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Hello guys,

I was doing my usual scan on eBay looking for some good deals. I found the variety mentioned above for auction by 'willscfigs'. I didn't see any pictures of the fruit, cut fruit etc on the auction. The seller describes as follows
" Black Beauty 10 is a VERY rare variety that has been sought after for many years but was being held tightly by just one grower.  It has finally found its way out and will be in high demand.   It is a very "unique and incredible" tasting fig and a very healthy cultivar.  That is a milk crate the leaf is sitting on in the picture, just huge leaves. This variety is destined to be "one of the very best".  

My questions are
1, what did the seller mean by ' it was tightly held' , if so by who exactly?
2, And he also says 'it found its way out'. How?
3, Finally is this the same 'Will C' the founder of our figs ?, if so I will blindly believe his words. But the above two questions remain as I'm one of the bidder and want to know if it's the same BB-10 discovered by dan.

Cheers

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Have you tried asking the seller these questions? I understand that he could just make up some garbage to tell you, but I was just wondering if you asked, and what he said. Sounds intriguing though.
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Have you tried asking the seller these questions? I understand that he could just make up some garbage to tell you, but I was just wondering if you asked, and what he said. Sounds intriguing though.

Of course I did. But I wanted to know if it's the same wills or someone copying his name as the description sounds unreal to me. How did it found its way out?

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I see that there is another seller offering the same fig on ebay. If it "just made its way out" and there already 2 sellers offering them, I would just wait a year for the price to drop. I'm sure that by next year there will be a dozen sellers offering this "very rare" variety.


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Here is the person who says they "discovered" this fig. It appears to be just an unknown.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Black-Beauty-10-5440878

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Here is the person who says they "discovered" this fig. It appears to be just an unknown.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Black-Beauty-10-5440878


Yea but how did it got out if the founder was closely guarding it? So is the cuttings on offer the real deal?

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Hello guys, I was doing my usual scan on eBay looking for some good deals. I found the variety mentioned above for auction by 'willscfigs'. I didn't see any pictures of the fruit, cut fruit etc on the auction. The seller describes as follows " Black Beauty 10 is a VERY rare variety that has been sought after for many years but was being held tightly by just one grower.  It has finally found its way out and will be in high demand.   It is a very "unique and incredible" tasting fig and a very healthy cultivar.  That is a milk crate the leaf is sitting on in the picture, just huge leaves. This variety is destined to be "one of the very best".   My questions are 1, what did the seller mean by ' it was tightly held' , if so by who exactly? 2, And he also says 'it found its way out'. How? 3, Finally is this the same 'Will C' the founder of our figs ?, if so I will blindly believe his words. But the above two questions remain as I'm one of the bidder and want to know if it's the same BB-10 discovered by dan. Cheers


"Tightly held" is a finance term, used to refer to a company whose shares are mostly owned by a small group (e.g., family) and not generally offered for sale.  It seems odd and suspicious that the seller would use the term.  It suggests that he / she has a toe in the financial industry, maybe on the shady periphery (e.g., touting penny stocks).  Anyway, the whole pitch is very hyped and therefore suspicious.  "Very rare" my a**.

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"Tightly held" is a finance term, used to refer to a company whose shares are mostly owned by a small group (e.g., family) and not generally offered for sale.  It seems odd and suspicious that the seller would use the term.  It suggests that he / she has a toe in the financial industry, maybe on the shady periphery (e.g., touting penny stocks).  Anyway, the whole pitch is very hyped and therefore suspicious.  "Very rare" my a**.


My questions are only about the authenticity of the variety. How did the seller acquired it from Dan who found it ? Has the seller tasted the fruit himself? Is it Will C the founder of Our Figs ? I'm still waiting for a reply from the seller too.

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Yea but how did it got out if the founder was closely guarding it? So is the cuttings on offer the real deal?


All of your questions are well founded. It would be nice to know how this person got ahold of it, but if it is from a trusted grower, I imagine they would be honest. However, I also agree with jrdewhirst. When a sales pitch uses terms such as "very rare" "ultra rare" "hard to find" etc. it does throw up a red flag. Hopefully someone will chime in with good info.

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Hi Vinny :) the Wills selling BB10 is indeed WillsC from ourfigs.. They are surely the real deal as well. The reason he refers to them as" tightly held" is bc of the way this variety was literally held onto so tightly by Dan from Louisiana. Hope that helps some :)
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Hi Vinny :) the Wills selling BB10 is indeed WillsC from ourfigs.. They are surely the real deal as well. The reason he refers to them as" tightly held" is bc of the way this variety was literally held onto so tightly by Dan from Louisiana. Hope that helps some :)


Thanks good to know that his source is Dan. Now i can carry on bidding.
Cheers

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It is Wills from "the other forum"
It is rare
It is closely held
It is a great fig says good friend who has one

Do a Google search on "Black Beauty Fig"  Loads of info

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It is Wills from "the other forum"
It is rare
It is closely held
It is a great fig says good friend who has one

Do a Google search on "Black Beauty Fig"  Loads of info

He said "it found its way out". All I wanted to know was, what he meant by that statement. Did it mean that he got it from dan ? or someone else who got it from dan gave it to him etc. Also I wanted to make sure it was the real wills as nowaydays we get a lot of scam going around.

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If historical posts are to be believed, there is only one original source for the BB10 which is an unknown but considered high quality cultivar and that is Dan. Dan had discovered the plant which was likely either a sport / mutation of a known or unknown variety or the result of natural pollination / cross between two naturally occurring figs in the discovery area. Regardless, the BB10, as it was named, was, according to his own assessment, above and beyond in terms of quality. How the BB10 came out of Dan's private holding and into wider distribution is unknown but once the genie was out of the bottle several more folks acquired it. One of those second line folks then made it available to others and became the common source for the plants and cuttings now finally being made available to other enthusiasts on ebay. The current offerings on ebay are by Wills from OurFigs and by Dave who is a member here and on OurFigs. Both are highly respected and trustworthy sources of figs and there are not many that would dispute the authenticity of the figs that they are providing on ebay. There are a few others that also have the BB10, including "pukzpukz" who is a member of both fig forums as well as on Rafed's FB and who recently posted that he will be doing a benefit auction for a BB10 plant from his own inventory in late winter as well as making cuttings available some time after that. I believe that Pukzpukz also posted that his source for the BB10 was the same as the others. Pukzpukz also frequently sells figs and other plants on ebay and is very involved in the LSU fig research and development program; I believe that all of the LSU varieties, either formally released or still under review are his specialty. In any case, those are the three sources of BB10 that I am aware of; I am one of the actively engaged and interested bidders on ebay for this variety as I have no qualms about the authenticity of the cultivar and consider the sellers to be of the highest order and trust worthiness. There are F4F members who sell varieties on ebay, including BM, whose names are synonymous with value, integrity, quality and generosity; we all know who they are and we look forward to their auctions and bid on their inventory without concern, I personally have bought quite a bit from them myself, these BB10 sellers are on the same order as far as I am concerned.
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Hello Danny,yes I acquired the BB10 from the same parent tree as Dan did.......I have planted it , tested it and lives up to all expectations  !!!
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If historical posts are to be believed, there is only one original source for the BB10 which is an unknown but considered high quality cultivar and that is Dan. Dan had discovered the plant which was likely either a sport / mutation of a known or unknown variety or the result of natural pollination / cross between two naturally occurring figs in the discovery area. Regardless, the BB10, as it was named, was, according to his own assessment, above and beyond in terms of quality. How the BB10 came out of Dan's private holding and into wider distribution is unknown but once the genie was out of the bottle several more folks acquired it. One of those second line folks then made it available to others and became the common source for the plants and cuttings now finally being made available to other enthusiasts on ebay. The current offerings on ebay are by Wills from OurFigs and by Dave who is a member here and on OurFigs. Both are highly respected and trustworthy sources of figs and there are not many that would dispute the authenticity of the figs that they are providing on ebay. There are a few others that also have the BB10, including "pukzpukz" who is a member of both fig forums as well as on Rafed's FB and who recently posted that he will be doing a benefit auction for a BB10 plant from his own inventory in late winter as well as making cuttings available some time after that. I believe that Pukzpukz also posted that his source for the BB10 was the same as the others. Pukzpukz also frequently sells figs and other plants on ebay and is very involved in the LSU fig research and development program; I believe that all of the LSU varieties, either formally released or still under review are his specialty. In any case, those are the three sources of BB10 that I am aware of; I am one of the actively engaged and interested bidders on ebay for this variety as I have no qualms about the authenticity of the cultivar and consider the sellers to be of the highest order and trust worthiness. There are F4F members who sell varieties on ebay, including BM, whose names are synonymous with value, integrity, quality and generosity; we all know who they are and we look forward to their auctions and bid on their inventory without concern, I personally have bought quite a bit from them myself, these BB10 sellers are on the same order as far as I am concerned.

Thank you.

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Sounds like a really nice fig, there may be a lot more trees out there, maybe friends or neighbors of the owner of the original tree received cuttings from the Baton Rouge mother tree and are not members of the forum and do not know the value of what they have.

This is an interesting thread of the find by Dan. Great fig, hope to get one some day as do many other members. Good luck with the auctions, two good fig people.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/fmv-free-black-ischia-fig-discovered-in-louisiana-5395455?highlight=baton+rouge&pid=1284317120
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Thanks a lot for all the replies and happy new year everyone from UK.
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Happy New Year all! Best wishes for a healthy, happy, prosperous and fruitful 2017 New Year AND HAPPY FIG HUNTING!!!!
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Yes All the ones that have Listed The BB-10 on eBay Wills Dave have this rare Fig so no worries and this will be in high demand for a long period of time everyone wanted this from Dan and now that it is available I see the demand  going up. I really want to Thank CajunB Brain for the research and his time he has spent on this one it is awesome.    
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I do think if you ask WillsC he got the BB-10 from CajunB and Not Dan
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Here is a Link https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/114357-dan-s-black-beauty-10  WillsC is thanking Brain so the rumors would be false
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Dan was going to openly share it with members of this forum until he blew up at Jon and some of the members of this forum. after Dan blew up in time he made it clear that only his best friends will ever have Black Beauty 10.

Yes it's the same Will that owns our figs, I have heard rumors, Dan joined the our figs forum and suddenly he was blocked from the forum shortly after he gave Will Black Beauty 10.


Dan was not banned from OurFigs. There was a large misunderstanding on his part, he believed he was being censored (in reality he did not understand that OurFigs comments collapse to save space). Despite being reassured he was not being censored, he chose to remove himself from the forum.

Also, he did not give Wills BB10, however Wills does have the real deal. Please stop spreading assumptions, Alan.
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I agree with you Babylon, I can understand where you are coming from as far as assumptions go, beginnings of a rumor. Wills deserves better. But what I can't understand is why you would all of a sudden sign up on F4F and start causing havoc with James when you do not know the whole situation with his project. It seems to be a great coincidence that you know a lot about OurFigs, Dan, BB10, Wills and other things. Why haven't you mentioned James venture on OurFigs? You said that you can't give your real name, is that because you were a past member under another forum name and have come back to troll? Really, both forums are great forums with outstanding members so why would you come over here to cause problems that you would not post on the OurFigs forum? It's not nice.
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It is such a shame that this forum has become a cesspool!

The rumors, assumption, mud slinging and slander...  the majority of you should be ashamed.

Slam me all you want children, I'm done here. 
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It's time to move on folks. There are plenty of other black figs out there.

How but those figs????

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Dennis, you’re so right. There are a lot of wonderful black figs out there. How could any black fig be better than Black Madeira/Figo Preto, Col de Dame Noir, Galicia Negra, Genovese Nero AF Rafed's, Ronde de Bordeaux, Unknown Pastillere, and Violette de Bordeaux? There are at least ten others in my garden that didn’t fruit this year but may be their equal or better next year. And that’s just the black ones, not even starting on the other colors. Let’s hear it for diversity, quality and quantity.
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Hey guys,

Common its just a fig. The description were unclear on wills auction hence why I asked. I also pm'd wills to which he replied. Now its clear that few people own this variety and its a fact.

Cogardner,

This forum hasn't become a cesspool. My understanding is that a forum is a place to discuss rumors, assumptions and also to debate arrguments to succefully come to a conclusion. I really hope you return and continue to offer your expertise.

Finally,
I hope more members join this forum this year and contribute substancially to the fig community. We are all humans regardless of caste, relegion, coulour or race and we shoukd all love each other. If i have offended anyone in 2016, I sincerely appologise and would like to reinstate our friendship if possible.

Happy New Year

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Finally,
I hope more members join this forum this year and contribute substancially to the fig community. We are all humans regardless of caste, religion, coulour or race and we should all love each other.

Totally agree Vinny.I am happy to hear the topic is clear now.Hope I will bring some BB10 cuttings soon from the original sources.

Happy new year to all .

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People join, People leave. Some come back, some don't.

I'm with Dennis. How bout them figs?!

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I'll also say that I enjoy this forum more than any other forum It has it's quirks, but it's a place of immense information that doesn't exist anywhere else. Here's to 2017!!!


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Have a happy and prosperous new year to members on all forums, may you get the fig varieties that you wish for the most.
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A good friend ,posted this quote a while back..
" the best fig in the world ..is the one in my mouth!!!"
How about them figs Dennis..

Happy and prosperous new year my friends!

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All forums have a bit of drama. I belong to a mushroom forum, and it's the same. When you have so many people from diverse backgrounds, there is bound to be occasional friction. I love this forum, although I am very new. I hope everyone has a great new year! Oh...........and how about them figs?
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CajunB is Brian, great fig grower from Louisiana, I have purchased some good cuttings and plants from him.
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By the way, the overwhelming MAJORITY of members on this forum are outstanding people, thanks for all the help that I have received from you. It's really nice to see the questions coming from the new members and the senior members giving advice and encouragement. To all the new members, I've been there, and so have the experienced members.
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Every year somehow or other there is a new "hot" fig. I've posted about this subject  over many years and there is no way of determining why or how this happens to a particular variety. I am around long enough to remember when Dan first spoke about this on F4F and on his Cajun Fig blog.
Looks like this one is the "it" fig this year. Congrats to all who have it and to those selling it.


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I have a few unknowns black figs. Maybe one of them in 2017 may turnout to be BB10

Anyway, it can only be as good as zonal requirements allow it to be.
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I don't see how this fig is different from the many other Black Mission type fig. I am curious to see someone post a pic of them all together. Black Mission, Maltese Falcon, Abebereira, Noire De Caromb, Napolitana Negra, Italian Black Becnel and Black Beauty 10. There has to be something unique about it, other than the source.
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I read this entire post with a smile of amusement.  This is what happens to the Dutch Tulip Craze when you move it forward a few centuries and add the Internet.  Best wishes to everyone referenced directly or indirectly in this post.
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  We have quite a little bit to live up to, to rival the tulip frenzy...  a top cultivar during that time commanded 10 to 14 times the annual salary of a gifted craftsman of the day.  So, we would need to see a fig start pulling in $600k to $950k or thereabouts. 
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The difference is in the taste.........this fig is in a league by itself !
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Thanks Tony and Pukzpukz for authenticating the BB10 cuttings I am selling "Happy New Year to everyone"   
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Dave, I see you are in the northeast, have you grown this fig in the NE? If so, in ground or pot and when does it fruit in the NE? Thanks
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Tulip Mania did reach an absurd level, in fact it sent Holland into an economic depression. But that does not mean this is not the same concept, just different variables. For instance figs are propagated 10x faster, and they are not new or popular. So the bubbles blow up and burst much quicker, especially for varieties that are "mysterious" because they don't really interest experienced growers who are willing to pay but not willing to waste their time. 
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The same thing can be seen in the backyard chicken world. Chicks from some of the most reliably productive and/or tasty breeds can be had for a few dollars all day long, but it's not unusual for newly imported and introduced breeds from Europe to sell for twenty or thirty times that. After a year or two, when 2nd and 3rd generation chicks start hitting the online market the price drops dramatically. By that time, the new rare breed jackpot is right there lined up to take its place.
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Rayvino I'm selling the  BB10 cuttings and some others for a friend "Hershell" Hershell got his plant from WillisC on Ourfigs if you know Hershell who is a member of both forums builds greenhouses for a living and travels all over working and doesn't have time to sell his cuttings so I am helping him out this year 
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Very nice of you Dave
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Rayvino I'm selling the  BB10 cuttings and some others for a friend "Hershell" Hershell got his plant from WillisC on Ourfigs if you know Hershell who is a member of both forums builds greenhouses for a living and travels all over working and doesn't have time to sell his cuttings so I am helping him out this year 

Can't see it on eBay Dave

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Vinny

Bognor Regis, United Kingdom

Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. 

My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1
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Vinny,

Dave's BB10 eBay auction for a cutting package concluded on 1/1 at 7:00 PM... I don't have insight into his future plans / inventory regarding same... perhaps Dave can provide that color...

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Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY
WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra
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