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Subject: Large fig trees for sale at garden centers trained to grow improperly Replies: 30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fignutty
If a tall skinny 15 gal fig costs $160. .......



This picture is from figgi11
http://files.websitetoolbox.com/30989/2909506

Recently, Home Depot, Walmart and several other nurseries in Dallas Texas have been selling this size of fig trees (Texas Everbearing , Alma, Brown Turkey, Celeste, Black Italian, LSU Gold) for only $22.50 each

I bought several of them for rootstocks .  

I like bushy fig trees instead of tall ones . Bushy trees are like bonsai if you trim them down at dormant time . They will produce reachable figs that you can enjoy . Oh yes, I do not need a lot of fruits, just 20 figs for each tree so I can eat fresh and make fig jam for my winter time .
Imagine how many figs you will have if you multiply 20 by 200 trees ----> 4,000 figs a year to eat !!!!
A bonsai tree does not occupy a lot of space in your greenhouse

Unless you have 20 acres of land, no problem for tall and large trees .
Yesterday I visited a lady friend who has 4 tall big trees in her backyard ----> 1 fig tree, 1 Asian persimmon, 1 loquat, 1 jujube . All of them are loaded with fruits .
She complained that she never had a chance to eat those fruits in the past because the squirrels ate them all !!! Since the trees are so tall and so large, it is impossible for her to cover them with net . So her trees are just for shade ...

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Can someone identify its variety by chance, or too early ?

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by torontofig
... 
the thick stems help you save a few years to grow from baby tree. :)


Good bonsai projects ! that is what I have in my head now  

Subject: Who is Ebay seller valarie1582? Replies: 25
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I have bought several things from Valerie before and I was always happy with this seller

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Thanks, barnafig, for the video. I do speak French so I understand it well, however IMO to dig a hole like that is way too much for me . Using a small pot is simpler and easier to move the tree everywhere you wanted .

My plan is to move all of them to more than 2000 miles away with a U-Haul box truck. I know that the road will be not smooth, but bumpy . I will manage to take them with me wherever I go .... in a very near future



Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 

Whatever you said, whatever you called, here is up to date (03/22/2016)


There was a total of 5 huge cuttings, about 8' - 12' high, 2.5" - 3.2" diameter, and 2 smaller size , 5' high and 1" diameter. Cuttings were rooting around Thanksgiving time 2015 
Foil tin balls were done a few days later using air layering method .  Total of 9 foil tin balls for 7 trunks 
Winter time . Indoor. Temp 65 F - 70 F . Light : 4 T16 neon/24 hours. Fan 6 hours/day
Rooting hormone : Hormodin 2
Medium :  Moisture Control Soil .
Pot : 5 G  

As of today, the below pictures show that a previous huge cutting is no longer ... a cutting, but 2 standing trees linked together in 1 pot . The whole thing was recently moved to outside for fresh air and for more growth .

Pictures of 1 trunk
Above the foil tin ball 



Below the foil tin part 


Upper and lower parts




What are in the tin foil ball ?






Base part




Bottom (before the tree was moved to outdoor)





Story :
Thursday : Found tree for sale on Craigslist around Thanksgiving 2015 inside a back yard . Seller stated that the tree was 10 years old. Variety : Celeste . Only access was a 40" x 6' wooden gate 

Friday : Seller wanted the whole tree to be gone no later than Sunday afternoon . Started to remove all small limbs . More than 850 cuttings (4 nods each) collected and a truck load of different size limbs..

Saturday : Discover that tree was not 10 years old as seller stated
7 big trunks were standing on a huge stump hidden under layers of dry leaves and grass mulches
No way to dig the whole tree out in one piece . Have to cut off all the trunks down in order to get out of the gate

Sunday : Stump was 3'6" wide . Use saw-all to remove all the roots sticking out the stump (2' circumference)  , 1' deep then divided it into 4 sections . Sliced each section with a long blade . Broke 4 blades and could not go deeper.
Finally got the job done by 4:00 pm  .

Saved 1 slice of hard wood for experimental purpose and get rid of all the rest ( a pickup load of broken roots!)

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lolita1234


Grant,
Thank you for the picture that you just posted 
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I will look for an old fig tree in Europe and sit under its branches ( no foliage at this time of the year) to pray . Yes, the truth will set me free ... and NOTHING can make me tremble 







In forums, I just joked around about fig hunting (because people in these forums are just interested about figs, nothing else) but deep down in my heart, my trip to Europe was seriously a pilgrimage to pray for the return of someone important to my life who was kidnapped ...

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The owner of this hat is somewhere but his spirit is here with me  .
It looks like the hat is in a giant palm of the fig God...
May God bless us !




"Oh my gosh Mai. That old fig looks like an ancient Ganesha god still living on this earth.  A remover of obstacles.   Jodi"

Yes, Jodi . I believe in divinity as I have said many times before . You can LOL about my superstition , but I do believe that all trees (that survive over 100 years on earth) have their God.

Yes, Jodi, I did sit under that tree, and most importantly I DID HUG THAT FIG TREE of the Ship at Dunwich

Hugging a 400 year old tree ? yes, maybe I am the only one who did that so far ...
I honor it and  I respect all the old trees .




Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreas


..... you are confusing people 
...........
you get 2 plants and taste the fruit from it this season. best of luck.





both of us are confusing people hehehe because a rooted cutting with trunk more than 1" in diameter is no longer a PLANT but a TREE

Just kidding hehehe   

No more kidding in my part ./.

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
bamafig,
It is an unknown variety so far . The previous owner of the tree said it was a Celeste, but by the description of the fruit from her son, it does not sound a Celeste to me . I will find out when the fruits come out from the cuttings (hopefully) this coming summer .

Regarding your other questions, I am still in discovering phases .....  and I am not in a position to tell people what to do yet until I study more about the case and when I am 100% sure about what/how I got the ... amazed results, I will

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Observe another pot (there are 5 total)




Open the foil


Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance
Hi lolita1234,

A branch cut from a tree is a cutting and no longer a tree. So you are rooting a cutting - call it semantics .




You are correct, jdsfrance, I was rooting a Huge cutting some time between Thanksgiving and Christmas 2015



Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance
Hi lolita1234,

Now, are you sure that you have roots in the pot ?




Yes, I am sure that there are roots in the pot . Please see the pictures below  






As of today Saturday March 05, 2016



Upper part, above the tin foil ball



Bottom part



Some roots do show on the surface of the pot 




Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance


Because they are still linked together, you may get roots everywhere but in the pot (see* below). But the bottom part will be fed by the other roots.
...................
...........................

(*) Old wood is harder to root. I once had a tree that I could take cuttings of, but quickly (before it got bulldozed ). But it was left with the scaffold branches only (other people, or the former owner had taken all rootable branches) and the ones I took did not make it...



My cutting was not linked to another tree or any other cutting, except that I tied it to a post so it could not be knocked over since it was high and unbalanced in a 5 G pot .
You can see that my cutting does not have  roots everywhere . Just from where I wanted them to be . In this case, only roots at the tin foil ball and at the bottom end (in the pot)

Old wood is harder to root as you quoted, I used to think that way too . But now since I saw the result, I can say that (what we thought before)  is not true



Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance

.............

Sometimes when throwing trimming/cuttings to the ground or when burying part of an attached branch, I get roots in the middle of the cutting and at the former top, but not at the former bottom.



You did not get roots at the former bottom because you did not root the cutting . You threw the trimming/cuttings in the ground and let the nature did the rest . Whatever you got was just purely luck, not your work 

I can figure out why you did not get roots at the former bottom 
You did not bury the whole thing .
The buried part and the middle of the cutting and the former top got rooted because they got the humidity they needed to root . The former bottom was too dry to root


Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance
Hi lolita1234,

Now the problem you have is that if you want to separate those cuttings, you'll have to saw them and that will shake the tree ... and may brake the roots. you'll be creating a serious wound too on both of the "new trees".
In such a case, IMO, it is best to cut them to smaller cuttings and root each one individually.




Thanks for your suggestions, but it is too late to do so .
Anyway, I agree that the saw-all blade will make the roots both in the ball and in the pot fall apart, but that is not an issue for me to worry.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsfrance
..... you'll be creating a serious wound too on both of the "new trees".




Not at all . I love my work . I am able to bring them back as trees once the temp outside is stable . They will be happy new trees

  



Folks,
There is no arrogance as accused . This is a debate     
 








Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 

This is one of the branches with several ... tin foil balls .  They were done 30 minutes after the branch was buried in 5 G pot for rooting

 
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Les bonbons de figue (French) ----> The fig candies (English) ---> Keo Sung (Vietnamese)





the bottom end in a pot




One of several air layers

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A few days ago, through the window, I saw that the trunk of this branch was sprouting 




I walked into the atrium where all the rooting cuttings were located
Below the tin foil ball, another leaf bud




I opened the tin foil ball. Amazing ! This must be a joke ! I could not believe my eyes .  




Close up



A HUGE cutting roots at the bottom end and the air layer also roots in winter time !
This is not a joke, this is reality ...


Thank you for watching





Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 

recomer20 and starch,
I appreciate your input

smatthew and andreas,
This is figs 4 fun, so I am having fun with my fig stories . When I am going to give away my humble ideas , people should give me air to breathe and time to organize my thoughts . When I am digging my phone to upload pictures to photobucket , I started the topic because I am so excited with new discovery     

I am slow . Give me time . Be patient .
Of course I appreciate all the answers and maybe I am wrong to call a rooting ball  (in the middle of a cutting) an air layer  hehehe , because I could not find any other better word  . I agree that my vocabulary in English is limited but at least I manage to express my ideas in a way that people can figure out what I am talking about . If you are in my shoes with Vietnamese , I bet that you will have same problem .   
 
Nowhere I could find roots when I played with a huge branch.
Is it true that a branch with no roots, no leaves ---> a cutting ? 
Is a branch freshly cut down (in dormant state) be considered as a live branch or a dead one ?
1) If it is considered as a live one (cutting with some vital sign), then a person who performs an air laying process at a particular area of that branch ----> what is the appropriate word for that part ?
 An air layer process ---> not just cover a particular part of the trunk with some medium . An air layer process is more than that    
2) Else, no way to do anything except for trying to root the bottom end with misery ...   


I ask myself, should I quit playing ???

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Definitely not to brag but to share with people interesting things that just happened . Things that i could not believe my own eyes !

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
How to root a cutting successfully---> I have demonstrated the art of bag rooting in this forum , so I do know the meaning of CUTTING
Regarding air laying , I think I also know the art and meaning of AIR LAYING

Some citrus air layers












Ask questions first and answer later is my style when I start a new topic



Rooting and air laying a cutting at the same time sounds weird to people, because it is  something new , not written in any book before . But nothing is impossible .

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Thank you cyberfarmer, pitangadiego and waynea for your input . 

My third question :
Can a huge (or a small size with 4,5,6 nods)  cutting be rooted and air layered at the same time ? 


Huge : trunk about 2 - 3" diameter, 5' or more in height  

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,194
 
Thank you, mnedelcu

My next question : Can you air layer a cutting ?

Some of you might already saw some of my pictures before, but please tell me what do you think that air laying a cutting is possible or impossible

Subject: Can a HUGE cutting be rooted ? Replies: 32
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Introduction :
I am back to business with good intention . YES and ALWAYS ...

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 


I have developed this bag technique since 2007 , and I would like to share some of the pictures of my work

 
Hundreds of the plumeria cuttings were stacked on the shelves in garage during winter time




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Hundreds of them were moved to the light in another area when the cuttings start to leaf out
In a 10 x 10 room, you can root more than 5,000 cuttings . You hang them in baskets , you stack them on step ladders. You put them on tables, the tallest first then the smaller on top of the bags (of the previous ones)  and so on ....  the smallest on the very top ---> layers of rooting bags . You also make layers on the floor too ....

  

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During winter time it will break your back to move all the 35, 45, 55 G pots to the shelter  . You can remove the trees out of their pots , trim the root ball as much as you can and BAG THEM UP ! No watering during winter time, just poke some holes for some air.
I can assure you that the trees will not die . Believe me . Figs are tough . The trees will rest in their bag about 45 days then start to produce new tiny roots . And so on ... until Spring arrives, then pot them up so they can thrive to their fullest force.  




   
If I am not an expert in bag rooting, how could I be able to answer all people's questions ????



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With this picture you can see how the soil is . What I mean by dry is this dry . NO WATER SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE BAG OF SOIL THAT YOU HAVE FRESHLY BOUGHT FROM THE STORE  


If you readers follow my instructions exactly as I have posted, your chance of success is very high. If you make any modification, you might not get the result as expected


Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Thanks, Steve for the link . Through it, I read some info saying that the picture was taken in June 2010 . From that date to the present time, it is less than 6 years.
If you look back the pictures that I have posted before, you can see a huge difference in growth and in size between the fig tree in the link (1) and the one I saw recently (2). Especially number 1 does not have this part

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Not only one but a few trunks like that around the base of the tree. How in 6 years, can additional fallen trunks grow with so many nods (bumps) exactly like the ones of the  main trunk  ???? Is that something strange ?


Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Dave, i never saw what Jon did before. I did not get my bagging method idea from Jon or anybody else. I joined this forum sometime in September and i did not have time to read everything in this forum or other forum. I even do not know who Jon is and what his nick is ! Same thing with the other forum
My bagging method started since 2007 with plumeria, and at the time noone did the bag rooting.

So if Jon did come up with the idea of bag rooting, that is just an interesting coincidence, i guess

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
What do you need to be informed in this thread ???? Who do you think you are to demand me to ask for your permission when i am giving away my time and sharing my knowledge to people ? If you want to destroy this thread because of your narrow mind, then you are doing a wrong thing to the public. My bagging method has drawn more than 3,600 viewers at ourfigs and almost 2000 viewers at this forum
Are you having some psycho problems ???

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukfigsteve
Hi Mai,

The only exception, like you said earlier is people from warmer countries bringing scion wood of local varieties from the Mediterranean region etc, but it's not easy to identify varieties,

Steve



Oh, you are a Londoner ! and you are probably a fig collector ? 
Did you ever try to grow a piece of that Dunwich fig tree in order to identify its variety  ?
By the time I was there, young shoots were everywhere in the back yard . Since the tree was so so so big, it is very hard for the pub to keep pruning it in a regular basis  .
 

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhymehong
Hi Mai Mai, I do have a problem after following your method. All the cuttings have been soaked in water more than 2 days. After bagging them, I open the big bag for a few minutes every two days. There's mist in the big bag and small soil bags as well. However the cuttings seem drying out. Here are some pics attached. There were several cuttings which had little leaf out but now all wilted. I don't understand did I make it too wet or too dry? Thank you for your advice!



Hi rhymehong,
I kept thinking about your case overnight and tried to figure out the problems .
Were your cuttings fresh when you bagged them ?

If the soil is dry (that is okay) but the cutting is not fresh then the cutting is not able to breath normally -----> condensation will be very poor causing low humidity ---->  cutting is struggling to root  
If the cutting is able to leaf out but due to low humidity ---> leaves wilt

As I can see now your cuttings are very dehydrated . Please take the cutting out of the small bag to observe the condition of the cutting at its bottom end .

If it becomes soft or mushy (it can be, due to being in the closed bag too long without getting any air--> suffocation), you cut off that part until you reach the hard part .
Else, you scratch the stem to see if it is still green or not ----? Yes ? ---> there is hope
No ? then the cutting is gone

I hope that your cuttings are still green because they are still in dormant state . However, they might be very dehydrated for some reasons that we do not know .


Since the cuttings are very dehydrated , if I soak them in water (room temperature) the cuttings are like pieces of dry wood, it will take them a long  time to absorb the water by themselves . Same thing will happen if you try to root them with different methods . The chance will be 20-50 % or it will take an eternity for them to be back to life

If I am in your shoes , I will do something (that might scare you or others) like this ---> I will take a tall cup of water, microwave it for 1 minute . The water will be hot hot but touchable,not boiling water. Immerse all the cuttings in that hot water to wake them up . Along the way, they will absorb the water faster 

After that initial try, the next day you turn the cutting up side down (tip down, bottom up) and let it stay in that position for 6 hours . Then turn it again back to its normal position . You will see that the tip turns green with a happy face . 
Why we have to do that ? (question first, answer next hehehe, that is my way (trademark ?) LOL  
Just because the dry cutting is like a very dehydrated person ----> so dehydrated that he/she could not do a thing !
Yes, the cutting does need your help
Change the water - room temperature- every 2 days until you see some white bumps , then bag them up again .
I can assure you that the hot water wont kill the cuttings)


That is what I can think that far . It is up to you to decide .
Good luck to you . May God bless your good heart ...
Mai


Note : this hot water treatment should be used with dehydrated cuttings only, not for cuttings that have been stored in plastic bags for a certain period of time

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackfoot
I find it hard to believe that someone would plant a fig tree that had bad tasting fruits 400 years ago. More likely, it is as you say, that it needs  a warmer and longer growing season. ...


That is my guess . Actually nobody knows for sure about its true age and nobody has any idea why the fruit did not ripen . 
The museum next door has some info regarding the harbor that used to be there and some items left after the coast wiped out the whole village .


 






Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackfoot

I any case, to me a cutting of a 400 year old fig tree has great interest. And to think nobody really knows, if grown under the right conditions if the fig is a good tasting fig is almost crazy. We want a fig because it comes from a famous movie, but we don't want one that it took many different peoples lifetimes to protect and keep alive? And we just don't know....




There was a pile of branches nearby the tree. I guess (!) that the pub would welcome anyone to come and take these branches away so they do not have to burn or dump them hehehe  
I broke some of the branches, the inside was still green .... 




Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukfigsteve
Hi Mai,

I've been reading your fig journey in London with interest, as I work here ...




Hi Steve,
 You work in London or at the Ship of Dunwich ?

Someone said that nearby the Ship Of Dunwich there is another fig tree but I did walk around the neighborhood and found no big fig tree at all ! Maybe I walked in the wrong direction ? 

Last Thanksgiving I happened to buy a 10 yo fig tree and the previous owner wanted me to dig all the roots out . I threw away a lot of roots, but still keep some for observation .
To my surprise recently one root shoots out a fig plant ! So I think of the fig at TSOD . If it has been there for 400 years or more or less (nobody knows exactely the number), its roots would crawl all over the places for miles and might end up shooting up some fig trees in the area  ????  

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennesseefig
I like the fact that your method seems to do well while you are out of town. What's the longest you left your cuttings unattended?


Tennesseefig,
my rooted cuttings were home alone for 16 days without my attention .
When I was back, some of the roots were overgrown and turned brown . That is fine . Today it is 72 F at my town, so I bring them outside and plant them in 1 G pots

Will post pictures tomorrow

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhymehong
Hi Mai Mai, I do have a problem after following your method. All the cuttings have been soaked in water more than 2 days. After bagging them, I open the big bag for a few minutes every two days. There's mist in the big bag and small soil bags as well. However the cuttings seem drying out. Here are some pics attached. There were several cuttings which had little leaf out but now all wilted. I don't understand did I make it too wet or too dry? Thank you for your advice!


If the cuttings get that dry, it means that humidity is somehow not enough . The leaves get wilted for same reason . 
I keep reminding people that disturbance is number 1 killer . Maybe you open the bag too often or too long ????

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Johnparav,
You should respect all the people who are coming to this thread for their needs .    

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Your bags look great, Mohan !
Your success is my joy .
I am happy today , and I keep counting my blessings from the Fig God (see my Atavar ?) .
Write to me if anyone has a problem with my bagging techniques. I will do by best to analyze the situation to help

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the info on the Chelsea fig tree by the Thames River .. Thompson-Morgan is selling the tree very cheap . I hope that my tree (in London) will bear fruits the coming summer .   

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Sorry, Don, if you did not add any water .
I am wondering how humidity is that high because you said earlier that " most of the humidity seemed to be rising "
It can only happen when soil is too wet, or temp is too high
When humidity is high, you will see drops of water (from condensation) running down the zip bag sides .
 
To remove those excessive water, take a newspaper and fold it into layers
 
 
 
Insert that paper inside the bag as shown in the picture below.
 
 

(never mind what is in the bag, I just take something to show how to insert the newspaper in the bag)
 
 
 
The newspaper will absorb quickly all the water and become wet. Get rid of it and insert another one . The second sheets of paper might get wet too but less than the previous one . That is fine 
That way the stem wont be mushy

Mold only happen when the cutting or part of it is dead

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_sanders
.... I'll probably end up adding over a gallon of water to my bag to get it "moist."



This is the result :


Quote:
Originally Posted by don_sanders;n72672
I tried to follow everything but I must be missing something. I put paper around the bottom but perhaps not enough. Maybe that was one of the keys. Most of the moisture seemed to be rising. They were receiving light through the window and I had added more holes to lower the humidity.

I went ahead and tried checking a couple of the vigorous rooters. I didn't notice any progress. In the end, I went ahead and moved them all to moss.

3% look like they started to root but those roots dried up. 6% rotted but I think those were bad cuttings to begin with. The rest didn't seem to have any changes. No initials or roots yet even with the clonex.

I don't think I gave it long enough to really test this method but I don't want these to fail while I figure this out. I'll have to give it a try again when I have some spare cuttings.





Conclusion :
Your soil was too wet when you bagged the cuttings !
When you just bought the bag of soil from the store to your home, it is ready to use for bagging . If you add more water, you make it ... wet . By adding 1 G of water to the bag, your judgment of moisture is .... incorrect .
Your cuttings wont root if the soil is wet. Fig does not like wet feet



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Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sbmohan
Hello Mai, Thanks for posting the bag rooting technique. I was very skeptical and hesitant to try out your technique, but decided to try it out. I tried 4 of my cuttings following your method and all of the 4 rooted in about 4 weeks and they are now starting to push buds. It is 5th week now. I tried doing it on a larger batch, and this time, just 10 days into the process most of them are starting to push buds but no visible sign of roots. Is this normal since the first batch I tried leafed out after the roots were formed, while the second batch is already leafing out with in 10 days? Should I worry or just let them do their thing and give them more time? One subtle difference is, the first batch was soaked in water for about 8 hours, while the second batch got a soak for about 13 hours. I left them longer before I bagged them. Any advice will be very helpful. Sincerely appreciate any feedback you can provide. Regards, Mohan from NC.



Hello Mohan B,
different variety acts different way .
10 days is too early to judge . Please give them more time and they will root . Remember that the first 4 cuttings rooted in/about 4 weeks . if too much humidity happens, then use a toothpick to punch 2,3  more holes.   

Keep in mind that disturbance is number 1 killer . So please do not open the outside bag often when the rooting process is going on ...

Subject: Nero Di Terlizzi Replies: 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liza
I look forward to  the up date. Thank you



Hi, Liza !

Here is mine . Too early to tell !







Will show you picture when it will get ripe sometime between August and September  

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanmercieca
Here are places with fig trees in London. I do not have the time to do a full research, yet this should help





Hi Alan,
I appreciate very much your giving me 23 locations of fig trees in the London area.
At first I did plan to visit some of the places but a local resident told me that almost all of them were Brown Turkey, so I felt discouraged a little bit. Secondary it was very hard for a visitor to run around a big city with buses and tubs to reach all the destinations  It would take a whole year to do that !    I am keeping your list and any time I have an opportunity to go to London, I will try one at a time ...

BTW I did find some Greek varieties in London . One is Varzanta/Varsanata tree owned by George A. He gave me a  map and directions how to get to his tree but since I already have that variety at home, I did not go to ... look at the tree actually because I did not have time . The fruit is very large , almost as big as an apple . But I do not know how does it taste . My tree is bearing some figlets now, maybe I will have a chance to taste the fruit in summer time . I am growing 2 types side by side in pots , so I will observe the difference between Varsana and Varsanata if they happen to be different varieties or ???

One of my air layers




Close up






There is a Cyprus type of fig in the Heathrow airport area. The tree was quite big and accordingly to the owner , the fruit is one of the largest fig in the world (?) . She said that her grandmother brought a cutting from Cyprus long time ago. Taste ? I dunno  . Hope they should be good, otherwise why they brought with them something that was not worth to grow ? I believe this one is the same as the Varzanta  
 

There is another fig tree nearby, Nero de Terlizzi, brought into UK by a Greek immigrant as a cutting . But the owner said the mother tree was originally from Italy . The fruits bear a shape of an eggplant (hello Grant of S Carolina !) . I have no idea so far, but there is a link about something similar :

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Nero-Di-Terlizzi-6102572

This was how the owner described her Nero de Terlizzi ;
The figs are large they fit in your palm 
They are green purple outside
And are pink purple white inside
They are Italian origin 

The way she described sound like same as Varzanta also !!!! Headache ! I better plant all of them side by side so I will have a chance to compare ! truly headache ...   




Varsanta3.jpg  These pictures belong to George A. of UK . The Varzanta fruit is in the middle . The other 2 are Brown Turkey

Varsanta5.jpg 

George A. instructions to his tree location :
....the nearest tube station is 7 sisters then walk upstairs ...........................street once you are out cross over the street to lidl superstore and turn right ....... street walk about 50 meters and turn left then right and it will lead you to ........ road .....corner house with garage. please text me what time you are coming
george 07.....06 house number 02.....192
 




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In London somewhere by the Thames River there is a fig tree named Chelsea .I did not have a chance to go there, but Chelsea fig trees can be bought at Thompson-Morgan  nursery .
My daughter got one and the Chelsea tree is planted in her backyard in 15 G pot size (Central London) . 

   http://www.thompson-morgan.com/fruit/fruit-trees/fig-trees/fig-chelsea-standard/t56489TM


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Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
An espalier fig tree in London



I don't know the variety of this fig tree because the tag did not say much . This tree was 10 years old . When I came , a gardener was pruning the tree . There were a whole bunch of shoots at the base that he cut all off . The wheelbarrow got filled very fast . He welcomed  me to take as many as I could because he would dump everything .  Again, I look at the wheelbarrow and could not move my hand to reach the long cuttings . There was absolutely a battle inside of me . I had to swallow my craving needs and walked away . . .  in pain . The fruits should be good, otherwise why could it stay there for that long . Nobody wants to raise a tree that produces bad taste fruits, isn't true ?     



If you show up at fig trees from November to February anywhere you would be able to get plenty of fig cuttings for free because it is the pruning period . 

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Hello folks !

Now I can sit down and write more about the trip 

London weather was very nice during the whole time I was there . Not hot, not cold, not wet and not foggy . Just perfect .
My grandkids and I had great time running in Regent Park . It was winter time so all the big trees look same to us . No leaves. Just bare branches and their trunk was very tall . They all were sleeping, we guessed. How to know which one is a fig tree ????
Gardeners were busy replanting rose bushes, so many of them ! In another area, gardeners were busy with loads of tulip bulbs , and we were also busy helping them, so much fun that we forgot about ... fig hunting ! By the time a lady told us that there was a fig tree (a Brown Turkey) near the zoo, my youngest grandson felt tired , he just wanted to go home . Well, Brown Turkey ? We have plenty of them in the US, so it was okay to go home for dinner ..... 

I did see a number of fig friends in London and we exchanged some cuttings . But most of my cuttings were used as gifts to relatives whenever I happened to meet them .  On my way to see a lady who owns a small fig nursery, I got lost for a while , but luckily I found her home before dark. Wow, her back yard was full of fig trees and citrus (I noticed that many UK nurseries carry citrus trees for sale ), all kinds, all sizes, you name it . She has a number of very interesting varieties . They were very reasonably priced and the trees available for sale were in good size  . I especially liked the Chinese yellow fig variety but the lady said that she just got it not long ago. She also had a yellow French type fig . Name of the variety ? Just Yellow French ! 
Of course I wished I could buy all IF I could bring them home  .... Helas !
Liza, her name, drove me to another place where she stored more fig trees . Yes, just figs, nothing else . Her trees were very healthy . I happened to know that she used to own an orchard in Portugal and she knows Mr. Pons well .

One thing that I did learn from Liza is how to make tag plates . I usually bought metal tags on Ebay hopefully they would stay forever. But I was wrong. If it rains hard and consecutively in 2 weeks, the tag got soaked and split apart (manufacturers place a piece of cardboard inside of 2 thin aluminum sheets then press the whole thing together) . Figgyfrank cut metal soft drink cans to make tags (hello Frank !) . This will last an eternity, however the edges are too sharp . Liza's are from plastic milk containers. You just clean the jugs and recycle them by cutting them into the size you want and punch a hole for each tag. This is cheapest, safest and will last forever too . I really like the idea .

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
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How my fragile rooted cuttings survived when I was out of the country more than 2 weeks ?

They all are potted and stayed in bags as shown below    

 

I used umbrella or florist bags that give my plants more space to grow and plenty of humidity needed . The advantages of using these bags are you can hang them anywhere without worrying about watering them daily .






The bag on the right holds a cutting that has been buried in sand. You can see trace of sand on the stem . I was hurried at the time because I had to pack my luggage to fly away the next day , so I had no time to remove that sand




More pictures to come



Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
8 years ago I used to make cloners for sale on Ebay, but since I found out that the bagging method (that is used to root plumeria and other stuff back in 2007) was faster, cheaper, cleaner, less space involved  I decided to get rid off all of the cloners . I still have whole bunch of pumps and hydroponic accessories that I packed them in 3 huge boxes when I moved to Oregon in August 2015












My old time










Subject: Clone your cuttings & never see gnats! Replies: 400
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 9,300
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynmatty
I hope someone can talk me off the bridge right now, hopefully Dennis can chime in with all his expertise ;) Or others who have experience similar to the pictures below.

I am 1 day short of 3 weeks in the cloner and still have no roots growing but a good amount of leaf growth going for almost all the cuttings. I'm just getting nervous that i'm going to lose all that beautiful top growth due to no roots. I'm contemplating putting some of the cuttings into the coir bag method that worked well for me to save these cuttings. I have it on a timer 15on/15off, I'm keeping the lights on it 24/7 now until i get root growth, then will transition to 18on/6off.

Should i keep it in cloner???? It looks like i got a lot of root primordia on the cuttings - but they are browning. Not sure if thats providing nutrients to the foliage in the meantime.

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My suggestion is you should bag them up and they will root very fast instead of soaking them in that water . Of course they will root in the cloner (50/50 chance) ---> they might also be rot being soaking way too long . That is my 2 cents

Subject: Show us your setup! Replies: 69
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,527
 
Isaac,
My light stays 24 hours a day but I do spray my plants with water every day and water the pots every week

Subject: Show us your setup! Replies: 69
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,527
 
Wow , you guys all have fantastic setup !


This is for winter 2016
Mine is very simple , the old way, but it works if you keep the temp constant to 60 F
I do not have a refrigerator for plants, only for food .
Here is in my atrium 10x10 with 4 T16 neon lights and 1 fan . Since the space is very limited and the cuttings are numerous, I manage to raise my thousands of cuttings in different ways .

Group propagation

Variety : Kadota 
Stick as many cuttings as you can in a large black pot, filled 2/3 with Moisture control soil. Water well . No cover. Nothing. Once you see the soil is dry, water .





About a month later. Water once a week 



Variety : Buckingham
Same thing, but on moist sand instead of soil
Stick the cuttings into sand. Cover the whole thing with a clear plastic bag ( so you can see what happen inside). Leave them alone . Do nothing 




Within 2 weeks, through the plastic, you see they are sprouting
Through

When they have 4 leaves, take each one out, trim the roots and group them again in 1 G pot, this time with Moisture control soil . Water well .
The leaves will drop due to changing media and environment 

 

But 2 weeks later, they will leaf again 




For small scale , here is an example : Just stick the cuttings in the soil and keep the soil moist but not wet .






Hi Aaron,
We meet here :
5 plants in one tiny pot




Hi Coop,
You read my mind here , but yours is well built. Mine is okay because I am no carpenter .
In one room. Under T16 light and a fan

Please do not laugh at me ! See how I tie the light to the wood ? You can move the light up or down  





Guess how many they are ? 30 total
At an angle next to the window



Under the same light



Grafted scion is leafing ! The air layer next to it does nothing yet 





Subject: I’ve won Genovese Nero and Ponte Tresta or Black Madeira or Italian 258 Replies: 31
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,158
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chauqg
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ANGRY THAT YOUR INVESTMENT IN Ponte Tresa is loosing its' value with every cutting or tree that is not sold by you.

No wonder you are trying to keep good people for buying or selling Ponte Treas.  I understand clearly, you are loosing sales!  I have not seen you generously gift or auction any of your figs, cuttings or trees.....Give it a try you might feel better about yourself.Mai, do you find this bragging disgusting too?  Or is it slightly acceptable since maybe you have not invested in CCD Gris?



Sorry, Chuck !. Up to date I did not sell any fig cutting/tree to anyone anywhere, so your argument or judgment was not valid . I think you lost your mind


I am trying to stop people from buying/selling PT cutting for a good reason for themselves, not for me . I am serving the community an excellent job that I am very proud of my action . In return I was offering to sell cheap ( or give away for free if needed) of all my PT cuttings or TC in the near future if the TC is successful

If you are with ourfigs , you would know that I have given away one PT cutting to a winner of my contest . AND I have contributed 2 times to ourfigs by buying their auctions , paying more than the auction price .  I did contribute to ourfigs . I am a member of both forums but I cannot stand the fact that you come here to damage the image of the forum where you are also a member
Should have a fair play, young man !


Yes, your recent post is disgusting too . 


Subject: I’ve won Genovese Nero and Ponte Tresta or Black Madeira or Italian 258 Replies: 31
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 1,158
 
Congrats ! But somehow i found this thread disgusting ...
Chuck, you should enjoy your winning in ourfigs instead of coming here to brag about ourfigs benefits...

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
One of the place that I had in mind to visit (when I am in London) is the Ship At Dunwich where a 300 year old Fig tree is located . 
By searching in the Internet, I thought that TSAD is not very far from Central London and easy to find .But I was wrong , the more I went deep into the info, the more I felt frustrated (taxi cost would be almost $450.00 round trip, 10 times more than a round trip flight ticket from London to Spain !!!) to take a tub then 2 trains, then a cab . But once I determine to do something, I will never give up .     


My daughter wanted me to be home the same day for a family dinner . Well, I woke up at 3 :00 am , have all maps printed and got ready to be a ... gypsy on the road ! LOL 
Why that early when the whole town was still sleeping ? Well, this was the first time I was using the tub (underground transit) by myself , so I was not sure I could hop in and out the tub/train as fast as a Londoner. Better have plenty of time ...

I left London at 5:30 am . It was cold but dry. The Portland Street Station was almost empty and strangely quiet . It was cold, yes, but I felt good . I sat on a bench waiting for the train (?) , nobody around . Isn't romantic ?

Go East 6 stops to London Liverpoll station . Take train to Ipswich Station then swicth to another train to Darsham . 3 hours trip . That was supposed to be . 
  
On a train heading Darsham in the beautiful Suffolk countryside , I was busy taking pictures of myself (selfie)


When the train arrived Darsham Station, somehow I could not open the door . So the train brought me all the way to Norwich (last station) then finally on its way back to London, it dropped me at Darsham . The one way trip cost me 5 hours !!!! 

Arrive Darsham at 10:30 am








From the train station to the Pub "The Ship At Dunwich" I had to order a cab because no way that I could walk 5 miles away . The taxi brought me into a very narrow road that zigzagged like a serpent and dropped me at an intersection ( taxi fare was GBP 23.00 ). 



From that intersection, I could see the Pub 
  

The front side


Next door was a museum . A museum told you the history of the place where I was going to explore  


Once upon a time there was a village at this location with a busy harbor. Many ships from other countries came here , and merchandise were imported to England, including fig tree . Somehow the coast ravaged this part of the country and the whole village disappeared. The Fig tree survived and is still growing every year . Its true age is FOUR HUNDRED years, not 300 as mentioned somewhere in this forum . The picture in the Internet was outdated . 


I entered the Pub . There were several rustic tables and chairs . A couple were sitting at a corner sipping coffee . They were from France, visiting the area , like me .  I sat down at another corner waiting for services . No one showed up . I stepped inside looking for a waiter . An old guy greeted me at a hall , telling me that everyone was busy in the kitchen and "you are welcome to have a drink in the Pub" . Me drinking at that time of the day ? No way . I asked if I could go to the backyard to see a fig tree. The old man led me to the backyard 

Another sitting area :




Into the backyard  
 .  

There were several picnic tables and chairs outdoors . The whole backyard was not very big as I expected. At a corner on the left side a huge fig tree could be seen next to the back of the building . (I think the place is not only served as a Pub, but also a motel for visitors who want to stay there to go to the beach nearby) . A small fence was built around the Fig tree 

General view :



On the ground nearby the tree, there were piles of freshly cut branches laying around, stem still green . I asked the man if I could take some . he said "Sure, they will be firewood anyway ..."  . My problem is I dont know how to bring them into the States ... 



A partial trunk on the ground 

   


Another partial trunk crawling on the ground




The main trunks








Another angle of the fig tree




After taking some pictures of the Fig tree, i went back to the Pub . Met a young man who worked at the place . He said that the Fig tree was 400 years old not 300 . It did bear fruits but the fruits never get ripen . As he knew, they kept it because it protected the Pub building from the coastal winds and also because it did look good, something that attracts tourists every year . 

I felt so hungry but the waitress said that lunch was not ready until 12:00 noon . I walked around and met several neighbors . Nobody seemed to care about that fig tree because they said that the tree was useless since the fruits were always green and dropped . I thought maybe this fig tree might need a warmer/long summer for the fruits to get ripen . Asking about its variety, the answers were always " Dunno" "Who cares" . 
For me I do care ....
A fellow on FB recently said there was another huge fig tree across the Pub . I walked the whole neighborhood , saw no big fig tree, except one small one (on Blysthburg street)  that bears some breba (s) from a small tree , about 3 years old . It looked like a Brunswick to me .


At 11:30 am, I went back to the Pub, hopefully to have a big meal, but helas , the kitchen was not ready for food yet . 
I decided to call a taxi to bring me somewhere to eat . He driver dropped me off at Darsham Nurseries, not very far from the train station . There I met Kevin (Calvin???) who showed me some fig trees available for sale . They were Brown Turkey, Celeste and Brunswick . Of course I am not interested because I already have all of these varieties at home . I talked with him about the fig tree at TSAD. He said he was there 2 years ago and confirmed that he saw its fruits .

I had a very nice lunch at Darsham Nurseries : Pigeon with burned onions/buckwheat sauce 








Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
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Moonvil,
Thank you for your input . If I am not allowed to be freely express myself in this thread, then ..... end of the story ./.

Subject: Bag Rooting Techniques Replies: 108
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 4,081
 
Be careful with the water . Better dry than wet  

Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
Please identify this fig :

A family friend in London gave me 2 cuttings of this fig without a name, just a picture of it  


Subject: Fig adventure in Europe Replies: 79
Posted By: lolita1234 Views: 2,494
 
alan,
Thank you so much for the info . I wish I can drive in London !I will try my best to go to those places