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Subject: Urfa siyah fig Replies: 24
Posted By: SimonS Views: 444
 
Arcan 

No the problem is not the name Urfa! The problem is that you referred to cold blooded evil genocidal maniacs as "heroes".
But since you did bring up the name Calimyrna as a counter argument, allow me to comment. I am very well aware that Calimyrna is a combination of California and Smyrna. I find your argument hollow since Smyrna  (Ancient GreekΣμύρνη or Σμύρνα) was an Ancient Greek city and instead of countering my points, actually reinforces my arguments of your genocidal history. Where exactly are the hellenic inhabitants of Smyrna ???? they met the same fate as the rest of the millions living in Byzantium. Rescind your Christianity and Convert to Islam or be killed immediately at the hands of the people you call "heroes". My wife's great great great great grandfather was beheaded, yes beheaded by your so called "heroes" in the mid 19th century. He was murdered for being Christian at the entryway to the Church. That's a real martyr so don't dare refer to "all the Martyrs" as if real Martyrs and the evil Ottomans are somehow equal! your "heroes" seemed to be fond of beheading people just like ISIS. It is an open secret that the Jihadists recruits of ISIS, entered Syria on a red carpet laid out for them in Turkey.

Herein lies the difference between the civilized world and those who somehow want to shoe themselves into inclusion into the civilized world. There are genocidal maniacs that pretended to be Christian. As example, Hitler is believed to be from Christian and some Jewish blood. However, in spite of the fact that such monsters claimed to be "Christian", virtually all Christians refer to them as genocidal maniacs. By contrast, you call your Ottoman genocidal maniacs "heroes" and that is precisely what I objected to and not the silly argument about the name of the fig. You, like most of your people are in utter denial of the genocides your "heroes" committed and you are in your own words "proud" of them. Sounds very similar to how ISIS feels. Tell me exactly where did the millions of residents of Byzantium disappear to ???  Where exactly did the Christian residents of Urfa disappear to??? 

Your "heroes" in a relatively small geographic area massacred Greeks/Hellenics/ Byzantines, Armenians, Arabs (Both Christian and Moslems alike), Syrians / Syriacs, Assyrians, Druze and even fellow Moslems like Kurdish, Alevite Shiites and the Sufis (the most peaceful sect within Islam, like the flower bearing, tye dye shirt wearing hippies of Islam). Can you name just one other religion or race or creed that your "heroes" actually got along with and did not murder in wholesale numbers ????? ......... I am sure I will be waiting for a long time for the short list consisting on zero names 

When you finally stop referring to your Hitlers as "Heroes", there may be hope for rehabilitation, but until then you can forget it. And I am sure among Turks you are considered somewhat of a liberal

Subject: Urfa siyah fig Replies: 24
Posted By: SimonS Views: 444
 
Ercan...... A City of Heros ???

I hate to turn this into a political discussion but you should have left out your own political comments from the post in the first place. Since you chose not to, it begs a response. Lets examine the statements a bit closer   

1) Urfa was not occupied???

It Urfa was conquered repeatedly throughout history, and has been dominated by many civilizations, including the 
EblaAkkadiansSumeriansBabyloniansHittitesArmeniansHurri-Mitannis (Armeno-Aryans), AssyriansChaldeansMedesPersiansAncient Macedonians(under Alexander the Great), SeleucidsArameansOsrhoenesRomansSassanidsByzantines, and Crusaders.

2) City of heroes ??? More like city of murderers 

Age of Islam[edit]

Islam had first arrived in Urfa around 638 AD, when the region surrendered to the Rashidun army without resisting, and had become a significant presence under the Ayyubids (see: Saladin Ayubbi), Seljuks. In 1144, the Crusader state fell to the TurkishAbassid general Zengui, who had most of the Christian inhabitants slaughtered together with the Latin archbishop (see Siege of Edessa) and the subsequent Second Crusade failed to recapture the city.[7] Subsequently, Urfa was ruled by ZengidsAyyubidsSultanate of RumIlkhanidsMemluksAkkoyunlu and Safavids before Ottoman conquest in 1516.

Under the Ottomans Urfa was part (Sanjak) of the Aleppo Vilayet. The area became a centre of trade in cottonleather, and jewellery. There was a small but ancient Jewish community in Urfa,[8] with a population of about 1,000 by the 19th century.[9]Most of the Jews emigrated in 1896, fleeing the Hamidian massacres, and settling mainly in AleppoTiberias and Jerusalem. There were three Christian communities: SyriacArmenian, and Latin. According to Lord Kinross,[10] 8,000 Armenians were massacred in Urfa in 1895. The last Neo-Aramaic Christians left in 1924 and went to Aleppo (where they settled in a place that was later called Hay al-Suryan "The Syriac Quarter").[11]

First World War and after[edit]

In 1914 Urfa was estimated to have 75,000 inhabitants: 45,000 Muslims, 25,000 Armenians and 5,000 Syriac/Assyrian Christians. There was also a Jewish presence in the town.[citation needed] During the First World War, Urfa was a site of the Armenian and Assyrian Genocides, beginning in August 1915.[12] By the end of the war, the entire Christian population had been killed, had fled, or was in hiding.

The British occupation of the city of Urfa started de facto on 7 March 1919 and officially de jure as of 24 March 1919, and lasted until 30 October 1919. French forces took over the next day and lasted until 11 April 1920, when they were defeated by local resistance forces before the formal declaration of the Republic of Turkey on 23 April 1920).

The French retreat from the city of Urfa was conducted under an agreement reached between the occupying forces and the representatives of the local forces, commanded by Captain Ali Saip Bey assigned from Ankara. The withdrawal was meant to take place peacefully, but was disrupted by an ambush on the French units by irregular Turkish and Kurdish Muslim forces at the Şebeke Pass on the way to Syria, leading to 296 casualties among the French, and even more among the ambushers.

Maybe the figs from Urfa are growing well on the blood remnants of all the Christians' blood that your "heroes" massacred over the centuries.

The entirety of Turkey is built over the ashes of the longest lasting Christian Empire, Byzantium, which was taken over by outsiders from Turkic origins (as in Turkmenistan in central Asia). So next time you discuss "occupiers" "oppressors" and "enemies" , you need to be aware that those are the actual natives to that land. And while you are at it, stop supporting ISIS, Get the hell out of Syria, get the hell out of Kurdistan, leave the Armenians alone and admit and apologize for the genocides your "heroes" perpetrated            

I am disgusted that you have the audacity to call evil murderers "heroes" and somehow you think you can consider yourself a civilized nation worth of European Union membership. Huh! Distorted reality in desperate need of a reality check!!! Are ISIS fanatics also your heroes? 

Subject: pretty slick air layer video Replies: 10
Posted By: SimonS Views: 439
 
Nice video . Thanks for sharing 

Surprised he used that much rooting hormone. I guess there is no harm in generous application of it. As Sas said, peeling the skin will make this even more effective. The video emphasized the air layer be done over the "joint", so maybe by air layering at the joint, you don't have to peel. I will experiment with and without but sure seems simpler than what I was using      

Subject: Sand storage method of cuttings Replies: 7
Posted By: SimonS Views: 287
 
JDS France, Technically speaking, assuming you don't have a refrigerator dedicated to the cuttings, storing the cuttings in the fridge consumes no electricity and may actually save a little bit. the cuttings act as a cold capacitor to keep the fridge from getting little less warm  each time you open the door to get something. Of course either way the energy consumption is very small one way or another. But..... looking at the huge number of cuttings, I can understand why they are in the sand and not taking a whole shelve in the fridge       

Subject: A hard question for figgers Replies: 14
Posted By: SimonS Views: 544
 
For what its worth, here is my experience from starting cuttings outdoors (Northern California) starting in the early spring. i use foxfarm ocean forest soil as is. it has a small amount of perlite in it already but if i happen to have extra perlite around, i throw a couple of handfuls to increase in each small pot. i have had about an 80% success rate with roughly 20 cuttings and did not notice a correlation between length and thickness. i typically started 3/8" (~10 mm) to 5/8" cuttings that are at least 10" long (~25 cm). I believe success rate has more to do with how often you monitor the cuttings to make sure nothing dries out completely between waterings. this past spring i even started a 4 foot branch that was 1.5 inches diameter and encroaching on the sidewalk. it looked dead for about 3 months but then voila , came back to life and i have a 4 ft tree now. granted for the large branch it was only 1 data point 

Subject: Help Identifying Unique Fig Replies: 5
Posted By: SimonS Views: 151
 
Thank you Richie,

On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the flavor of a mature LSU Gold? 

Simon


Subject: Help Identifying Unique Fig Replies: 5
Posted By: SimonS Views: 151
 
Hi All 

I need help identifying a particular fig variety 

What is unique about this fig is the very squatty nature of the fruit about 2:1 ratio of width to height. This tree was planted last year  and the largest fruit I got off it is around 3" wide and 1.5" high (season just starting). Light green skin sometimes bordering on yellow and light pinkish flesh ( I suspect it will be amber if allowed to mature). I have only picked one fruit last week, a few days before maturity, because I was too anxious to know the taste and it was very good flavor for a 1 year old tree. Now I picked two more and again too early but this time because they are starting to split (i think it's time to stop watering the tree)  

I estimate the season / ripening will be September to October in Northern California Zone 9a/b  

The leaves start out as single lobe then as they grow become either 3 lobes or sometimes 5 lobes

One thing I did notice on this variety is that the branches are easy to break. you have to be very gentle to avoid breaking limbs and it seems much less tolerant to abuse compared to other fig varieties I have 

I received this from a Palestinian immigrant's family who unfortunately passed away a few years back and his family does not know the actual varietal name. He was from the Jerusalem / Ramallah region so most likely he brought it with him on one of the visits. He was an avid gardner growing unique plants and unique farm animals on a 5 acre parcel, so I suspect this is also a boutique fig variety   

That's pretty much all the clues I have and hopefully someone recognizes this. Any help identifying this variety would be greatly appreciated

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Subject: Fabric Pots vs plastic pots Replies: 4
Posted By: SimonS Views: 175
 
I want to report on my positive experience with fabric pots. The three figs in the photo were all planted this year. The tallest is now over 6 feet from the ground , the second is over 5 feet and the last is about 4 feet

I watter roughly every day but skip a day once in a while. I don't water heavily 30 seconds or so for each. I fertilize lightly every roughly 3 weeks. I rotate the plants a quarter turn or so every other day so they grow upright

From my personal experience it feels like the figs grow much faster in fabric pots than in plastic pots

These come in black and beige but the beige ones discolor and get some green mildew on the bottom ( there is one showing on the left) so now I only get the black ( probably still het mildew but it's not visible)

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Subject: Pingo De Mel Replies: 14
Posted By: SimonS Views: 352
 
Malik

That is absolutely fantastic looking fig (inside and out) and a perfectly healthy tree. It looks different than other pictures of Pingo De Mel, lighter yellow rather than green yellow on the outside and more amber / less red on the inside

I would love to get some a cutting of this cultivar if or when you have them available. I am in California so they don't always make it through. The climate here is probably a lot drier than Malaysia and colder in the winter (down to -5C a few times a year ~2 to 5 times). If any members have this cultivar and are closer, please PM or email

Thanks

Simon
 

Subject: Unk. Family Favorite vs Black Mission... Replies: 11
Posted By: SimonS Views: 266
 
Hello Armando,

Can you clarify which is which in the two pictures you posted. I have a super tasty fig like the one on the right in the first picture. It was labeled as white genoa by the nursery but that was clearly wrong description so I still don't know it real name. The vertical split is always my indication it is ready to pic and they are absolutely fantastic tasting
I am guessing its the same variety as the one you show
These pictures are from last year since they are still green and just starting to get some color now in the Bay Area 

Thanks 

Simon
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Subject: my fig is turning to yellow ! Replies: 20
Posted By: SimonS Views: 452
 
Hi Sami,

Looks to me like it may have dried out a bit because of the heat wave you mentioned. The ground does appear to be dry around it. I agree with the others who recommended using mulch inside the bucket and a little around it (I would keep mulch away and not too deep around the tree). This should keep the top layer moist even if you forgot to water promptly. Also, I would recommend a small moat just outside the bucket to keep the water from running too far 

btw, I have been meaning to write you to thank you for the excellent Khurtmani cuttings. It's hard to believe that in only 12 weeks, one of them is over 3 feet tall and carrying a bunch of figs on it. The second cutting was also quite successful but smaller (the hole I dug was a smaller for the smaller tree). This amazing tree is a testimony to t   he source (you know what I mean). Attached are pictures of both trees. As you can see, I have wood chips around both to avoid drying out in case I forget to water them, although they get a personal visit from me daily :)  
I cant wait till the figs mature 

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Khurtmani small.JPG 


Simon


Subject: Airlayer has figs! Will they grow when i cut? Replies: 28
Posted By: SimonS Views: 369
 
Thanks Tyro and Fignutty

The consensus is for me to be more patient, a trait that I admit to be lacking

@Tyro, Your comment is very counterintuitive but makes complete sense when I think about it: The energy to root is coming from the leaves downward as opposed to from the roots upward

Looking forward to seeing some roots in the coming weeks 

 

Subject: Airlayer has figs! Will they grow when i cut? Replies: 28
Posted By: SimonS Views: 369
 
I have a related question:

10 weeks ago I started an airlayer on a relatively thick branch (around 1" diameter). I completely removed the cambium around 1.5" long in the branch and used a rooting compound. Put a 1 liter bottle around it with good soil and moisture. It seems to remain moist and I only needed to add water twice and it got a little from the few rains that we've had in Northern California. Until two weeks ago, I still did not see any signs of roots developing at all. I slit cut the cambium almost all the way around with a razor blade a little below the air layer, hoping to encourage roots by depriving any nutrition somehow still going through ..... It did not help and I still don't see any roots. A few days ago, I went more drastic and cut deep V notches ~3/8" , all the way around the branch just below the air layer. I expected the branch to either grow roots, or to die off for lack of Nutrition. What is really weird is that I am getting neither of these. The branch still looks healthy so I am completely perplexed what is happening.

This is by far the thickest branch I tried to air layer or root. It was starting to encroach on the sidewalk so I had to remove it anyway so I tried to take a chance with air layer.

Do the experts on the board recommend waiting for roots or should I just cut it and plant it in a large pot and pray for roots

Subject: Figs and pomegranates, two great partners! Replies: 66
Posted By: SimonS Views: 1,152
 
Pomegranates and Figs go perfectly together. In fact I have a narrow and long strip of land 2ft x 16 ft that has 2 fig trees on the ends and 2 pomegranates trees in the middle. A bit crowded (this is California so a house lot is the size of a postage stamp) but worth it. All are extremely low maintenance and all produce in abundance. The pomegranates (starting in the spring to the end of November) always produce several shoots from the base (some slightly below ground). The easiest and sure way to propagate the pomegranates is to cut one of the base shoots with a bit of root. even with a tiny sliver of root they seem to survive well 100% success so far 3/3.

Pomegranates are naturally a bush not a tree. If you want it to grow and look like a tree, you have to keep cutting the many shoots and branches in the lower section and this allows the dominant or in my case 2 dominant verticals to get really strong and appear like a tree

By the way, i never fertilize either the figs nor the pomegranates. I used to water them twice a week but due to the drought i cut back to once a week last summer and I think the crop actually increased on both. They both started producing some fruits in the 4th year but started producing more heavily after 6 years. The soil where these are planted is horrible (very hard compressed clay) but this area gets plenty of sun. My recommendation is to pick the sunniest part of the yard