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Subject: Banned members Replies: 112
Posted By: ascpete Views: 6,357
 
Keith (Dirtguy50),

IMO, this forum community has been based on cordial and friendly discourse even when there was disagreement and where questions are asked and answered in a polite manner. Jon V. posted a simple Forum Etiquette, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Forum-Decorum-6119026 in the Start Here Topic on Page #1 that should be regularly reviewed by every member.

What has happened on several occasions is that arguments have arisen and instead of cordial discourse the posts devolve into rude and or inappropriate comments. Discussing a point shouldn't result in name calling and obscenity just because you disagree or lack a rebuttal. Also in some of the same topics some members take sides and join in the same bad behavior.

Jon V. as Administrator has the right to Delete or Lock the Topics and ban or suspend members, but as he has always stated he prefers minimal intervention, which leaves it up to individuals and the forum community to conduct themselves in a civil manor.

Subject: Banned members Replies: 112
Posted By: ascpete Views: 6,357
 
Phil (Strudeldog),
Thanks.
I'm not back, as a vacationing forum member I just had to post my support for the banned members. It would be great if we could have constructive discourse without name calling and trolling.

Subject: Banned members Replies: 112
Posted By: ascpete Views: 6,357
 
I acknowledge that Jon V. has the right and responsibility to ban members and delete topics that devolve into vulgarity and name calling, he is the administrator, but continually deleting entire Topics doesn't address the root cause of this argument.

Placing Known cultivar names on unknown or found figs only serves to diminish the Hobby by placing inferior and untried cultivars in circulation as known and true cultivars. Its a good argument with a simple solution, one that Jon V uses in his Varieties Database.

I'm with Frank (FMD)....

BTW, I've read the deleted topic and saved a PDF copy, which is not currently relevant to this discussion.

Subject: OT... I would like to thank Jon and the forum members. Replies: 51
Posted By: ascpete Views: 2,124
 
Rafael,
I will be on "vacation" from the forum for the Winter, so I've disabled my PM. I'll be back in the Spring.
Again thanks.

Subject: OT... I would like to thank Jon and the forum members. Replies: 51
Posted By: ascpete Views: 2,124
 
This topic was started to inform the forum community of my absence, not to elicit response from members, but thanks for your support and kind words.

I'm under no delusion that my respite will create any changes, its just been my personal code when it comes to discourteous behavior, I don't abide with it in real life and I refuse to abide with it in this virtual reality.

I sincerely believe that 99.9% (+/- 0.5% error) of members are here to share and foster a communal forum environment, that's why I will resume posting in the spring.

Thank you.

Subject: OT... I would like to thank Jon and the forum members. Replies: 51
Posted By: ascpete Views: 2,124
 
I have had a great experience learning and sharing info on this forum. Thank You.

As of late there are a few members who insist on being overtly rude and discourteous, claiming to foster forum unity but practicing the opposite as seen in several topics, some of which have been deleted and cannot be referenced. I have always refused to remain near rude and vulgar people so I'm removing myself from the forum. I'll be back in the Spring when hopefully the discourse will be about figs and fig cultivation.

Have a wonderful winter...

Subject: ROOTS!....Too thin? Replies: 17
Posted By: ascpete Views: 740
 
Larry,
Usually there are holes in the bottom of the cups. Fig cuttings need good aeration for fast healthy growth. Rich Started a topic with lots of good compiled info on his rooting method, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6838912 .


Figlegacy,
If you would like, I'll be happy to expound on my comments about the roots.

  Jon Verdick's Encanto farms webpages with perlite rooted cuttings and pictures of healthier roots...

http://figs4fun.com/basics_Rooting.html
http://figs4fun.com/Rooting_Bag_New_Style.html
  My personal posts of visibly healthy roots in several different tests and mediums...
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1284356059&postcount=15
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1284871622&postcount=19
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1285152675&postcount=30


Rich,
I believe it is useless for me to produce any technical documents to you, and to have a true discourse as proven by your discourteous comments in this and other topics.

Quote:
Originally posted by RichinNJ,
wut? Honestly you are so full of it Pete.


Quote:
Originally posted by RichinNJ,
K' then. Talk technical trash.. Get called out. Show data or shut up... Pretty simple actually.

Subject: Coffee Grinds! Vote 2014, Replies: 59
Posted By: ascpete Views: 2,234
 
ChrisK,
I use coffee grounds as an ant deterrent, but it adds nutrients to compost and soil. There are dozens of topic on the forum on its use, like the following http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/coffee-grounds-6104574 .
Good Luck.


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My Vote is Yes, used in moderation.
Coffee Grounds...

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/lane/sites/default/files/documents/cffee07.pdf
There's lots of published positive information, technical publications, research papers and documentation on the Internet about the use of Coffee Grounds and Wood Ash in Gardening, simply put it to the test for yourself. Here's another publication on Coffee Grounds, http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/horticultural%20myths_files/Myths/Coffee%20grounds.pdf .
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/index.html


Wood Ash...

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/wasco/sites/default/files/mastergardeners/newsletters/documents/NovDec_000.pdf

Subject: ROOTS!....Too thin? Replies: 17
Posted By: ascpete Views: 740
 
Figlegacy,
IMO, darker thin (woody) roots are usually due to excessive light and or several dry cycles. Thin translucent roots are usually due to excess water and possibly reduced oxygen. Re-potting may be necessary, including removing some of the lower older leaves to balance the growth (leaves to roots).
Good Luck

Subject: Ya'll are a great bunch of folks. Replies: 21
Posted By: ascpete Views: 855
 
Charlie,
Thanks for starting this Topic.
There's 200 times more good than bad here.

James,
There is a large # of great members out there in the forum community and much more good.
If you do the math with ~ 33% of registered forum members active or visiting in the past year... of that number less than 0.5% have been jackwagons.
This means that there are ~ 99.5% Good... ; )
If that 33% is larger then the % of good only increases.

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Alan,
I sincerely hope the following isn't perceived as an indictment.
But, since we are mostly adults and aware of the bad around us, could we not instead focus on the positives, especially on this Forum and in this Topic in particular.

Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Andy,
You're welcome,
Here's another book by the same author...
http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Natural-Way-Of-Farming-Masanobu-Fukuoka-Green-Philosophy.pdf
With a little planning its Gardening without most of the work...

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Waynea,
I've been able to populate my 5-1-1-1 mix with earthworms by simply mixing it months before its needed and leaving it in place on the ground like a compost pile. within a month or 2 its teeming with earthworms.  I've never purchased worms ; )

Subject: Starting figs in ProMix Replies: 120
Posted By: ascpete Views: 7,015
 
Malcolm,
I've used the Dip n Grow rooting hormone successfully. At the recommended 10x and 15x dilutions, which is approximately 3000 ppm and 2000 ppm IBA the cuttings root about 2 weeks faster and if the temperature and moisture levels in the mix are maintained, they will be that much further ahead of untreated cuttings. I seal the top ends of my cuttings with melted paraffin wax regardless of being tip cuttings, but I prefer to the remove the tips due to better growth from cuttings with cut ends. Tim's recommendation of no light and no water until after rooted is my usual practice when rooting fig cuttings.

I now typically root cuttings directly in converted 2 liter soda bottle Mini-SIPs in a heavy duty 1020 seedling trays under a 7" high humidity dome and maintain the ambient temperature between 72*F and 78*F for fastest rooting and shortest time under the "rooting dome" or "initial rooting period" of 3 - 4 weeks.

Subject: Why Self Irrigating Containers? Replies: 55
Posted By: ascpete Views: 1,856
 
Mike,
Thanks. The PVC issue is why I've used the Corrugated HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) drain pipe and HDPE water pipe as fill pipe in the fabrication of my SIPs, but there is PVC rated for PW (Potable Water) that is currently available on the market. Its listed right on the pipe.

The Wick cross section of ~10% works with all the higher porosity / high peat content mixes (as listed on the Earth Box website). The Custom mixes have to be tested in the SIPs for proper wicking, and lower porosity potting mixes also fall into this category. After the roots are established the plants are able to acclimate themselves to their growing environment, especially since the SIPs have the added advantage of maintaining better aeration than top watered containers, which may be a reason why the Mushroom Compost works in the Bill's SIPs. Yes, Tomatoes do great in SIPs and usually do not have a problem with "wet feet".

Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Pino,
If the soil is removed in early spring there may or may not be initial root formation (swelling). It should not be a problem because the low soil temperatures and lack of moisture would allow only minimal growth.

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Kelby,
That was one of my reasons for starting this topic, to point out the similarities between different potting mix ingredients and sorting into groups in which they belong. I will leave it to individuals to sort out their own replacement ingredients by simply testing their available materials. I've already stated the 3 groups that are relevant to my Custom Potting Mixes and the sustitutes that I've personally tested...

Some Internet documents about Perlite's properties when used in potting mixes that would reinforce your assertion, it refers to increasing the water holding ability by decreasing the particle size, but In my observations, when you compare the water retention of comparable sized Perlite and Gravel the Perlite retains only slightly more moisture. As the Perlite particles get smaller they will hold more moisture similar to comparably sized sand.
https://perlite.org//library-perlite-info/horticultural-perlite/Effective-Watering_Horticultural-Perlite.pdf
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/newsrel/2004/feb04/feb0429.html
http://www.schundler.com/using.htm



Waynea,
Thanks for sharing that info.
Its been my experience that good sifted compost can usually be placed in the High Porosity / Water Retaining group.

Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Tyler,
Filling the space above the cordons worked in practice last season. Air space and complete burial have been used for decades as shown in the attached links.

Winterization, Burial
http://www.italiangardening.com/2011/04/three-ways-to-store-your-fig-trees-for.html
http://www.theitaliangardenproject.com/tuck-in-fig.html

Voles usually travel just below the surface under the snow and are easily excluded from a garden or tree burial area. Vole preventative measures are in the attached links and as quoted.

Vole Protection.
http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/FS094E/FS094E.pdf
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PDF/PESTNOTES/pnvoles.pdf
Quote:
Exclusion
Wire fences at least 12 inches above the ground with a mesh size of 1/4inch or smaller will help to exclude voles from the entire garden. These fences either can stand alone or be attached to the bottom of an existing fence (Fig. 3). Bury the bottom edge of the fence 6 to 10 inches to prevent voles from tunneling beneath it. A weed-free barrier on the outside of the fence will increase its effectiveness.

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Waynea,
Thanks for sharing your mix ratio.
One of my favorite quotes...
Quote:
Albert Einstein,
Everything should be made as simple as possible,but not simpler.

Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Tylerj,
The dead air space around the cordon should be filled with something to reduce or eliminate condensation and mold. Also extending the insulation past the vertical sides of the box will increase the ground insulation value without the need for mounding extra dirt and cover material.


Calvin,
I grow vegetable in my weed garden ; ) since I don't remove weeds but use them as cover crop and green manure. The weeds make the best compost and are "locally sourced". My gardening bible has become The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka, http://www.appropedia.org/images/d/d3/Onestraw.pdf .

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Waynea,
Thanks for commenting.
Please share your answer to the OP question.
What is your current potting mix recipe for Containers and or SIPs? 
Thanks.

Subject: Roots quit growing? Replies: 20
Posted By: ascpete Views: 752
 
Brettjm,
Attached is a picture of healthy roots growing with the variables balanced.
Click image for larger version - Name: fig_roots_at_3_weeks_alcohol_wash_and_20x_dilution_DipnGrow.jpg, Views: 548, Size: 248.45 KB Hydrponic roots.jpg .
The roots should "look healthy" regardless of medium used.


Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Wayne,
Yes, I've considered the use of "Row Covers" or "Row Cloches" for the espaliers, similar to Tomato Cloches, but only if and when the night time temperatures remain above 40% F. I already have several movable 4' x 8' hoop frames made from 2" x 4" lumber and 3/4" PVC electrical tubing hoops. Row covers can also be set up quickly with 15" lengths of 1/2" rebar and 3/4" PVC electrical tubing covered with 6 mil plastic. 2 pieces of rebar are hammered into the ground ~ 4' apart with 6" exposed and the PVC tubing is bent between the two to form hoops, the process is repeated to cover the "row". They could also be made with metal hoops as in the attached photo.
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Web Photo of moveable hoop frames...

Subject: Earliest In-Ground Fig Fruit, No Protection, Zone 6b Replies: 80
Posted By: ascpete Views: 3,414
 
Pino,
I've got an in-ground espalier winterized per the diagram in post #41.
I will post updates in the spring...

Subject: Roots quit growing? Replies: 20
Posted By: ascpete Views: 752
 
Brettjm,

With the proper balance of temperature, air, moisture and the exclusion of light, the roots should continue to grow with a healthy tan to white color. The exterior of roots lignify over time due to wet dry cycles, age and light, much like the bark on stems, but this happens over time. BTW, The mix and container need to be aerated so the roots can "breathe" to intake Oxygen and expel CO2.

Subject: Why Self Irrigating Containers? Replies: 55
Posted By: ascpete Views: 1,856
 
I would agree that depth of the soil is not as critical a dimension as wick cross sectional area, and its  partly due to the wicking ability (capillary action) of the soil mixes. If the depth is too deep the upper portions of the soil will not get watered. The maximum depth of successful larger SIPs is usually around 18 inches with an average of 12 - 16 inches. the reservoir can be any depth, but should not be too deep because the water has to be wicked up into the potting mix through capillary action / wicking ability of the potting mix.

On average the reservoirs are 4" - 6" deep, they could be shallower if an automated watering system is used, but the reservoirs also serve the secondary purpose of being a container for the long "water" roots that develop later in the growing season. The reservoirs are also kept relatively shallow so that the water is wicked away / removed / exchanged continuously and doesn't stagnate. A simple automated watering system is the Level Control Bucket as used in the Alaska Grow bucket systems,  http://alaskagrowbuckets.com/alaska-grow-bucket-guide , the level control bucket can be used with any container and containers can be grouped to be watered by a single Level Control Bucket attached to the water supply.

The wick cross section is one of the most import items for a successful SIP and IMO, it should be ~ 10% of the containers cross section (Area)... 12 " diameter container 4" wick,  18" diameter 6" wick, 24" diameter 8" wick etc... These numbers are from experimentation and measurements of the wick area / planter area of Commercially Manufactured SIPs. A larger cross section results in faster saturation, while smaller results in reduced capillary action and water into the potting mix.
NurseryPot_SIP_8-2-14.jpg .
The potting mix also has to have a high soil porosity (wicking ability, high portion of fine particles) which means the high peat content of commercially available mixes, usually more than 70%, for the increased capillary action. 
SaturationZoneakaWick.jpg  .
An example of the main design principle of SIPs, Saturation Zone / Perched Water aka the soil wick.
<edit> Attached Pics.

__________________
Pete S. / NY,  Zone 6A


Subject: Why Self Irrigating Containers? Replies: 55
Posted By: ascpete Views: 1,856
 
A little off topic, but attached are some links to forum discussion with some basic SIP construction and designs. The first group of links are to the Original Commercially available SIPs for gardening... The EarthBox. They have an extensive website with lots of info including the potting mixes that have been approved/tested in their SIPs. Their linked instruction PDF and videos explain the step by step setup procedures. The 5 gallon buckets and the 18 gallon totes were originally called EB Clones before the company initiated law suits...

The Commercial SIP that started it all...
http://earthbox.com/
http://earthbox.com/videos
http://earthbox.com/earthbox-pdf/EB-WEB-INSTRUCTIONS_NEW-2.pdf
http://earthbox.com/approved-for-earthbox

My personal 30 gallon barrels SIP build...
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1281136821&postcount=25

Links to SIP Discussions with additional Forum links...
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/55-gallon-drum-sip-containers-5732589
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/selfwatering-containers-are-giving-me-outstanding-results-sip-swc-7034186
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280888714&postcount=7
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280740601&postcount=8


5 gallon 2 bucket SIPs with figs...

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Vitalia Young,
Welcome to the Forum Community.
You're welcome. Thanks for commenting.
You may wish to start a new topic introducing yourself to the forum community.



Gloria,
You're welcome and thanks for commenting.
Although I agree that there is no "one perfect mix" due to the different ingredients, locations and personal preferences, decades of published research shows that there are quantitative properties (water and air retention) that can be applied to all growing mediums which can insure optimal growing conditions. The basic properties of proven mixes can be compared to similar available materials to achieve similar success with available materials. One example is the Nursery Industries' use of high % Peat Moss in annual mixes and high % Pine Bark fines in perennial mixes. They are used for cost and weight but also for the measured properties that they bring to the potting mix, water retention, air retention, etc.

One anecdote that I have personally used is that "the 5-1-1 or Gritty mix dries out too fast but is a good mix for growing figs", it has lower water retention and higher aeration. Automated irrigation could solve this problem which would allow it to be used almost anywhere, but most have opted to use more water retentive mixes or modify the recipes.
Another example of quantitative properties is the rooting of dormant fig cuttings. The two major variables that can determine success rates are temperature and humidity around the cutting. IMO, regardless of the dozens of procedures and techniques used when the temperature is maintained within a narrow optimal range (72* - 78*F) the humidity is also easily held at its optimal range (85% - 90% RH) and it results in the highest rooting success rates.

Subject: Mold Protocal Replies: 12
Posted By: ascpete Views: 508
 
Bob C,
It causes less damage on new emerging leaves. Undiluted will kill young plant cells.

Subject: Mold Protocal Replies: 12
Posted By: ascpete Views: 508
 
Dirtguy50,
A 3% Hydrogen Peroxide / water solution sprayed on the cuttings after the fuzz is brushed way, along with increased airflow. 1 part peroxide / 3 parts water (25% peroxide / 75% water) is used to mist the cutting surface. Good Luck.

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Byron,
Thanks for commenting and sharing your info.
Yes, testing the potting mixes with actual growing plants results in real time information on their behavior under different locations and growing conditions. Fig growers use mixes that "are all over the map" but there are many common properties between all these mixes. Common variables among the different mixes can be repeated or substitutes can be made (found) for individual ingredients. IMO, the starting reference point should be the ingredient ratios of successful potting mixes. The ratio of particle size and material properties can lead to mixes with completely different ingredients, but the similar porosity, aeration and plant growing properties. 
for example, I've found that crushed gravel or pea gravel works as a good substitute for Perlite in a potting mix, it reduces compaction which increases aeration, but the drawback is a small additional weight to the mix. Calcined Clay is a good substitute for vermiculite, it has similar properties, again the only drawback is the small additional dry weight. One commonality between perennial (long lived) commercial potting mixes and successful custom mixes is pine bark mulch/fines. Comparisons of the ratios and particle sizes can lead to more locally available possible substitutions.



Bob C,
I've tried that procedure http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4728896 and had commented on its success in another topic. When a well aerated potting mix (low peat or fines) is used and mulch is mounded above the drainage holes or the pot is partially buried, the roots will quickly grow out into the mounded mulch and ground usually within only a few months. Side holes near the bottom of the pot works best.

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Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Zone5figger,
Partially composted is recommended, but the composting can be hastened by adding soil microbes like Mycorrhizae.
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0212444023053.html

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Bob C,
Yes, the sand based mix would be used in 5 - 10 gallon containers, and the weight would be a benefit for top heavy trees. I've had very healthy root growth in a mix of mostly 1/2" crushed Gravel (Blue Stone Gravel) and Coarse Concrete sand.



Tim,
You're welcome.
I'd love to help, though my knowledge on soils and fig trees is at the hobbyist level.
As I mentioned in the OP most of the information is already posted on the Internet. The understanding of How and Why the ingredients are used in the mixes can lead to ingredients that can be substituted from locally available material. That's why I've done ingredient comparisons between the different mixes. The pH and Nutrients can be included at the final stages because there is an enormous amount of information and experience readily available. I'll be happy to PM results on the different sand mixes and ratios next season.

Since fertilizers and additives are more personalized I usually disregard the fertilizer portions of the mix recipes personally opting for a simple organic approach. IMO, good Compost, topsoil and or Peat seeded with Espoma-tone Organics and mineral additives can provide all the nutrients and beneficial soil microbes needed for healthy growth, even in completely inert mixes.

Containers definitely influence growth, Ive used spun landscape fabric as pot liners and it increases root branching, decreasing the quantity of large tap roots.

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 

Bob C,
Thanks for the reply and the detailed info.
I've never done this but, a small wood chipper could be used to reduce the large chunks to make uniform sized Bark Mulch for the potting mix.



Rafael,
There is a bit of confusion with the technical term "soil porosity" and the adjective porous.
The smaller the mix particles, the larger the volume of air spaces, this also increases water holding ability, and increases soil porosity. Porous and porosity is also used to describe the larger air spaces and air volume held in soil which is partly where the confusion arises. When I first started making custom potting mixes over a decade ago, the terminology was confusing, so I made the distinction between Porous or quantity of small air spaces and Aerated or quantity of large air spaces, because its easier for me to visualize, one is fine grained and the other is large particles. Its the difference between a 32 oz. container of Peat and a 32 oz. container of Coarse Perlite, the peat container will hold much more water because it has higher soil porosity.

ProMix-HP is refering to the increased Aeration of the mix caused by the additional Perlite, but technically they are actually decreasing the soil porosity, by decreasing the quantity of small air spaces. Hope this helps.... Many other manufacturers make the actual distinction between soil porosity and aeration in their descriptions.



Tim,
Thanks for posting and sharing your mix recipe and results.
Congratulations and Good Luck with the new farm...
That website had been linked in another topic, and I had planned on liking it in this topic.
I use the same brands of Bark and Perlite but use the Premier or another Canadian brand Peat Moss
I'm also looking at locally available ingredient alternatives which is why I'm trialing a few Sand-Gravel Mixes (with a compost/mulch top layer) that were successful in the past.


Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Bob C,
Thanks for commenting.
You've harassed your way onto my subscription list for next year ; )
This year has poor pickings due to extreme die back...
What's your current mix and ratios?

A 3.5 Cu Ft bale expands to ~ 7 Cu Ft. I usually place the additives in the "Peat" portion and that's the reason for the final ratios...

Subject: Free Reuseable Hinged Clam shell Air Layer Pots Replies: 10
Posted By: ascpete Views: 1,409
 
Update: 12/7/14

Pictures of a few recently separated Bryant dark air layers with clam shell pots. This season most of the air layers on the Bryant Dark tree were done with 1 gallon nursery pots using ground layering technique due to winter dieback of most of the upper branches. The pictured air layers were all on this seasons growth.
AirLayers separated_12-4-14.jpg AirLayers separated2_12-4-14.jpg .


Subject: Perlite with MG? Replies: 2
Posted By: ascpete Views: 290
 
Brettjm,
The MG perlite will work fine, I've used it. For rooting cuttings I recommend sifting it through a regular window screen (mosquito netting) to remove the dust and fine particles. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/from-bag-to-pot-particle-size-is-everything-6284562
Good luck.

Subject: Why Self Irrigating Containers? Replies: 55
Posted By: ascpete Views: 1,856
 
ADelmanto,
SIPs when properly constructed and maintained provide a steady supply of water and nutrients to plants roots, with minimal waste of either, and is regulated by the actual plant growth. This results in steady uninterrupted growth. Side by side growth comparisons between Containers and SIPs are similar to comparisons between Containers and Hydroponic.

A tray of water under a pot will not work the same as a SIP because the soil will become waterlogged which will drown the roots. The design of a SIP involves a wick and an aeration platform above the water reservoir that allows for aeration of the mix. If a regular container and tray of water are to be used as a SIP, the bottom of the container should include a wick (to reduce the water/mix contact) and Aeration platform to keep most of the potting mix above the water in the tray. The roots will grow down into the water as more water is needed by the plant.
NurseryPot SIP_AerationPlatform.jpg .
An example of a nursery pot converted into a SIP...

BTW, top watering also contributes to the mix settling and compacting faster, reducing aeration (trapped air) in the potting mix. A simple example is to do a side by side comparison with 2 clear 32 oz cups with drainage holes in the bottom. With the same amount and type of mix in both, water one from the top and the other from the bottom.
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Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
Posted By: ascpete Views: 4,540
 
Kelby,
Thanks for the reply.
That ratio is ~;
Nursery Mix  3.5-1-1      17.5% - 65% - 17.5% (pine bark mulch - peat - perlite)

I don't have any more info than published by manufacturers.
I dumped out approximately 2 cubic yards of used 5-1-1-1 mix out of containers at the beginning of this past season. It was in use for 2 years and all still in good condition, with only a loss of some of the fines and peat (to decay and leaching). There was minimal signs of compaction of the mix. These 2 year old trees that were pulled from their buckets were root bound or almost root bound after only 2 years in the 5 gallon buckets. At the end of this season, 3 years of use, the mix is still not compacted, but all the 1 year and older trees have to be root pruned.
LsuOrourke_RootBall_6-26-14.jpg .
IMO, the trees would require root pruning long before the mix was decayed and compacted. My guess would be 3 - 5 years service life of a 5-1-1-1 mix.
 


Charlie,
Thanks for posting the recipe.
Almost Eden's ratio is ~;
AE mix 4-1-1-1/2              60% - 16% - 16% - 8% (pine bark mulch - peat - hadite - sand)


Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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Frank,
You're welcome and thanks for commenting.
When I first started growing figs I trialed Al Tapla's posted recipes and used them successfully. I've tried other recipes, but have found that the modified 5-1-1 has been the best overall performer, combining the benefits of 5-1-1 and the Gritty Mix.


Charlie,
You're welcome and thanks for commenting.
I've purchased several small fig trees from Almost Eden and they used a large portion of sand in their mix. Please post the recipe, it's completely on topic and will be appreciated, especially if its used to grow fig trees.
 

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Phil,
You're welcome, Thanks for commenting.



Zone5figger,
You're welcome, Thanks for commenting.
I haven't had reason to use much Bio char other than small inconclusive experiments, but have read that it works wonders for problem soils. I do however use the Espoma-Tone fertilizers, Gypsum and Locally sourced pulverized Dolemite Limestone which provide most of the nutrient requirements of potted Fig Trees.



Rich,
Thanks for commenting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinNJ,
Hate to tell you this Pete but your percentages have many mistakes and omissions. For example your MG recipe is incorrect as is your Fafard. Unfortunately I see so much of your "research" as opinion and pseudo-science I've given up paying attention to most of it. Others should also view your "results" as suspect.

The manufacturers' ratios and documentation have been discussed and linked in other Potting Mix topics, they can also be Googled for verification. Also most manufacturers will place a +/- 5% disclaimer on their ingredient content...
Since I round out my ratios I may also have to put a +/- disclaimer of ~2% on ratio calculations.

BTW The info and documentation contained in the OP was collected from Web searches, Fig4Fun Forum archives and from GardenWeb archives, most of my conclusions from the actual hands on tests are just that, my opinion and I have always stated that... I've chosen to share the results for replication and review. I am happy to engage in discourse on the subject of this topic.

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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Frank,
Thanks for commenting and sharing your info.
I've seen the pictures that you've shared on the forum.

That ratio for SIPs is;
2.5-1 ratio     70% - 30% (Peat/5% worm castings - perlite)



Calvin,
Thanks for commenting and sharing you info.

Your ratio is approximately;
1-4-1 ratio      15% - 70% - 15%  (pine bark - Peat/5% additives - perlite)

I typically use the Bio-tone Starter only for 1 gallon and smaller containers. I rely on the Mycorrhizae of the Espoma-Tones in the larger containers. I've not used kelp meal alone, instead I rely on natural compost to return all the required trace minerals back to the garden. Soil, Sand, Clay and Calcined Clay are also good sources of available Silica, which is one reason why I added Calcined Clay to my potting mix recipe.


Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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Kelby,
Thanks for commenting and sharing your info...
Do you know (can you find out) the approximate ratio of major ingredients?
It can be used in comparisons... Thanks.


Rafael,
IMO, visibly healthier vigorous roots (larger diameter tan to white) develop in the more aerated mixes. As the potting mix becomes denser the roots grow out thinner and darker.

Most ingredients can be categorized as 1) High Porosity / Fine / Water Holding, 2) Aerating / Large Particles or 3) Supplements and additives. Most mushroom composts fall in the high porosity group #1 with Peat and most sands. Group #2, Aerated is Perlite, Gravel and Lava Rocks. Group # 3 are the Mineral Supplements Limestone and Fertilizers which are a very small portion (although essential) of the mix ingredients.

IMO, you will get much better growth by keeping the Aerated portion of the mix greater that ~50%. This is not to imply that you won't get good growth in the denser mixes, Its just been my observation at several different fig growing locations that faster healthier grow results from a more aerated mix.

One simple way of testing your mix is to make a small portion at the designed ratios, then sift it through a 1/4" sieve to separate out the particles, the more aerated mix will have more large particles remaining above the 1/4' mesh.

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Aaron,
Thanks...

That ratio is;
4-3-1  50% - 37.5% - 12.5% (Wood Chips - Peat - Perlite).
BTW regular Miracle-Gro is usually only about 15% Perlite.

How long have you grown in this mix? and How have your harvests been?
Thanks.

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OttawanZ5,
Italian Honey aka Lattarula is usually easily identified by its ribbed exterior, but it is one of the earliest cultivars...

Some cultivars have visible ribs when green and the ribs fade as the figs develop. In my observations there has been no connection between ribbed figs and late ripening.

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Rafael,
That is the first hand anecdotal info that I'm looking to compile in this topic.... My experience has also been that they will grow in almost any medum,but will thrive with proper balanced nutrients and potting mix or soil structure.

Yes, any one can read, form opinions and conjecture without ever actually applying the information.


Aaron,
You're welcome.
What's your mix recipe? Thanks...

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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Rafael,
You're welcome.
Silica is a beneficial mineral for plant growth.
I've not done detailed research on sand, but it should be coarse and clean or prewashed to remove salts. I use coarse Concrete Sand from a local Quarry, but have successfully used Play Sand from the home Improvement stores in small planters.
LSUPurplefigsRipening_9-27-14.jpg  .
Attached is a picture of an LSU Purple in a Concrete Sand potting mix.

Actually this topic was started to get some more real Anecdotal Information from members instead of conjecture (assumptions).

... So what are you currently using as your potting mix ingredients and in what ratios?


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Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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Many members have discussed and posted their preferred mixes, the major ingredients of some are listed below for comparison to a few custom mixes...

Containers..
Miracle-Gro:     85% - 15% (peat - perlite)
Fertilome UPM: 85% - 15% (peat - perlite).
Pro-Mix BX:       85% - 15% (peat - perlite).
Pro-Mix HP:      75% - 25% (peat - perlite).
Fafard52:         60% - 30% - 10% (pinebark - peat - perlite)
5-1-1:              71.4% - 14.3% - 14.3% (pine bark - peat - perlite).
5-1-1-1:           62.5% - 12.5% - 12.5% - -12.5% (pine bark - peat - perlite - calcined clay)
Gritty Mix:        33% - 33% - 34% (pine bark - ganite grit - calcined clay)

Sub Irrigated Planters (SIPs)
BillsFigs:        100% Mushroom Compost
Miracle-Gro:   85% - 15% (peat - perlite)
Pro-Mix BX:    85% - 15% (peat - perlite)
4-2-1-1:         50% - 25% - 12.5% - -12.5% (pine bark - peat - perlite - calcined clay)

Several members have used commercial mixes with added portions of Perlite, Lava Rocks etc. for added aeration and or Manure Compost, Mushroom Compost etc for added nutrients and organic humus.

Its been my observation that container grown fig trees will grow in almost any medium but will grow faster and healthier in a well aerated mix. I use the custom 5-1-1-1 mix, there are many merits of this mix and with the addition of 1 part Calcined clay the water holding capacity is increased while maintaining the beneficial aeration. The mix is still good (reuseable) after 3 seasons of use. I used the 4-2-1-1 mix successfully last season in SIPs.  I plan on trialing 2 new mixes longterm, the 5-1-1-1 mix without peat as mentioned by Al Tapla in one of the discussions and a Gravel - Sand mix which Ive trialed successfully with fig culture.

What is your current potting mix recipe for Containers and or SIPs?



Links to info on potting mix ingredients...
 http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/peatlite.pdf
 http://www.turface.com/sites/default/files/landscape_brochure.pdf
 http://earthbox.com/earthbox-pdf/EB-WEB-INSTRUCTIONS_NEW-2.pdf
 http://earthbox.com/earthbox-pdf/replant-instructions-1.pdf

Archived discussions on potting mixes...@Figs4Fun
 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/consensus-on-potting-mix-6416224?&trail=50
 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6704202

Archived discussions on potting mixes...@ GardenWeb
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0212444023053.html
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bonsai/msg0219033011437.html
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg1221344425812.html
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0323131520631.html
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0914024623640.html
 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0921071615772.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Tapla,
The basic soils I use

The 5-1-1 mix:
5 parts pine bark fines (partially composted fines are best)
1 part sphagnum peat (not reed or sedge peat please)
1-2 parts perlite
garden lime (or gypsum in some cases)
controlled release fertilizer (if preferred)

Big batch;
3 cu ft pine bark fines
5 gallons peat
5 gallons perlite
2 cups dolomitic (garden) lime (or gypsum in some cases)
2 cups CRF (if preferred)

Small batch;
3 gallons pine bark
1/2 gallon peat
1/2 gallon perlite
4 tbsp lime (or gypsum in some cases)
1/4 cup CRF (if preferred)

I have seen advice that some highly organic (practically speaking - almost all container soils are highly organic) container soils are productive for up to 5 years or more. I disagree and will explain why if there is interest. Even if you were to substitute fir bark for pine bark in this recipe (and this recipe will long outlast any peat based soil) you should only expect a maximum of two to three years life before a repot is in order. Usually perennials, including trees (they're perennials too) should be repotted more frequently to insure they can grow at as close to their genetic potential within the limits of other cultural factors as possible. If a soil is desired that will retain structure for long periods, we need to look more to inorganic components. Some examples are crushed granite, fine stone, VERY coarse sand (see above - usually no smaller than BB size in containers, please), Haydite, lava rock (pumice), Turface, calcined DE, and others.

For long term (especially woody) plantings and houseplants, I use a superb soil that is extremely durable and structurally sound. The basic mix is equal parts of pine bark, Turface, and crushed granite.

The gritty mix:
1 part uncomposted screened pine or fir bark (1/8-1/4")
1 part screened Turface
1 part crushed Gran-I-Grit (grower size) or #2 cherrystone
1 Tbsp gypsum per gallon of soil (eliminate if your fertilizer has Ca)
CRF (if desired)

I use 1/8 -1/4 tsp Epsom salts (MgSO4) per gallon of fertilizer solution when I fertilize if the fertilizer does not contain Mg (check your fertilizer - if it is soluble, it is probable it does not contain Ca or Mg. If I am using my currently favored fertilizer (I use it on everything), Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro in the 9-3-6 formulation, and I don't use gypsum or Epsom salts in the fertilizer solution.

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Tyler,
Thanks for sharing the picture and Info... congrats.

I would agree that regardless of medium, maintaining the optimal moisture and temperature are the keys to successful rooting.

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Rich,
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinNJ,
Again, adding that stuff to my soil-less potting mix will increase its density.
That stuff is great for soggy baseball fields.

I am in no way insisting that you include Calcined Clay in your Super Mega Mix since we have no idea as to your ingredients. I've posted some of the proven potting mix recipes for growing figs. The 5-1-1 mix and Calcined Clay have been around and used successfully for years well before my introduction to Fig Culture.

Its not conjecture but documented that Calcined Clay will decrease density and compaction due to it aerating the potting mix or garden soil...  http://www.turface.com/sites/default/files/landscape_brochure.pdf

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Rich,
It may not apply to your Super Mega Mix but,

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinNJ,
No. Clay will not increase aeration in potting mix.
I have not seen any data saying it will.
It's a bad idea.


It addresses your comment in an earlier post about the merits of Turface (calcined clay).