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Common figs and pollination

Mic,

The Persistent Caprifig  pollen is used on fig breeding by individuals and/or laboratories involved on creating new fig hybrids of the Common types (Persistent)..
The hybrids Conadria (common), the Desert King (San Pedro) for instance, are  man made figs  from such breeding programs.

This is also interesting reading and a good source of information on the subject:
https://archive.org/stream/caprifigscaprifi319cond#page/n0/mode/2up

Francisco
Portugal

Hi lampo,
Do you still have the link to the infos on the desert king ?
Last time I searched, I found that desert king was found growing in the 1900 in the USA and propagated from that tree. So no human action on desert king from what I have found.

  • mic

Francisco,

Thanks for the link to Condit. Very interesting.

On pages 371-374 it claims some say caprification of common figs "injures the quality" and "decreases the sugar content", however the consensus appears to be this is not the case, especially when considering individual figs. Also the effects appear to differ significantly between varieties.

An interesting aside, it also says that Pingo de Mel is an edible caprifig.

Read that Pingo di mel is same as Gillette.  Gillette is also supposed to be a capri fig that is edible.
I lost my pingo di mel cuttings but now I have a 2yr old Gillette plant  so I can't compare them but next year may get to taste an edible capri fig. 

If Pingo de Mel is an edible caprifig, then wouldn't that mean that Adriano, a sport of Pingo de Mel, is also an edible caprifig? Would this be verifiable by microscopic examination of the fig synconiums?

I doubt Pingo de Mel is a persistent capri since I have never seen one that contains pollen.
Or it may contain very little pollen which is insufficient to perform hand-pollination...

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Hi Don,

I don't have the fig wasp around here either but I was thinking I might like to try to introduce them. Not for a nutty flavour though.


Hi mic,
What state are in?
I had believed the capri fig was not in my area in southern victoria,
But last summer, one of my figs produced fruit loaded with seeds. I do have capri figs here. A friend about 15 minutes drive away, is sure he has the wasp at his place. His neighbour has a capri fig that he was considering removing until my friend stongly suggested he not. I am hoping to get cuttings of it and a few wasp loaded fruits.

Seed texture, taste, inside worms ... etc
no problem with the pollinated common figs?

I am not interested in discovering a new figs.
curious about the quality change of fruit by pollinated.

pollination Portugal (Beb.Branca) looks good. But are other generic varieties also good?

afraid to chew wasps. When eating figs

We have wild figs.
Are there any facts that have been pollinated through wild figs?

wild figs size of the fruit is a coin.
But the important thing is that there are wasps.

Whether our wild figs can pollinated the common figs is not yet known.
Because there was no Commercial smyrna figs and no one tried.

I will try to pollinated it with wild figs
If it fails. I will buy Capri figs and move the wasps.

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Dead wasp

The life and pollinating method of this tree and wasp are exactly the same.
  I wonder if this pollen can pollinating Smirna.

 * photo by my Blog friends uma    http://blog.naver.com/bigslow/220216475412


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The species that grow wild in Korea is Ficus erecta, and the pollinator of this species (Blastophaga nipponica) can not pollinate Ficus carica.
In Japan were created hybrid between these two species, through artificial pollination, but only for rootstock purpose, because F. erecta is not fully graft-compatible with F.carica, but is highly disease resistant.
Not living in an area with ideal climate for figs, you need to focus on varieties that not require pollination.

PS: nice photos!

hi~ fico

Good advice is very grateful.
and I also agree with the efficiency of fig cultivation.
Even so, it is very sad.

Is it possible to transplant wild figs wasp after I buy the caprifigs?
Is there such a possibility or a case?

Hi Natas,

virtually it's possible, but is very difficult to establish a population of this insect outside of its natural range.
These are insects that have a very complex life cycle, they are not invasive as it could be a parasite that quickly colonize new lands.
First, in unsuitable climates, the wasp can die because of the cold, or because there is not a steady production of caprifigs which ensures the reproductive cycle.
Also in its habitat, wasp colonies may go extinct over large areas due to lack of caprifigs or unfavorable climatic conditions.
The attempts to introduce it in California were many and almost all unsuccessful. Some claim that B. psenes was introduced also in South Africa and Australia but i have not seen a photo of a pollinated fig from these countries, or seedlings born from figs grown there.


You can try, but you must have some different caprifigs, in order to have more chances, because not all have a regular production of "profichi", "mammoni" and "mamme"; many caprifigs don't produce mamme, or only very few, and this can break the wasp cycle.
Assuming that you will have some adult caprifigs, with regular production of the three crops, you should get the wasp, and here comes the fun.

I don't know what is the best time to take the wasps to carry them, but suppose that is the time in which is practiced caprification (June, in most of the Mediterranean area?).
Assuming that your caprifigs have receptive "mammoni", you have to find a source of "profichi" full of wasps.
These wasps have to face a very long journey, to stay alive inside the syconia, with unfavorable temperatures, and everything bad related to the journey, from the country of origin to Korea.

If wasps arrived not hurt or damaged, they will colonize your caprifigs, and this will be the first generation, then reproduce and overwinter inside the "mamme", and survive the cold.
Next year, and for the next years, if everything goes well, the cycle will repeat itself.

For me such a thing is Science Fiction, but if you are brave can try to do it.




very. very. thank you.
Thank you for your reply.
I learn a lot from you.

I do not want a wasp coming from another country.
Can move a wasp from my wild fig to a caprifig?

The wild figs wasp is 30 minutes away from my house.
The environment of the place where the wasp lives and the place where I live is the same.
If me raise the Capri figs
will the (Ficus erecta) Wasps move?

The key is this.
Can my wild wasp move from (Ficus erecta) to (Ficus carica)?

My plan is ...

1. Order 3 ~ 4 different kinds caprifig cutting
2. It is cultivated to produce "mammoni"
3. Waiting for invasion under wild fig tree

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The Blastophaga that lives in Korea is a different species, it can not establish a symbiosis with Ficus carica.
Every species of the genus Ficus has a specific pollinator. Some Ficus species have more than one pollinator wasp, and some wasp species can pollinate more than one Ficus species, but these are exceptions.
Hence is impossible that the Korean Blastophaga nipponica enter a caprifig or a common fig, because the volatile substances produced by F. carica are different from those produced by F. erecta, and do not attract the wasps.
If it were not so, probably you would not need a caprifig, because the Blastophagas from F. erecta could pollinate common figs, but this it's impossible.

Only Blastophaga psenes, laden with caprifig pollen, can pollinate Ficus carica.
Blastophaga nipponica does not enter F. carica, both male or female.

  • mic

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Hi mic, What state are in? I had believed the capri fig was not in my area in southern victoria, But last summer, one of my figs produced fruit loaded with seeds. I do have capri figs here. A friend about 15 minutes drive away, is sure he has the wasp at his place. His neighbour has a capri fig that he was considering removing until my friend stongly suggested he not. I am hoping to get cuttings of it and a few wasp loaded fruits.


Hi Bronzewing

That sounds great, you must be in a good area! Did you get your wasp colony up and running?

Aaa very kindly sent me some capri cuttings which I was able to start. They are growing well but they still haven't started growing capri figs. They are in pots so aren't big enough yet, but once I can shape them a bit and they are reliable enough to support the wasps, I will start looking for them too. I think next summer hopefully.

I am actually having a problem with fig leaf hopper this season. I really need to get rid of them before then but am not having much luck.

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