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Does FMV affect all parts of a tree, roots, all branches?

This past winter I purchased a dormant 3 year old JH Adriatic tree.  Now that it is leafing out I see it is heavily infected with FMV on all branches/leaves of the main trunk about 1.5” in diameter & 5' tall.  A smaller 1/2" diameter & 3’ long side shoot has about 6 leaves that are all clean.

If I cut off the main trunk  will the remaining branch & roots remain clean?  Should I air layer the clean branch off? 

Or are the roots and entire tree really infected and the side branch is clean just by chance and may show signs of infection also?

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FMV is like hard drive failure on your computer...not a question of 'if', but one of when and how bad.

Most trees that are not from seed will probably be carrying it, whether they are showing symptoms or not.  Most seedling trees will be exposed to it and at least carry it, at some point.  Not all trees (not varieties...but individual trees) are affected equally.  It's more of a 'stress' indicator than anything else.  More stress equates to more symptoms (and more severe, too).  There are also certain varieties that are less tolerant than others. 

For the most part, it's biggest impacts are cosmetic, at least in a home garden setting. Fruit loss/reduction in production could matter more commercially, but even that isn't too major of an impact.

And as to your question about propagating...not worth it, as yes the whole thing (except maybe the meristem...if you want to try tissue culture) will be infected.  Virus free trees are hard to come by and don't stay that way very long when exposed to ones (most of whats around already) that are infected.

Leave it alone, let it grow, see if the symptoms go away.

IN MY OPINION - FMV is often named for a whole bunch of fig leaf issues which may or may not be accurate.  FMV like symptoms and real FMV symptoms will frequently disappear with growth.  I am not saying that FMV will disappear, I am saying the symptoms may disappear with growth.

Purists/elites say they do not want any tree with any FMV symptoms.  I say all fig trees are most likely infected.  If you, or anyone else, does not want a fig tree with FMV symptoms, contact me, I will take it/them.

This is my opinion, you can state yours, I will not respond to your statement, you have your opinion, I have mine, no statements will change either of our minds.

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IN MY OPINION - FMV is often named for a whole bunch of fig leaf issues which may or may not be accurate. 


No, not just your opinion, as there is a lot of research to back up that line of reasoning, in fact it has only been within the last 10 yrs or less that ONE cause has been definitely confirmed to be a virus...and that there could be several virus types/varieties involved.  One of the classic definitions starts out claiming the virus has not been determined.

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If you, or anyone else, does not want a fig tree with FMV symptoms, contact me, I will take it/them.


Only if you are first to ask...

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FMV is like hard drive failure on your computer...not a question of 'if', but one of when and how bad.

Most trees that are not from seed will probably be carrying it, whether they are showing symptoms or not.  Most seedling trees will be exposed to it and at least carry it, at some point.  Not all trees (not varieties...but individual trees) are affected equally.  It's more of a 'stress' indicator than anything else.  More stress equates to more symptoms (and more severe, too).  There are also certain varieties that are less tolerant than others. 

For the most part, it's biggest impacts are cosmetic, at least in a home garden setting. Fruit loss/reduction in production could matter more commercially, but even that isn't too major of an impact.


Great response!

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We are talking about 2 things, FMV virus tree, and fig bud mites damaged leaves.

Somebody say it, All trees come with FMV virus, if it is true, I do not think that you can have FMV virus free tree for long due to bugs love leaves including fig leaves.

From what you are telling me, your tree seem have Fig bud mites.
You should check for your tree for fig bud mites with x50+ loupe, If you find them, you should treat them, Once it is treated, fig tree will grow fast

I think that Fig bud mites cause nutrition deficiency problem on leaves, Heavy infected do damage branches as well, FMV damaged leaves can not be reverted as same as branches but branch do grow a new inner layer each year to take over its function, If fig tree is slow growing, People cut it down and new grow branches will restore its function and grow faster.

Here is tree with fig bud mites damaged leaves, treated it,  new healthy leave grow from penny size in full size in 2 week fast, However, mite eggs hatch, I need 2nd spray later, fig bud mites are very tough.

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ricky, what did you spray it with? thank you

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Hi Joe:

I am in Canada where only limited pesticides are allow, I used malathion to spray my trees, It kills garden spiders and ants and Alpids as well.
I do not think that it can completed clear all mites, At winter time, I will treat soils and trees with sulphur and put all tree at cold outdoor, it might kill all mites.
I got FMV from nursery trees, I will not order any trees from them.

Via NMSU:
Fig mosaic can cause symptoms on both leaves and fruit. On leaves, mosaic spots are distinctly yellow, contrasting with normal green color of the foliage. The margins of the yellow spots blend gradually from a light yellow color into the dark green of healthy tissue. Mosaic spots or lesions may be uniformly scattered over the surface of the leaves or may appear as irregular patches of light green diffused widely throughout the leaf blade. Later in the season, a rust-colored band develops along the border of the mosaic spots, apparently caused by the death of epidermal or subepidermal cells. Deformed leaves may occur on the same twig as normal leaves. Mosaic spots on fruits are very similar to those on leaves, but less conspicuous. Premature fruit drop may also occur in certain cultivars. Infected Calimyrna trees seem to produce smaller and fewer fruit. Black Mission is the most seriously damaged cultivar; Kadota and Calimyrna are the least affected. Ficus palmata, or trees derived from seedlings having F. palmata as the male parent, appear to be immune to mosaic. Fig mosaic is vectored by the eriophyid mite Aceria fici; feeding by a single mite is sufficient to transmit the virus to a healthy seedling of F. carica. The virus can also be transmitted by grafting, but it is not seed borne.

Management: For tree propagation material, choose trees that do not show symptoms of mosaic. Examine propagated young plants carefully for symptoms of mosaic before planting them in the field. Never plant fig cultivars that are propagated from mosaic-infected trees. Controlling fig mites may help reduce incidence of this disease

The viruses that cause fig mottling disease (FMD) are normally isolated from leaf tissue. Viral RNA from the more prevalent viruses, like FMV, has been detected in other fig tissues including roots. In an infected tree, the assumption is the virus is in all its cells.

As reported by Flock and Wallace in 1957, eriophyid mites can transfer mosaic disease in less than 10 days.

http://californiaagriculture.ucanr.org/landingpage.cfm?articleid=ca.v011n01p12

Mites are impossible to see, for me anyway, without magnification. So, they are easy to miss. It is possible that you have fig mites in your growing area and the mosaic disease was transferred from one or more of your infected plants. If a tree is infected with any FMD causing virus, elimination mites, assuming they are present, will NOT eliminate the virus(es) from that tree. Eliminating mites should prevent spread of virus variants within your collection of trees.

Because FMV is an RNA virus and RNA viruses normally have error-prone polymerases, there are lots of minor variants of FMV. A publication published in 2016 showed as much as 16% RNA sequence variation across 34 FMV isolates in genetic sequence databases. It is not known how each variant might impact mottling disease. Just to make things yet more complex, at least 9 additional fig viruses that cause mottling have been identified in the past few years causing the disease to be referred to by the scientists as fig mosaic (or mottling) disease, FMD for short. They are:

Fig Leaf Mottle-Associated Virsus 1 & 2  (FLMaV 1 & 2)

Fig Mild Mottle-Associated Virus  (FMMaV)

Fig Latent Virus 1  (FLV-1)

Arkansas Fig Closterovirus 1 & 2  (AFCV 1 & 2)

Fig Badnavirus-1  (FBaV 1)

Fig Cryptic Virus  (FCV)

Fig Fleck Associated Virus (FFkaV)

Several of the above viruses are also RNA viruses with meaningful variation between different isolates just to make the puzzle more annoying. Most of these viruses can apparently be clear an infected tree with scientific methods (heat therapy and/or meristem tip culture in vitro). One of the viruses is a retrovirus that has inserted its genome into the plant's DNA and can not be cured by any method if present.

The Falk lab at UC Davis and the Martelli lab in Italy were the 2 groups to isolate and get the genetic sequence of FMV.

http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/pdf/10.1094/PDIS-93-1-0004

http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/90/5/1281.full.pdf+html

It appears that FMV is not transmitted in seedlings. However, FLV-1 is reported to be transmitted in seedlings. I do not know about the other viruses.

http://sipav.org/main/jpp/index.php/jpp/article/view/563

 

Reports are starting to appear of efforts to screen trees across broad areas for FMV and other viruses. The ones that I have seen find FMV broadly distributed with a lot of variation in the distribution of the other fig viruses. They are using PCR based methods to detect. My guess is they are getting some false negatives even when >90% rates of infection are found.

I hope this is useful. Good luck with your figs!

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It appears that FMV is not transmitted in seedlings. However, FLV-1 is reported to be transmitted in seedlings. I do not know about the other viruses.

http://sipav.org/main/jpp/index.php/jpp/article/view/563



Couple that with the rate of transfer due to mites and those seedlings don't really stand a chance of not being infected.


Thanks all for your responses, before I posted I searched the forum and read many posts by folks much more knowledgeable than me regarding fig tree diseases.

The folks who say all fig trees contain FMV and you should "just live with it", may be correct if you are a collector of fig trees, but I consider myself a gardener and am not used to having sick fruit trees, which seem to have less vigor, lower production and possibly infect other healthy fig trees in my garden.

 From my limited perspective and just my opinion,  not all fig trees have FMV.  I say this because I have been growing a few unknown fig trees for over 40 years, my friends, relatives all in the NY metro area grow one or two unknowns for the fruit, I have been around fig trees since I was a child, I have never seen any signs of FMV until I recently got "bite with the fig collector bug" by this forum and the fun of owning different varieties, but now I  I'm thinking I would have been better off with just a few healthy unknowns, the jury is still out.

 Maybe in my area since the trees get cold in winter, this helps prevent diseases/bugs, also these trees grown by immigrants (which is mostly found through the NY metro area) would not have been keep if not healthy so these could be species that are naturally more resistant than trees from warmer parts of the our country. 

Also most collectors that I have seen, buy trees/cuttings from all over the place, perhaps many contain bugs/diseases not normally natural for our environment. From what I have seen these small trees are usually keep very physically close to each other, basically touching each other I believe these close quarter & perhaps unnatural greenhouse environment propagates the fig problems we see.

This may offend some people but I am starting to think that perhaps we fig "collectors" are doing more of a disservice by passing around unhealthy fig trees and polluting the healthy trees that have been producing for many years.

In any case I think I will chop out and discard most of this 3 year old JH Adriatic because I just don't like the way it looks, I will keep some of the other small trees that show just minor signs of FMV and hope they grow out of it.


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 From my limited perspective and just my opinion,  not all fig trees have FMV.  I say this because I have been growing a few unknown fig trees for over 40 years, my friends, relatives all in the NY metro area grow one or two unknowns for the fruit, I have been around fig trees since I was a child, I have never seen any signs of FMV until I recently got "bite with the fig collector bug" by this forum and the fun of owning different varieties, but now I  I'm thinking I would have been better off with just a few healthy unknowns, the jury is still out.

FMV or the more 'recent' naming as FMD has been around and to some degree, been 'infecting' all fig trees for a very long time.

From my research on it, all but newly grown seedlings, that are grown in isolation, will have it.  The seedlings, once exposed to the 'field' stand a very good chance of picking it up within days of putting them out.  So by the time they are at fruit bearing age, they too will be infected.

The most recent research supports the near 100% infection rate.  And the more varieties/samples tested the more confirmed the very widespread 'infection' rates become.

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This may offend some people but I am starting to think that perhaps we fig "collectors" are doing more of a disservice by passing around unhealthy fig trees and polluting the healthy trees that have been producing for many years.



There are no 'healthy' trees! 

Trees showing symptoms are probably under other stresses and need some attention, whether nutritional or other support.  Impacts are mostly cosmetic with production impacts being truly unknown, since there aren't really any infection free trees to compare to...you need to compare an infected/not infected named variety to make it valid.  And since it doesn't look like any lab has gone through the tissue culture cycle to clean up any varieties, yet, there's no way to run the test.  Then there's the problem of keeping the clean tree, clean. It would have to be grown in total isolation.

My big question is...is FMV/FMD really a problem?

All indications are that FMD/FMV has been around for as long as humans have been cultivating figs, and yet we have thousands of years of history and hundreds if not thousands of varieties.  If it is such a major problem, then why are figs still around?

Why are there many 'proflic' varieties?  How can there be anything approaching 'commercial' production, if the impacts are so great?


Since figs are not a big money crop in the US & Europe, there is not a lot of grant money available to support scientific study on the interplay of the viruses associated with mottling disease and plant health. Though not studied, an intriguing possibility is that infection by one or more of these viruses might affect the flavor of a particular tree in a very positive way. A lot of people find Black Madeira one of the best. I agree. Yet every Black Madeira I've seen clearly has really significant FMD. Until someone can get a collection of several varietals cured of virus and compare products between the infected & uninfected trees, we won't know.

There is a lot of concern about mite transmission of virus(es) that cause mottling disease. My take is that mite transmission problems are less common than some people believe. If someone has a collection of trees that are infected with an array of viruses and has meaningful mite transmission of disease, you'd anticipate that over a season or two every tree would get infected with every virus within that collection and, if one tree crashes, they all should over time. As I read peoples' comments about the problems they encounter, what I see is that it is almost always about a single tree or two, not an entire collection. There is no simple way to know for sure. I throw this out simply as another way to look at the problem.

It is true that many (most?) of the FMD associated viruses do not transmit through seeds. It is also true that fig seeds do not breed true. You typically do not get the same tree from a seed as the parent. If I recall correctly, Jon's excellent Raspberry Latte came from a seed. So, winners do happen.

As always, I hope this is helpful.

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FMV or the more 'recent' naming as FMD has been around and to some degree, been 'infecting' all fig trees for a very long time. 

It was first observed less than 100 years ago, and was most likely much less common then than it is today. Like Ray and many, many, other people have said, virus symptoms are virtually non-existent on trees found growing on the east coast.

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From my research on it, all but newly grown seedlings, that are grown in isolation, will have it.  The seedlings, once exposed to the 'field' stand a very good chance of picking it up within days of putting them out.  So by the time they are at fruit bearing age, they too will be infected.


Many people have expressed frustration about the mite being established in CA and say there is no point in making any effort, while it has not stopped others (although not all of them have made public statements) from successfully protecting the health of their collections my monitoring and treating for fig bud mites. If you plant a seedling and be careful to not introduce the fig bud mite from materials you get from another collection, you will never see any FMV symptoms on them in WV, or any other region isolated from wild fig trees for that matter. Fig bud mites are host specific, they cannot reproduce on other species.
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The most recent research supports the near 100% infection rate.  And the more varieties/samples tested the more confirmed the very widespread 'infection' rates become.

Could you provide a reference please, I've read several surveys and the highest infection rate was found in CA, but then again they only managed to find and test symptomatic trees. Before you say "all tree in CA have symptoms" please know that you would be contradicting observations made by several CA growers. Alma is immune, it is only logical that some other varieties are as well. 

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There are no 'healthy' trees! 

 And the seedlings you mentioned? TC plants that have been virus indexed? undergone thermotherapy? The ones discovered to be free from virus in many surveys using pcr analysis around the world? Alma, Hamma? Even without expensive testing there is a clear difference between symptomatic and non-symptomatic trees, there is no in for a penny in for a pound here. The symptoms have been found to be directly correlated with amount of virus present in the plant cells, the particles need to be so numerous that they begin to actually gum up the works of the cells in order to cause any symptoms. The more virus, the more severe the symptoms. FMV has been shown to not be transmissible by sap, and can only migrate through the plant between adjacent cells, but the fig bud mite not only transmits virus from plant to plant it also rapidly increases the spread of virus in any one plant. Because virus replication and cell division are not tied together the amount of initial virus in a newly divided cell can increase or decrease. Rapid cell division relative to virus replication reduces the viral load, this is the reason thermotherapy works, the virus is denatured by heat and unable to replicate so each cell division cuts the number of viruses in half until none remain and virus free material is collected from the new growth.

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Trees showing symptoms are probably under other stresses and need some attention, whether nutritional or other support.  Impacts are mostly cosmetic with production impacts being truly unknown, since there aren't really any infection free trees to compare to...you need to compare an infected/not infected named variety to make it valid.  And since it doesn't look like any lab has gone through the tissue culture cycle to clean up any varieties, yet, there's no way to run the test.  Then there's the problem of keeping the clean tree, clean. It would have to be grown in total isolation.


 I spent a whole season battling "rust" and "nutrient deficiency" only to discover the symptoms were from fig bud mites which spread persitent virus symptoms to about half of my collection (mostly trees that previously showed no symptoms, or at least got worse). It did give me the opportunity to do some things that people said was previously impossible, such as comparing symptomatic vs. non-symptomatic trees of a couple varieties. 

The impacts can be much worse than cosmetic, growth can be stunted, fruit can have necrotic spots and drop.
My big question is...is FMV/FMD really a problem?

Absolutely, figs are not an economically important crop in the US so receive very little research. But in areas of the world where they are more important there are efforts to preserve healthy specimens. 
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...  we have thousands of years of history and hundreds if not thousands of varieties.  If it is such a major problem, then why are figs still around?

Please remember that the advent of the internet and globalization has rapidly increased distribution of all types plant material and pests, we can look at the past but nobody knows what the future holds. Also consider that a disease which spreads from one tree to another does not take modern science to fight, people have been destroying sickly plants for thousands of years.
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Why are there many 'proflic' varieties?  How can there be anything approaching 'commercial' production, if the impacts are so great?


You are assuming nurseries that supply commercial orchards have the same attitude about FMV as you do. But they are more likely to undertake sanitary selections and or have mother trees tissue cultured to avoid the liability, the costs would be minimal compared to the risk of having large orders sent back. After all, best practices dictate that symptomatic plants should not be propagated from, if it were not possible then why would that standard be set for commercial growers?

DWD2- In the past you incorrectly diagnosed fig bud mite symptoms as virus symptoms. Hopefully you can see how it is impossible to interpret virus symptoms effectively without distinguishing between other similar symptoms. 
https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/instant-fmv-6004031

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 Though not studied, an intriguing possibility is that infection by one or more of these viruses might affect the flavor of a particular tree in a very positive way. A lot of people find Black Madeira one of the best. I agree. Yet every Black Madeira I've seen clearly has really significant FMD. Until someone can get a collection of several varietals cured of virus and compare products between the infected & uninfected trees, we won't know.


The version of Black Madeira that has highest demand currently is from KK, which has no obvious symptoms, I also grew a symptom free BM from a mother plant directly from Wolfskill. I've also propagated symptom free versions of a half dozen others from Wolfskill, though I have discarded most (including BM) for poor suitability to my climate.

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There is a lot of concern about mite transmission of virus(es) that cause mottling disease. My take is that mite transmission problems are less common than some people believe. If someone has a collection of trees that are infected with an array of viruses and has meaningful mite transmission of disease, you'd anticipate that over a season or two every tree would get infected with every virus within that collection and, if one tree crashes, they all should over time. As I read peoples' comments about the problems they encounter, what I see is that it is almost always about a single tree or two, not an entire collection. There is no simple way to know for sure. I throw this out simply as another way to look at the problem.


Please see my comments above, as well as the threads where I describe my experience with fig bud mites, you will find them with a simple search. You are right to think that after a season or 2 all plants in a collection would most likely be infected, but there are also factors such as natural predators which will limit mite populations in some cases, so every infestation will vary. I discarded almost a whole year's worth of new plants, sure they were still alive but severely stunted and a pale comparison to their mothers, new plants from the healthy mothers quickly outgrew them. In the long run it was the right decision.

That year I planted a small orchard, which was infested at the time of planting and was in close proximity to symptomatic plants. Most of those plants showed symptoms but only a small number needed to be replaced, however, because the bases of the plants are still heavily infected; pruning back can cause symptoms to flair up and I I had to replace another tree this year from that group which froze back and only managed to produce sickly and stunted growths from the crown this spring. There was stark difference in growth and production between many symptomatic and non-symptomatic plants of the same variety, and no improvement in flavor. The symptoms really do vary from tree to tree, and it causes inconsistency from plant to plant. For a group like we have here, which often discusses and evaluates varieties, this extra variable is quite undesirable.

I am not professionally trained, although I do have a strong interest and respect for science. Who I am is someone who has been affected negatively by interacting with the fig community, as many other people and nurseries seem to be also. I did my best to provide supporting evidence, because I knew there would be resistance, but it is dismaying to see my experience ignored. Ray is right to worry that as a community we are acting recklessly, I've prevented multiple heirloom/family/otherwise symptom free trees owned by new members from being affected by material with fig bud mites, though it has brought me grief and pushed me out of the popular crowd. So regardless of whether you or others take me seriously I will continue to inform people, I know I would have appreciated someone diagnosing fig bud mite symptoms on my plants before so much damage was done, and although it puts those people in an awkward position to choose who to believe, most have been appreciative.

I've spent many hours reading research papers and observations from members of the community, as well as carefully watching my own trees. If you would like to discuss any of what I've written I'd be happy to, assuming you remain intellectually honest and open to additional evidence.

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hoosierbanana - thank you for your post, I think you really get it, I know healthy fig trees do exist and we "collectors"  are spreading a problem.

Is there a product I can use to treat fig bud mite? a spray Neem oil or something?  or should I just destroy the tree?

For others quoting various research, that all trees are infected, I doubt any fig research has been done in the North East but I would be happy to take you on a tour of the many ethic neighborhoods in the NY metro area and show you hundreds of trees, isolated in backyards and you will see that almost none show any symptoms like some of the trees I recently bought from forum members.

The old Italians and other immigrants would have immediately destroyed the tree showing symptoms.
 

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It's easy to detect a perfectly healthy tree from the infected ones and there are various levels of FMV symptoms. All you have to do is look at the leaves and the rate of growth and you'll know.
Shaking off FMV does take time and the most important ingredient for this to occur is heat. But while you wait for your tree to get going, you could get a perfectly healthy one and enjoy some figs much faster. In addition I found that FMV infected trees, if damaged for some reason, don't recover as fast as the healthy ones.
In TX there are many unaffected trees, due to the fact that they are locally grown and were never exposed to FMV.

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hoosierbanana- thank you for your post, I think you really get it, I know healthy fig trees do exist and we "collectors"  are spreading a problem.

Is there a product I can use to treat fig bud mite? a spray Neem oil or something?  or should I just destroy the tree?

For others quoting various research, that all trees are infected, I doubt any fig research has been done in the North East but I would be happy to take you on a tour of the many ethic neighborhoods in the NY metro area and show you hundreds of trees, isolated in backyards and you will see that almost none show any symptoms like some of the trees I recently bought from forum members.

The old Italians and other immigrants would have immediately destroyed the tree showing symptoms.


Ray, if you would like to treat the tree I can recommend the chemical spiromesifen as highly effective. There are several issues with compete eradication, they reproduce very fast (the hotter the weather the faster they reproduce), they are present in interior structures of the plant (buds, unripe figs), and detection even with the proper equipment is tedious and difficult, impossible on a large scale because of the very small viewing area. So spiromesifen is probably the best choice because it kills all life stages, including eggs, it is absorbed by the plant tissue (translaminar) so contact with the spray is not required, and it has residual activity. You can buy sample sizes on eBay, 1/4 oz. makes plenty of spray solution because the rate is very low, the product you will find is called Forbid 4F, it  is labeled for ornamentals and non-bearing fruit trees. The same chemical is also labeled for fruits under the name Oberon 2SC, but that has not been available on eBay from what I've seen, and to buy a whole bottle would be very expensive and wasteful as it would make several hundreds of gallons of solution. It is a relatively new chemical and considered to be much safer and targeted towards mites compared to older miticides. One spray with good coverage at 1 ml. per gallon has been enough to eradicate them for me. 

The community would really benefit from more options of treatment from people with firsthand experience, not everyone is comfortable with using chemical sprays. I don't other than for this purpose, now I spray all new plants before they get anywhere near my collection, usually as soon as the buds open.

My experience says that the tree will probably make many new growths after pruning that both have symptoms and don't, I select some symptom free growths and remove the rest. But even if I didn't, the tree would most likely smother any badly infected growths which are able to grow. That is one explanation as to why trees on the east coast are mostly symptom free, isolated from the fig bud mite those growths have a much better chance of remaining symptom free and producing symptom free plants from cuttings. But there are no guarantees, I had one tree that I selected growths with symptom free leaves but all of the buds that broke showed symptoms, another I got from Wolfskill that seems to have never made a healthy leaf for 11 growing seasons now, it has the size and vigor of a typical 2nd year tree. Others will just shake it off, the Verte types are strong growers so I bet you will end up with a productive tree, although the one I mentioned with the symptomatic buds was also a Verte type, not that it wouldn't have been productive, but I had 2 others of the same variety with no symptoms so I removed it and put in a new variety. It grew just as well as the other plants but I worry about propagating from something like that.

Here is one of my other 11 YO trees from Wolfskill, it has had a rather stressful life until recently, last year it got zapped by that late frost and grew back from the roots, there was only one growth without any symptoms so I left it along with some of the strongest growers, here is one of those strong growers shown below @ center. It awoke with some buds apparently symptom free and others much worse than last year, it has had little to no stress this year.  Normally I would have removed these but wanted to see how things developed. I distributed cuttings of a symptom free sucker from this plant to another member years ago who reported seeing no symptoms at all and it being very vigorous and productive, and I also have a few plants from cuttings now that haven't shown any symptoms yet either. The affected growths are only a few inches and distorted, the unaffected growths have set figs consistently while the symptomatic ones only have one or 2 so far, the tree does look like it would smother the stunted growths if given enough time. It is one of my favorite trees and I'm going to keep it even after the new ones without any symptoms begin bearing. I'm no purist.
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It's easy to detect a perfectly healthy tree from the infected ones and there are various levels of FMV symptoms. All you have to do is look at the leaves and the rate of growth and you'll know. 
Shaking off FMV does take time and the most important ingredient for this to occur is heat. But while you wait for your tree to get going, you could get a perfectly healthy one and enjoy some figs much faster. In addition I found that FMV infected trees, if damaged for some reason, don't recover as fast as the healthy ones. 
In TX there are many unaffected trees, due to the fact that they are locally grown and were never exposed to FMV. 

Thanks for sharing Sas. I might try putting a plastic bag over one of the growths on the one that has always had really bad symptoms and see if it helps at all.

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I planted my UCD Black Madeira in ground and in full sun. I believe that it Initially showed symptoms of FMV. After several seasons of totally new growth from ground level, this year the tree appears to be much healthier than any previous year, with healthy new leaves and fruit. Temperatures at that location could reach 110 degrees during the day and the tree looks very happy. Same thing with a Col de Dame Blanc. All this is not scientific, but from observation. I will post a photo asap.
I also noticed that the ones that had signs of FMV were the most vulnerable to winter damage and in some case the whole plant above the soil was lost with totally new growth emerging from ground level during the growing season, but his new growth always looked better that the previous leaf.
While such trees keep going through resetting, others have performed way much better and produced much earlier without too much help except normal fertilizing.

Here's an example of what I believe to be an infected tree. St. Jean from UCD. The tree refuses to grow, so it remains on the sideline. You can see the different shapes of leaves.





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hoosierbanana, I had a long reply all typed out and ready to go, lost internet connection when trying to post and lost the post. I'm not going to try and rebuild it, so...

1933 Condit first described FMV, in a formal manner/setting. It definitely existed long before then. And was world wide in distribution...at least in all the usual fig growing areas.

In the 1950s work was done to see if other members of the Moraceae family could become infected...and yes, more than just the edible fig could. They even checked out a couple mulberries (I couldn't find the results on those), but if they can carry it, then forget about being able to keep figs clean for long.

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Photos of my in ground Black Madeira after several seasons of growth in full sun. If you enlarge the photos, the leaves look much healthier than when first received it, but It remains slower growing and less productive when compared to my other Black Madeiras. Also, It remains much more vulnerable to winter damage.





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hoosierbanana, I had a long reply all typed out and ready to go, lost internet connection when trying to post and lost the post. I'm not going to try and rebuild it, so... 1933 Condit first described FMV, in a formal manner/setting. It definitely existed long before then. And was world wide in distribution...at least in all the usual fig growing areas. In the 1950s work was done to see if other members of the Moraceae family could become infected...and yes, more than just the edible fig could. They even checked out a couple mulberries (I couldn't find the results on those), but if they can carry it, then forget about being able to keep figs clean for long.


I found the paper from 1960 that listed a number of observations of FMV symptoms from around the world made in the 30's and 40's, soon after Condit first described it. But the symptoms of fig bud mites were not isolated and described by Flock and Wallace until 1955, so the observations made prior to that most likely did not differentiate between FMV and fig bud mite symptoms. As we all know they are easily mistaken for one another, actual pictures of the symptoms don't appear to have been available until 1982. https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/CAT87208955/PDF


I think FMV could potentially transfer to plenty of other plant species, if fig bud mites carrying virus get onto another plant they might be able to feed and transfer the virus to that plant. But then how does the virus get back to another fig plant? It has only been shown to be transferred by the fig bud mite, there is one mite in the same family, Aceria mori, that infests mulberry but it has not been reported in the U.S. that I can find.

However, in regions where figs and mulberries are both grown, and both the fig bud mite and mulberry bud mite are native, they can have much lower rates of FMV infection. For instance, there was a new study released just this month from Tunisia that surveyed fig trees and found only 20.7 % of the fig trees tested were infected with FMV. 

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I'm beginning to think that FMV is less serious than it's made out to be and mites are much more of a problem than they are thought to be.  With overall nutrition and growing conditions being 'severity' regulators.

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3 years ago a kind member here gave me a cutting of a Battagalia Green, what I have heard is one of the best "strawberry" figs. The first two years the growth was very poor and showed clear signs of FMV. The leaves were horrible looking, misshappen and very sick looking. The second year it continued to look this way, with very little groth, but it produced 3 little figs and they tasted awesome! Yet its growth was so poor I did not see any hope. But last fall I did a bunch of reading about FMV and decided to try cutting the plant to the ground and regrow from the roots, hoping for healthy regrowth.

When I took it out of the shed it just sat there doing nothing, while my others were taking off. I decided it was dead and was going to throw it out, but I was too busy to fool with it. Then about 3 weeks ago it sent up a little green shoot, which has now reached about 2 ft. It is very healthy looking, and is starting to send out another shoot from the roots. The leaves are shaped nicely and with good color. There might be a touch of splochy look to them, but they are SO MUCH BETTER than before I cut it to the ground.

I don't know if this will work everytime, but I is well worth the try if you have a sick tree.

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