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Subject: is ischia or green ischia /strawberry verte the same tree ?? Replies: 9
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I have "Ischia" labeled figs that are in reality White Marseilles from Wally World last summer and some from another source that do not look like the White Marseilles so I have hopes. I have seen figs labeled Green Ischia and simply Ischia. Don't know what the difference is if there is any. Just starting some Strawberry Verte so time will tell what I have. I know I will be getting rid of some White Marseilles as I have 6 now! So the mystery remains until I get crops from all.

Subject: In praise of unknowns Replies: 3
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Being new to rooting cutting last year I set out on a new adventure of rooting fig cutting indoors with homemade LED growing shelves I had built to grow strawberries indoors the previous year. I am a reader and proud of that fact, so to research a new project I spent many hours reading about rooting methods. I tried many and found what worked for me and am now confident in getting an 80-90% success rate.

To not go broke I also looked at where to get inexpensive cutting to learn what works for me. But the purpose of this post is to make others aware of the wonderful world of "unknowns". I have also become good at creating unknowns by losing tags on cuttings!

On Ebay you will currently find several real deals on cuttings on such gems as "Louisiana Brown", "Louisiana Yellow", "Ashland Unknown" and I have some I have named such as "Irish Bayou Yellow" (New Orleans) and many others. You can also find bundles of 20 or more cutting of the more common Celeste and Brown Turkey figs. So in reality you can find cutting for less than $1.00 a cutting. After all the failures I had in learning what works for me and my environment I still have probably 25 unknown plants now. 

So what do you do with your "experiments"? Sell them in your local newspapers or online listings for $5 each picked up. Give them away, I have a fondness for Celeste figs from childhood so I like to give them to friends and neighbors because I know at least in the mid and Gulf south they will be great performers and tasty figs. If you offer free trees to your friends and neighbors it is good to offer to help select a location and plant the tree you will get more takers. Many people have had bad experiences planting things and getting them to grow before so help will go a long way in spreading the wealth!

As to selling the plants and shipping them I am not sure there will be much of a market for unknowns or the more common types to make it worth the time and effort to ship. Become "johnny" fig tree and plant them in common areas like powerline easements, along rivers and streams.  

The real purpose of learning how to root figs is to enable you to propagate the more expensive and rare figs without going broke. But experiment to find what works for you and I am sure you will find a simple method that suits you.  But I caution you it is addicting to hatch your own and baby them into productive trees so you will find yourself with lots of "babies" to find homes for. 

Random things I have found

The method of planting the whole cutting does produce better first year plants in growth but my success rate was only about 30% either indoors or out. So that was a no go for me.

Rooting cuttings outdoors was about 50% successful for me. The constant changes in temperature and moisture levels were the problem.

Indoors works best for me as it is a constant routine, controlled temp, humidity, light and watering is the key here for me.

Rooting hormones did not to my eyes make a difference with my cuttings.

Yes, I have fought the little flies, and fought and fought......and finally turned to chemical warfare. Once every two weeks a very diluted liquid Sevin is added to the water/fertilizer mix. As they are years away from fruit production any residue will be long gone. This is also what I used in my garden for my Raspberries and Blackberries to combat the grubs and root eater that will devour plants in E. TN by pouring a Sevin solution on the root areas in the spring. There are many organic methods available but I did not find any as easy or effective for me another one of the many things we have to deal with when you do cuttings.

There is no right or wrong way to root cuttings, what works for one may not work so well for others, so if you are new to this make friends with the "unknowns" and learn what works for you then pass them along and maybe make new fig nuts! 




Subject: Rooting cuttings in pan vs 3 cup system Replies: 5
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I have tried the pan method and cups and many others. For me the success rate was much higher in the cups. However, the pan cuttings that did grow developed more vegetative growth during the season than the cups but the rate of success was 1 in 4, 25% as opposed to more like 90% in cups. So who knows, I think there are so many ways to root figs because our individual environments may favor certain methods. I root cuttings indoors at a constant 75 degrees under 12 hours per day LED lamps in humid East TN. I use two transparent cups with one a dome until I have good leaf growth. I feel blessed that I usually get 90% or better now that I have my soil and soilless mixes and watering down to a constant routine. You must find out what works for you then perfect it, try all of the ways you can.....one will stand out for you!

Subject: figs Replies: 20
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The site administrator needs to delete some of the older pics ......or take up a collection to purchase more space or maybe free cloud storage?

Subject: Curious bout a seller on eBay Replies: 12
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My VDB's from Houstonantique appear to be all Brown Turkey. Could be why he is no longer a "member". None of the cuttings bought appear to be what they claimed......wrong leaves, all appear to be BT at this point.  And no way to complain! They are part of the reason I believe at least 25% of my fig collection is not what I bought. I bought I think 6 sets of cuttings from them.....all the same!

Subject: Fig depression Replies: 9
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Must be great to have SURPLUS figs........I wish!

Subject: Fig depression Replies: 9
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I have exactly 3 figs left before the depression sets in. There is nothing in the world like a ripe fig fresh off of the tree. So my one LSU Gold and two Petite Negra will be savored and 8 months of fond memories of this years crop will be recalled. My fig failures will be cataloged and the severe drought we had in East TN will be cursed for the multitude of dropped figs from my Celeste. 

I now get to make decisions on what will go into the ground this fall and to build a shelter for the 50 or so juvenile figs to winter over in. My garden has been pruned except for the figs. My Celeste will produce 15-20 nice cuttings. My in ground Brown Turkey will be replaced with I am thinking a White Marseilles. The BT has not thrived and actually is less than 3 feet tall 2 foot wide in it's third year in the ground but my Celeste is about 7 ft tall and a 8 foot spread. Same size, 1 gal at planting but the BT is just not happy here. It will be planted in an easement behind the house for the critters if it does grow.

I will fill the winter rooting my fig trimmings and growing strawberries indoors......

So has your fig depression started yet? 

Subject: Early growth leaf shapes Replies: 7
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Thanks........I have always been experimental and I wondered why the leaf changes occur and how it happens. So I have my answers although the only real value to this forum is that these changes are a natural defense/survival mechanism that can warn a grower of stress in a plant. The part that interested me the most was proving my theory that growing two plants from a single branch would show normal leaves from tip growth but the stress type leaves from new node growth. And that is what happened.  Even further thought showed more new tip leaves and less leaves in new growth. However by eye the square inches of leaf area were about equal after about 4 weeks. So one way or another a fig cutting will put what it needs out in leaves. Many fingered or less heart shaped leaves but same surface area. Smart plants!

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
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Please do not delete this thread there is much good info here, all it needed was a warning to people to not take wiring lightly. My friend was a long time family friend, we called her "Coonie" short for "coon ass" or "cajun". She died due to a bad DIY wiring job by her husband. He wired the pump for a small in ground goldfish pond in their yard. But he wired the neutral to the switch and the hot direct to the pump. So she had switched it off when she was cleaning the pond but somehow in moving the pump touched the hot wire.  

As to the project let us know how it works out. There are several sources for overstocked and discontinued DC power supplies. I am sure we could find some that are DIY safe for others to use. As to your fan get a 12V and add a resistor and run it on the power supply for the lamps. Get me the specs on the fan and I will tell you what value resistor you will need if you want to save on another power supply. The LED matrix is what is important......are they truly 1 Watt LED's or over driven 1/2 Watt devices? Even if they are 1/2 W devices a single resistor would reduce the drive to provide a very long life. You will simply have to use two of them for 100W. $13 for a TRUE 100W white LED is still dirt cheap and should provide about 80 Lumens per watt so 8000 lumens. That is the equivalent of ten 40Watt incandescent lamps  but 1/4 of the electricity to power it. So keep up the thread a let us all gain from your experience. 

Subject: Early growth leaf shapes Replies: 7
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This is what I believe also. I moved a VdB out from lights to a shade them semi-shade and I have 18 inches of normal 5 fingers leaves but the top 4 leaves are just like yours...almost heart shaped. Maximum light gathering for the stress. I find plants amazing in the things they do......especially figs.

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
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Brandon.....A "driver" is functionally the same as a "ballast". It provides the correct voltage and current for the device. A fluorescent lamp "ballast" provides a high AC voltage and low current to drive the lamp and LEDs require a low DC Voltage and high current to drive them.  The home type LED lamps have the driver built in the lamp. The "dimmable" LED types use a more expensive driver which is why they cost more.

I prefer LEDs to fluorescent lamps due to the lethal voltages that they require in a damp environment like grow lights. Just my personal preference but then I have been fried once or twice in my career! And did not like it! Please be carefull with DIY projects using lethal voltages. Even 120vac household current will kill you, I lost a very dear friend to 120 vac house current. 

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
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SCfigFanatic........There is no such thing as a 100W LED, 100W lamps use many LEDs. The device on this post is a 10x10 matrix of 100 individual white LEDs according to the listing. On top of that each "white" LED has three LEDs inside. One each red, green and blue. So the device in this post actually contains 300 LEDs. LED are low voltage devices, typically 1.2 volts....so a white will require 3.6 volts to light the three inside the "white" LEDs. 

If life like my previously experience they used 1/2 Watt LEDs driven at 1 watt they will also have a short life.  Hence the high failure rate. This listing does not say which Chips are being used so it is a gamble until someone tries them out. As I stated these MAY actually be legit.......but my experience in electronic (40 years teaching Electronics, writing training courses and videos before retiring along with building custom amps and speakers.) has been that cheap Chinese electronics uses the least expensive parts and out of tolerance parts. Not to say that ALL chinese Electronics are bad...Apple, Samsung  and such are a different level than theses lamps. But keep in mind the Samsungs that have been discontinued due to flames in the past week. Why? The batteries were made in China........ junk! Over rated and overcharged they shorted and caught fire......they were specially made so Samsung had to discontinue the the phone as no batteries were available to replace the junk they bought! The Chinese rate their batteries as 300-400% over capacities. If you buy one of the external phone batteries you will find when you open the case the battery is nowhere near the advertised capacity.  A 5000 mah rating will have a 1200 mah battery in the large case. All kind of videos on the net showing this. And Samsung will lose they are guessing 600 million on bad Chinese product quality. I could go on for a long time about the Chinese electronics market.....we attempted to have some products made for us from multiple merchants........what we got was junk samples.....nowhere close to what we specified from the six companies we tried. 

LEDs are rated at an average power level. A 1/2 W LED will run for is normal life at 1/2 W. If you pulse it on and off for a 50% duty cycle(half the time on and half off) you can run it at a 1 Watt level. It can also be pulsed at a very high level briefly. Think of the flash on your phone. The chips on the lamps I purchased are type 5730.....1/2 W chips. The lamps use 18 and the Chinese rate the lamp as 18 watts. Again the answer to the short life. So without knowing what chip the device on this post uses it is a gamble that you will actually get what you pay for. The simple fact they do not tell you is suspicious. The Chinese also rate their batteries as 300-400% over capacities. If you buy one of the external phone batteries you will find when you open the the battery is nowhere near the advertised capacity.  All kind of videos on the net showing this.

Per their website Cree LEDs are made in the USA, packaging the LEDs is done at the China Huizhou plant wholly owned by Cree.  But if you price a Cree 1W LED you will pay several bucks each so how can the Chinese sell lamps with 18 of these chips, a built in driver and packaged to fit a standard base socket at $2.24 shipped per lamp?  Easy if they use out of spec junk Chinese LEDs.


 The 5730 chips in the two types of cheap lamps I purchased were Chinese made 5730 chips. I do not doubt the LEDs were good but it you run an incandescent lamp rated at 120vac 100 Watts at 240vac 200 Watts how long do you think it will work? 



I hope these LED lamps work as advertised. But I will wait to see what happens before sending more money to China for more junk. I will not use ANY Chinese components in our handmade tube type audio amps,  I will not risk our reputation on junk parts. Extensive testing has shown Chinese parts in general seldom meet specs. We only purchase NOS US made products for our tube amps which include the tubes, transformers and capacitors. Precision resistors we are forced to use Taiwanese  products. 

If it is obscenely cheap and Chinese in general STAY AWAY! Chinese business ethics are non existent......it is a seemingly normal business practice to first attempt to shaft a customer but if you battle long enough they will comply with your standards. And their excuses are the same every time.....their suppliers screwed them with bad parts........I just have better things to do than fight tooth and nail to get what I paid for.



Subject: On this forum! Do you know "Justfigs" Giacomo Calabrese? Replies: 34
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Liquid Sevin mix to normal mix....soak the cutting about 1 hour should take care of them. Soak in clean water after to remove the remainder. I use this every fall and spring to kill the grubs of many pests in my berry patch. I  Pour 1 Gal on each root clump for Blackberries and Raspberries never had a problem with my figs or Cherry trees. But have lost lots of berry plants......... 

Personally I would burn them to insure I do not end up bringing problems in. The cost of the cuttings is not worth the chance of harmful eggs getting loose.  I have enough pests already.

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
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My experience with the Chinese LED lamps is longevity....very bad. Several reasons for this. First is they "overdrive" the LED. LED's have several power ratings. These chip types in the lamps I bought were rated at 1/2 watts continuous use and 1 watt peak. When driven at peak power the average life goes down. I purchased 2 types 20 of each and less that 20 are fully functional 6 months later. The second is the quality of construction of the drivers, cheap capacitors failed.   Who knows mabe the Chinese stuff is getting better. My fig cuttings and Alpine Strawberry seedlings show NO difference in growth with the RED/BLUE LED's and the cheap HD 40 Cool White lamps. And only 1 in about 50 of those have failed.

Can't wait to see how it goes, I want more light!

Subject: dormancy or grow lights??? Replies: 38
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The question comes down to lumens per watt and initial costs. The 40w equivalent lamps produce 94 lumens per watt. Cost of $2.00 would be 24 cents per watt. 1000W of LED lamps would require 118 lamps and produce 94,400 lumens! Cost of lamps would be $236 plus $175 in lampholders. 

I use 30 for about 14 x 1 foot of shelves. 255w times 10 hours a day times 30 days is 76.5Kw per month. Rate here is .07817 per kw hour so cost to run 24K lumens for a month is $6.00 and initial investment was under $500. If you are doing citrus I would guess you would need lots more light. All I do is root figs and grow some Alpine strawberries. I do mine in the house so the small amount of heat is not a problem. Plus an inexpensive timer ($10) will handle the load. So for my used the goal was met.....shelves and fixtures will last for years. Lamp life has been only 1 failure in the 30 lamps plus the other 10 or so in light fixtures around the house.

BTW, I have Cara Cara and Valencia oranges in 3 gal. pots that have oranges I pollinated last winters indoors starting to ripen now! Too much trouble to do it again and too large now for me to deal with. Good luck with your indoor adventure!

Subject: dormancy or grow lights??? Replies: 38
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In a nutshell the biggest problem is reliability followed by cost and in my plant shelves compared to cool white LED lamps showed no growth difference in tests I did. I purchased 24 of the A19 base (normal home light socket) red/blue LED lamps for the test. I am not condemning all red/blue LED type lamps I am sure there are high quality products available. My goal was to find the easiest and less expensive option. Of the initial 24 lamps I have 10 still working with about 4 months use, at varying levels of intensity. These were ordered online from China and took 4-6 weeks to get here. I ordered from 2 different suppliers as I was under the impression it was different lamps, no, they were the same. They are also way over rated as to light levels and even power consumption. That is the reason they die quickly. These lamps use LEDs that are rated from the manufacture at half what the lamp maker drives them at, hence they burn out quickly. Of the 48 home type lamps all purchased from Lowes only one has failed and the cost was less than 1/2 of the red/blue.

Here is the secret of LED lamps. There is no such thing as a "white" LED. A "white" LED is a combination of red/blue/green LED's in a single package. So when you buy a "white" home LED lamp it is supplying the same wave lengths of blue and red light as the specialized ones. The market for the red/blue large lamps is the indoor marijuana market. It may be the case that this combination works well in that application but in fig cuttings and Alpine strawberries in very controlled experiments showed ZERO difference in leaf or root growth. 

These are what I used....the white 40w equivalent LED lamp provides 800 lumens and I paid as low as $1.00 a bulb on sale! I use about 2 per sq ft. 10 of these for about $15 plus the sockets at $1.50 each plus wire and a $5.00 timer will give you 8000 lumens of light for a 1 x 5 foot shelf. The great thing about LED lamps is their efficiency. The 40w equivalent lamp uses only 8.5 watts of power.  So ten will cost less that a 100w old type bulb to run and they produce only about 1/4 the heat level. 

Sorry server will not accept pics right now. Look at this to see my shelves and lamps

 Please help- growing figs indoors! Specifically- LIGHT BULBS :/



Subject: eBay Scammer Alert Replies: 26
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Most Ebay sellers are honest people, I had an Ebay store for years. Some people on Ebay sell fig cuttings that have been honestly labeled with what the seller thought or was told what is was.  In reality I have been "scammed" by Lowes, WalMart, Home Depot and several local and online nurseries. Do I think I have been intentionally scammed all these times? No, I think they were all taken by their suppliers who were taken by their suppliers of starter plants or cuttings.  Buying figs ANYWHERE is a gamble, I am pretty sure about 25-33% of the figs I have purchased in the last 2 years were not what I bought. I don't buy expensive trees or cuttings. I like to experiment with rooting techniques and give away many plants. So I tend to buy inexpensive cuttings and unknowns often.  I would if I desired the more esoteric and highly acclaimed varieties purchase them from a forum member that I feel has a better knowledge of the types.

I believe a blanket condemnation of Ebay sellers that are not Forum members is over the top. And the opposite is also true, what prevents someone from joining a forum and selling fakes. So what will be after that? Don't buy unless they have been an active poster for how long?

Instead of blanket condemnation what we need is a folder where we can post good/bad transactions for easy reference rather than all the "has anyone bought from?" posts. Please do not rule out common varieties on Ebay out of hand. Many folks are just trying to pick up a few bucks from a tree in their yard, not make a fig collector's life miserable. Just my 2 cents worth.......
 

 



Subject: Early growth leaf shapes Replies: 7
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I did another test of my theory and will post the pics. I used two 10 inch clippings with already formed leaf tips in green. I cut these in half and this is the result. These plant pairs are from the same branch, top and bottom.

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The plant on the left is the top of one branch with pre-formed green buds. You can see the typical 5 finger leaves of a Lil Miss Figgie. The one on the right was from new node growth. Notice that the right plant has first leaves being round and the newer ones a broader shape.

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The second cutting had the same results.


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Again left is tip growth and right is node growth.

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So, although this may not interest others as it does me it does demonstrate a warning sign for your plants. If you notice new growth with leaves with more surface area the plant is under some type of duress and responding by growing leaves that capture more light. I see this often when moving my cutting outside after grow lights. 

The leaves in their shall we say "embryonic" tip growth stage were formed when the plant was not under duress like rooting so the DNA was in place for a normal shaped leaf. New node growth had a new DNA specifying a different leaf shape for maximum chlorophyll production to spur vigorous growth. After established the plant will revert back to its normal leaf type. Amazing that plants have this defence mechanism.


Subject: dormancy or grow lights??? Replies: 38
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In general I let the larger figs plants go dormant. But I keep the smaller new starts under the LED lamped growing shelves I built. As to moving them outside you cannot simply stick them in the Sun. The Sun puts out a much broader light spectrum than LED white lamps. This includes both UV and infrared light. This is what will cook an indoor plant if moved directly to full sun. Mine go to full shade for a week then to about 1/3 sun......slowly moving until after about 3 weeks they are in full Sun. All of my rootings are under indoor lamps. Yes you will battle the gnats but it just takes a little effort to get 4-5 months of growth on the new plants. 

Very efficient LED growing shelves can be made fairly inexpensively using big box materials. And stay away from the red/blue LED lamps!   

Subject: Is this Black Bethlehem? Replies: 12
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These went into pots on 9/9/19........sent six cuttings all doing well. 3 small ones went in one pot.  Don't know for sure if they are BB but I feel somewhat reassured with the LSU Ag folks around.

Found this from 2011 so I would say it has been long enough for cutting to start appearing.  

Black Bethlehem

 

A Trees of Joy introduction!

I collected this fig from a Greek Neighborhood in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The figs were ripe in early August. Excellent tasting fig, and super sweet. The tree is left unprotected in winter, and despite the cold it survives and produces a mid season crop.



It appears to me she cuts them the day she ships and as stated all from this order and from a previous order of Celeste's all rooted quickly. The pics below in the clear container show how quickly the roots developed.

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Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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Wow, those leaves look huge and shaped like my Celeste in TN!

Subject: Is this Black Bethlehem? Replies: 12
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I ordered the Celeste from them a while back.........good cuttings and excellent price. I also recently ordered the "Bethlehem Black".  Looking at their history they probably found access to a Celeste tree or had one in their yard and found there are crazy people that actually buy chunks of trees!  They then added it to the used clothing they were selling. When the listing came up for the BB I ordered it to see what I would get. I don't think this is a scam place......the prices are too low and the scam Ebay places I have experienced have many types of rare and expensive cuttings. If this is a scam why would they pick an oddball like this? Looks like a person trying to pick up some extra money.....as to are they "real" BB's, what is a real one? Any dark fig someone found in Bethlehem, PA? You have to really search for info on this fig.......if this was a scam I think they would have used a more expensive type of fig and many of them. A jump from used kids clothes to fig scammer is a big jump. 

The only question is where did they get them from and how do they know what they are. At the price I gambled. To be sure there are fig cuttings and tree sellers that do not sell what they advertise, on learning more about figs and looking a my many cuttings it is obvious this is a problem all over. Yesterday I did an inventory and believe that a good 25% of my figs are not what they were sold as. So before buying I try to do some due diligence and check out a seller.  I have 3 LSU Purple fig trees all bought from nationally recognized nurseries.....with 2 different leaf types!Only one has produced figs and they were brown not purple. I have 2 VDB's with distinctly different leaf types. My Celeste in the ground is producing almost a light brown fruit and has different leaves from the Celestes I grew up with. So in a nutshell getting what you pay for is a gamble anywhere you buy figs. I have 3 from a big box store that are not what the tag says.

In this case I don't think this is a scam, and I doubt they even have the ability to know for sure these are BB cuttings but are relying on info from others or a plant tag. I will know if the are a black fig soon enough......and we all know it did not grow from some hybrid seed in Bethlehem, PA. Sooner or later someone will discover the other names this fig goes by.  Other than the nursery that claims to have discovered the BB I can't find another source other than Ebay sellers.  As I said, all fig purchases are a risk.......but 12 cuttings for $14 ($1.17 each) delivered does not sound like some person getting rich on $150 fake trees.

And having had an Ebay store for years I have seen that many people just do not have the ability to do their own photography so stock pics and cut and paste are common even in printed catalogs and online Nurseries. I still see photos I did 10 years ago Ebay stores. It is just easier for some. Photographs do not prove the origin of the cuttings nor do most Ebayers have the time and patience to take pic of trees bearing fruit just to make a few buck on Ebay. So these things do not automatically reject a seller from me, there are many,many honest sellers that know zip about the products they sell especially figs! Just my 2 cents...........It does at least give me a bunch of cutting to experiment with cheaply!

Subject: Anyone else preorder the "Rare Fig Assortment " from Baker Creek? Replies: 50
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Wow, I guess I am glad I missed that. Must have meant 1 Tablespoon.....don't think I would put more than that!

Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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The figs look large for a Celeste. Brown Turkey maybe?

Subject: Rust Replies: 2
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From LSU Ag Center



"Fig rust, caused by the fungus Cerotelium fici (formerly Physopella fici), is the most common disease of figs in Louisiana and the Gulf Coast region of the southeastern U.S. Fig rust occurs only on the leaves and does not affect the fruit directly.
Rust generally develops late in the summer, and in years when disease is severe, it can cause the trees to defoliate in a matter of a few weeks. If this happens on a regular basis, the overall growth of the trees can be reduced and yields can be affected. Another consequence of defoliation is that if it occurs early in the summer, the trees will put out new growth that is then at risk of being damaged by early frosts. On the other hand, if defoliation occurs in the fall, the trees may go dormant earlier than usual, which then protects them from early frosts.

Initially, symptoms of fig rust are visible as small, yellowish spots on the upper surface of the leaves. As these spots (or lesions) grow larger, they turn a reddish-brown color but remain relatively smooth. On the lower surface of the leaf, the lesions are a reddish-brown color and have a slightly raised, blister-like appearance. Heavily infected leaves often turn yellow or brown, particularly around the edges, and drop prematurely.

Since there are no fungicides registered for use on edible figs in Louisiana, the management of this disease relies solely on the use of cultural practices, such as raking up and destroying infected leaves and selective pruning of the tree to increase airflow through the canopy, which promotes more rapid drying of the foliage. However, even these practices only offer marginal control of the disease."


I recently went on a trip and had someone water my plants for me.....a disaster! The end result was sick plants devastated by Rust. He thought the easy way was to sit in a chair and just spray them like rain for 45 minutes every evening. As can be expected the Rust fungus went crazy. All plants survived but it gave me an insight to what is most and least susceptible to Rust in my area. I will give a list at the bottom. First some pics.





20160917_135627.jpg The Brown Turkey in the ground was completely striped of leaves but is recovering.

20160917_135206.jpg The Black Italian was not affected at all.

20160917_135030.jpg 20160917_135037.jpg 20160917_135043.jpg  This shows the front and back of a leaf affected by Rust.

20160917_135350.jpg A tree that was only mildly affected.

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20160917_135235.jpg  This is how close the plants are together yet again some not affected and some striped.

20160917_135132.jpg This Petite Negra was striped but the figs continue to ripen, this guy is 16" high the big purple fig is silver dollar size and still not ripe. This plant stays small but the fruits are large! Some sites claim the PN is the same as a VDB.....no way!


Now the list

The two inground figs I have are the Brown Turkey which was completely  denuded but the Celeste lost only 25% of its leaves.

The plants in pots that were NOT affected or very lightly were the Black Italian, Lsu Purple and Gold, Little Ruby and Little Miss Figgie.

Medium damage was White Marseilles, Ischia Green, Celeste.

Denuded completely was VDB, Olympian, Texas Everbearing, Ischia Green, Hardy Chicago, Panache, Petite Negra, Conadria, Yellow Long Neck and Brown Turkey.

The 15 or so juvenile plants located on my deck did not get the daily late afternoon hosedown and none show any sign of Rust.

What does this mean? Well I think it gives you an idea what will have the least problems with rust and I find it interesting that the Celeste showed some damage but the two figs developed by LSU from the Celeste show almost none. 

Well at least you know more about Rust now!


Subject: Anyone else preorder the "Rare Fig Assortment " from Baker Creek? Replies: 50
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I purchased 2 sets (6 plants) and on 5/23 received 2 White Marseilles, one VDB, Ischia and Olympian also one unmarked that did not make it .....I overwatered it. Transplanted to the large 1 lb. plastic Coffee containers and full Sun as soon as they adapted. The VDB and Ischia are over 2 foot tall now in only 4 months. The 2 WM's and Oly are multi-branched and 1 foot tall and 1 1/2 foot wide. They all started at 3-4 inches tall! I purchased (on sale) 3 plants/$13 delivered so the 5 still alive cost me $5.20 each. All healthy and the Ischia I just pinched back at 2 feet! So I am impressed. As to the "rare" part I suspect that they are comparing it to what you will find locally or big box stores.  I had to beg my local Nursery to get me LSU figs and choices for others rather than Brown Turkey, when they ordered my LSU Gold they ordered 6 and last I was there they had only 2 left. I am now WM heavy.....6 total! I have had good luck with Wellsprings and Hirt's also. When you can get a well rooted fig plant delivered for under $10 I feel like that is a deal for the beginner that is not ready or not having luck with cuttings to start a collection.

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Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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The leaves on my tree are the 5 finger type with a long fat tips on the middle finger. The "sheepshead" type leaf is what I remember on our Celeste trees growing up. My Celeste in TN leaves looks like an LSU Tiger, White Marseilles, Black Italian and VDB. It was special ordered from my local nursery and I just removed the tag this spring. I have some juvenile Improved Celestes but too young to tell what their leaves are like. I wonder if their leaves are fingered? Looking on the internet for pics I see both leaf types on different trees labeled Celeste. 

Bluns55...your leaves are what I remember in New Orleans. And your fruit looks just like mine. How large is your tree?

Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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SAS....I find the difference in the leaves interesting as I have seen both leaf types on pics of Celeste trees on the internet. So does that mean Celeste grown in cooler climates have both fruit and leaf changes I wonder? 

Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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I should have put something in the leaves pic to show the size....they are huge....the middle finger is 8-10 inches long  from the stem. Giant leaves and fruit that in less than 1 inch in diameter.  But oh so good. It is producing ripe figs and new figlets right now. Loves it's surroundings and growing like a weed. Three 2 inch trunks 18 months in the ground. 

Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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Subject: The mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 21
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Well I have had one a day for a while but today I snagged three. They could have used another day but I will be gone for a few days so today was showtime. The tree is in its second year in the ground from a 1 gallon pot.

I grew up with two large 12 ft high by 15 wide 50 year old Celeste trees and that is the fig all others are judged by when I taste them. 

I would love to tell you a story about the lost tree over two rickety foot bridges in the backwoods of Appalachia that was rescued with the help of a long lost 3rd cousin bribing the landowner while he held a double barrel shotgun on us flatlanders.....

But in reality mine is a Celeste from a TN nursery growing in the foothills of the Smokies. The figs from a Celeste here in E. TN (and I have seen several with one being a 40 years old Celeste) tends to be smaller than what I had in New Orleans and also much lighter in color. The taste is typical Celeste, sweet, slightly figgie taste and almost no seed crunch. So, is it a Celeste or has it morphed into the mythical Tennessee Mountain Fig? I feel they are one and the same. We saw low teens last winter and my Celeste lost no branches. I think the drier air and lower night time temps cause the fruit to be slightly different.

How do these compare to Celeste figs at other locations? If you have some let me know or post some pics so we can compare....thanks!

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Subject: Early growth leaf shapes Replies: 7
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I would venture a guess that at the cellular level the loss of certain chemicals supplied by the roots would trigger the immediate spurt of the pre-formed normal leaves on the tips and also triggers the formation of the "stress" leaves at the nodes. I bet O'Rourke At LSU could have told us for sure.

I think it is kind of like so called "seed leafs" on other plants. The first leaves from a seed seldom look like the second set of leaves.........



Subject: Early growth leaf shapes Replies: 7
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In my learning and studying growing figs I have noticed that fig plants sometime switch leaf shapes to a rounded or heart shape. As the pics below show, the change appears to be brought on at stress point in the plants life.

I have seen cutting from the same tree at the same time show initial leaves that are totally different.  


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These tiny tip cuttings are all Little Miss Figgie's from the same tree, same time, same everything. Notice the two different leaf shapes. 

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Notice also that the "finger" leaves are on the tips and the "round" are new buds from the nodes.

20160909_105023.jpg  This pic is 2 Texas Ever Bearing again all the same conditions.  The one on the right is again leaves from the tips and the left if from nodes. The tip leaves are fairly normal shaped and the node are again round.

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Here is another Texas Ever Bearing that shows the initial normal leaves then a transition in the middle to round when it was moved to sunlight from Led light then once established in sunlight started the more normal top leaves.

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This is a Little Miss Figgie that was moved outside and also shows the change in leaf shape in the transition.




I believe that a fig in distress forms a fatter larger surface area leaf in response. Initial plant growth like the LMF tip cuttings show the leaves already developing (tips) will be the "normal" shape and the new ones (node) will be the larger misshapen leaves. And the same with the stress of changing light conditions and sometimes transplanting. This appears to be a defense mechanism to insure maximum growth rates in stressful times I believe.  

Any other thoughts on this?

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Subject: What I have learned in 1 year of figmania. Replies: 4
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I think some of the other things I learned were Tissue Cultured figs really respond to a larger pot and direct sunlight as soon as you can get the transitioned. The growth rate is amazing.....from a 2 1/2 inch pot to a couple of figs the next year was a shock to me. I also learned (first hand) that they tend to grow too laterally for me as I prefer an upright tree. That way I can get mores figs in a given area. Many of my figs will need to be put in the garage this winter so a wide bush type of growth I prune and train to upright.

I think for the fig fans that only want a few trees or do not have the time/desire to root cuttings the tiny fig plants from the online nurseries are inexpensive and healthy. Some of my TC plant came from Bakers Creek on sale as a 3 plant bundle delivered for $13.00. I ordered 3 sets and ended up with 7 different types and I lost 2 to stupidity! I Also have had luck with Wellsprings and Hirt's. My experience has been the ones from Hirt's grew at a mush faster rate...I can only assume they had a better root structure. Cuttings on Ebay is a gamble for the newbies like me. I did not do enough research on the vendors and the forums. Ordered cuttings from Israel......never saw them. Ordered VDB cuttings.....appears to be Brown Turkey.  The place I ordered them and several others types from has disappeared so who knows at this point if any cutting were the correct type from them. Almost spent mucho bucks from one vendor that has been exposed on this forum. Funny thing is I had ordered Alpine Strawberry seeds from them that never germinated but I thought it was me.  So this Forum saved me there. Now I try to get my cuttings from vendors that are known on this forum!  

I also have learned that fig trees are individually different. I bought my first two trees and planted them 20 feet apart in my yard. One is a Brown Turkey and the other a Celeste.  Both were the same size from the same store but the Celeste is 6 foot tall and 8 foot wide a year later and the Brown Turkey is still 3 foot tall and 2 1/2 wide....alive and healthy but no real growth. The Celeste is huge and loaded with figs! The Brown Turkey is known for good growth but this one is on strike! 

Thanks to all for the nice comments. And stay tuned for more info as the adventure in figdom continues. I will post a list of the figs that thrive here in E. TN and the ones that rust devastated in this area. I think I will use them to provide cutting/plants to better areas for them! As to the two trees in the ground, the Brown Turkey was completely denuded by Rust and the Celeste showed no signs! Who knows! I am trying to decide what to put where the Brown Turkey is and what to do with the sad sack BT!

My LSU Gold provided about 5 figs so large I had to cut them out of the organza bags! Wow what a fig, big and sweet. Choosing between a Celeste and an LSU Gold would be a hard choice. No figs yet from my other LSU figs....I have high expectations for them. (Geaux Tigers!)


I think we need a permanent folder for cutting exchanges.......list what you have and what you want. Each pays their own shipping. This way we the forum members will have an easy source for obtaining new types in their collections with the minimal cost! I will have a handful of several types this fall but not enough to try to sell on Ebay so exchange is the only way to really benefit from them. Whatca' think? 

 


Subject: What I have learned in 1 year of figmania. Replies: 4
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I grew up in New Orleans where we had 2 fig trees in our yard that the gentleman that planted them said were Celeste. The first time I realized that not all fig trees were the same. Late in the summer these trees produced figs like crazy and nobody ate them but me. I found that the ones drooping and cracked were by far the best.  My taste in figs still leans to a ripe Celeste. So last year I started on my dream back yard which is simply a fruit grazing adventure. I have many types of strawberries including Alpine types, multiple blueberries, raspberries, blackberries,cherry trees, grape vines, citrus trees and (I counted yesterday) 57 fig trees. Two in the ground, 2 in 18" pots and the others in various size containers. I started my collection with buying every type of fig Hirt's had. All were small last year....more like tiny. This year 3 of them had edible figs. I am still impressed with Hirt's for staring a collection inexpensively. I have also never had one (yet) that was not what it said it was. I also have had good luck with Wellsprings figs.

However figmainia hit when I found out rooting cutting was possible and as I am retired they were CHEAP! The problem or advantage of all the fig blogs is everyone that roots cuttings has a method that works for them best.  My first big item I learned is that some did not work well for me. The paper towel in the plastic bag simply was a fungus incubator. Starting in water worked well for about 2 weeks then the warm water would "cook" the roots. I tried the method of completely burying the cuttings and was rewarded with ONLY a 25% success rate. I will agree that when it worked the resulting plant was very healthy and vigorous. I then tried the cup method with a cup dome.......finally success! Or at least 75% of the time at first. I refined my potting mix and added about 25% small pine bark nuggets which gave aeration and a little acid to the mix. I also found a use for Styrofoam peanuts, a layer goes on the bottom of the planting cup with lots of drainage holes. This mix works for me, will it work for you.....who knows?

One way I figured it out was by ordering "unknown figs" listed as " Louisiana Brown" or Texas ever-bearing and "Ashland Unknown", a dirt cheap way to learn what worked.   I have about 15 of these now about 18 " tall that will be traded to a farmer for a box of fresh veggies every week in the summer.  He wants to grow figs but has no idea what to plant or care for. About a dozen appear to be Brown Turkey or  Celeste and a few Yellow figs from Louisiana. I believe once he has fresh ripe figs for sale he will find it a good money maker. The only "fresh figs" we get are packaged rock hard Brown Turkey figs that were priced at $5.00 for 5 figs. And the trees once well rooted will grow like  weeds with zero care for him.  

The lights I use and the plant shelves are documented on the forum. But keep in mind the the conditions in my growing room will not be the same as yours. Buy some inexpensive cuttings and experiment..........fig trees are always easy to get rid of.

As to my 57 trees, I have  24 varieties and some are just different names but same as another plant. So I have in reality 22(?) known varieties but many I have just one and others as many as six.

I also discovered that some figs root very easily and others do not. The easy ones for me have been Kadota, Black Italian, Jelly, Little Miss Figgie and the Brown Turkey variants. The hard, again for me, have been LSU Purple and Celeste for some reason. I also have proof positive as to which figs do well in the hot, humid East TN area. This year Rust wiped the leaves off of some varieties and others showed no signs of rust. All were within feet of each other. All have recovered but the ones denuded lost 2 months of leaf coverage. So these will not stay in my collection. 

BTW, my current rooting method is about two weeks in water until I get many of the white bumps on the cutting then into the cup W/cover using my rooting mix and under 12 hours a day LED lights indoors.

Find what works for you, I know for a fact any fig from a tree you started will taste better than one you just bought........(I know it is all mental but I have also been called mental by some.)   

Subject: Cuttings under lights Replies: 5
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No special bulbs......on sale Lowes 40 Watt equivalent. Averaged about $1.50 a bulb. Dirt cheap to run and build. Tried the red/blue "grow lights" and besides a high failure rate the did nothing the normal bulbs did not do.

It seems everyone has a system of rooting that works for them. Killed lots of cuttings trying to figure it out for my situation. What works in my warm humid TN area would not have worked as well when I was in AZ. On the other hand I now have lots of "unknown" trees as the cuttings were cheap to experiment with. At least I feel comfortable now buying some expensive cuttings to root. BTW, I have a long post on here somewhere on the lights/stands and such.

Subject: Cuttings under lights Replies: 5
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I was surprised at how quickly the DK and one of those super special "unknowns" in this case a "Yellow from Louisiana" rooted. Looks like I will have lots of small trees next spring for trade/sale!

Subject: Cuttings under lights Replies: 5
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20160831_103819.jpg This is the fastest I have even seen a cutting root. This is a Desert King cutting placed in its cup on 8/23. These pics were taken today, 8/31.  My success rate in rooting in cups is about 80%, completely burying the cutting is about 25% and water rooting about 50%. 

 
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Normally it is a month or longer to see a root in these cups.


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Subject: OT Blackberries Replies: 18
Posted By: JMRTSUS Views: 224
 
I have Natchez, Navaho and Triple Crown. Here in East TN the Natchez were ripe first but not real sweet. The Navaho were next with nice sweet and flavorful berries....very abundant harvest. The Triple Crown was not as fruitful as the others but made up for it in size and taste. 

Subject: Little miss figgy? Replies: 10
Posted By: JMRTSUS Views: 359
 
I bought two LMF in the summer of last year, 1 from Hirt's and one locally. Both were in 4 inch pots and about 6 inches tall.   I must say they both grew quickly with the Hirt's now being 4 foot and the other 3 foot tall this summer and 5-6 lateral branches each. Leaves look just like my VDB and Petite Negra so my money is it is probably a Petite Negra.  I too suspect someone has simply "re-named" another fig. I got excited over the "new" Fantasia fig last year. Then found out it was a Scott's Black at twice the price. No figs to compare yet on the LMF's. 

Subject: Like we need another unknown ;-) Replies: 30
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I want cuttings of that tree please.....

Subject: My first ripe figs Replies: 13
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My first LSU figs....one Purple and one gold...

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 Gold could have had another day!

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 Very nice fig taste and sweetness on the Purple and a sweet very mild taste with the Gold....both very small crunchy seeds.
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YES, that is bacon......put a tray out and watch them disappear!


Subject: Please help- growing figs indoors! Specifically- LIGHT BULBS :/ Replies: 28
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I put together a few light shelves to do several things last fall. First I wanted to start Alpine strawberry seeds and fig cuttings for spring. Second I wanted to grow regular strawberries indoors for the winter. Most important to me was the cost of building and the electrical costs of running it. So the lamps were the starting point. Researching plant lights I found in a nutshell that you could buy specially made grow lights of many types......fluorescent, incandescent, mercury vapor, sodium and LED's. Pluses and minuses to each but the one that produces the most light at the lowest power draw and generates the least heat is the LED lamps. I tried the special red/blue grow light LED lamps and the common household LED lamps in identical settings and the same timers. I used the household lamps after looking at their light spectrum and finding that I could get the same red/blue light that plants require with the white illumination from the household lamps along with the yellow and green light that is not that important to plants. And I also found the the "special" lamps were not reliable, out of 12 only 7 are still working while only 1 in 28 LED lamps has failed. The growth was essentially the same over a 6 month period with the white LED and the red/blue lamps. The red/blue as you can imagine produces a strong purple light which is both annoying and makes all of you plants leaves look brown and dead! I found I was always moving them to a white light to see how they looked.

The white lamps I used are 40 watt equivalent lamps that only consume 9 watts of power each and I have bought for as little as $1 each at Lowes, usually about $3.50 for a pair. I purchased the lampholders at Lowes also for $1.50 each. The pictures show the lamps and lamp holders mounted on a homemade shelves and a three shelf plastic shelf also from Lowes. You can get 4 lampholders in about 1 square foot of shelf. So a 1 ft. by 3 ft. shelf will give you 12 lamps with 480 watts equivalent per light shelf. The actual power consumption will be 9 Watts X 12 lamps or 108 watts per shelf. So you get almost 500 watts of light equivalent for 100 watts of electricity. And the heat put out is only about 20% of the incandescent types. Light output in lumens for these bulbs is 800 each, so a 12 lamp shelf is getting almost 10,000 lumens. Bright....no.....BRIGHT!

I ended up with 40 lamps and holders, wire and a timer for about $125......plus shelves. See all the pics below, I also used reflectors to harness the light by reflecting it back inside the shelves. I used some silvered insulation plastic roll material from, as usual Lowes. No, I don't own stock but I do have a 5% discount!

How did it work? Very well, by setting the plant containers close to the light to get them started and move to a taller shelf as they grow and adjusting the lights by unscrewing some lamps if not used. I have found for me that rooting figs works best under the lights in a loose soil mix and well drained transparent cups. But outside in the sun is where they really take off as soon as the are ready for it.  I also brought dormant potted figs inside in January to give them a 3 month head start that worked well for me.

So this is what I did. Is it right for you? If you are handy with tools and minor wiring or have someone that is then the answer is yes for starting plants indoors. Keep in mind this is an undertaking that requires daily care of the plants and a learning curve as to what works and what does not work so well for you. We will all have conditions that are different even indoors like temperature, A/C vents and humidity. I also added some styrofoam from shipping boxes to set the plants on as the slight heat from the lamps mounted under the shelf was great for the strawberry seedlings but dried out the fig cuttings  too quickly. So called Fungus flies can be a real problem indoors. My solution was chemical warfare.....a very mild mix of pyrethrin and fungicide along with diluted fertilizer in the watering mix was the fix. Once the plants go outside they just get water. I am experimenting with small cuttings in the peat pellet starter pots indoors and they seem to like it so far. 

If you decide to do this and have questions let me know, I am an expert at finding what doesn't work! Not  too good at getting it all right the first time though. The wiring is the important but not difficult part......... IF you are handy with tools and have replaced a lamp socket or light switch you can probably do it. I can provide a pictorial or schematic if needed. Please keep in mind if you do not have the ability or have any doubts DO NOT ATTEMPT IT. Electricity kills! 


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Special red/blue and household lamps


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Lamps and holders on plastic shelves

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Wood shelves with reflector in back



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Front "curtain" reflector and plants on the styrofoam 


Subject: A new source, another not Ischia Replies: 20
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I heard on some site a few months ago that the wally world Ischia was actually a White Marseilles. I had one in a pot that did not make it thru the winter so I bought 2 of them. I have had 3 figs from one tree and all were a pale yellow outside with almost pure white inside and brown crunchy seeds. Not super sweet but could have used a few more days to fully ripen. So I also am convinced they are WM which is ok as I have had some that were outstanding. The Jefferson story is a nice opening to discussing white figs with those that think all figs are purple and have dead wasps inside!

Subject: recommendations for the South ? Replies: 7
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I too grew up in New Orleans with the Celeste figs. They are my standard for judging figs. I would put in an Improved Celeste, LSU Gold and an LSU Tiger or Champagne. The LSU figs were developed for the Louisiana climate.

I am now in SE TN and my Celeste is 4 times the size of my Brown Turkey and loaded with figs. Both bought at the same time and same size. The Celeste has been the most popular fig in the south for many years according to one website. The only ripe figs I have had so far this year has been a Brown Turkey that was big, pretty and tasteless like all BT's I have tasted. I saw figs in my grocery the other day. A plastic tub with 5 BT's was $5.00 ....$1 a fig! The most vigorous trees from cuttings I have are what was referred to as a Louisiana Brown. The are growing like weeds, rooted bigtime in a cup and lots of leaves, will not know if they are BT's or not until later. I think I got about 8 cuttings for $10 and ALL are going crazy. They will be in a one gallon pot outside in a few weeks. Cutting to 1 gal outside in less that 2 months! 

Subject: Fig critter battle Replies: 6
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I have heard of that and aluminum foil causing reflection that frighten birds. My problems are the fuzzy critters! I use bird nets which are a real pain in the butt and every year I have to rescue birds caught in the net for my raspberries,blackberries and blueberries. I think next spring I will try the CD's! Thanks!

Subject: Fig critter battle Replies: 6
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We have two major insect problems here in East TN. Japanese beetles and Army worms. The Japanese beetles are currently devouring Raspberry, Grape and Cherry tree leaves. With the Raspberries I will let them do their damage as my ever bearing berries are setting fall fruit and I will not spray. The honey bees have a hard enough time. Japanese beetle will not touch a fig leaf at least here. They are funny eaters....one type of cherry tree the top leaves look like lace, another type of cherry 10 feet away has not been touched, they prefer red raspberry plants as opposed to gold. Army worms also will not touch a fig leaf but all other berry plant are fair game, especially tomato plants.

It is the pesky wasps with the figs. If a ripe one is left unpicked there will be many wasps on that fig the next day. Keep them picked and it will hold down the wasps. Open eyed figs are just a wasp magnet here.  I hope the bags help with that.....we shall see!

Thanks for the input, I will take some losses but I expect to start winning the fig fruit battle.

Off topic but I am more impressed with the Celeste fig each day. As a child we had 2 in our yard and I remember the massive fruit loads in New Orleans. Last year I planted a Celeste and a Brown Turkey trees from a 1 gallon pot and the same size in the ground. One year later the Brown Turkey is about 3 foot high and 2 foot wide with no figs yet. The Celeste is 5 foot tall and a 6-7 foot spread and figlets all over it and leaves the size of plates. I can see why it is the most common fig tree in the South as my memories of it growing up was the massive amount of fruit the trees produced. Most rotted on the tree as fig lovers had a trees of their own and we couldn't give the figs away. In New Orleans all a person did was get a fat cutting and shove it in the ground and it grew. 

Good luck with your crops, I have figlets on my Celeste, Olympian, Lil Ruby, LSU Purple and LSU Gold and a few small potted figs. I even have two figlets on a 4 inch high LSU Champagne under grow lights!

Subject: Fig critter battle Replies: 6
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What kind of critters (TN talk for animals) are others battling? Last week my first ripe fig, a golfball size Chicago Hardy that was already on a HD $5 closeout ugly looking completely horizontal plant I bought 3 weeks ago. It was a day from perfectly ripe and my little organza bags had not come it yet so.....unprotected. Looking down from my deck I saw a chipmunk jump up in the repotted now vertical tree and chomp a bite before losing my mind and chasing him off. I picked the fig, removed his bite side and ate the other half! OK fig, semi-sweet and juicy with crunchy seeds. A taste of thing to come I hope. We have zero insects that have any interest in the fig leaves here. Just birds and other critters. I have seen squirrels and chipmunks eat the figs and possums and raccoons will also. Birds are always a problem with the brown and purple/black figs. Much less so with the white/green/yellow. I have my small organza pull string bags now. I paid $12 per 100 online.(Topsuppliesandgifts ETSY) I am sure they will last years.  When my figs reach maybe 1 inch in diameter I place the bag over them. I know it will stop the wasps which will almost live on the ripe figs all day and the birds. We will see if the bigger critters will be hampered by them. I use bird nets on my berries but I think the bags will solve several problems.the Tell everyone about your critter battles and your defense systems to help us win a few more figs!

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