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Fig adventure in Europe

Mai!  Wow, great photo of you!  You take good selfies :-D  And the fig tree is amazing too!  Unimaginably HUGE!  Great photo updates.  Thank you!

Mai, when I traveled to Nicaragua in July I used my HG G4 with Sprint and called from the airport (wish I had done it sooner as it was hard to hear!) and they set me up on some free international plan that made calling possible and it was quite reasonable, maybe $.25/minute and data was free.  I didn't bother to ask them to unlock it because of this but my son's phone with T-Mobile was unlocked by T-Mobile just fine.  Different phones have different bands so they won't work with any carrier like Alan says but might work with a carrier there with the right one.  I suggest you find a way to call Sprint and get your phone put on this plan, it was a bit complicated but worked out well.  In Nicaragua I did not always have data services but had the ability to make outgoing calls (calls to me did not work, however, but I did get to listen to voice mails when I got onto data and then call back).  In larger cities the data worked fine and I would imagine it would work out well there in Europe.

Mai looks like you are doing London in style.
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My poor suffering Wife wants to know if all fig trees get knots and bubbles like the 400 year old ship o' Dunwich?

Oh my gosh Mai. That old fig looks like an ancient Ganesha god still living on this earth.  A remover of obstacles.  Looks like you are having a grand time with the grandkids too.  A great looking bunch you have grown there too.  Blessings on the rest of your journey, Jodi

Alan thank you for the info. Mai thanks for the pic. The "Ship of dunwich" looks like it belongs in the Lucas fantasy "Degoba System".

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Originally Posted by lolita1234
From the train station to the Pub The Ship At Dunwich I had to order a cab because no way that I could walk 5 miles away . The taxi brought me into a very narrow road that zigzagged like a serpent and dropped me at an intersection ( taxi fare was GBP 23.00 ).



From that intersection, I could see the Pub 
  

The front side


Next door was a museum . A museum told you the history of the place where I was going to explore  


Once upon a time there was a village at this location with a busy harbor. Many ships from other countries came here , and many merchandises were imported to England, including fig trees . Somehow the coast ravaged this part of the country and the whole village disappeared. The Fig tree survived and is still growing every year . Its true age is FOUR HUNDRED years, not 300 hundred as mentioned somewhere in this forum 



(to be continued) 





Here I am with the 400 year old fig tree of The Ship Of Dunwich

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Love the tree and the hat.

More fig trees, less selfies please ;-)

Moonvil,
Thank you for your input . If I am not allowed to be freely express myself in this thread, then ..... end of the story ./.

I just freely expressed my wish, nothing else.

It's your thread Mai, love the photos, keep them coming. Other members want to see more.

Yes Mai, more please!!!  It is great to see you, your family and your figgy adventures.  ;-)  

One of the place that I had in mind to visit (when I am in London) is the Ship At Dunwich where a 300 year old Fig tree is located . 
By searching in the Internet, I thought that TSAD is not very far from Central London and easy to find .But I was wrong , the more I went deep into the info, the more I felt frustrated (taxi cost would be almost $450.00 round trip, 10 times more than a round trip flight ticket from London to Spain !!!) to take a tub then 2 trains, then a cab . But once I determine to do something, I will never give up .     


My daughter wanted me to be home the same day for a family dinner . Well, I woke up at 3 :00 am , have all maps printed and got ready to be a ... gypsy on the road ! LOL 
Why that early when the whole town was still sleeping ? Well, this was the first time I was using the tub (underground transit) by myself , so I was not sure I could hop in and out the tub/train as fast as a Londoner. Better have plenty of time ...

I left London at 5:30 am . It was cold but dry. The Portland Street Station was almost empty and strangely quiet . It was cold, yes, but I felt good . I sat on a bench waiting for the train (?) , nobody around . Isn't romantic ?

Go East 6 stops to London Liverpoll station . Take train to Ipswich Station then swicth to another train to Darsham . 3 hours trip . That was supposed to be . 
  
On a train heading Darsham in the beautiful Suffolk countryside , I was busy taking pictures of myself (selfie)


When the train arrived Darsham Station, somehow I could not open the door . So the train brought me all the way to Norwich (last station) then finally on its way back to London, it dropped me at Darsham . The one way trip cost me 5 hours !!!! 

Arrive Darsham at 10:30 am








From the train station to the Pub "The Ship At Dunwich" I had to order a cab because no way that I could walk 5 miles away . The taxi brought me into a very narrow road that zigzagged like a serpent and dropped me at an intersection ( taxi fare was GBP 23.00 ). 



From that intersection, I could see the Pub 
  

The front side


Next door was a museum . A museum told you the history of the place where I was going to explore  


Once upon a time there was a village at this location with a busy harbor. Many ships from other countries came here , and merchandise were imported to England, including fig tree . Somehow the coast ravaged this part of the country and the whole village disappeared. The Fig tree survived and is still growing every year . Its true age is FOUR HUNDRED years, not 300 as mentioned somewhere in this forum . The picture in the Internet was outdated . 


I entered the Pub . There were several rustic tables and chairs . A couple were sitting at a corner sipping coffee . They were from France, visiting the area , like me .  I sat down at another corner waiting for services . No one showed up . I stepped inside looking for a waiter . An old guy greeted me at a hall , telling me that everyone was busy in the kitchen and "you are welcome to have a drink in the Pub" . Me drinking at that time of the day ? No way . I asked if I could go to the backyard to see a fig tree. The old man led me to the backyard 

Another sitting area :




Into the backyard  
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There were several picnic tables and chairs outdoors . The whole backyard was not very big as I expected. At a corner on the left side a huge fig tree could be seen next to the back of the building . (I think the place is not only served as a Pub, but also a motel for visitors who want to stay there to go to the beach nearby) . A small fence was built around the Fig tree 

General view :



On the ground nearby the tree, there were piles of freshly cut branches laying around, stem still green . I asked the man if I could take some . he said "Sure, they will be firewood anyway ..."  . My problem is I dont know how to bring them into the States ... 



A partial trunk on the ground 

   


Another partial trunk crawling on the ground




The main trunks








Another angle of the fig tree




After taking some pictures of the Fig tree, i went back to the Pub . Met a young man who worked at the place . He said that the Fig tree was 400 years old not 300 . It did bear fruits but the fruits never get ripen . As he knew, they kept it because it protected the Pub building from the coastal winds and also because it did look good, something that attracts tourists every year . 

I felt so hungry but the waitress said that lunch was not ready until 12:00 noon . I walked around and met several neighbors . Nobody seemed to care about that fig tree because they said that the tree was useless since the fruits were always green and dropped . I thought maybe this fig tree might need a warmer/long summer for the fruits to get ripen . Asking about its variety, the answers were always " Dunno" "Who cares" . 
For me I do care ....
A fellow on FB recently said there was another huge fig tree across the Pub . I walked the whole neighborhood , saw no big fig tree, except one small one (on Blysthburg street)  that bears some breba (s) from a small tree , about 3 years old . It looked like a Brunswick to me .


At 11:30 am, I went back to the Pub, hopefully to have a big meal, but helas , the kitchen was not ready for food yet . 
I decided to call a taxi to bring me somewhere to eat . He driver dropped me off at Darsham Nurseries, not very far from the train station . There I met Kevin (Calvin???) who showed me some fig trees available for sale . They were Brown Turkey, Celeste and Brunswick . Of course I am not interested because I already have all of these varieties at home . I talked with him about the fig tree at TSAD. He said he was there 2 years ago and confirmed that he saw its fruits .

I had a very nice lunch at Darsham Nurseries : Pigeon with burned onions/buckwheat sauce 







I'm always curious about the history & stories about old fig varieties. One thing on my mind, that are the oldest fig trees and fig varieties, in particular ones from the Near East more specifically Ancient Israel and Northern Europe (France, Britain & Ireland, the Channel Islands). There's something about reconnecting with the past.

My dad's ancestry is from Guernsey, is there any varieties there besides/older the Brown Turkey??
Anyone knowledge about this? Thanks

Hello folks !

Now I can sit down and write more about the trip 

London weather was very nice during the whole time I was there . Not hot, not cold, not wet and not foggy . Just perfect .
My grandkids and I had great time running in Regent Park . It was winter time so all the big trees look same to us . No leaves. Just bare branches and their trunk was very tall . They all were sleeping, we guessed. How to know which one is a fig tree ????
Gardeners were busy replanting rose bushes, so many of them ! In another area, gardeners were busy with loads of tulip bulbs , and we were also busy helping them, so much fun that we forgot about ... fig hunting ! By the time a lady told us that there was a fig tree (a Brown Turkey) near the zoo, my youngest grandson felt tired , he just wanted to go home . Well, Brown Turkey ? We have plenty of them in the US, so it was okay to go home for dinner ..... 

I did see a number of fig friends in London and we exchanged some cuttings . But most of my cuttings were used as gifts to relatives whenever I happened to meet them .  On my way to see a lady who owns a small fig nursery, I got lost for a while , but luckily I found her home before dark. Wow, her back yard was full of fig trees and citrus (I noticed that many UK nurseries carry citrus trees for sale ), all kinds, all sizes, you name it . She has a number of very interesting varieties . They were very reasonably priced and the trees available for sale were in good size  . I especially liked the Chinese yellow fig variety but the lady said that she just got it not long ago. She also had a yellow French type fig . Name of the variety ? Just Yellow French ! 
Of course I wished I could buy all IF I could bring them home  .... Helas !
Liza, her name, drove me to another place where she stored more fig trees . Yes, just figs, nothing else . Her trees were very healthy . I happened to know that she used to own an orchard in Portugal and she knows Mr. Pons well .

One thing that I did learn from Liza is how to make tag plates . I usually bought metal tags on Ebay hopefully they would stay forever. But I was wrong. If it rains hard and consecutively in 2 weeks, the tag got soaked and split apart (manufacturers place a piece of cardboard inside of 2 thin aluminum sheets then press the whole thing together) . Figgyfrank cut metal soft drink cans to make tags (hello Frank !) . This will last an eternity, however the edges are too sharp . Liza's are from plastic milk containers. You just clean the jugs and recycle them by cutting them into the size you want and punch a hole for each tag. This is cheapest, safest and will last forever too . I really like the idea .

An espalier fig tree in London



I don't know the variety of this fig tree because the tag did not say much . This tree was 10 years old . When I came , a gardener was pruning the tree . There were a whole bunch of shoots at the base that he cut all off . The wheelbarrow got filled very fast . He welcomed  me to take as many as I could because he would dump everything .  Again, I look at the wheelbarrow and could not move my hand to reach the long cuttings . There was absolutely a battle inside of me . I had to swallow my craving needs and walked away . . .  in pain . The fruits should be good, otherwise why could it stay there for that long . Nobody wants to raise a tree that produces bad taste fruits, isn't true ?     



If you show up at fig trees from November to February anywhere you would be able to get plenty of fig cuttings for free because it is the pruning period . 

I find it hard to believe that someone would plant a fig tree that had bad tasting fruits 400 years ago. More likely, it is as you say, that it needs  a warmer and longer growing season. I have to wonder if 400 years ago they might have had a warmer and longer growing season at that location. Also, there have almost had to have been years which had uncharacteristically warm season and the figs may have ripened.

I any case, to me a cutting of a 400 year old fig tree has great interest. And to think nobody really knows, if grown under the right conditions if the fig is a good tasting fig is almost crazy. We want a fig because it comes from a famous movie, but we don't want one that it took many different peoples lifetimes to protect and keep alive? And we just don't know....

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Originally Posted by alanmercieca
Here are places with fig trees in London. I do not have the time to do a full research, yet this should help





Hi Alan,
I appreciate very much your giving me 23 locations of fig trees in the London area.
At first I did plan to visit some of the places but a local resident told me that almost all of them were Brown Turkey, so I felt discouraged a little bit. Secondary it was very hard for a visitor to run around a big city with buses and tubs to reach all the destinations  It would take a whole year to do that !    I am keeping your list and any time I have an opportunity to go to London, I will try one at a time ...

BTW I did find some Greek varieties in London . One is Varzanta/Varsanata tree owned by George A. He gave me a  map and directions how to get to his tree but since I already have that variety at home, I did not go to ... look at the tree actually because I did not have time . The fruit is very large , almost as big as an apple . But I do not know how does it taste . My tree is bearing some figlets now, maybe I will have a chance to taste the fruit in summer time . I am growing 2 types side by side in pots , so I will observe the difference between Varsana and Varsanata if they happen to be different varieties or ???

One of my air layers




Close up






There is a Cyprus type of fig in the Heathrow airport area. The tree was quite big and accordingly to the owner , the fruit is one of the largest fig in the world (?) . She said that her grandmother brought a cutting from Cyprus long time ago. Taste ? I dunno  . Hope they should be good, otherwise why they brought with them something that was not worth to grow ? I believe this one is the same as the Varzanta  
 

There is another fig tree nearby, Nero de Terlizzi, brought into UK by a Greek immigrant as a cutting . But the owner said the mother tree was originally from Italy . The fruits bear a shape of an eggplant (hello Grant of S Carolina !) . I have no idea so far, but there is a link about something similar :

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Nero-Di-Terlizzi-6102572

This was how the owner described her Nero de Terlizzi ;
The figs are large they fit in your palm 
They are green purple outside
And are pink purple white inside
They are Italian origin 

The way she described sound like same as Varzanta also !!!! Headache ! I better plant all of them side by side so I will have a chance to compare ! truly headache ...   




Varsanta3.jpg  These pictures belong to George A. of UK . The Varzanta fruit is in the middle . The other 2 are Brown Turkey

Varsanta5.jpg 

George A. instructions to his tree location :
....the nearest tube station is 7 sisters then walk upstairs ...........................street once you are out cross over the street to lidl superstore and turn right ....... street walk about 50 meters and turn left then right and it will lead you to ........ road .....corner house with garage. please text me what time you are coming
george 07.....06 house number 02.....192
 




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In London somewhere by the Thames River there is a fig tree named Chelsea .I did not have a chance to go there, but Chelsea fig trees can be bought at Thompson-Morgan  nursery .
My daughter got one and the Chelsea tree is planted in her backyard in 15 G pot size (Central London) . 

   http://www.thompson-morgan.com/fruit/fruit-trees/fig-trees/fig-chelsea-standard/t56489TM


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Hi Mai,

I've been reading your fig journey in London with interest, as I work here, firstly thank you for sharing so many interesting photos from your journey, especially from the old pub up in suffolk.
From your last post, the Chelsea fig is growing at the intersection of the A3212 (Grosvenor road) and Chelsea Bridge Road (A3216). Its next to the river west of the bridge, I tried going there armed with my secaueurs one lunchtime whist at work, but the gate that leads to the river path was locked, there is a danger sign saying do not enter.
This google maps link shows the gate location:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4856557,-0.1505906,3a,71.2y,188.63h,65.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv0X1yxfMvLlBxjw6wqkYUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

the tree is visible from the bridge:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4853247,-0.1499496,3a,15.9y,284.01h,86.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHCVVyz6t4sb8-9PgzUNdKw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

All the best,
Steve



Hi Steve,
Thank you for the info on the Chelsea fig tree by the Thames River .. Thompson-Morgan is selling the tree very cheap . I hope that my tree (in London) will bear fruits the coming summer .   

How about this one ?
Don't forget to erase this one .

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Originally Posted by ukfigsteve
Hi Mai,

I've been reading your fig journey in London with interest, as I work here ...




Hi Steve,
 You work in London or at the Ship of Dunwich ?

Someone said that nearby the Ship Of Dunwich there is another fig tree but I did walk around the neighborhood and found no big fig tree at all ! Maybe I walked in the wrong direction ? 

Last Thanksgiving I happened to buy a 10 yo fig tree and the previous owner wanted me to dig all the roots out . I threw away a lot of roots, but still keep some for observation .
To my surprise recently one root shoots out a fig plant ! So I think of the fig at TSOD . If it has been there for 400 years or more or less (nobody knows exactely the number), its roots would crawl all over the places for miles and might end up shooting up some fig trees in the area  ????  

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Originally Posted by Blackfoot
I find it hard to believe that someone would plant a fig tree that had bad tasting fruits 400 years ago. More likely, it is as you say, that it needs  a warmer and longer growing season. ...


That is my guess . Actually nobody knows for sure about its true age and nobody has any idea why the fruit did not ripen . 
The museum next door has some info regarding the harbor that used to be there and some items left after the coast wiped out the whole village .


 






Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackfoot

I any case, to me a cutting of a 400 year old fig tree has great interest. And to think nobody really knows, if grown under the right conditions if the fig is a good tasting fig is almost crazy. We want a fig because it comes from a famous movie, but we don't want one that it took many different peoples lifetimes to protect and keep alive? And we just don't know....




There was a pile of branches nearby the tree. I guess (!) that the pub would welcome anyone to come and take these branches away so they do not have to burn or dump them hehehe  
I broke some of the branches, the inside was still green .... 



Hi Mai,

I work in London, not at the pub you visited :-)

I'm always keeping my eye open for fig trees here, but I recon most of them that you would find in peoples gardens or parks (and probably the older trees) are likely to be ones which will ripen the breba crop here, i.e. brown turkey, Brunswick, White Marseilles etc

The only exception, like you said earlier is people from warmer countries bringing scion wood of local varieties from the Mediterranean region etc, but it's not easy to identify varieties,

best regards
Steve

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Originally Posted by ukfigsteve
Hi Mai,

The only exception, like you said earlier is people from warmer countries bringing scion wood of local varieties from the Mediterranean region etc, but it's not easy to identify varieties,

Steve



Oh, you are a Londoner ! and you are probably a fig collector ? 
Did you ever try to grow a piece of that Dunwich fig tree in order to identify its variety  ?
By the time I was there, young shoots were everywhere in the back yard . Since the tree was so so so big, it is very hard for the pub to keep pruning it in a regular basis  .
 

Hi Mai,

I'm afraid I can't help you with the identity of the Dunwich tree, I work in London but live in a small town called Chelmsford, i've never been up to the pub to see the tree. If I ever do, i will have secateurs with me to take some cuttings :-)

There's a photo of the tree in leaf here: (click to zoom in)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14919622@N02/4696432708

Maybe an experienced figger could make a guess at the cultivar?, I see a few three node leaves, so it's probably not a brown turkey, and you said earlier that the figs don't ripen, so I assume a unifere late ripening variety?

Steve

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