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eBay seller portugal-cuttingsandseeds: Figo Preto

Scott,

Seeing what he sells has Black Madeira i wouldn't risk it. You most likely will be disappointed.

I would wait and buy a rooted plant from someone who really has that variety, like Paul Robert (tyro) - He has the real deal.

I dont know that seller but i have bought multiple times cuttings from malta no problem. Its been 7 months no knock on door. Best cuttings i ever gotten.

Don't do it.  Not worth the risk, both of getting something that's not what you think it is or law violations.

Just wait for cutting season or keep an eye out on ebay (trusted sellers).

I got mine from tyro.

Mine came from tyro today !  It's a beautiful Airlayer ! I wouldn't go any further than Paul 

@Billboard Call me chickenshit but the risk is too great! I got a call from USDA for an ALMOST purchase.... One that I didn't realize was originating in Portugal until payment time and then i immediately canceled the purchase request. Cancellation went through and no cuttings were ever shipped or received but the USDA called anyway and proof needed to be produced. The call was unusual; the standard operating procedure is a knock on the door followed by a request to produce the illicit product for confiscation. The USDA can also choose to assume that the rest of your inventory is fruit of illegal importation as well and confiscate EVERYTHING..... some get a visit a year or more later after they have further grown the inventory beyond the imported product; to their dismay. Consider the impact THAT would have on you.... Sure, lots of folks do it and get away with it .... I wouldn't do it...

I will be rehoming a 2nd year Preto this fall if anyone is interested...no need to risk it with an international purchase. Edit-now spoken for.

@BILLBOARD - It isn't whether or not you get the knock on the door.  THERE ARE REASONS THAT IMPORTS ARE BANNED  You are an irresponsible person, why would you knowingly put the whole fig community in potential danger by importing a bug, a disease, a virus, etc.  You do not what you are doing by engaging in this behavior and should be banned from our community.

Not only that, you are not very smart admitting what you have done, I hope they bust your ass.  One for being illegal, and two for being stupid.

Anyone want to defend this guys action and his kind of behavior, bring it!!!!


I have often said there should always be a certain decorum in our participation in our forum but sometimes it simply pisses me off when people flaunt their disregard for laws.  Maybe I need a break from the forum.

First off i posted awhile back. Way back I ordered b4 knowing. Im not throwing them away.

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Originally Posted by dkirtexas
I have often said there should always be a certain decorum in our participation in our forum but sometimes it simply pisses me off when people flaunt their disregard for laws.  Maybe I need a break from the forum.

Maybe you do because your jumping to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by tsparozi
@Billboard Call me chickenshit but the risk is too great! I got a call from USDA for an ALMOST purchase.... One that I didn't realize was originating in Portugal until payment time and then i immediately canceled the purchase request. Cancellation went through and no cuttings were ever shipped or received but the USDA called anyway and proof needed to be produced. The call was unusual; the standard operating procedure is a knock on the door followed by a request to produce the illicit product for confiscation. The USDA can also choose to assume that the rest of your inventory is fruit of illegal importation as well and confiscate EVERYTHING..... some get a visit a year or more later after they have further grown the inventory beyond the imported product; to their dismay. Consider the impact THAT would have on you.... Sure, lots of folks do it and get away with it .... I wouldn't do it...

I didnt mean too. Just excited and wanted fig trees. Just starting out. But once i did find out i emailed the seller to cancel but they shipped. So it wemt thru. I posted about it when it happened. They are great trees. Im not gunna toss them. Ones 3ft tall and giving fruit.

Good info. I'll wait for another seller (in the U.S.). Thanks 

Scott

I know perfectly well why there are laws to prevent plant material to cross borders without sanitary inspection. I also know perfectly well the dangers to local fauna and flora that a bacteria, a fungus, an insect or other life forms may pose when they are placed out of her normal environment through direct import without those precautions.

I even advice members that try to buy fig cuttings through ebay that they would be better off trying to obtain the same variety closer to home.

Nevertheless, i feel there's sometimes a bit of hypocrisy with some reactions in this forum to members that buy or obtain cuttings in other countries (and i have seen this happen many times so i'm not directing this at anyone in particular).

Those (sometimes) extreme reactions seem to forget that a very large percentage of the fig varieties that are now in the USA were not obtained through the correct import channels. Otherwise, the varieties that are available over there would probably be a very small fraction of what is available now. 

I am sure no one has though of criticizing the Portuguese immigrant lady that took the cuttings of Figo Preto to Point Loma. Everyone that has that variety his extremely glad that she did.
But, what she has done was also illegal and irresponsable at the time. And many, many more varieties that people love and cherish were obtained the same illegal way. 

But that's ancient history. Let's use a modern example. I don't see members criticizing someone that goes on a trip abroad and obtains cuttings from several parts of the world, that don't go through the appropriate channels, brings them to the US, propagates them and starts spreading them through the fig community.
What i see is large crowds, of fig enthusiasts that get in line to be the first one to get the last fad variety, supported many times by just a few photos, untested and unproven (and sometimes pay obscene amounts for it). 

Apparently, when the fig varieties reach your shores, and enter this cycle, it's fine and nothing else matters. And it's ok to propagate them and nobody is criticized for doing it or having that variety in their collection. 

But, members that see nothing wrong with buying and sharing varieties that were obtained this way, feel they have a right to criticize (many times extremely aggressively) the odd member that tries to buy a few cuttings on the internet or says, in the most candid way, he obtained some variety abroad, sometimes unaware that they are doing something wrong.

As i said, and maybe i am being a bit unfair, i can't shake the feeling that's a bit hypocritical. 

Sorry for the long rant, but this has been bothering me for some time.


@jsacadura Jamie, don't think you are being unfair at all. It's not a bit hypocritical, it's clearly hypocritical. We ALL no doubt have some trees that are from illegally obtained scion. Just because we personally were not the ones who brought them here does not absolve us. And some will no doubt comfort themselves by saying it was brought over long ago. So he without sin cast the first stone.

Warning people not to do it is a good thing, like Tony did. It is illegal for good reason. But to insult and troll someone because they did...maybe those are the people who should be banned from the forum.

Humans can rationalize most anything, but wrong is still wrong and it's not worth it.  We have all kinds of figs in this country, but an addiction is an addiction and people lose their minds when they are addicted to something.  It's a shame, but it's true.

Danny K,  It's disheartening to see people throw away honor for anything and it makes one tired, doesn't it?  You keep your honor.  It's a good thing.

People fall little by little until they cease to know right from wrong, so thinking it's just a fig and it's already here, so why not keep them is a step toward throwing away your integrity.  People scoff when they hear that and do what they want and they're already on their way down.

Not worth it.

noss

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