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johnvalenzuela

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This is an update related to the thread "Very dark fig flesh variety name- San Pietro?", regarding a great unlabeled fig I am growing.

I couldn't take pictures last year, but I have them now:




The tree, lanky growing in only one half day direct sun, shaded all afternoon by tall pine trees:






The very ripe fruit flesh (looks darker red in natural light, flash makes it look a bit lighter), with slightly less ripe whole fruit, and leaves showing variability- from deeply lobed in 3's or 5's, to nearly entire and unlobed.








A close up of less ripe flesh, not as dark as it gets when it is fully ripe and hanging/drooping.


The flavor is very rich dense and berry like. My original description of the flesh being purple was from very ripe fruit, nearly starting to dry on the tree.

Another odd characteristic: This tree set an incredible breba crop, (perhaps 6 figs on every branch tip), then about one half dropped off early, and the other half hung on and remained hollow dry and leathery- completely inedible, and fell off full size. This has happened in other years too.

This second, or main crop, is just peaking now.

Also I sent out quite a few cuttings mid-March 2008, any fruit yet? I know it's early! Maybe next year.

Any comments?

Thanks all

JV
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Those figs look delicious wish I had a plant like that. Lovely pics by the way thanks for posting.
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This fig reminds me of the Calvert?
Even the leaf seems to be similar.
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That's a good looking fig. It's a shame the breba crop is so large and no good. I wonder if the second crop needs the fig wasp?
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I do have a plant,that I rooted,from cuttings I got from you.
It is not San Pietro,as I had it too,and know is not.
I also have a small Calvert Plant.
Your fig is very close to Calvert,but I will not say it is Calvert because i need more time,to see them in a few years.
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John,
I also got a cutting that rooted this year, no fruit yet. Got it from a scion exchange here in San Francisco in Jan 2009. I assume you contributed cuttings to the exchange, thanks. Did someone previously think this variety was stella? By the way, it has a cute name...thought it belonged on the cherry table (at the scion exchange)
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It is not Stella.
Stella is looking very close to San Pietro,but has a darker interior,and it taste much better,but is nothing like this fig.
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Sure thankful for Herman's sharp eyes that we may be close to an id for this delicious looking fig.

Parkwood  -- I have not forgotten what is due your way.  Just a little more time to dormancy. Ooops, my "tai lok mee" smells burnt.
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Hi John:George M,also pointed to Calvert,and George has a larger collection,compared to mine.
And he also had a very long experience with fig trees,being originally from Malta where is fig native land.
If it is not Calvert,it can only be Verte,in UCDAVIS Collection,because Calvert was Similar to Verte,but was realised by Texas agr. station,in Angletown.
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Thanks Herman,
Yes, looks very similar to Calvert.

Looking at the NCGR info for Calvert they list many unverified cultivar synonyms (from Condit):
Calvert
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Verte
Type: UNVERIFIED.
De Cour
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Verdalle
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Des Dames
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Trompe-Chasseur
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Ficus carica aulica Risso
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Coeur
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Trompe-Cassaire
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Ischia Green
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Figue d'Hiver
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Figue d'Espagne
Type: UNVERIFIED.
Verdale
Type: UNVERIFIED.
De Cuers
Type: UNVERIFIED.
DFIC 77

Again looking at all those variety photos, these don't all seem to be the same fruit.

but the Calvert photos do look the closest to 'Eve's Black Cherry'.

Also who is George M who you mention?
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JV.2,

GM is me.

Funny that UCD's second name for Calvert is Verte!
Your fruit may (also) look like a Verte, but not the leaves.
The Verte I have; has much less lobed and more serrated (edge) leaves.

BTW, Verte may also be known/confused as Ischia Green?

One thing we know for sure; it is NOT a Black Mission or a Brown Turkey
or an O'Rourke or a ....
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The breba crop of this fig appears to be a caprifig!  The second crop appears to be common!
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Hi Fignut keep us posted on your main crop those pics of ripe fruit look wonderful
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Hi Sal,
I don't appear to have any main crop figs forming this year.  The buds are visible, but no figlets have formed.  Someone else is going to have to verify that this fig is something very different - male first crop - female second crop. 
Considering that John has documented that the first crop drops, I don't think a mistake was made, and I somehow got a caprifig.  But it needs to be verified.  This is much too strange to accept without verification.
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I never got any edible figs from Eve's Black Cherry - concluded it was a caprifig -  and discarded it.  If others have gotten edible figs resembling the picture, it's possible that more than one fig was growing in the thicket where the cuttings were taken, and I got one of those.
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I don't think we have the wasp in bay area. Maybe you got a cutting from a seedling that was growing next to tree? Too bad, great looking fig, nice bump....
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