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Nice wrapping Joe.  I found that inexpensive zip ties keep the tree nice and compact and are easy to clip come spring.  2-3 did most of my trees. 

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Originally Posted by ohjustaguy


You should watch some youtube videos on "climate battery" . I think you can do it easily without heat/electricity (except for fan pushing air through battery) if you are going to insulate the soil 6 feet deep. 

This greenhouse consult company has some good info as well:

http://www.ceresgs.com/



Did you look at the cost of those greenhouses? 30,000+. An insulated foundation isn't nearly that expensive.

This is great! Not very practical for tons of trees....But what a couple of trees so far north. Great work!

http://theitaliangardenproject.com/wrapping-a-fig-tree-savinell-style/

So much dedication and hard work. Much respect!

In re Post#3: "As much as I don't want to find out...I wonder what would happen if it broke dormancy in the dark all wrapped up like that. Or if it could in the dark....Hmmm"
Last winter my trees were overwintered in the basement.  They were young and hadn't branched out too much.  To keep them in the dark I used the cardboard rolls from empty aluminum foil containers (cling wrap, toilet tissue, whatever) to cover the branches to keep them in the dark.  For the longer branches I used brown wrapping paper that I had laying around to and made long tubes for the longer branches.  This kept the branches in the dark when I had the light on in the basement.
The trees started leafing out in March, some in April, even those that were totally covered.  The growth was very light green as you'd expect.  I think the air temperature as much as the daylight hours is what makes them come out of dormancy.  I plan to keep the basement colder in March/April than I did last year. 
On another note, looking at how they covered up the in-ground tree with bagged leaves I wonder if bagged paper shreddings would work as a substitute for the bagged leaves.  I completely missed getting bagged leaves this year.  Total bummer for me.  Sadly my raised beds are naked this year ;-(

In theory the trees shouldn't break dormancy (I'm told) as long as they remain under 8C (46F). The built in thermostat on the cable shuts off the power at 7C (45F) ...again only going back on when it drops below freezing....so my hope is that it never gets warm enough for this to be a problem.

This is also why I buried the thermostat inside with the tree. The idea being if it was outside it would never shut off.

If this works well my plan next year is to use this type of temperature controller to set it to come on and off even lower:  

https://wrap-on.com/product/heavy-duty-adjustable-thermostat/

With this one I can just set an array of cables on different trees to -5C (23F) and in theory it'll keep it that way...

This is the plan anyhow...Subscribe to this post and you can see the unveiling in spring....


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Originally Posted by TorontoJoe

OK. Last year I wrapped my in-ground figs like this and despite the mild winter we had, this tree died back to the ground. As you can imagine this had been keeping me awake at night.

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A few days ago an idea came to me that was inspired (I think) by Johnparav and his glorious Figloo. Also I read somewhere where people do something similar with palm trees in cold weather.

I went to the local Home Depot and picked up one of these:

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Only 30 watts when it's on

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Built in thermostat that switches on at 0 C (32F).

 

I unwrapped it and luckily I did. It had been pushed way off to one side against the house wrap I was using to cover it.

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A few layers of burlap so it can’t get too warm and around the tree the cable goes.

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Follow up with a few layers of fiberglass pink and some stakes to keep the tarp from squishing the insulation

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Finished with tarps and some mulch at the base and topped with a stylish hat.

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I’ll follow up on this post in the spring for the big reveal. Fingers crossed it’ll be ready to go with no die-back, and that it's not a roasted fig tree…..


I left the others just covered as usual with house wrap and leaves over burlap.....We'll see how they do this winter.

~i would be shocked if this tree freezes ,i don't think it will, i think you got er now A ??

Just an idea you can also use a  thermo pot as in here - just bury it in ground...

Joe --

Living in Z6 as I do (like you) and relying on protection too, it's troubling to me that your protection last year didn't work better.  

Trying to ferret out reasons:

1.  What is the variety?  Apologies if you said and I missed it.

2.  When did you cover the plants?

3.  What was the coldest weather before covering?

4.  When did you uncover the plants?

5.  At that point, what was the condition:
  a.  Dry and brittle?
  b.  Wet and moldy?
  c.  Apparently healthy, only to die later?

6.  What was the coldest weather after you removed the covering? 

Here we also had a mild winter 2015-16 but there was some unusually cold weather in early spring -- mid-April, as I recall.  I had damage on one protected tree that I believe happened because (a) the tree began to emerge from dormancy in early April while still under cover, (b) I uncovered it partially, intending only to provide better ventilation, then (c) cold weather and harsh north winds hit.   The damage occurred in a section of the tree most exposed to the north wind.

There's a possibility that your tree was warm enough through the depths of winter but too warm in early spring.  If that's what happened, more warmth in the winter won't help and may make things worse by encouraging early emergence from dormancy.

Not sure who has actually used heat tape.
Heat tape with a thermostat either is off or on.
When it is on it gets very warm. I just hope it does not cook your tree.

If I knew the maximum temperature the heat tape
runs at, that would be where I would start.

Plenty of insulation before wrapping heat tape might
help from excessive heat transmitted to the tree itsself.
just my thoughts. Hope it works for you.

Doug

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I would suggest leaving the burlap and driving
wood stakes 8-10" away from tree and wrap the heat tape around the stakes.
Then insulate over that.
That way no direct heat can harm your branches.

Hey Doug. No excessive heat problems here. I did indicate the specs above but this stuff is perfect. It doesn't get "warm" at all. Warmth it not the purpose of this tape. Rather just "not frozen". It has a built-in thermostat. It comes on at 0 C (32F) and shuts back off at 7C (45F). It has a self test and to the touch it doesn't even feel warm.

This tape doesn't so much "heat" as much as only take away the bitter cold edge on the days that temperatures really dip.

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Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic
Not sure who has actually used heat tape.
Heat tape with a thermostat either is off or on.
When it is on it gets very warm. I just hope it does not cook your tree.

If I knew the maximum temperature the heat tape
runs at, that would be where I would start.

Plenty of insulation before wrapping heat tape might
help from excessive heat transmitted to the tree itsself.
just my thoughts. Hope it works for you.

Doug

edit
I would suggest leaving the burlap and driving
wood stakes 8-10" away from tree and wrap the heat tape around the stakes.
Then insulate over that.
That way no direct heat can harm your branches.

Good to know.
Was afraid it may dry it out, but sounds good.
Good luck

Doug

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Originally Posted by jrdewhirst
Joe --

Living in Z6 as I do (like you) and relying on protection too, it's troubling to me that your protection last year didn't work better.  

Thanks Joe. I think it's above but I can certainly summarize. In-line below to your questions:

Trying to ferret out reasons:

1.  What is the variety?  Apologies if you said and I missed it.

Chicago hardy. Planted in-ground at I believe 3 years old.

2.  When did you cover the plants?

I covered the plants pretty much immediately after the first frost when it dropped its leaves

3.  What was the coldest weather before covering?

One mild frost

4.  When did you uncover the plants?

After posted last frost. May 10th or so....Can't recall exactly

5.  At that point, what was the condition:
  a.  Dry and brittle?
  b.  Wet and moldy?
  c.  Apparently healthy, only to die later?

It was pretty dry and brittle and dead down to just a few inches above ground.

6.  What was the coldest weather after you removed the covering? 

No frost after uncovering. What died happened before uncovering. This happened to two trees on my property of the same age, protected the same way, planted at the same time. My heat tape experiment is only on one tree so I can compare in spring.

Here we also had a mild winter 2015-16 but there was some unusually cold weather in early spring -- mid-April, as I recall.  I had damage on one protected tree that I believe happened because (a) the tree began to emerge from dormancy in early April while still under cover, (b) I uncovered it partially, intending only to provide better ventilation, then (c) cold weather and harsh north winds hit.   The damage occurred in a section of the tree most exposed to the north wind.

There was no sign of emerging from dormancy when I had uncovered. No new growth that developed while covered.

There's a possibility that your tree was warm enough through the depths of winter but too warm in early spring.  If that's what happened, more warmth in the winter won't help and may make things worse by encouraging early emergence from dormancy.


The heat tape doesn't get warm. Just doesn't freeze. Maximum temperature is still well within the range where it should remain dormant. See previous post. 

I'll definitely post my results with both trees come spring.

One last thing - I have potted trees currently in my attached garage. Since dormancy of those trees temps have risen in there higher than the temp that this cable will heat. 

I think calling a heat cable is not really accurate. It's not hot...just not frozen.....

I'm not sure it's science but I'm very optimistic. Fingers crossed I'll be sharing some good results in spring....


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Originally Posted by elin
Just an idea you can also use a  thermo pot as in here - just bury it in ground...



I'm not exactly sure of the application for this within the scope of figs. I don't get how this would be useful unless you were trying to over-winter your figs in this pot outside for some reason...where you could otherwise just bring it into a protected area....and either way you'd still have die back above grade. Perhaps if you couldn't protect your potted figs due to lack of space?  

Are you using this? 

OK folks, it's time! All winter I've been staring out the back window wondering how this tree was doing. So here we go. Step 1 - Go HERE and turn it up!

Electro-fig was uncovered today and here's what I found.... First I peeled back the covers

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I was relieved that the insulation was dry

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Peeling back to the heating cables my boy stepped in to ask, "What on earth IS that on the tree?"

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Down to nothing more than the burlap now.... so nervous

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And here is it! Perfect!

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No die-back! It worked!

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Now here's the thing I didn't mention before. This tree is on the south side of my house. On the north side is another CH that I bought and planted on the same say as this one. They were of the same batch and age at time of planting. That tree, I protected with building wrap, leaves and no heat cable. I uncovered that tree today as well.

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On the outside all the same. Everything seems in place.

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Here you go. The tree will do fine... But serious die-back on all the branches.

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I know this is by no means scientific method... But I'm pretty confident the cables took enough of the edge off the cold to protect the tree.

I realize this is totally impractical if you have many in-ground trees to protect...But if you have a few, or maybe something really worth protecting......I'll probably ease off on more mature trees but for first year in the ground, I think this is a winning protection method. 

Thanks everyone!


Very well done Joe!! I hope you get a bunch of figs this year. Thanks for sharing!!

Congratulations on your success!

Amazing results.

Impressive!

Congratulations Joe! Very nice.

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