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Fig Jungle Grafting

In August 2015 i published this picture of one of my "fig jungles".

"Fig "Jungle" - Two old fig trees - not very good quality or identical to others i have - heavily pruned and somewhat neglected until know - lots of new growth everywhere, several from roots in ground . Useful for future graft attempts.

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Almost 2 years later, my fig jungles have changed quite drastically. More than 2 dozen varieties grafted in each and more to come.

I'm using them to secure the best varieties i receive (my grafting success rate is very high) so, now, i always graft one of the cuttings i receive (whip and tongue the top of the cutting and chip graft the buds on the lower end), to be on the safe side.

Another plus, some of the varieties even start producing the first year they are grafted.





A few more photos of some of the grafts with one year (Here) to see how they healed. 




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a Very impressive preservation technique! Thank You for posting.

I'm interested in trying some grafting.  Most likely I'd start with T bud grafts, but I could see graduating later to whip and cleft.  Recently I brought a bud grafting knife and some tape, and I'm hoping to start this spring.  Any advice based on your experience?

Great strategy and great outcome... A good model for many in warm climates...

Very nice work, Jaime.
Will you let these scions grow further into a new "fig jungle", or will you remove them if they are no longer needed as back up?


  Good job, Jaime!

   The kindred brothers to your trees reside here with me...   they too look like Civil War veterans with all of the grafting bandages wrapped around every limb!

looks awesome! 

I agree that the whip tongue on the top, and a chip graft or two lower down, is the best approach.  I find those techniques to have the best success rate on my fig tree, and no t-bud I ever tried took.


edited to change "cleft" to "chip"

Thanks for all the kind comments.

jrdewwhirst,
You can start with T-buds, but bear in mind that you need green cuttings to use that technique because the bark has to slip.
The advantage of chip bud grafts is that you can use the buds of dormant cuttings to graft just when the stocks begin to move the sap. Also, i think T-buds might be a bit more difficult to master than Chip Bud grafting for someone that is starting.

Also, Chip Bud grafting can be done during the whole year, even with green buds, like you can see in these photos. The key factor is protecting the bud from loss of moisture and excess heat exposure. In my book, the correct protection of the fig grafts is essential, much more than with other fruit types.

Timo,
I'm removing cuttings to root or give to friends and i don't intend to remove any variety before they prove their worth. Properly pruned during their growth, i think i can have a "disciplined" Fig Jungle that may prove very interesting.
Probably a few that prove poorly in my climate will be regrafted with other more desirable or interesting varieties. I probably won't remove most totaly (i will leave a branch at least), as i have a collector's bone and so, i can't get rid of varieties very easily and they can prove useful to a friend in another location.

Bluemalibu,
They really look like wounded soldiers. Most of the time i don't remove the old grafting tape to remind me the location of the graft during the first year and, with some materials they linger on a bit more - if it wasn't for those "bandages" the graft can prove quite difficult to locate, after a couple of years. 


Hi Jaime.

Congratulations!  Well done - This is a nice job.
Time for a new round of grafts and chips is drawing near and I have checked your 'wish list'
Hope we shall be doing something soon about it.

BTW, Jeremiah just came in for lunch today and gave me a few Violeta sticks
With one of them (which is for you) I wonder if you could test the performance of this cultivar once it is grafted (probably a whip&tong ) to a live piece of strong and healthy root. I believe your environment is ideal for this test... I shall be doing same on a far drier place and to compare.
cheers
Francisco
Portugal

Thanks Francisco,

You are too kind, as always. I will be sending some of these grafted varieties your way in a couple of weeks (some cuttings and some airlayers) to compensate your kindness.

Most cuttings are extremely robust because they benefit from being grafted to a strong and healthy root. 
I grafted and rooted most of these varieties, so i can compare both techniques and, usually the difference is impressive, even abysmal, with some grafts reaching incredible development from a single bud, especialy when an older rootstock concentrates all it's strenght in one bud, like in the following case:


If the rootstock is too young there is not much difference in development between rooted and grafted and, in a few cases (very few), the graft is even less robust, like this one where the young rootstock had lots of competition from the roots of other fruit trees (now removed to give it a chance):

Super job Jamie!
I love grafting but have not had luck with fig grafts (splice and cleft). 
This year will try your suggestion of chip grafts.  Looks like need to keep the scion dormant and healthy until the rootstock sap starts flowing. 

Hi Jaime

Thank you very much for your kind  offer, as well as all your pictorial documentation on grafting
It's great what you doing, experimenting all those combinations.
I agree that the chip (chip budding) is the easiest/fastest and most successful method to do it  almost all year round.
For those willing to do it , I would advise that you must prepare the ground getting the tooling (*)  ready as well as stocks and scions  as in a few weeks time,  the weather shall be great for those grafts

Francisco

(*) A professional seller of grafting knives always ask  if the buyer is right or left handed
The blade profiles for RH or LH operators are different 

Thanks, Pino

I have several cuttings in the fridge, waiting for warmer weather so i can start grafting, as Francisco is saying. Probably late February, early March in my zone.

The cuttings were disinfected and individually wrapped in plastic film. They can be maintained this way in the bottom drawer of the fridge, in very good condition for several months, until it's time to graft. 

Regarding luck with fig grafts... I already had success with grafting other fruit types and my first attempts at fig grafting were a complete failure. I found out that they need to be much more well protected against loss of moisture than other fruits, so they all failed because of lack of protection.

I wrap every graft in parafilm (to keep the moisture in) and, afterwards, i cover them with aluminium foil or, in some cases, a paper bag (or an old envelope, or a bread microperforated paper bag) to protect against direct sun.
Then, usually after 3-4 weeks,  i gradually remove the sun protection. It's not necessary to remove the parafilm, as the new buds punch through it (as long as we remember to stretch it a bit when covering the buds).







Later in the season, it's also very important to make several shallow cuts below the graft to allow the excess sap to escape (most grafts can fail because of the excess sap during this period that can "drown" the graft).
Also, with chip budding we must never remove the leaves above the graft completely during the first few weeks (i do it gradually over several weeks or months), so the sap keeps flowing.
If the upper portion of the branch is cut too soon, the fig tree may remove all the sap from that branch and the chip will dry out and fail.
The exception to this "rule" is the whip and tongue technique were the apical dominance of the terminal bud of the graft concentrates all the sap, so it doesn't dry out (provided we don't leave lower branches that "steal" the flow. But it only does that after it takes and the sap starts flowing, so it must be much more well protected than a chip.

In the end, we have to make our own experiences. I remember reading about grafting an adult tree from very reputed forum members, like Axier. In his step by step guide he talked at length about chip-budding and said that it was the best method to graft figs and could be used as late as August. I found out i can use it until October/November depending on the weather and the zone (i'm in zone 9a/9b).

If the graft takes (it only needs 2-3 weeks to fuse) it will be dormant until next spring (if too green, it should be protected to better resist the cold weather)
(we must never lose hope in a chip that took and looks dried. Sometimes a chip grafted in March may stay dormant for a full year and break bud after 12 months!)

Also, he advised that the sun cover should be removed in a week or less. When i did it, i lost some grafts. Now i keep it until i see young leaves, sometimes 2 weeks or more after the graft, and i open it gradually to provide some sun, but also shade.
It really depends on your location and weather.

Also, i remember reading in a message, in the old GardenWeb forum, that he didn't recommend cleft/whip and tongue and other similar methods: "I know expert grafters who have tried the whip and crown grafting methods in figs, they are absolutely discouraging with very poor results. In the case of whip grafting 0% success."
 
If the cuttings are in good shape i have almost 90% success using whip and tongue. It's my prefered method if i have a cutting with a terminal bud. So, experimentation is the key.
We should accept the recommendations of others with more experience, but there is not an universal truth in these matters. 


Francisco,
You are entirely right. It's very important the use of a good and sharp grafting knife (clean cuts are a must to achieve success). It doesn't have to be very expensive. The one i use cost $5 USD.
I sharpen it using Japanese stones of different grains and these were 10 times the cost of the grafting knife.

The other key factor in grafting, as you pointed out in another thread, is crossing cambium layers between the chip and the stock. And, with the odd shape we obtain when removing chips from fig cuttings, it's almost impossible to perfectly align a chip without making it cross the cambium of the branch we are grafting to.

 




"chucklikestofish 
thanks jamie  for the info,i am considering grafting trees this season,but know nothing ,i have seen a few diff methods ,which would you suggest for a beginner ,~??? "

I would recommend cleft or chip-budding they are quite simple, even for a beginner. Then, when you get a bit more experience, i would switch to whip and tongue instead of cleft (better percentage of success and a more solid joint). 

Cleft
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Whip and Tongue
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Regarding chip-budding, Jon has published quite clear photos of this and others grafting methods in this thread - https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/chipbud-grafting-4743760

Check the photos on this message from that thread - https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=40508405&postcount=16&forum=0


Note 1:
When beginning, whatever the method used, people often try to align perfectly the cambiums. If they fail, the graft  is lost. It's better to cross the cambium at one (or several) point(s). If they cross, they touch and start fusing.

Note2:
But the most important part is protecting the graft against loss of moisture as i've said in the messages above.
The cuts don't have to be perfect, but the protection (in fig trees) is a must.

Francisco has published the following youtube grafting video in another thread.



The grafter does a terrible job doing the cuts (using shears instead of a sharp grafting knife), splitting the cuts, preparing the scions and so on. He also doesn't do a very good job of aligning the cambium layers (probably because he knows he doesn't need too (provided they cross at some point)
But he takes his time to tie and protect them with several layers of plastic and paper, so they don't dry or get too hot when fusing. When i saw that video, i already did a much better job than him with the cuts, but i thought the fig tree was like an apple or a pear tree and i didn't worry to protect the grafts and so, they all failed the first times i did them. When i started protecting them, that changed radically.




Update on one of my grafted fig jungles.


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March/April - Added 24 more varieties to the area (total - 52 varieties grafted)

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My grafted fig jungle in June 2017:

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It's quite nice to see the mix of different leaf shapes:

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fig_jungle7_Preto_Rocha_Junho_2017.JPG 

fig_jungle7b_São_Luís_Junho_2017.JPG

fig_jungle8a_Black_Bursa_Junho_2017.JPG   

fig_jungle8b_Junho_2017.JPG

fig_jungle4b_Sarilop_Junho_2017.JPG   

fig_jungle6b_Junho_2017.JPG

fig_jungle6a_Manresa_Junho_2017.JPG

fig_jungle9b_Negronne_Junho_2017.JPG


Many of the grafts, made in March or April have grown quite well:

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preto_azenjar_Maio_2017.JPG   

preto_azenjar_2_Junho_2017.JPG 

fig_jungle5_Junho_2017.JPG 

fig_jungle9_Junho_2017.JPG 

As i said before, the main objective is having backups for the varieties that i am rooting and might fail. Being too crowded, many may not produce very well and might only serve as material source, but with careful pruning i might get some figs (some are already producing a few). We shall see in the coming years.


Hi Jaime.
Thankyou for posting this.I started my own foil Christmas tree this February and since airlayered about a dozen or
so grafts off.This is a very good technique . I mostly used
up my root suckers,whip and tongue graft with high success
rate.There a few grafts I haven't airlayered off yet,maybe
someone can advise.Pic #1 CdDR -Should I airlayer now
or after figs ripen?
Pic#2 st.Rita grafted in celeste forest,Its an extra and Im
thinking of just leaving it alone.This thing is 5' tall,been
been pinched and wont stop growing.
Thanks,Geno

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Hi Geno,

Nice graft job. Regarding airlayering now or after figs ripen i can only say what happened with a CdDR that i grafted to a root sucker of my 10 variety grafted tree.

This is the sucker grafted with CdDR in March 2016:
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My intention was to preserve the only cutting i had received of that precious variety and later do an airlayer of this grafted sucker.

But with a few months of development i didn't think that the graft was strong enough and i didn't want to risk the airlayer. So i decided to wait another year.

Here is the graft in March 2017 (one year later):
Col_Dama_Roja_2_Março_2017.JPG 

In May i started to see some figs developing and decided to wait a bit more.
Col_Dama_Roja_2b_Maio_2017.JPG 

And here's the graft now:
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Col_Dama_Roja_4_Junho_2017.JPG   


Now i started thinking - why am i considering an airlayer now? Then i will have to place it in a pot or find a place to root the new tree - with all the adaptation problems that may occur?

With this rate of development and all those figs, why risk it?
Why not leave it where it is and, next spring, root a couple of cuttings instead...

And so, i finally decided to wait and see if i can sample some figs this year. I will think of propagating it later in the year.

Best of luck, whatever you decide...



Olá Jaime..
That CdDR graft  is a great success- Congratulations
When I see the green surroundings around your plants, the grass,  .. I really envy you.
Drier and drier every season here

cheers
Francisco

Olá Francisco,

The high humidity has advantages - i don't deny it. Nevertheless, it has disadvantages also. I also envy your photos of figs matured perfectly in October/November.
I start to have problems with figs splitting or getting watered down as soon as mid September.

And don't get me started with the full time job of clearing the base of my fruit trees from weeds, almost all year round.

How is the proverb? "The grass is always greener in the neighbor's yard..." :-)

Best regards,


Yes Jaime.. you right!
- all goodies have a cost!-

Francisco

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