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This has been one of my favorite white figs last year and this year. We've had the worst week of weather for figs. We've had record lows at night in the 40's and highs in the 60's and constant rain.
This fig looks a little rough on the outside due to the weather, but tasted delicious. (Pure honey) I know they will get even better when the heat comes back.

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Congratulations thanks for sharing and I hope they do get better.
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Art, thanks for sharing. I hope you are right about,  when the heat comes back.
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Is this the Trees of Joy Brooklyn White or the "nature-park" Brooklyn White, or...?
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Tony, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure it came from Giuseppe in upstate NY.
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I don't know what the Trees of Joy Brooklyn White leaves look like but the nature-park Brooklyn White leaves look like White Marseilles, that is they look like a Mount Etna fig leaf.

I've seen fig trees traded or sold as Marseilles (white) that do not have that Mount Etna leaf shape but have the shape of trees sold as Italian Honey and Lattarula and similar to Lemon/Blanche. I've also seen fig trees traded or sold as Marseilles (white) that do have the Mount Etna leaf shape. Of these that I know, the nature-park Brooklyn White seems to be easily the most hardy and most productive. In my experience so far, its nearest competitor among light figs in these dual categories is Binello.

I put Brooklyn White and Binello in ground last summer as rooted cuttings. They died to the ground over winter yet grew back this summer and look as though they will both ripen fruit this season.

I would be interested in anyone else's knowledge of cold hardy, early ripening light figs.
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Nice fig! Thank you for sharing.

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I am just about to harvest my BW breba. Fully agree this is an excellent tasting fig & productive
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There's been talk about underrated figs. Well this is my most underrated fig. I don't know why there isn't much talk about this one. I've been eating this one for weeks. It's one of my favorite white figs. Today it scored a 10 and a 9 by my wife and I. Also this one has a nice crunch.

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Would be great if you could post the leaf shapes at some point. I have a feeling that the "Brooklyn White" figs in circulation are like the "Marseilles" or "Marseilles White" figs in circulation, in that single names represent multiple cultivars. As I noted previously, some Marseilles cultivars have the same fig shape as the dark Mount Etna cultivars or strains, while other Marseilles cultivars have very differently shaped leaves, seeming a lot like Verte and Green Ischia and so on.
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Tony, I will get some pictures tomorrow.
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One of the best whites.
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Art / Leon,

Were your trees slow to grow? I received from Jazzbass in 2011. This was the year I rooted in moss and planted directly into the ground (near Austin, TX). Four seasons later it is a single trunk and stands a whopping 20 inches tall. I was planning on layering the top to bring it to Denver, but now I'm thinking of digging the tree up. If it is not happy where it is, why not move the whole thing?
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James, Actually mine is a pretty good grower.
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Thank you for sharing. I had started a cutting this year & 2 days ago something (probably a rabbit) knocked over the pot & pulled it out exposing the roots to 100 degree weather. I tried soaking the root ball in water for 24hrs but it didn't help. It was a heartbreaking to see all the time & work & love put into a tree to have some varmint have its way with it. I've been working such long hours I didn't get to check on the trees till it was too late that day. It was sold to me as Brooklyn White.
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Thanks Art. I think I need to dig it up and bring it to Denver next year. There are a few varieties which seem to struggle more than others in the heat.
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This is one of my favorite white figs for its productivity, flavor, and vigor. This was one of my first figs, collected it with my dad from a neighborhood in Brooklyn that had Greeks and Italians.
My dad's tree was about 20 ft tall last summer, it died back and it grow one to about 10-15 ft already.
One thing with this fig is they don't ripen early usually about 2 weeks after my hardy Chicago. But it does make nice size brebas.
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My Brooklyn White is in the ground, full sun, west facing side of the house. The first three years was very slow growing. This year, it took off and is growing as a bush. It has been covered during the winter months with burlap and foil insulation. It is a prolific bearer. The eye is a little more open than most of my figs but I have yet to have insect problems and this fig does not seem to spoil or split under our monsoon rains. The flavor is excellent and long lasting. They are just starting to ripen in my area and they take longer to ripen then some of my other figs. In comparison, my Aldo's figs can literally swell three times their size in a matter of days and are ready to eat. Brooklyn lingers before it softens. Also, mine are not so easy to remove from the tree.
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Here's the leaf pattern.

Leon, Does this match yours.

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Art, those leaves don't look like anything I have, I think, at least not like my Brooklyn White (nature-park), which has Mt Etna shaped leaves that look like my Marseilles Black (VS) and other Mt Etna cultivars. My Brooklyn White was a vigorous rooter and is a strong young grower and fruiter, even after die-back to ground.

On the other hand, my White Marseilles leaves from Petals From The Past do not have the Mt. Etna shape and look similar to your Brooklyn White leaves and maybe to Bass/TOJ Brooklyn White leaves. But the same, I don't know. The PFTP young White Marseilles trees died back in their first year last year and haven't fruited this year, so no fruit to compare. Maybe others can speak to their PFTP WM fruit.

The Bass / Trees of Joy Brooklyn White below (or at link). I can't tell if the Bass BW has Mt. Etna shaped leaves or ones more similar to your BW leaves.

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Art,

Looks very delicious that BW!

I know what you are talking about weatherwise.

After a long hot period summer stopped and it got pretty cold...i hope it will warm up again very soon.
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I would like to send some of my summer up to you.
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Wayne, I tell you what, I would pay big bucks if I could have one more month of hot weather. I would get to eat some good figs.
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 This soiunds like a goody!.. Is Bronx white the same as Brooklyn white?  I have Bronx white from a tree rescued by Jimmy Chaos
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Tony (Hllyhll),
Bass' Brooklyn White, Arts Brooklyn White and White Marseilles PP (Petals) are three different figs. The White Marseilles PP is similar to Latarulla and Italian Honey, Ribbed figs with large sized seeds. Bass's Brooklyn White is a large fig with a flat bottom and needs to be fully ripe to develop its maximum flavor and sweetness. Art's is an unknown (to me).
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Good to know, Pete, thanks.

My White Marseilles PP and Italian Honey have grown back from the ground in near identical manner. I'll have to put them into pots to get fruit in the future it seems.

My first ripening Mt Etna-leafed Brooklyn White fruit is just today beginning to swell and - guess what - it looks like it is darkening. Now I wonder if this will be no light fig after all but one of the dark Etna strains. That would seem strange if so because others on the board have talked of their Brooklyn White figs from Nature-Park as light figs. Maybe I got sent a mixed up set of cuttings, will see. Still early.

Top 2 pictures below are a couple of my "Brooklyn White"s - both 1st year after dieback to ground, each with a few figs, one by drive one not. Bottom picture is White Marseilles PP 2nd year after dieback to ground, no figs.

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I'm trying to get my niece to get a picture of the leaves on my tree. By memory, I think it looks like Tony's middle picture.
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What's wrong with this picture?:
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This first ripening "Brooklyn White" fig with the vigorous Mount Etna leaves is not looking so light.
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Same cultivar, better view of typical leaf shape:
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Yet another one year old "Brooklyn White" tree, below (the cuttings rooted and grew like weeds), this one in a pot with extra holes in ground, multiple trunks about 4 feet long, bearing about 40 figs that should ripen. The pot is sunk maybe only 30 percent into loosened ground though most of the pot is covered due to my tossing in yard and woods debris as a type of loose mulch and shading of pot from sun. Weeks ago I plucked off a lot of the upper leaves to allow light in to the fruit area. Also plucked off young upper figs to help ensure that the first lower 40 ripen:
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Maybe it's a Brooklyn Dark?
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Here are my Brooklyn White leaves.
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Leon, fabulous tree. Must be a lot of different types of Brooklyn Whites in circulation, I would guess. Noticed you have Aldo's Palermo Red in your top 3 figs list. Can't wait to try that fruit this year from a first year tree. That's the most appealing unripe fruit I've seen thus far, both shape and color.

Art, My actual Brooklyn Darks are struggling. Next year I'll make sure to set them up a lot better than I have till now.
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Thank you Tony. Actually there should only be one type of Brooklyn White circulating but you can see all the variations floating around. I feel bad for folks who get varieties that are not true to name. You won't find out until it actually produces figs! I've been there as well.
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I'm embarrassed to note that I sold an order of those Brooklyn White NOT (apparently) cuttings on Ebay last fall, and that I included BW NOT cuttings in a dozen other orders, half as part of the paid order, and half as gifts on top of other orders. Either way perpetuates the mistake, which is maddening to think of it continuing.

So now I've got some work to do. I do have the paper receipts, including my notes of what types of non-ordered gift cuttings went to whom, so I can follow up with everyone to clarify the mistake, offer refunds, or come to some other agreeable arrangement. 

I'll wait a week or two to see how the ripened fruit actually looks, make sure it's all coming in dark, and see the interior, so that I can convey that information.

I thought I had confirmation from online information that this fig was what it presented itself as and that there were several Brooklyn White variants in circulation. At least the nature-park Brooklyn White was spoken of by someone other than the seller as a light fig. But now, not least because the first fruit is ripening dark, I have to see that as a flimsy type of confirmation. And it doesn't seem possible now to track down the "nature-park" seller. Lesson learned. And, what a headache.

My apologies to all involved. If I'm missing something on how better to proceed in this circumstance, I would be interested to hear suggestions.
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Yours is a very good policy, Pete:

IMO, the standard policy should be that before you start trading and selling, you should have grown the cultivar and produced at least 1 harvest, with photos to confirm the named cultivar. Several forum members have done this simple procedure for years without DNA testing or excessive guarantees. 

Your policy is surely one of the best ways to go.

That said, it might be worth pointing out that I was able to get a lot of good cuttings to people, including quite a number free cuttings, last year which wouldn't have happened had I strictly followed such a policy. For example, the first problem order I looked at was as follows: I sold 2 Mary Lane, 2 Negronne, 3 Brooklyn White cuttings in a single order, and gifted free on top a cutting each of Hunt, Keddie, and Janice. I had grown and ripened and eaten very good fruit from all those trees - the Hunt, the Keddie, the Janice, the Negronne -- except for the Mary Lane (from a tree from a reputable nursery) and the Brooklyn White. In my opinion, the customer got a good deal despite my mistake. But we'll see what the customer thinks, might be completely different from what I think, and I do think now that I did not know enough about the nature and origins of that Brooklyn White to sell it with the confidence I want to have. I've just now gone ahead and reached out to that customer since that person turned out to be readily reachable by email.

Thanks for the suggestion and link.
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You're welcome, It was only my personal opinion in the discussion, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6700635
I posted only because your PM is disabled.

I was trying not to hijack Art's topic.
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I unblocked my PM for the time being. Had a hard time using it in the past - still seems problematic. My email has always been available. Sorry about any swerving from the post topic. Seems hard to determine sometimes how far the parameters of any given topic might reasonably extend.
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Art,
I somehow missed the fig pictures in post #9.
Are the bottom of the figs flat? That is actually one of the characteristics of the Brooklyn White BS (Bass). Thanks.
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My little over 1 year old tree is already producing really good figs. Definitely a keeper!

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Really nice figs, Dominic! I'd love to get one of those in my mouth! Do the Whites always produce figs of that size? Did you happen to weigh them? Zone 6A like myself.... have to try one of the BW's in my yard and see how it would do... Do you have your tree potted or in ground? How did you over winter it?

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Thanks. Yea they usually weigh around 80 or so grams. I've already eaten like 6 figs so far and there's still many more on the tree. My tree was in a 1 gallon pot last year then half way through the summer I switched it to a 3 gallon pot. This past spring I put it in a 10 gallon pot. The tree has taken off this summer with all the heat. All my trees are stored in a garage. 

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Over the years, I've had several BW fig trees.  One came from a guy in NY.  However, his tree was different from Bass's tree.  His has an open eye and isn't that sweet.  That was years ago.  His tree died since and now I have 2 of Bass's tree.  One is in a 10g pot and has figs on.  This Fall, it will be one of the few that I will plant in my orchard.  It definitely underrated and a keeper in my climate.
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I must have the worse climate possible because I had Brooklyn white from Bass itself,he gave it to me personally,and,I grew them for 4 years,and  had fruits starting second year,but ,all fruits were terrible tasting,watery souring,every one of them so i ended up discarding both trees.
When I see the reviews ,you guys give to this cultivar,I know what kind of local climate i have!.
And indeed the very particular location and position of your garden seem to be very important.
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I think there may be a hundred different Brooklyn Whites. It is really a generic term for a tree from Brooklyn that is light colored. Many trees from Brooklyn came when Italian and Greek immigrants came to this country. Its the same for Brooklyn Dark or Dark or white Greek.
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