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I've seen this done a few times by other members and thought I would give it a try.  Pleaching, I think I've heard it referred to as.  I had extra plants and with Figs on every windowsill in the house I have to do something since Winter won't release it's hold on us.

The three varieties:  Hollier, Sal's Corleone, Desert King.  A light Fig, Dark fig, and Breba fig.  I just hope they grow similarly.

Enjoy.

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I look forward to seeing the end result, and everything in between! 

I don't know anything about those varieties, but creative pruning should help overcome any growth disparities.

Plan on in-ground or potted?
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Well done!  Can't wait to see how it comes out.
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Looks like a great job!
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Mr. Foster....

Visual proof of the braiding process.  You can throw them in the ground for faster fusing, and rapid growth.  The more leaves, the faster they'll fuse together.  Keep braiding the tops as the trees elongate, and become taller.

Very nice job...and nice to see.  Keep the photos coming to document the progress.

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Nice job. I do this in fall with some of my extra plants.
It's fun to figure out which figs should go together.
(3) 1 gallon figs will fit perfectly into a 7 gallon container for pleaching and you don't have to cut up the roots too much or clean up too much dirt mess.
These make excellent gifts and people just love the braided look.
One fault of this system; if you use varieties with very different growth rates it requires a lot of pruning and loss of energy to keep the "pleach" even.
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Thanks for posting, great pictures. How large (tall) are you planning to maintain these trees?
Please keep us updated on its progress.
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I'll make sure to continue the post for sure.   How tall I plan on continuing the braid depends on the growth rate of each of the three varieties.  If one slows to a crawl and the other shoot up, I'll have a decision to make.    I plan on putting it in a pot and then planting the pot in the ground for easy Fall removal.

Bob,  Proud to have your Desert King there in the braid. And also proud to have BLB's Sal's is in there too.  

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Fantastic!
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pleached 1.JPG back porch.jpg 

As promised.  This was taken today.  The three trees in the braid are growing fine.  Only issue is that my Sal's Corleone figs blew up as they ripened.  Maybe not the best variety to have used.

Enjoy

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   That's clever. Very attractive. 
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Oh what a unique idea!  I have got to try this.  Thanks for sharing this.  =)
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Love it!
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dfoster:

BRAVO!  Great way to grow at least three different figs in one hole.  As the individual trunks keep getting thicker the cambium layers will start to fuse into one, composite-trunk.  The tops can be trained into a nice rack of branches, which will bear different figs.  Great job.

Also, using three or more of the same variety will ensure the same ripening and growing characteristics, but you will sacrifice the novelty aspect of the training, and braiding efforts.  But still, it's a good way to increase the yield of your favorite fig without wasting too much space for individual trees.  Braid and train, three, four, or five, e.g. "Col de Dames" together....and you got yourself a tree!

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By the way....why can't Apples, Pears, Pawpaws, etc. be grown the same way?  All these trees need pollinators for better yields, so plant different trees in the same hole, and braid/plait/pleach them.  Why nurseries don't use this method instead of grafting to "create" trees bearing different varieties on the same tree, is beyond me.  I think braiding is easier than grafting.

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Check out "Arborsculpture" web-sites for other ideas for using plants and trees. 


"As the twig is bent, so grows the tree"


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Very nice work!  Well done!
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Nice work. Thanks for sharing. I think I'll try one too.
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A bud graft is fairly easy to perform on apples, plus you can get the rootstock that you like that performs well for the varieties you wish to graft.  
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Very nice trees, thanks for sharing.

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Makes a nice conversation piece.
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bump on old thread.  Would love to see pic of your braid now.

I plan on braiding as well.  I've got three considerations to take account of:

1.  Cold hardy (as I'm in zone 6B)
2.  Fig color (would like a dark and light braided tree)
3.  Constant harvest (would like it to provide an early, mid-season and late harvest)

Below are my choices for the braided trees.  Please let me know if you have any concerns regarding the choices.

Light Fig Braid:
1. Early - Desert King
2. Mid - Improved Celeste
3. Late - Col de Dame Blanc

Dark Fig Braid:
1. Early - Marseilles Black
2. Mid - Ronde de Bordeaux
3. Late - Kathleen Black
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Posted Reply with quote  #21 
I personally think it would be better to have 3 different colored or shaded figs on the same tree - more striking, more fun :)
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I keep trying to remember to update this post. I will next week when I return from vacation.
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dfoster-

Would love to see some photos of the trees as they are now.  I'm sure others would to.  Very interesting to see pleached/plaited figs.  I can see that the individual stems are starting to fatten up.

I have some plans to braid some tissue-cultured "Olympian" and "Black Mission" ....but I have to wait for them to grow long enough to be braided.

Good luck with your tri-fig, "patio tree".


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Imagine what you could get on Ebay for that baby?  Let's start at $500.  Any bids?

Good job!

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Quote:
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I've seen this done a few times by other members and thought I would give it a try.  Pleaching, I think I've heard it referred to as.  I had extra plants and with Figs on every windowsill in the house I have to do something since Winter won't release it's hold on us.

The three varieties:  Hollier, Sal's Corleone, Desert King.  A light Fig, Dark fig, and Breba fig.  I just hope they grow similarly.

Enjoy.



Get some small wood dowels or pegs and insert them
in the gaps between your braids, can use plastic as well
like from a plastic coat hanger you cut up.
Helps keep the holes open and delays the fusing of the trunks.

The link below has a few photos (dormant) of a couple of Belleclare Nursery
braided trees, these were the personal trees (collection) of the owner, Chris DiPoala
Larger braided tree is over 20 years old.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/some-not-so-good-pictures-6158377?trail=50&highlight=belleclare
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Quote:
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Imagine what you could get on Ebay for that baby?  Let's start at $500.  Any bids?

Good job!

Suzi

How much would a 10 foot high, 20+ year old
Belleclare original braided tree be worth ?  :-)
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Below are my choices for the braided trees.  
Please let me know if you have any concerns regarding the choices.


Most important is choosing three cultivars that will have the same growth rates.

If you have two fast growing and one slow growing,
the braid will not be visually appealing, nor will the tree.

 
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Thanks Suzi!

HungryJack

I think it was that topic or one like it that gave me the idea or inspiration for doing this in the first place.   The Sal's Corleone is the slow one of the 3 but they all seem to be doing fine sharing the same space.
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Thanks Suzi!

HungryJack

I think it was that topic or one like it that gave me the idea or inspiration for doing this in the first place.   The Sal's Corleone is the slow one of the 3 but they all seem to be doing fine sharing the same space.

I will try to take some pictures of the braided trees next week,
they look much nicer leafed out.
I have a third Belleclare braid that came from a personal friend of the owner,
it has one slower growing variety, tree is 15 years old,
and you can see how it effects the look.  Will take a photo for you.

Your trees look healthy.
Couple of suggestions,
needs more braiding,  you want about 4-5 feet of braid (trunk)
or a height you want to establish.  Then you cut the tops and
let them start forming the canopy.  If you do it this way,
the tree will get wider canopy each year and limits the vertical growth.

I would say your tree is a bit too tall for the amount of braid you have.
Concentrating allot of the trees energy into growth that eventually not wanted.
If you growing the top for cuttings, I understand.
But once you top the tree and start developing the canopy and eliminate
the vertical grow,  you will start increasing the caliper of the trunk,
which really makes the tree attractive.  Larger container helps as well.
Would also prune off any growth on the braid or any part of the trunk you
plan to braid  as soon as you see it starting.

 
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Dan, this is amazing! A taste of something unique and worth giving it a try. How old is the braid? At what point does it get tough to continue the process or maybe a better question at what point should you stop braiding and let it grow at will?
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@  dfoster25: 

Love the way your braided tree is starting to look.  I especially like the weaving method that you selected which is just slightly easier to do with thicker stems, than the traditional three-strand braiding.  That tri-part main stem will have some really nice twisting undulations as the tree ages.  Bravo!  A great way to save valuable space...three trees in one.  Clever....unique...visually interesting.

I can't wait for my tissue-cultured trees to grow taller so I could start the twisting/braiding process.  I'm going to do some braiding using a single variety, "Black Mission" which is one of my favorite figs.  It's nice to see what can be done by using a little imagination.  Not as interesting as using three different varieties, but at the very least, the "BM" trees will all grow and ripen figs at the same rate.  A Franken-Mission.  : )



@ hungryjack: 

The Belleclare plaited trees, are wonderful to look at.  Love the fat trunks.  Thanks for the link.
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I agree HungryJack. It's getting too tall. I'll probably cut it way back. It's too tall to continue any of the braiding at this point.

Waynea

The start of the post is when I started it. Last spring?
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HungryJack,

I see you threw another variable into the equation: growth rate.

I can totally see your point on this.  Is there a good source to provide this kind of information?  

Now I've got four variables to contend with:

1. Cold Hardy
2. Fig type
3. Ripening time
4. Growth rate

Another question for the masters of fig braiding...  what is a good size pot to start a braid in and what would be the typical schedule for up-potting?

This is a great thread with tons of info.

Thanks.
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dfoster,

Thanks for the photo update of your braid.  I too think the braiding pattern you used is really beautiful.  Does anyone know of a source of different braiding patterns?  I'm thinking it would depend on the number of trees in the braid, but there shouldn't be too many variations.
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This is great. I'm not good at grafting. I will try this instead to free up some room in the garden. What do you think, fall the best time to do this after the figs are done?
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@ smithmal.....For braiding/weaving patterns  try:

Rope Weaving; Paracord weaving; and Challah Bread braiding; videos on You-Tube.  Think outside the box for additional sources.  Hibiscus weaving; Hair-braiding videos Palm Frond weaving videos, also.  Just substitute fig stems for the original braiding materials.  I've done this kind of braiding using other plants (seedling oaks and maples), and anything over a four-stem braid is really difficult.

However, fig stems must be green, and soft, and are usually braided into position, gradually, over time.  Thin, tall, and wiry, green stems, work better than shorter, thicker stems.  Braiding is a work in progress, and don't expect tightly braided stems.  Figs stems don't bend as easily as rope, or, some other plant material.  Green, and semi-lignified wood will only bend just so far, and then....it snaps.  Use plenty of foam covered twist ties or tape, to hold the braided stems in position.  Over time, the braided stems will take a set, and stay in place.  I found that a well placed, thin, stainless-steel wood screw (drill a smaller diameter pilot hole first, to avoid splitting) going through all the three of stems, at the topmost crossing will lock the three braided stems in place and will prevent the individual stems from trying to unravel.  As the braided stems start to thicken, and try to expand away from one another, the top screw - that locks them in place - will not allow this, and the stems will start to fuse-graft over time wherever the cambium layers cross and touch, and eventually over time, will become "one" thicker, composite-trunk.

You can probably plait fruit tree whips together also.  Most use bud grafting, but a braided apple tree or Paw Paw tree would look better, and visually, be more interesting, I think.  Trees needing male and female flowers to produce fruit can also be braided together....forever locked in a botanical embrace, that will assure progeny....  Be the first to grow "menage a trois" pears...or a have cherry bacchanalia.


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Bump! DFoster: Just thought I would bump this thread and ask for an updated picture of your braided trees. Fabulous idea!
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Beautiful. What do you do with the new growth from the bottom in the Spring, Just cut it off?
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Dave! I'd like to see an updated picture too. Thinking about doing this myself.
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BUMP!
Michael, just curious if you ever did this fig braid. Or, if anyone else has.


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Nice job. I do this in fall with some of my extra plants.
It's fun to figure out which figs should go together.
(3) 1 gallon figs will fit perfectly into a 7 gallon container for pleaching and you don't have to cut up the roots too much or clean up too much dirt mess.
These make excellent gifts and people just love the braided look.
One fault of this system; if you use varieties with very different growth rates it requires a lot of pruning and loss of energy to keep the "pleach" even.
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This is really cool, thanks for bumping this!
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I actually gave away the plant to a fellow member. He was in the process of building a house recently and downsized. I think he let the plant go.
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This is the last picture he sent.

One of the reasons I don't post pics much here anymore is the difficulty of attaching photos. This forum always has a problem with the size of my pictures.

I do much of my social media stuff from my iPhone now so this forum limits me a bit.



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Oh, how sad if it died. It was so beautiful! My trees are almost the right size so i will be making one
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Yes, i have the same issue. I do most everything with my cell.

So this is a new braid?

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This is the last picture he sent.

One of the reasons I don't post pics much here anymore is the difficulty of attaching photos. This forum always has a problem with the size of my pictures.

I do much of my social media stuff from my iPhone now so this forum limits me a bit.




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I know, right?! Thats why i bumped it. Great idea frim Dfoster!

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I reached out to him this morning. The braid is alive and well.

It's now about three years old.

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I would trim the suckers , but other than that, it looks ok. I may try this again with some more desirable varieties.

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Hey that looks great!! Wow! I will work on getting some of my young trees together to make one this winter. Do you think dormancy is good timing for this?

thanks for following up on your first master piece. I love it!

What varieties would you consider for my zone? Im in 10a.

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Originally Posted by dfoster25
I would trim the suckers , but other than that, it looks ok. I may try this again with some more desirable varieties.

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Socorro Blk
Wuhan 
Jolly Tiger
Lamperia Preta
Herschtetten
St. Jean
Black Ischia

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