.  I think that if I had added some nutrients and better light the soft green cuttings might have eventually flourished, but I don't know, and I don't want to take risks with your root systems. 

So to try and ensure that everyone gets trees with good strong root systems, I've decided to air-layer the mother trees rather than trim and root green cuttings from them.  That way the established roots of the mother trees can help power good root growth for the new trees-to-be.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
Sorry about the lack of updates lately, this is a really hectic time of year for me on the fish farming side of things.  I raise blue tilapia that I deliver all over the state (in the morning or at night, so I can be home during peak heat to care for the figs); here's a video of me netting some out for a client who lives about 2 miles from me:



The new news on the fig front is that I got one of these 14' x 50' shade houses for the figs: https://www.growerssupply.com/farm/supplies/prod1;gs_shade_houses_shade_cloth-gs_sunblocker_pro_shadehouse;b43dbae4_10355950.html

I'm hoping to have the shade house up and filled with figs in about a week when I get a bit of a break on the fish front. 

Here are some pics of the figs:

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Here's an example of what the ones in the floating pools look like when you pull them out (definitely time for larger pots and more space):

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Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I'm working on an update, I'll post it in a few minutes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sas
James what spacing are you going to use for your in ground orchard?

Sorry I didn't see your question until now, I'm going with 8' spacing within each row and 7' between rows, staggered like this:

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Subject: My 1st Year Fig Orchard Replies: 11
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 429
 
Nice!  You're going to be buried in fresh figs soon :)

Subject: Moving Day!!! Replies: 16
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 343
 
Looking good, Aaron!  You're going to be swimming in figs this year :)

What size tree pots are you using in the first pic?

Subject: Best place to purchase potted fig trees Replies: 11
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 502
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisw
I have heard that cloned trees take a longer time to fruit than trees from cuttings.

You're probably thinking of "tissue cultured," not "cloned."  Propagating via cuttings and propagating via tissue culture are both methods for cloning plants, but tissue cultured figs are more likely to revert to juvenile wood (vigorous but unproductive) as a result of the tc process.

Wellspring Gardens sells tissue cultured plants.

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 28,731
 
I started work on expanding my in-ground outdoor fig orchard this week, I think the tilled area will provide around 12,000 square feet for additional figs.  I'll cover it in landscape fabric, bury it in thick wood mulch, and add some irrigation, hopefully all in the next couple of weeks.

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The trees for the propagation project continue to grow, and I'll be busy unpacking them over the next week.  I just bought 30 more 5' diameter hard plastic wading pools; I'll set many of them outdoors to hold up-potted figs now that our last frost is probably past, and the rest will go in another tunnel greenhouse to hold the youngest trees.  After all the older trees have been moved out of the floating wading pools pictured below, I'll probably reload the floating pools with another generation, too.

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BTW, I picked and ate my first bananas of the season over the past couple of days :)  The variety is possibly/probably Manzano.  The finger I tried yesterday was good but still slightly chalky; the one I ate today was nicely ripe and very good, maybe the best flavored banana I've ever eaten. 

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Subject: How many Malta Blacks are there? Replies: 9
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 347
 
I have the same strain as Herman2, and agree with what he said.  I'd describe it as a better version of Hardy Chicago: it looks similar, but seems a step up in terms of quality.  So whereas I'd consider Mt. Etnas to be about 8/10 on a taste scale, my Malta Black is a 9/10.  The taste isn't just better, it's a little different (maybe a hint of black licorice?  and maybe an extra 'smoothness' to the flavor?).  The Malta Black figs also seem slightly larger than my Mt. Etna figs.

My in-ground outdoor Mt. Etnas make better figs than my greenhouse Mt. Etnas, and my potted greenhouse Malta Black figs are on par with those in-ground outdoor Mt. Etnas.  

Subject: My FIgaholics Youtube Channel Replies: 22
Posted By: GreenFin Views: 601
 
Awesome Harvey, good luck with it!  I'm sure a lot of us will benefit greatly from your videos.

BTW, the link you posted didn't work for me, but I searched and found your channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFPlRAKPkqIhN0ixZdi6WFg

(great choices for pics!)