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Disappointed in online nursery wrong variety after 4 yrs!

Well it's been 4 years and my supposed to be globe grapes are actually regular green grapes! I hate green grapes! This is very frustrating wait all this time grow the thing massively and it's the wrong G D fruit! And yes they are very small and yes they are ripe, they taste exactly like green grapes from store! So pissed right now! They've been growing green all along I thought they were to change color! I'm a dope!

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So what nursery screwed you?

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Originally Posted by MyDogMike
So what nursery screwed you?

Stark brothers

Sorry to hear that happened to you Jsavkov, after all that time and effort taking care of the plant, I'd be very upset too.

Maybe there is a way to get the variety you want grafted onto the established rootstock?  Just looking for a way to get some lemonade from this lemon.

Email them and complain, the worst that can happen is nothing.

One of my first buys from an online nursery was 15 varieties of fig. After a couple years and after a bunch of new "fig knowledge" had soaked into my somewhat porous brain I realized I had 2 Celeste and 13 Brown Turkey trees. I still have a Celeste and BT and they remind me every day that buyer beware.

It happens and there isn't a lot you can do about these "mistakes" except to keep learning.

And most likely that grape root stock has value. Not all is lost.
Good luck.

If you used PayPal for either transaction, you might have some recourse, even after several years. Stark has had a great reputation for a long time. If you complain to the right person, you might get some compensation, perhaps another correct, well-established vine?
good luck!

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Originally Posted by RRedBBeard
If you used PayPal for either transaction, you might have some recourse, even after several years. Stark has had a great reputation for a long time. If you complain to the right person, you might get some compensation, perhaps another correct, well-established vine?
good luck!

Credit cards! Thanks tho

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Originally Posted by mgginva
One of my first buys from an online nursery was 15 varieties of fig. After a couple years and after a bunch of new "fig knowledge" had soaked into my somewhat porous brain I realized I had 2 Celeste and 13 Brown Turkey trees. I still have a Celeste and BT and they remind me every day that buyer beware.

It happens and there isn't a lot you can do about these "mistakes" except to keep learning.

And most likely that grape root stock has value. Not all is lost.
Good luck.

WOW Mike 15 brown turkeys that sucks! I don't feel so bad now! Lol

I did worst than you in this regard...I bought three varieties of table grapes (seedless) from a Georgia nursery, when I drove a few hours to Atlanta to visit my sons.  There are other fruit trees I bought as well.  After two years, none of the grapes are seedless, and one of them is muscadine.  I called the nursery for their mistakes, and received replacement ones, which were still seeded grape.  In the end, I cut them down and did not want to be bothered anymore.  One of the Asian pear tree I bought from them were also mislabeled, after three years.  I did not want to be bothered by them anymore and kept it.  You would think that a nursery would do a lot better job than the big box stores...Well, some do not.

You cant get back the 4 years you got into it and thats very frustrating. Starks will certainly send out a replacement though.

You might be better off just getting the vines from the Gov germiplasm. Similar to UC davis fig cuttings program that is no longer. I think they have like 1800 varieties of grapes.

I don't know if grapes and muscadines are the same, I know they are related but I bought a jumbo muscadine  that was supposed to be black and for the first 3 years produced bronze grapes, I thought I had been ripped off but last year it produced big black grapes.

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Originally Posted by RRedBBeard
If you used PayPal for either transaction, you might have some recourse, even after several years.


Huh...Paypal refuses to even consider refunding my money if the transaction is more than 180 days.  They consider it a violation of their own terms to take back money after 180 days, since the seller has been told that's how long it can potentially be under review.

I have tried and Paypal are real jerks about it.  They said, "how would you like it if we suddenly took money out of *your* account."  Which is idiotic because regardless of the time frame, they would be doing the same thing: contacting the seller, mediating the dispute, and eventually taking money (esp if the seller cannot be found, as it was for me).  They happily send you to your bank to solve it, admitting that your bank or CC probably has better protections.

Hi,
In a local nursery , 10 years ago, I bought a nectarine tree / Fantasia red 2 or 3, I don't remember exactly at the moment.
I thought : I pay but I'll get good fruits from it - that's the deal, ain't it ? ... Normally ?!?
Well, the fruit are ping-pong ball sized - that is with the kernel inside them, so I get to eat even less of the fruit.
Yes I'm sick of it. Funny, that nursery lately only carries peaches and no longer nectarines ... Perhaps, wasn't I the only one disappointed ?
When you speak to employees at nurseries, they tell it themselves : they are just the middle man in between us and some production plant.
If the production plant screws them ... We're screwed to ...
For us customers, that's not the deal normally ... But that's real life though.
I wanted and want nectarines badly ! You cant' imagine !

Ask for a new variety you want but also ask if that variety can be grafted to the root stock of your green grape. 
The one thing I've found is that Stark is very good about returns. I don't buy from them anymore as I try and keep my money local whenever possible, but I bet I've bought from them at least a dozen or more times.

In this age, very few things are made locally.  True, there are some who grow things locally and bring them to the farmers' market for sale, but most just buy fruits in bulk quantity and sell them in retail.  One can bet that these fruits are not grown locally.  Same can be said for trees/plants sold in nurseries or big box stores.  I'd think mislabeling is a common problem in those stores because they are not the sources of the problems, and have no ideas what they get.  But they'd be willing to exchange or refund us for the mistakes, though.

The more you buy locally the more local products will become available.
The effort is worth it.
Our little country store (The Batesville Market) was reopened with the help of local folks who bought credit vouchers to be used as cash after the market reopened. There was also an ugly farm truck raffle and although quite ugly the thing ran. I did not win dagnabit. This "upfront local" money allowed a market to reopen that might otherwise have just rotted into history.
The local groceries (even Harris Tweeter) sell local produce. Others sell local beef, sausage  and lamb, etc. I saw some incredibly wonderful looking oyster mushrooms from a local guy yesterday and bought local marble rye and cucumbers to proceed the yummy local baked goods I intended to eat for desert (after cucumber sandwiches). All was excellent.
I will make sure to allow a few of these outlets get great ripe figs. This area a serious producer of wines and beers and even apple wines. There are peach and apple orchards and a few others I haven't found yet.
The effort to produce locally can only survive if we go just a little bit out of our way and pay just a little bit more so the organic and local growers can catch up.
Oh rats I just lost my soap box . .."hey you come back here with that!"

No argument here from me...If everyone does that, I'd think that the big farm producers and distributors will be gone eventually.  The consumers are likely suffering due to higher prices and limited selection.  The other days my wife bought some oranges from a supermarket store.  I am surprised that you can have them at this time of the year.  Turned out that these fruits are grown in Uruguay...No complaint from me though.  I am sure that most people would agree with me on this as well, when they want to eat various fruits in the winter time here.

Starks sent me wrong labeled fig trees as well. Many thanks to the wonderful people here on the board who helped me figure out what they really were. Starks was great about replacing the trees and the replacements seem to be correct. I imagine angry ex-employees sneaking in at night and changing all the tags. 

My Dad grew scuppernong grapes for ten or twenty years with two supposed male and female vines on a ten foot support that didn't produce grapes. People kept telling him to be patient and they eventually would mature and produce. The vines would produce one or two grapes each year and he would be encouraged. But they never produced anything more. I don't know why he never replaced them or challenged the people who kept telling him to be patient.

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Originally Posted by Jsavkov
Well it's been 4 years and my supposed to be globe grapes are actually regular green grapes! I hate green grapes!  

Have you ever tried Diamond Muscat, Summer Muscat or Sweet Surrender seedless green grapes? I don't know how they would grow where you live but they take green grapes to another level of flavor. Especially Diamond Muscat which has an unususal perfume when perfectly ripe in addition to sweetness that is like nothing I have ever tasted.

Grapes are really easy to grow from dormant cuttings, even easier than figs. You might find some reputable sellers or even swap with someone on one of the grape forums next winter. 

HA! I read this and thought the exact same thing. I not have to dig up a big Persian lime tree and an crappy orange tree after waiting four years. I'm not even bothering to go back. I am not waiting for another four years for them darn things! I moved to figs now.  I don't even buy anything at lowes anymore unless it is on clearance b/c I saw one of their trees mislabeled and heard of the same story. Irritating waiting all that time and knowing you spent money on what you "wanted"  I would rather spend more and have a true plant and good fruit right away!  Good luck with your next grapes! 

The fun part of getting mislabeled fruit trees is that you may just like it, even if it is not what you "want".  By this, I mean what you want is likely you heard or read from someone/somewhere, and decided to try it out.  It may live up to the hype, but then it may not.  Sometime you may have to wait just as long so that the fig tree mature for it best taste, but even then you may have learned that is not going to happen due to the wrong climate for it.  Nevertheless, it is a trial and error thing, the name is just so, a name to some.  What you like is very personal though.

If you've bought many trees from anybody, at some point you've gotten mislabeled plants. 
I resolved to only buy verified products. This means grapes have to have fruit on them to verify variety and also figs or citrus or other fruit. Pay more for larger tree but you remove the doubt and have piece of mind as you watch the plant grow.
Figs wise... same thing, if it does not have a fig on it I will pass or I will collect cutting from known plants. 
Arrivederci...

Sometimes, it is not practical or possible to buy fruit trees with the fruits on it.  Try that for large fruit trees sold from other states... If the fruits are not ripe, one still do not know if it is the one you want.  The best way is to sample the ripened fruits before you decide to buy. Period.  All else will not necessarily guarantee that you will like it, especially the ones you have not tasted before.


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Originally Posted by schang
Sometimes, it is not practical or possible to buy fruit trees with the fruits on it.  Try that for large fruit trees sold from other states... If the fruits are not ripe, one still do not know if it is the one you want.  The best way is to sample the ripened fruits before you decide to buy. Period.  All else will not necessarily guarantee that you will like it, especially the ones you have not tasted before.



I completely agree with you, in this instance I would of been buying a four year old tree with ripe fruit on it, not possible, I've even gone to fig guy, won't mention the name, but I bought a dozen figs from him that were mislabeled! And he assured me they were correct cultivars. Now that I rebought the same varieties from reputable people, smith, violette de sollies, and a few others, I see they are obviously not the same! I ended up getting rid of those varieties to family members, except one that was very good, but yeah very frustrating.

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