Topics

Black Ischia

I don't believe that the UC strain always shows extreme fmv symptoms. Mine looks pretty clean. Harvey has had good luck with grafting his, it seems to grow well. Though mine is not a fast grower, it seems quite healthy.
IMG_3919.JPG 
IMG_3917.JPG 


Gary that looks great! I am not sure then that there is a difference between IB from Encanto and IB from UC Davis.

@Livetaswim06 I don't think myself or anyone else is calling into question the authenticity of the plants that Jon sells; as far as I know, he deals with known and familar varieties and he correctly labels them; I always check out his ebay sales looking for buying opportunities which I would not do if I didn't believe in his product. I am suggesting that if he sold you a cuttings AS Ischia Black UCD strain or Ischia Black  the same as UCD, it would not have been for $5 a stick. He is a businessman and these cuttings can go for up to $100 a stick when the bidding frenzy hits people, he is smart enough to know their value. Now, if he GIFTED you authentic IB cuttings for that amount in the same manner as Karla and others have done with their plant then kudos to Jon and congratulations to you. But if he sold you Blue Ischia cuttings then you should not take liberties and by extension say that they are the same as IB UCD  and that their FMV infection proves it. Take the time to read ALL of the forum posts on Ischia Black back across all the years that this forum has existed and you will see a lot of back and forth on the subject discussing the varieties and the pretenders to the label. Do it with an open mind and you will find that Blue Ischia has been around and is still around and is sold by a number of folks and those same folks also sell the IB UCD although not too frequently since it tend to be a bear to grow ungrafted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by livetaswim06


Haha I bought all 2 that were being sold. One was traded away for figo preto and the other is leafing out happily. I think Jon purposefully labels his cuttings with alternate names so as to be able to offer cuttings at a lower price. His were labelled blue ischia which is the same as black according to his own site, this one. 


Seriously? You think that Jon purposefully labels his cuttings with alternate names so as to be able to offer cuttings at a lower price?

"His were labelled blue ischia which is the same as black according to his own site" Or perhaps they were really BLUE ISCHIA!

"One was traded away for figo preto".... Question... di you trade it as Blue Ischia as it was labeled or did you trade it as Black Ischia / Ischia Black? Several generations down the propagation road, will folks be getting Ischia Black or Blue Ischia labelled as Ischia Black?

See the potential problem? Buyer beware!

Tony, Blue Ischia and Black Ischia are the same according to some sources. There is no real point to arguing over which is which without having tasted the fruit. As far as trading I made it very clear what it was and where it came from, in fact I didn't think it would root. This is sort of derailing the conversation at hand and I would be happy to PM with you! Back to your previously scheduled programming.

@livetaswim06 I really am done with the conversation as I don't appear to be getting anywhere... My bottom line is that in one post in the thread above you stated that you bought IB from Jon for $5. Then in a follow-up thread you stated: "I think Jon purposefully labels his cuttings with alternate names so as to be able to offer cuttings at a lower price. His were labelled blue ischia which is the same as black according to his own site".

Listen, if his were labeled as blue ischia then you have no real rationale for starting to refer to them as Ischia Black other than 'they are the same according to his web site'. Dude, if he wanted them known as Ischia Black he would have labeled then that; he is not a trickster.... Even if they ARE the same... YOU should not be changing the label to Ischia Black because it has more cachet than "Blue Ischia"... Do what ever you want with the fig just don't go relabeling it as something different than the person that provided you with the variety... THAT causes  confusion and worse.... 

DONE....

I think this illustrates the message I am trying to convey.

    Attached Images

  • Click image for larger version - Name: 4b52dff01dd902d9358643c2ea9a5bdd.jpg, Views: 17, Size: 51512

Your message is unacceptable.

I may have second thoughts in this one.I just read
these don't do as well in the south,maybe because of
the humidity.Living in Louisiana may be a problem.
Has anyone in the southern states had any success?

Just want to clear up and say that Blue Ischia is not necessarily Black Ischia. I don't really know the difference, but will grow it out and report back as to what comes out of it. Back to your regularly scheduled programming! :)

Okay, so my name has been brought here and by some PMs so I enter the discussion.

The list of synonyms on the F4F variety list is just information Jon shares.  He makes no assurance that this information is accurate.  This was discussed at length years ago after I purchased Black Provence from Mr. Watts that had been sold as Black Ischia since it was listed as a synonym at F4F.  It produced a fruit with a light pulp although now that I have a strong population of wasps in the area it is usually (not always) red.

Jon lists source for his information.  The Black Ischia synonyms shown came from Ray Givens.  An archived copy of Givens' information is at http://figs4fun.com/links/FigLink006e.pdf  At the same time, the F4F variety listing for Ischia Black does not list these synonyms.

Jon has several accessions of Black Ischia, etc.  They are not all the same.  The AD accession definitely is not the same as what is held at USDA Wolfskill and is believed by some to be the same as VdB (I do not grow this accession).  New England Gardener (Tom Clery) sold Black Ischia that he got from USDA as well as from Encanto.  He does not post much here other than to share his videos but, as I recall, at one time he said that he was not sure which of his trees was from Davis and which was from Encanto but he apparently got that cleared up.  A few years ago he sold one tree of each and I purchased them both and they do appear to be the same to me.  But, again, it is important to know what accession you are talking about when you refer to Jon's Black Ishcia.

Here is an old discussion that demonstrates the uncertainty with some accessions: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5114507

Harvey, thank you for the input, you are a treasure to this community. I have learned a lot about figs, but still have a ways to go. For now for all concerned my fig is a BLUE Ischia so as not to create any confusion. If they are similar that is great, but I won't know anything until fruit develops.

I have reached out to Jon to inquire as to more details regarding this particular accession.

At the end of the day both should produce great figs.

Hey Harvey, the one thing I remember when we were at UCD is that although they have both Black Ischia and Violet de Bordeaux, their Violet de Bordeax did not show FMV.  But their BI looked very bad.  Both are dwarf trees but I don't think they are the same.  I have 2 large Black Ischias from UCD that I rooted from cuttings years ago and neither are hardy.  My VdB came from there too and it's 6 feet tall and does not need any winterization in my climate.  Both are in 26g pots.  

I have videos of these trees at UCD.  One of my videos were never uploaded to Youtube.  This is the one with most footage of the Black Ischia.  One of the BI at UCD has died but it was coming back from the root ball the last time Jon and I visited it.

Dennis... please post your second video when you have a spare cycle...

Ah, Tony.  Perhaps you've not leaned everything you need to know about men and women.  To help get you started I'll let you know that men don't cycle unless it has 2 wheels.  :)

Of course you were talking about clock cycles...

Lol... sorry Bob... Didn't mean to be ambiguous... I wasn't talking about THAT kind of cycle or THAT kind of cycle either... I was referring to computer cycles.. bandwidth, etc.... lol...

Sure, Anton, glad to help.  Many fig varieties have had some confusing histories.

Reply Cancel
Subscribe Share Cancel