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Could this be Panache?

My Panache has very different leaf shape. The new wood also has the same Unique colors as the fruit.

Jon whats the story on this leaf .

here is my panache the leaves look similar to my jolly tiger

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My Panache is a baby so I can't say what the leaves should look like but wow, that is a nice leaf. Please do tell us what the story is with that one. 

I doesn't look like the leaves on my Panache either. However, it is from my Panache. There is a sucker coming up from the base, wjhich has very nice striping in the wood, but the leaves don't look like any the tree has ever had before - not even really close.

This is from USDA/UC Davis, but looks very much like my normal leaves:

Yeah Jon i see what your saying now.

This is dominant leaf in first picture on my panache similar to what were used to seeing.

Then this one on plant when i went searching on plant today when i read this post.

Figs for fun.  ; )

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The beauty of Panache is that the bark doesn't lie. The stripes leave no room for doubt.

I would never have guessed that leaf was Panache if I hadn't seen it on the tree.

The name of this variety is not Panache, it is Panachee.  Panachee is a French word for variegated, pronounced pan-a-SHEE, with the accent on the last syllable.

I mention this for accuracy, and to try to stop renaming already known varieties.  Is it a wonder why there is so much confusion in the fig world already? 

Sorry Andrew but this is how they spell in French "Panaché"

I've noticed that on any single tree, there are usually a few different shaped leaves.  Also, the UCD variety is called Panachee.  I just assumed people shortened it to Panache.  Doesn't really matter.  It is what it is!  A really great tasting and looking fig!!

Suzi

Sorry eden

But UC Davis has it listed as DFIC 0002, Panachee

Panache in French means flamboyant
Panachee in French means variegated.

Since the fruit is variegated, I think the name is fitting.

Andrew,

There are 2 commonly used spellings, Panache and Panachee. My tree was Panache for 20 years before I had even heard of Panachee. Accuracy noted.

Jon,
That's why there is confusion, too many individual names for the same tree.  If you think about it, the fruit is variegated, and by your description, the bark is variegated, Panachee is French for variegated. 

Don't you think you could have been misled, twenty years ago?  Don't you think the University of California has the credentials to know the variety?  Maybe since I'm new to fig culture I can afford to look for accuracy, and challenge history.

Andrew, "google" Panache fig and you will see that you have a lot of work ahead of you, starting with Edible Landscaping and Trees of Antiquity. I wish you well in your new endeavor.  Give it some time, and you will come to accept that fig names are a mess, and likely to stay that way.

BTW, it is also called "Tiger Fig" but I never saw a green and yellow tiger.

To make a simple illustration, ask anyone raised under old english writing rules to spell a few common words in the english language. One will soon see the loss of letters, swapping and rearrangements in many words. 

Flavour = flavor
Paediatrician = pediatrician
Theatre = theater
Gray = grey
Aluminium = aluminum

Even the word itself will change meaning... So always be careful when translating into english or vice verse. But, I do agree Panachee is the french word for Variegated and in the avian/mammal community they use Pied and Pied Bald. 

And then there is the whole pronouncing of letter we can not even agree that Basil is properly pronounced Bazil... you know zed between two vowels is pronounced as a "zed" ummm zee. 


Chris
 

It would be Panaché (Pahnasheh, the last letter sounding like the last letter of "bitte" in german or "latte" in italian... than many here pronounce erroneously lattay but it sounds more like latteh) not Panachée nor Panache (Pahnash) http://www.larousse.com/en/dictionnaires/anglais-francais/variegated/622242

Pronunciation depends on a persons origin and language, and is not a real concern in the accuracy of identification.  The spoken word can vary, but is fleeting.  The written word is recorded in history, and is the cause of confusion if not considered by growers.

It is what it is, and if people choose to rename every variety, then that's what you will have, just be aware that it is so.  How many collectors purchase a tree, only to find they already have one by another name?

Hello Andrew, I agree totally with you and have had this same issue,s with fig names. But what I'm learning is, even if the same tree the name that's given, separates the location of where stock came from. I'm very bad with my words, so will try to explain. The fig tree Adriatic is it's name. Now if your looking for a better type of this one you'll seek out JH Adriatic. Now I know I picked the same name here, but my point is the names provide where the tree came from. For what ever reasons, some trees even though they are the same, they are not. I would still like to see a list provided with names of trees that show all names of certain tree. I know there are plenty of unk's still but the one's that are known could be written. Jon is showing us his Vista now and tells us it's #1. Well in same post it states it is VDB and a few other names. What I will tell you is I have a Vista and the other names to grow side by side to find out. My guess is the Vista will be better then the others. Hopefully I didn't put more confusion and apologize for long post.

luke

"Bensonhurst Purple" anyone? Who knows what was the original name of the Mt Etna variety?

Also I ordered a "LSU purple" from Wellspring. Being a relatively new variety where did it originate? VdB or Mission or Petit Negron? is it cross pollinated with something? how would LSU get new varieties without cross pollination as cuttings and meristems are all genetic clones?

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The problem with listing different names for the same fig is the only way to be 100% certain is to perform dna testing. There are some differences of opinion as to if certain figs with different names are the same or not. I find it very interesting too, even though it is more confusing, that dna testing shows Vista and VDB to be identical yet Jon indicates a difference. 

It appears that it can be spelled panaché or panachée according to this link when it is used as an adjective.It does not appear to me to be an instance of masculine or feminine words in French,but it is interesting to me that the use of panaché is with another plant,but I cannot determine the reason (((.



http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/panache

Then there is the whole issue of "unknowns". People get tired of Unknown 123 or Frank's Unknown. But you also don't want to assume what it is until you have some verifiable data. So, I have started using distinctive names, usually based on the location so they are not confused with what I "think" they might be. "Saratoga" might be Chico Strawberry. "Narragansett" might be White Adriatic, etc.

Then there are the "numbered" figs from USDA/UC Davis which received numbers when they bred. But you get tired of explaining a sexy name like 143-36, so I named it Emerald Strawberry. It has a light bluish-green skin and a red interior. I haven't hidden the origin or "real" identity of Emerald Strawberry, but it communicates better than 143-36. Similarly, 184-15 has become Strawberry Teardrop.

Raspberry Latte was originally called "Coffee" because it grew up under my coffee tree. Raspberry gives a better idea of what it is, but Latte gives a hint of its origins.

Then there are the GT series - unknowns collected in a Greek neighborhood, I think in Baltimore. It turns out, now that I have fruit, that GT-6 is a Celeste. I already have a couple dozen different Celeste variants, but this one will still be a keeper. The person who collected the cuttings, originally, was hoping for something more glamorous.

Many, many figs had names at one time such as "fico de la whatever" when they were brought here 100 years ago. Most are now known as Uncle so-and-so's favorite, or even the "tree was here when I moved in" and their real names are long lost to history.

So, welcome to the messy world of figs. Grab some, eat them, enjoy them, and get used to the real world. ;-))

I can't let this 2012 thread go by without a comment on the panache vs. panachee controversy.  Apparently there aren't a lot of francophones in the fig community.

Because the French word for fig fruit is "figue", a feminine noun, it should be modified by the feminine adjective "panachee" meaning variegated.  The fig PLANT is the masculine "figuier". But isn't it the fruit we always describe in the name?  Hence Black Madeira, LSU Gold, etc.

It's Strawberry Verte (not Vert). Grise de St. Jean (not Gris).  Ronde de Bordeaux, not Rond. Bourjasotte Noire, Noire de Caromb.  Noire de Barbentaine.  These are all feminine forms of the adjective describing color of the fruit.  It follows that it should be Col de Dame Grise, or Blanche, or Noire.  And, of course, Panachee.

But, guess what?  Even French fig sellers are inconsistent in this regard.  What you gonna do?

Please don't get me started on pronunciation of French fig names in YouTube videos!


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