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I was lucky to recieve a bunch of nice breba from my brothers tree in Brooklyn  NY. They are from a tree which I believe is a Brunswick variant. This tree does not split/sour like brunswick does. Also has a fairly tight eye on its main crop. Mother tree is loaded with Breba this year,average weight was about 150grams. Nice flavor and sweet taste too. Thought I would share the pictures. Angelo  Zone 7a NY

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Nice crop. Reminds me of Paradiso which also has large breba and finger like leaves.  Brunswick/Paradiso may be one in the same.
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Dominick,    I agree it looks a lot like paradiso.I have a paradiso, but it does not perform as well as this. This tree has not showed any sign of any FMV and the fruit is much better tasting. Also the main crop on this has a fairly tight eye unlike my paradiso.....Angelo Zone 7a NY
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Yeah I am not a fan but mine is in container. I have no experience with Brunswick.
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I had the good fortune to go over to Angelo's house and taste a few of these"hand grenades".  One of the best tasting breba figs I have ever eaten. I am lucky enough to have a plant and can't wait for the main crop.  No hollow center or open eyes on this variety but it does look a lot like brunswick.  I also had a paradisio and got rid of it.
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Ed, Its always a pleasure having you over,glad you were able to try these figs and enjoy them. I promise you the main crop is even better.This is the best tasting fig out of many that I have tried from Brooklyn. Luckily I still have many friends and family still there. Here is picture of my white Italian unknown breba. Taste on this fig was OK ,but not as good as the"HAND GRENADE FIGS'. Note the purple staining around the meat of the fig..... Angelo zone 7a NY

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Your brown fig could also be Doree or Goutte d'Or.
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That's really unusual.  I've never seen a fig stain the surrounding area darker than its own pulp.
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Leon, Dont know anything about Doree or Goutte D'or , but thanks for the clue. I will research those figs. Bob,I thought too that it was unusual. I have picked main crop in numerous years past and never noticed the purple stain .This was the first time I  was able to cut open a breba. Will give this tree closer attention this time around to see whats inside. The main crop is very large also and has nice sweet taste. Will post picture of outside of this fig soon.    thanks      Angelo zone7a Ny
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Here are some pictures of another.     Angelo Zone7A  NY

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Angelo....

Just to clarify....these figs came from your brother's tree?  Correct?  So far, it's an unknown variety?

Are you growing this tree also?

It looks like a very nice "variety" that's worth growing.  "Brooklyn Hand-Granade".  Good name.

Is your brother's tree in-ground, and does he protect it for the Winter?  Does he use  limestone as a top dressing around the tree?

The devil is always in the details....

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Frank, Both of these tree's are from my brother's yard in Brooklyn. These trees are huge, uncovered every year and limestone is ammended into soil regularly.They have been in ground from the start. The 'hand grenade" variety was planted personally by my brother about 20 years ago. The purple stained one was planted more than 40 years ago. My brother discovered the hand grenade fig while doing some work on a clients home in Bay Ridge. There they were in a bowl on the kitchen table when my brother was offered to try one. The home was owned by an Italian family. He asked them where the tree was from,and they told him the tree was always there when they purchased the home from yet another Italian family. To their knowledge the tree was from southern Italy. Also I am growing this tree both in pots and in ground. My trees are only three years old however. I am in suffolk county and the trees have shown to be hardy for this zone.This year they are with many fruit.    Angelo  Zone 7A NY
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Hello fellows,

That violaceous rim rang my bell. With figs we are never sure but I think that we are talking about a variety which was cultivated in California (certainly in a small scale) by the 4th quarter of the 19th century, taken in by emigrants or imported by the Dep of Agriculture.

Eisen, in view of the fruit properties, size,high yelds, flavors and resistance to transportation recommended that it should be adopted by local growers for bigger commercial productions. I would not be surprised that it still grows somewhere in that state

Here, this is our LAMPO BRANCO breba, a San Pedro type like its BLACK brother (LAMPO PRETO). Not the same aspect, shape, color, flavors etc.. a total different fig but again very tasty, sweet and not watery at all.

It is an early, and excellent fruit..The fig in the attached picture was picked up by the end of last May. The bigger one hanging from the tree was not picked up as it was not ripe. It was big! for sure well in excess of 200 grams.

I understand that all of you would welcome cuttings fom the 'mother land' some time after the fall. I can get some, problem are the bureaucracies. We have to devise a system!
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Angelo....

Thanks so much for documenting the background of these trees.  I love to read the history behind the trees that have given delight to generations of owners.

Now, I'm clear..."the "Brooklyn Hand-Granade" and the purple-stain figs are off different trees. 

Very interesting that the trees are uncovered, and that he does use limestone as a top dressing.  Bet the limestone made those figs taste better.  Even more interesting....no evidence of FMV.

Thanks again for answering these questions, and filling in the rest of the story. 

Seeing these figs makes me want to specialize in collecting good, proven, winner-figs, from ethnic neighborhoods...especially the Italian figs.  These are the figs that are worthy of propagating, so they can live on....and they should live on, and be coveted by new owners.

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Francisco,  Wow there is striking similarities between your Lampa Branco and my unknown white fig. The white fig is a two crop fig however.No caprification needed. Very nice ,thanks for chiming in.  Frank, you and I are thinking the same. After trying so many varieties with very mixed results, I realized further the value of these unknown varieties. Most of these figs were snuck in to the country by  Italian immigrants .They are not common varieties , I see unique characteristics in many of them. There are many types I am trying out right now.I will post whenever I have something interesting.   Angelo Zone 7a NY
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Angelo...

Can you describe the main-crop figs on the "Brooklyn Hand-Granade"?

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We Have to take in account that the Summer was very dry,and the Spring was dry too.
In the 2011 climatic condition,that we had,that is when Brunswick does not shine.
We have more Summer looking like 2011 Summer than like 2012 Spring and Summer was.
So I say ,take it in account.
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Frank , Main crop on this tree is a large fig with amber/pink interior. Taste is excellent , sweet with a lingering fig flavor. Herman I have observed this fig for many years,it is in the family. Last year with all the rain we had , it held on without splitting/souring longer than many other varieties. I am confident it is a good performer,unlike what Brunswick does.I am familiar with the failures of Paradiso and brunswick for I have had both.  See pictures of main crop from last August.   Angelo Zone7A NY

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Angelo....

A sweet ending to a very interesting thread.  I love to see these ethnic figs.  They are truly gifts that keep on giving, and  far better than a lot of the fancy-schmancy, FMV-diseased figs that all too frequently eclipse the solid performers like this.

Bravo! De Tomaso Bros.

Frank

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Frank, Thanks for the compliment,glad you appeciated the thread.Check your mail.      Angelo zone7a NY
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OK ,Angelo:Good,That means it is not a Brunswick after all,even if it looks like one .
I also had a fig that look like Brunswick but was much better in rain,and so it did not have a name and I called it Long Brown Honey.
Definitely not Brunswick the way it was behaving ,doing well here much better than the three Brunswick i had,called:Red Italian,Brunswick,and Madona.
Here is a pix of my Long Brown Honey:

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Herman, We might have the same tree.Those pictures look exactly like mine. How does your fruit taste?Also sounds like a suitable name for it. Thanks for sharing pictures of your tree....Angelo Zone 7A NY
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Maybe the "Brooklyn Hand-Granade"  =  "Long Brown Honey"...definitely not a Brunswick...and, the plot thickens...

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Now, we need a name for the "Purple Stain" fig....something more poetic...how about the Italian version of "Wine Stain"?  Translate those two words.


"Macchia di Vino"   How's that sound?  : )


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Macchia Di Vino sounds exotic........ Angelo Zone 7A NY
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Yes....exotic, and, a bit mysterious.

"Ummm....a ripe, "Macchia di Vino" fig -("Wine Stain" fig)?   I will bite into it and see just why it has such a strange name"....  "Ah...that's why"!


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Angelo....

You say that you have in-ground and potted versions of these trees. 

How do you overwinter the containerized trees?

Are they stored in a shed / garage?

Thanks,

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Angelo....

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Frank, sorry for the delay in the response.Had a long day at work today.Anyhow,I store all my potted trees in an unheated/detached garage including these two varieties.Also I have some trees inground including the large brown fig.My inground trees have been wrapped in their early years only. Angelo NY Zone 7A
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Angelo....

I "knew" you were busy...I was just curious about the containerized figs, and what you do to keep them alive.

So, now I know.

Thanks.  Don't work so hard.

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Hi Angelo....

Just browsing through some older postings and then...I remembered your trees.

How are they doing this season?  If you have the time, and it's not too much trouble, can you post some updated photos of the "Brooklyn Hand-Granade" and "Macchia di Vino" figs.

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Frank, The trees are doing nicely this year.Mother trees in brooklyn are loaded with fruit. My trees are still somewhat young,but with fruit. I will post new pictures soon. .....Angelo
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Hello Herman,

Are the leaves in the picture of the Long Brown fig the same as Angelo's fig's leaves?  I couldn't see your fig's leaves clearly.  Your fig sure looks good.

So do your figs, Angelo.

I wonder how that Long Brown fig would do down here?  (No surprise, there.....)

Hi Franco!  :)

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Thanks for the compliment Noss .  Angelo
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 Now, we need a name for the "Purple Stain" fig....something more poetic...how about the Italian version of "Wine Stain"?  Translate those two words.


"Macchia di Vino"   How's that sound?  : )


Frank, that does sound poetic.  But in reading above and looking at the pictures supplied by Francisco (lampo), does it also match the Lampo Branco fig that he described as having been written about from Eisen long ago?  What did Eisen call it?
  
I do like your name though... just interested to know, do you guys (Angelo and Frank) think that's the same fig as the one Francisco wrote about?  

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Mike....

I really do not know too much about fig varieties, but Francisco mentions ( post #13) that the Lampo figs were grown in California, and are of the San Pedro-type of fig...that needs a wasp for main-crop pollination.  From what I've read, that wasp, cannot live on the Eastcoast.  While the two figs do look similar, I'm not too sure they could be the same variety.  That would be my guess.



Angelo....

Thanks for the updated information.  Looking forward to seeing pix. Much obliged.

Frank



HERMAN.....How is YOUR "Long Brown Honey" fig doing?
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Angelo:

I just read the "Barese White/White Barese" thread posted back in August-'11, and the comments surrounding the Belleclare Nursery provenance for this particular variety.

For the record...Do you now think that the "wine stain' fig is really the "Barese White" from Belleclare Nursery?  Is this fig variety also known as: "White Ischia"?

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Frank, Last year the breba from my Barese White did not display the wine stain. The tree is very young, however this year the breba was identical to my wine stain breba . I do know that my white unknown comes from Bari,Italy.They may indeed be the same as the leaves also look similar.As per Ischia white ,I  believe that is alltogether a separate variety...Angelo
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Hello Angelo
Those are beautiful looking figs!
I keep going back to look at them, enjoy.
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Vito,   Glad you enjoy them. Thanks for the compliment.    Angelo
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Thanks Angelo.  Very interesting information about your special, heirloom trees.  May they continue to flourish, and give everyone pleasurable treats for many, many, years.

Have a good harvest.

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Shoot... Totally forgot about this awesome fig tree. Adding to wish list Brooklyn Hand Grenade :-)

Love the wine stain rim
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I thanked you so many times. Thank you again Angelo.

I really look forward with this cultivar. "Wine stain" markings looks entrancing. I love it. I am currently in search of wine stain figs, or purple insides. I am proud to add your to my collection

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Here are some pictures of another.     Angelo Zone7A  NY
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What are the biggest fig varieties?
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Angelo...

If not too much trouble, can you post photos of the original trees and some snap-shots of this year's figs.

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Inline image Inline image Inline image Inline image                                                        Frank , My Brother pruned back both of these trees last fall, so I will not have many Breba this year. However , I did find a few old pictures.  Angelo
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Both of mine are HUGE, thank you again Angelo
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Hi Jennifer, Glad to hear your plants are doing well. I'll have to wait about a month or so till my main crop gets ripe.      Angelo
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Hi Angelo
I have one of the Brooklyn hand grenade from your cuttings thank you ,I'ts doing good it is over two feet tall, is the Brooklyn hand-grenade the fig with the wine stain?
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Hello Vito ,  The Brooklyn HG is the brown fig . The wine stain is from the breba crop of a large white fig from Bari Italy.  Angelo
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