Another unknown, small black fig

Author

Comment Page 2 of 4 Prev 1 2 3 4 Next

bullet08

Registered:1284496248
Posts: 6,920

Posted 1341844526	Reply with quote #51

hmm.. i'll be at stone mountain in oct.. how far do you live from stone mountain, jason? __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

go4broek

Registered:1287592943
Posts: 1,200

Posted 1341848370	Reply with quote #52

I hate to be the wet blanket in this party, but that fig lacks many of the characteristics of an Ischia Black (IB). It may still turn out to be a great fig, but not an IB. Here is what Condit said about IB brebas: "crop fair; fruits medium or above, up to 2-1/4 inches long and 1-3/4 inches in diameter, oblique-pyriform, with a short, thick neck; stalk often 1/2 inch long or more somewhat swollen toward body of the fig; ribs narrow, slightly elevated; eye medium, open, scales purple; color purplish black; bloom conspicuous; meat thin, white, with a violet tinge; pulp strawberry; flavor fairly sweet and rich." Leaves- mostly 3-lobed. Often 0 (entire). Leaf Appearance- glossy and rugose (bumpy. what some here refer to as "Mt. Etna look") Margins- Coarsely crenate (sawtooth) Upper Margin width- moderate Upper Margin depth-wide Base- Truncate to Subcordate Main crop: Avg. weight- 30g Dull surface. Fairly heavy bloom. Scattered white flecks. "Caprified specimens similar in external characters to the uncaprified ones; pulp dark strawberry; seeds fertile, prominent. (Plate 27, C.)" I think there are too many significant differences between the well-documented IB and this tree to dismiss as merely a horticultural or regional difference. __________________ Ruben Cibolo, TX/Zone 8b Wish List: Dalmatie, Italian 258, Martin's Unknown (not the Italian), CdD-N, NdC, Signora, Latarolla, Stella! Check out my online journal @ http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/go4broek/83546/

shah8

Registered:1339623766
Posts: 657

Posted 1341849005	Reply with quote #53

Well, Dennis has pictures of the UCD BI. The leaves seem pretty different... I will say this, though, Ischia was applied to a number of different figs, and I'd only compare with the UCD version, and not by what Condit sez. Entire families of closely related figs were put under one name, so forth and on. I also had idly thought that it could be something close to Early Violet because this was one of those figs that were around in the South before Celeste, but I haven't found enough pics to say one way or another. I'd also make the contention (bringing my puerh tea judgement skillz), that very high end tasty things tastes very good in a wide range of conditions or preparation methods. It really should taste obviously great even a couple of days unripe. Then when you get it just right, you stagger to the knees. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

satellitehead

Registered:1257988353
Posts: 3,687

Posted 1341849438	Reply with quote #54

Ok, turning off private messaging here at the forum. I'm getting hammered for cuttings at this point by PM. Please folks, as always, if I have extra cuttings at some point, I'll offer them to the forum with a post at first-come-first-served basis. Hold off on the PMs and emails, *all cuttings are gone*. Thanks! __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

satellitehead

Registered:1257988353
Posts: 3,687

Posted 1341850329	Reply with quote #55

Quote: Originally Posted by The_celt Nice looking shun you got there You're not the only cook in the house ;) I was a huge Henckels fan in my early years, but picked up some Globals a few years back and fell in love with the eastern style blades, finally rested on that Ken Onion a couple years ago. Spendy purchase ($350?), but worth every penny. It felt weightless in the hand and cuts like a laser with minimal honing, doesn't matter what you're getting into. Side bonus, friend next door is a cutlery fanatic and may-as-well-be-professional sushi chef that specializes in Asian cutlery, and he sharpens us up every few months. Awesome all around. Quote: Originally Posted by bullet08 hmm.. i'll be at stone mountain in oct.. how far do you live from stone mountain, jason? If you're in Stone Mountain, use Google to measure directions to Atlanta Zoo. That will put you within a 5-minute ballpark of my place. Don't have anything on the map for October yet, keep me posted on your plans - note that with a kid and FTJ, I'm usually only free on weekends. __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

go4broek

Registered:1287592943
Posts: 1,200

Posted 1341850451	Reply with quote #56

Shah8, Here is a little background on Dr. Ira J. Condit as written in his monagraph "The Fig": "Since 1935, he has been Associate Professor and Associate Subtropical Horticulturist at the University of California Citrus Experiment Station, Riverside, where his main project has been the study of fig varieties, their nomenclature and climatic adaptation, and development of new varieties by extensive fig breeding. At the invitation of the California Fig Growers he spent six months in 1923 becoming acquainted with the fig industries of Old World districts, particularly Algeria, Italy, Greece, Turkey, France, Spain and Portugal. During sabbatical leave in 1934-35 he was visiting Professor at Lingnan University, Canton, China, and also visited the Philippines, Formosa, Japan, and Hawaii." He worked at UCD and UCR for decades. __________________ Ruben Cibolo, TX/Zone 8b Wish List: Dalmatie, Italian 258, Martin's Unknown (not the Italian), CdD-N, NdC, Signora, Latarolla, Stella! Check out my online journal @ http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/go4broek/83546/

snaglpus

Registered:1244258188
Posts: 4,072

Posted 1341850747	Reply with quote #57

HA! Jason, you are the MAN!!!!! I can't stop laughing. Have a good one. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1341851049	Reply with quote #58

Yes the leaves are a little different,but the growing condition ,are different too between Georgia and California!. It is as close as you can find a tree to be to Ischia Black. Not only that,but the leaves are also close to Ischia green.

gorgi

Registered:1188888396
Posts: 2,864

Posted 1341851323	Reply with quote #59

Ha-ha; a typical fig stampede ... Run baby, run ... >>> Ok, turning off private messaging here at the forum. I'm getting hammered for cuttings at this point by PM. >>> Please folks, as always, if I have extra cuttings at some point, I'll offer them to the forum with a post at first-come-first-served basis. Hold off on the PMs and emails, *all cuttings are gone*. Thanks! __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

shah8

Registered:1339623766
Posts: 657

Posted 1341851506	Reply with quote #60

Yes, I...know...all...that. Read the text, and think about what's going on. Many of his descriptions were second-hand. There are errors. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a fruit fanatic. I have old books from people just like Condit, like Popenoe, Fairchild, and Morton, and they all have their issues. You have a benchmark. It's growing right there in UCD, and grows exactly the fig people want. You don't need the book. You want the fig that tastes as good as that particular Black Ischia, not any accurate Black Ischia, which may well be some other fig not as delightful. Cheez, if figs were as generally as good as these Provençal and Neapolitan varieties, I would have been much more interested in them as something other than an easy to grow fruit and would have many more trees! But I don't, and a good reason why is the incredible confusion that surrounds varietal info, and the sheer plasticity of pheonomic expression. If I wanted to, and I had the camera and all, I could go outside now, and pick leaves that are exactly the same as the ones in the pictures Jason uploaded. It has entire, three, five, and seven lobes all in that tree, both of them (and Ischia is related to the Bordeaux varieties). The breba season had fruits that look a whole lot like Barnisotte and Barbentane, and the long, droopy fruit that BLB, among others, got as brebas, are a rarity. The two once grew differently, and now grow more or less the same. Figs are confusing. So once you hit close enough for government work, well, it's time to put down the book, and look at the fig. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

snaglpus

Registered:1244258188
Posts: 4,072

Posted 1341852087	Reply with quote #61

Hey George...I'm still laughing! But all jokes aside, it's all good when someone finds a good fig like that one Jason found. I found one in May. The owner gave me a truck load of cuttings for pruning her tree. Apparently, her tree was planted with her house back in the late 1800s. Her tree fruited 2 weeks ago and is fruiting now. It's a black fig that's very sweet. I think her tree is Negronne or VdB but not sure. I took some pictures of the figs and her tree. I will start a thread with pictures but before I do, I will turn off private messaging! Ha! How bout those figs!!!!!!! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1341854310	Reply with quote #62

Ruben:The I Condit description is very much in line with the fig Jason Found and not to The actual fig,in the Germaplasm collection. The fig in Germaplasm collection has 5 lobes well defined and a cordate base. Jason fig is truncate and has more 3 lobes leaves. Here is a pix of Actual Ischia Black in my garden: So,many times taking I Condit Description as fact is like shooting in the dark! Here is I Condit Description: Compare it to actual UCD Tree,and then later to Jason found tree,and see for yourself! Leaves- mostly 3-lobed. Often 0 (entire). Leaf Appearance- glossy and rugose (bumpy. what some here refer to as "Mt. Etna look") Margins- Coarsely crenate (sawtooth) Upper Margin width- moderate Upper Margin depth-wide Base- Truncate to Subcordate Attached Images DSCN2104.JPG (122.28 KB, 94 views)

71GTO

Registered:1290311646
Posts: 1,002

Posted 1341856729	Reply with quote #63

Isn't DNA testing the only way to know for sure? __________________ NJ z7a Wish list :

slingha

Registered:1339292965
Posts: 656

Posted 1341857531	Reply with quote #64

Im going to make some popcorn before I continue to read this thread. Quite frankly if this tree is what some people think it is someone is going to pay for the DNA testing.

go4broek

Registered:1287592943
Posts: 1,200

Posted 1341858228	Reply with quote #65

Herman, Jason's find DOES have SOME similarities to the Condit description, but many more differences. The text in bold in post #52 is just SOME of the differences. We must always remember, when referring to Condit's descriptions, that he took his findings from mature, fruit-bearing trees and his leaf descriptions were based on a random sample of 50 leaves from fruit-bearing branches. So, yes, the tree at UCD may also have 5-lobed leaves, but was it on a fruit-bearing branch? And if so, what percentage of those leaves does it have on it's fruit-bearing branches? Apparently, it wasn't enough back in the first half of the 20th century to be considered significant by Condit. I suggest proceding methodically (with a researcher's curiousity) and good documentation and evaluate Jason's tree objectively, not with haste. We have not even seen the main crop (which may actually be even smaller than this breba. Probably will be the same size). Lastly, the link to you pic is not working. Thanks! __________________ Ruben Cibolo, TX/Zone 8b Wish List: Dalmatie, Italian 258, Martin's Unknown (not the Italian), CdD-N, NdC, Signora, Latarolla, Stella! Check out my online journal @ http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/go4broek/83546/

The_celt

Registered:1291260537
Posts: 874

Posted 1341858657	Reply with quote #66

Jason I now use only 2 brands misono ux10 and kikowichi best I've used ever __________________ http://sumosteaks.com/

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1341859334	Reply with quote #67

My pix is of a mature bearing tree Brother,That pix show an eight years old tree!. How old is suppose to be ,when mature:/More than 8! The fruit bearing branches having something to do with leaf shape that is a mith and doesn't hold water. The most important leaf details is the number of lobes,and the base,of leaf shape,and in this regard Jason fig is closer to I Condit description,than my eight years old mature enough Ischia Black from UC D Germaplasm.

lukeott

Registered:1311470849
Posts: 645

Posted 1341865943	Reply with quote #68

With all the excitement going on, still don't have a story yet. Who planted it, where it came from, has it been in the family and possibly in other parts of the country. I wanted to send you a pm, but knew you were going to get nailed to the cross. Shooting for 5 years, by then maybe enough will be propagated to get a cutting or small plant. We are all like kids in a candy store, drolling over your find. HIP HIP HOORAY!! luke

satellitehead

Registered:1257988353
Posts: 3,687

Posted 1341866015	Reply with quote #69

After two failed visits to reach the homeowner, I'm sending postal mail. It'll be there by Wednesday, I'll wait for a call. People are more prone to open mail from a stranger than to open a door with a stranger in the area the tree is located. Stay tuned. __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

bullet08

Registered:1284496248
Posts: 6,920

Posted 1341867106	Reply with quote #70

I still prefer good old German steel. Take care of it and it will cut by itself. I'll be in Stone Mountain on Oct.19-20. That's for sure. But squeezing time out of it... I'll have to figure out how to do it. If I get lucky, I might have afternoon off on 20th before I drive back up to NC. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

Gina

Registered:1330452963
Posts: 2,260

Posted 1341867164	Reply with quote #71

Quote: Originally Posted by lukeott I wanted to send you a pm, but knew you were going to get nailed to the cross. Shooting for 5 years, by then maybe enough will be propagated to get a cutting or small plant. We are all like kids in a candy store, drolling over your find. HIP HIP HOORAY!! Yep. As someone relatively new to figs, I look upon a discovery like this as I do new movies - I'll wait a few years till they find their way to tv. ;) But it's exciting and a great deal of fun to read about. __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

Chivas

Registered:1283819505
Posts: 1,675

Posted 1341867415	Reply with quote #72

Maybe it's a related variety from Ischia as well? I am guessing in the island there are sibling trees no doubt? __________________ Canada Zone 6B

rafed

Registered:1252876934
Posts: 5,308

Posted 1341868567	Reply with quote #73

Hey Jason, I have a velvet ninja suit I can let you borrow. It's been passed on from one fig legend to another. One size fits all, last one had it was Cecil. So you might need a bungie cord to hold your pants up.

go4broek

Registered:1287592943
Posts: 1,200

Posted 1341869030	Reply with quote #74

Herman, Again, the link is not working. Thanks! EDIT: I see it now. There is a hyperlink in the message that does not work. As for the tree pictured, it looks very different from Jason's. It is 8 years old you say? It's obviously struggling with FMV. Can't say it's a great specimen for comparison though. A close-up might help. Though it's unlikely that UCD mixed up the cuttings, it is a possibility (by their own admission). Let's just keep an open mind. __________________ Ruben Cibolo, TX/Zone 8b Wish List: Dalmatie, Italian 258, Martin's Unknown (not the Italian), CdD-N, NdC, Signora, Latarolla, Stella! Check out my online journal @ http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/go4broek/83546/

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1341873269	Reply with quote #75

New pixies,of UCD Ischia Black ,and yes the fruits are identical and the dominant leaf shape is very similar,5 lobes,and not three lobes or entire as described by Ira Condit!. Let the pixies do the talk. Just like Jason Find! Pix 4 and 5,Ischia Black fruit,in my garden,and UC Davis pix of fruit and leaf. You can see that I have the right specimen and the dominant leaf. And that dominant mature leaf has 5 lobes,and not like I Condit describe it as Three lobes or entire!. Attached Images DSCN2107.JPG (115.73 KB, 66 views) DSCN2108.JPG (96.78 KB, 75 views) DSCN2109.JPG (111.28 KB, 98 views) Ischia_Black.jpg (69.78 KB, 120 views) figucr-Ischia_-black_lf_fruit.jpg (325.23 KB, 110 views)

shah8

Registered:1339623766
Posts: 657

Posted 1341875792	Reply with quote #76

Really, the main reason I'd think it's BI is the fruit. The fruit, especially the shape and the flesh, does look like what BI should look like. Leaves are too variable, but the only other fig remotely like it in shape, RdB, doesn't have the same kind of flesh and the leaves are definitely not alike, or the growth habit of the tree (as described by Jason). __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

Chivas

Registered:1283819505
Posts: 1,675

Posted 1341886520	Reply with quote #77

I hope lots of cuttings are available in the fall/winter. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

Gina

Registered:1330452963
Posts: 2,260

Posted 1341888672	Reply with quote #78

If it proves to be IB, what are you going to name it? IBSH? (Ischia Black SatelliteHead) ;) That would be cool. __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

nelson20vt

Registered:1259864353
Posts: 1,847

Posted 1341931608	Reply with quote #79

Great find Jason, looks like an awesome fig. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1341969193	Reply with quote #80

If you want to know one little Secret,The south and deep south was loaded in the past with healthy Ischia Black figs,and I am sure there are some old trees all over the south. The reason was that Ischia Black is super tasty,and resist rain,humidity bugs and heat. Those trees were imported from Europe not obtained from UCD Germaplasm,so they are quite healthy. It will be only a matter of time till a good tree surfaces ,for propagation.

shah8

Registered:1339623766
Posts: 657

Posted 1341972509	Reply with quote #81

Well, technically, we would need fig hunters in places like Macon and Milledgeville. Perhaps Savannah, but the coastal climate there probably would be pretty unfriendly to many figs. Montgomery and Mobile AL probably has old forgotten trees around as well... Atlanta, remember, was really only a significant national-level city in the South for a very short while. Places like Birmingham used to be more important and in very much living memory, and in the general underdevelopedness of the South, attractive jobs was widespread among many places rather than coalescing until Atlanta and Charlotte/Research Triangle started booming. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

shah8

Registered:1339623766
Posts: 657

Posted 1341972640	Reply with quote #82

There were lots of Maltas and Early Violets, too. The fancy french figs were rarer, but did apparently exist in Ga. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

rcantor

Registered:1309799312
Posts: 5,724

Posted 1341978620	Reply with quote #83

I have to say that this is probably a horrible fig and eating a fig with white spots will give you ebola. It isn't true but there has to be some way to keep Jason from being deluged. And after you're done reading that link, Look to the right and read all of "the best of". They're unbelievably funny. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

nypd5229

Registered:1290455653
Posts: 1,903

Posted 1342011088	Reply with quote #84

I found it very fascinating, based on Herman's post, that a small Island off the coast of Napoli, would have so many tree cuttings make it to America. I grew up in a heavy Italian community in Southern Queens that extended into LI. Most of the people I grew up with were either Sicilian or Napolitan. Even while growing up and visiting Italia we would go to Sorrento, up and down the Amalfi coast. Growing up in the shadow of Mt Vesuvius, my father never once uttered the name of Ischia. So I find it very fascinating that so many from the island made it to the South. __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1342012135	Reply with quote #85

Dominick:It was that we had luck,because of an well to do ,English nursery Owner that visited the Island in the 18th Century,and he brought cuttings of a handful of figs off the island. They did have name other than Ischia but he lost the tags ,on his way to England and so when they fruited ,he tagged them Ischia ,Black Green and white,and possible Yellow,I am not sure,about last one. From England they made their way here to the US,later.

nypd5229

Registered:1290455653
Posts: 1,903

Posted 1342012205	Reply with quote #86

Thanks- Now it makes more sense. __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1342012956	Reply with quote #87

Dominick:Ischia Island is world renown for Hot mineral spring bath,that is good for people with degenerative bone disease, AND RHEUMATISM,but only the rich people of Europe go there to take advantage of them. I would like to go there ,as it would be good for my sciatica and my back surgery recovery,but ,When I save enough money,LOL. There are 2 islands well known in that area,The Capri island,that is made for lovers,and the Ischia Island ,that is visited by old F--ts.

nypd5229

Registered:1290455653
Posts: 1,903

Posted 1342014470	Reply with quote #88

Yeah I have read that on the internet. Play ground of the European rich. __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

The_celt

Registered:1291260537
Posts: 874

Posted 1342015610	Reply with quote #89

Why does every one talk about condit being the end all be all? He only wrote about what he saw in Cali. Even that was wrong most of the time. What about Vallese, Eisen, Baud,Pons or Bauwens? These men traveled and looked and studied. Condit kinda picked up seeds and planted them. I will an O'Rouk hybred over a condit any day. All he did was copy what others wrote 45 years befor him. How did he describe figs in Italy from his couch in Cali? __________________ http://sumosteaks.com/

nelson20vt

Registered:1259864353
Posts: 1,847

Posted 1342015870	Reply with quote #90

Dan, think you nailed what I was just going to say. AMEN Brother __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

FMD

Registered:1309800590
Posts: 1,327

Posted 1342019150	Reply with quote #91

Herman, when we visited Capri 2 years ago, my wife went shopping for handbags and I went off exploring the terrain for fig trees. I came across several huge fig trees on private properties that were reachable from the side-walk. I couldn't help myself and snagged a few cuttings. Unfortunately, they did not root but I still have great memories of that day. We did not get a chance to go to Ischia. There are inexpensive day tours for both islands, Sorrento and many other nearby beautiful locations... a true fig heaven. Next time we visit the Amalfi coast we will definitely go to Ischia and you can guess what I will be doing while my wife hunts for bags. Frank __________________ Frank Tallahassee, FL Zone 8b North Florida Figs

go4broek

Registered:1287592943
Posts: 1,200

Posted 1342023130	Reply with quote #92

Dan, Apparently you did not read post #56. Here are a few more reasons that may help you understand: http://www.raysfiginfo.com/newyank.html . It's easy for backyard gardeners like us to tear down an expert when you don't have to worry about little things like evidence, provenance or documentation. __________________ Ruben Cibolo, TX/Zone 8b Wish List: Dalmatie, Italian 258, Martin's Unknown (not the Italian), CdD-N, NdC, Signora, Latarolla, Stella! Check out my online journal @ http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/go4broek/83546/

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1342025351	Reply with quote #93

Frank:Fig tree lives a long time,I am sure there are more of those fig trees on that island right now. To Dan:Yes ,O'Rourke hybrids,are indeed selected,one can see ,selection work was done there,and that is WHY ,all of them are at least satisfactory,in taste and flavor,and most of them are super tasty.

nelson20vt

Registered:1259864353
Posts: 1,847

Posted 1342025421	Reply with quote #94

Unfortunately the backyard gardeners are growing more than one fig now adays and making our own observations his method of describing leaves is great. But for an expert he sure made quite a few mistakes. I'm sorry but some people feel like he's the fig messiah. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1342026028	Reply with quote #95

Nelson:Amen to that! What my problem with Ira Condit is,here I will explain. As educated as he was,being in his position as decider,when the Great Britain,send,to UCD,cuttings from the Entire collection,the Royal Horticultural Society had,he ordered the cuttings to be grafted to existent older Caprifig,in multiple numbers on one tree,in order to make fruits so he can get pollinated fruits and so new Hybrids out of them. When that was done every branch that grew was infected with Fig Mosaic virus. How hard would have been to just root and plant the cuttings ,that later would have become clean trees,and if some would have been very good like Black Ischia,just spread them around to Farmer,willing to grow a Orchard. After that was done ,then he would have experimented as much as he wanted,When USA was planted with superior cultivars. The way he acted seem to be ,intentional,to infest the cuttings so nobody will be able to grow those cultivars,and so to be obligated to grow his hybrids,which by the way were planted from seeds in ground and even tho in California do not have the cocktail of Viruses that the cultivars from England does have. I know it as a fact because I grew many of his hybrids and they grow very well,and they are healthy.

maketa

Registered:1334280396
Posts: 33

Posted 1342031613	Reply with quote #96

It's very cool to find a tree right in your neighborhood. I haven't seen any here in my area, at least growing in the ground. There are a lot of Italian families in the next borough over. I did hear a story from a colleague about an older Italian man carting his trees outdoors earlier in the season. I'm looking forward to going back to NYC to keep an eye out for their trees. __________________ Donna Zone 6, Southern CT Fig Wish List: Samoa Sunshine, Monstreuse Available for trade: None at the moment.

nelson20vt

Registered:1259864353
Posts: 1,847

Posted 1342032189	Reply with quote #97

Quote: Originally Posted by go4broek Dan, Apparently you did not read post #56. Here are a few more reasons that may help you understand: http://www.raysfiginfo.com/newyank.html . It's easy for backyard gardeners like us to tear down an expert when you don't have to worry about little things like evidence, provenance or documentation. Ruben, Completely missed post #56 didn't realize he had actually gone into other contries to do research. Lesson learned read before you post lol. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Chivas

Registered:1283819505
Posts: 1,675

Posted 1342040929	Reply with quote #98

Is there any speculation what Black Ischia really might be in name on the island or elsewhere? I find it hard to believe that only one person ever brought it off the island. While the answers may be varied, maybe it is possible that someone knows what it's called without knowing what it's called. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

satellitehead

Registered:1257988353
Posts: 3,687

Posted 1342061222	Reply with quote #99

Herman - Totally off-topic, I just noticed that almost all of your posts have the word "Ischia" hotlinked to SurfCanyon with search suggestions. SurfCanyon is a browser add-on that a lot of people see as "bad". If it's not something you are aware is on your computer, instructions to remove it are here: http://www.surfcanyon.com/faq.jsp#q4 __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

Herman2

Registered:1189809424
Posts: 2,625

Posted 1342061724	Reply with quote #100

It is OK Jason:It comes with Mozilla Firefox browser,I like it because if I want to by something off a seller,it tells me other places I can get the item ,sometimes for much less money. It compare prices,for a said Item.

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Page 2 of 4 Prev 1 2 3 4 Next

Modal title

Insert Code

Please paste your code into the box below: