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Hello everyone. I have been researching different figs and their hardiness zones but would be interested in some hands on experience! What varieties do best, in ground, in zone 5 or colder. Looking for varieties that will ripen, have good crop, and have good flavor! A lot to ask for I know!

Photos would be awesome!

Here is a list of some that, from reading, might be good choices? Let me know what you think and your experience with these varieties!

Hardy Chicago
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bigbadbill on this forum has a wonderful unknown fig variety that is supposedly extremely cold hardy, also italian honey and palermo red.


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Thanks! I'll have to check into his fig variety!
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I see you like "living on the edge" lol! I like you already! Okay so I'm no pro by any stretch, but I've been hanging around these good folks for a little while now and have picked up a lil bit from their shared experience.. Besides the varieties you already mentioned, I think you may want to check out Florea, English Brown Turkey (a few different named varieties out there), Grantham's Royal, Nexoe, Sal's (EL or Gene), Brooklyn White and perhaps even Malta Black? probably many more too.. I'm sorry I don't have any pics to share, but the different varieties I mentioned should come up readily in a search. I think no matter what though in zone 5 we are talking major protection every winter.. Also you may want to get the trees established a few years in a pot before putting them in ground to give them the best shot possible..

I'm sure others will be along shortly though and perhaps they can give you the pics and other details you are looking for :)

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Hey thanks a lot! I will have to look into those varieties! I had already considered the fact that I may want to wait till any cuttings grow into more mature trees to handle the cold. I have seen many methods of overwintering in ground figs. I think one that might be feasible is to have a ring of fencing/chicken wire around any figs I planted in ground, then fill with leaves and wrap with a tarp or burlap. I have seen that some people even bury them, but that doesnt sound like something I want to do!
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Burying the tree is ,best and my opinion the only way to get ripe fruits ,in zone 5 or colder.
Other wise the tree will not die but will start from soil level every year and so be late to ripe,possible never ripe.
You can bury using the method of cutting half roots on one side and tilting tree on opposite side and place a plywood in top and soil in top of plywood.
That will make your tree come out of Winter with all wood intact,and Breba fruits on already starting to be visible,and those fruits will ripe in July.
Grow a cultivar with two crops and cold resistant like Takoma Violet and yes  you will be successful.
Leaves ,tarp,are not enough in zone 5 or colder,that i can tell you for sure.
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I came across this chart somewhere. It might give a few ideas. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihfyIwZ8l5DyVMFvTOAthQf65jn-2bRRMPGR57AKSyw/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1415597439
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very helpful topic

but it is quite risky to grow figs at cold area. 
it is a fun process though.

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Burying the tree is ,best and my opinion the only way to get ripe fruits ,in zone 5 or colder.
Other wise the tree will not die but will start from soil level every year and so be late to ripe,possible never ripe.
You can bury using the method of cutting half roots on one side and tilting tree on opposite side and place a plywood in top and soil in top of plywood.
That will make your tree come out of Winter with all wood intact,and Breba fruits on already starting to be visible,and those fruits will ripe in July.
Grow a cultivar with two crops and cold resistant like Takoma Violet and yes  you will be successful.
Leaves ,tarp,are not enough in zone 5 or colder,that i can tell you for sure.


Wow, I guess I need to look into this then. Had hoped it would come to burying. Do you have any photos of your method?
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I came across this chart somewhere. It might give a few ideas. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihfyIwZ8l5DyVMFvTOAthQf65jn-2bRRMPGR57AKSyw/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1415597439


Thanks! That list is very helpful!
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I was hoping that by asking about varieties that do well in colder than zone 5, I might come across a few varieties that wouldnt need so much protection during winter months? Just a little wishful thinking, I guess! Lol
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Hello
If there is a will there is a way.  There are many people growing figs in Zone 5.  As Herman2 mentioned you will need to protect them very well for the winter.

In Zone 6 I have some 17 trees in ground and planning another 12 or so to go in this year. 
 The last 2 years I have used jdsfrance's bucket method with great results (use search to locate).  Before that I was building a box around the trees and covering with insulation and poly plastic.  Both methods worked for me.

If winter protected any of the 30 or so Mt. Etna type figs would grow and ripen figs in your area.  There are other figs as well so you can have figs from most of the flavour groups.

Here is a recent topic that people have shared information on their experience with figs they grow in ground in cold climates.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/favourite-in-ground-figs-for-cold-climates-7892590?pid=1291666108

Latest updated PDF of the figs reported on in the above topic is attached.

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Thanks so much for all the info! Everyone is so helpful and I know with all this info I will be sure to have some success with figs! :-D
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You might want to keep back up plants in pots should your experiments be unsuccessful.
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You might want to keep back up plants in pots should your experiments be unsuccessful.


That is also a very good idea! Great suggestion!
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I have been growing figs in-ground for many years in zone 5. I can't say it's been easy because there are so many different ways to protect the trees during the winter that it will make your head spin! Every year I learn something new and something goes wrong that I did not account for. For instance this past winter was so warm that I had lots of humidity and mold, thus I will add for more ventilation next year. The year before was so cold all the plants were eaten by starving voles.

As far as my potted figs, they have been producing much better since I started planting them in-ground for the summer and then I dig them up, put them back in pots and put in garage for the winter (credit goes to Pino for this suggestion).

Pino: I could not find info on jdsfrance's bucket method. Could you describe or post a link to info on this?

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I was referring to jdsfrance's posting on winter protection;

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/winter-protection-6910093?highlight=winter+protection&pid=1289972832

A modified version worked well for me the previous 2 years of record cold. 
I assume the figs did well this year as well although I haven't uncovered them yet.

Instead of the 80L trashcans I use 220L barrels and I fill them with a mix of compost, soil or woodshavings.   Also since this is a new method for me I have been covering the barrels with a tarp for an extra insurance for zone 6.


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I was referring to jdsfrance's posting on winter protection;

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/winter-protection-6910093?highlight=winter+protection&pid=1289972832

A modified version worked well for me the previous 2 years of record cold. 
I assume the figs did well this year as well although I haven't uncovered them yet.

Instead of the 80L trashcans I use 220L barrels and I fill them with a mix of compost, soil or woodshavings.   Also since this is a new method for me I have been covering the barrels with a tarp for an extra insurance for zone 6.



I was thinking of something similar to this, though the trashcan sounds better, but someone suggested that in zone 5 I may have to bury them?

Does that mean I'd have to prune mine in more of a bush shape, lower to the ground? That is the only way I see being able to push down the branches to get them covered? Also how do you control humidity? Too much causes mold right, and too much cold air coming in can hurt the tree? Would laying the branches down, packing straw around everything, and covering with a dark tarp and boards work?

I have been scanning my property for a good place to plant, no good south facing building walls. I do have a small rock wall that faces sort of south east, great morning to noon exposure. Probably plenty of snakes to help control rodents!
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You need to experiment and find the best way for you.  As they used to say "all roads lead to Rome". 

My father buried his trees for years and that worked well.  For me digging is too much work and I am happy with my results.

Tying and trimming branches to fit the barrels is easy and still allows for a large fig tree and full main crop.   If you use dry dirt or compost to fill the barrel then essentially you are burying it above the soil line.  I have never had mold issues this way.

 I did the barrel method with my desert king last year so it will be interesting to see if I get a good breba crop.

Here is a photo of 1 of my finished covered figs.

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Hi figgygoose,

IMO, packing in straw is calling for rodents to come in, especially at winter time - they seek for hides and sheltered areas .
I pack them with dirt from the nurseries, because dirt won't attract rodents that much. And dirt holds the warmth acquired from the sun hitting the dark colored trashcan during the day.
I don't cover the top of the trashcans. I don't want to cook the trees. Even here, during the winter, I get some sunny days. During those days, the protected trees can get hot and cooked.
I'd rather use a higher container be it a trashcan or a 200L barrel, and fill it with dirt from the nurseries. You could pile two containers one above the other. Just stack them so that the top one doesn't slide and fall.
I would top the trees so that they fit inside the container.

Here on some of my trees, I used a dark plastic bag that I put over the trees . The bags had holes to keep some airflow .
One bag once had no holes, and I got lucky I caught the problem on time, as mold was starting to set in inside of the bag.
Here I can unpack my trees by the 1st of March, and I rush to unpack them. They really need the airflow.
This year, I left some empty trashcans longer around some trees to protect the stems a bit longer. But by now, all trashcans are removed, and the trees can breath as they want.
So far, so good ... This past winter (it is Spring already :) ) was luckily a mild one .


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Hi figgygoose,

IMO, packing in straw is calling for rodents to come in, especially at winter time - they seek for hides and sheltered areas .
I pack them with dirt from the nurseries, because dirt won't attract rodents that much. And dirt holds the warmth acquired from the sun hitting the dark colored trashcan during the day.
I don't cover the top of the trashcans. I don't want to cook the trees. Even here, during the winter, I get some sunny days. During those days, the protected trees can get hot and cooked.
I'd rather use a higher container be it a trashcan or a 200L barrel, and fill it with dirt from the nurseries. You could pile two containers one above the other. Just stack them so that the top one doesn't slide and fall.
I would top the trees so that they fit inside the container.

Here on some of my trees, I used a dark plastic bag that I put over the trees . The bags had holes to keep some airflow .
One bag once had no holes, and I got lucky I caught the problem on time, as mold was starting to set in inside of the bag.
Here I can unpack my trees by the 1st of March, and I rush to unpack them. They really need the airflow.
This year, I left some empty trashcans longer around some trees to protect the stems a bit longer. But by now, all trashcans are removed, and the trees can breath as they want.
So far, so good ... This past winter (it is Spring already :) ) was luckily a mild one .



Thanks everyone! I think the whole trash can method sounds way easier too! I think this will be the way I will go and save some of my trees in pots indoors, just in case! At least until I can experiment and see what does well for me! This has been a mild winter. Right now is suddenly cold, one last chill of winter....I hope! My pears are in full bloom and too big to cover from frost, so hoping they don't get much. Years past I've gotten up before the sun to spray them with cold water to help thaw the ice, and this has worked well! Fingers crossed!
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This is great thread.  I'm in Zone 5 too and working on expanding my collection. I'm working on a high tunnel to grow them in to make my zone 5 into zone 4!

I came across this article that mentioned figs.  someone told me that they grew figs right up against their house with luck but if they were 3-4 feet out they would get too cold.  Wouldn't it be neat to have a maze of figs! 

Anyone have any experience with anything like this?

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https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/japanese-fig-growing-method-fabulous-photos-4374293
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Wow, that is impressive! I find japanese culture interesting. Lots of patients, discipline, and hard work! Gorgeous results though! I like the rows of bent over trees, just a long row of connected figs!
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Definitely some great information on the links to Japanese fig growing.

Keep in mind Japan is somewhere zones 8-9.  To duplicate these practices in Zone 5 - 6 will require a greenhouse or some very creative thinking.

I tried a 1' below ground level espalier last year. Figured would be easy to protect for the winter. 
Unfortunately you need very short people to pick the figs and the fig branches/cordons were at the right level for the rodents and rabbits to munch on...lol
 

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What ever method or methods you choose it will involve some trial and error. Know the length of your growing season or know when your last frost and first frost occur and choose the earlier ripening cultivars. I was surprised when said that your pears are already in full bloom in your Z5, sounds like you'll have a long enough season for many. I'm still a month and a half away from pear blooming.
Depending on your location voles could be a problem for buried figs.
Check out this google search link for protection/burying ideas, some very ambitious growers.
https://www.google.com/search?q=burying+fig+trees&biw=1366&bih=602&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwie4tXEq-bLAhUqv4MKHQiNADsQ_AUIBigB

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Definitely some great information on the links to Japanese fig growing.

Keep in mind Japan is somewhere zones 8-9.  To duplicate these practices in Zone 5 - 6 will require a greenhouse or some very creative thinking.

I tried a 1' below ground level espalier last year. Figured would be easy to protect for the winter. 
Unfortunately you need very short people to pick the figs and the fig branches/cordons were at the right level for the rodents and rabbits to munch on...lol
 


I dont think I have a good olace or a greenhouse for something like that but sounds interesting!
Sorry to hear that the rodents got to them. I know all about working hard to get a good crop just to have rodents come in and take your fruits! Last year we did everything we could to keep mice, rabbits, and squirrels out of our garden#
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What ever method or methods you choose it will involve some trial and error. Know the length of your growing season or know when your last frost and first frost occur and choose the earlier ripening cultivars. I was surprised when said that your pears are already in full bloom in your Z5, sounds like you'll have a long enough season for many. I'm still a month and a half away from pear blooming.
Depending on your location voles could be a problem for buried figs.
Check out this google search link for protection/burying ideas, some very ambitious growers.
https://www.google.com/search?q=burying+fig+trees&biw=1366&bih=602&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwie4tXEq-bLAhUqv4MKHQiNADsQ_AUIBigB

Good luck


My pears are located down in sort of a valley near a pond and surrounded by other trees and our house to break the wind. They get good southern/eastern exposure. It may be a warm pocket and I am thinking of trying to plant figs in this same area. The highest point on our property is our field and it frosts, while our yard is frost free? Something magical going on!
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In 2013 I planted a couple of Chicago Hardy figs on a southwards facing slope with full sun exposure on our property in Michigan. Normally it is a 5A winter here, but the winter of 2013/2014 turned much colder with minimum temps of -27F and almost 40 nights below 0F. Much to my surprise, the above ground growth died, but the roots survived and by June were sending up new shoots. By August developing figs appeared. However:

The limiting factor turns out to be the length of the effective growing season, not the winter's low temperatures. The nurseries do overlook some petty details. By the time the green figs are approaching full size in September, days are often in the 60's, nights in the 40's and there isn't enough warm weather and/or sun left to ripen the figs. October brings a frost and that's the end. We haven;t had any success with figs ripening after picking.

Forcing earlier development of the shoots isn't feasible because of the risk of late spring frost. Probably the only way to get ripe figs would be to enclose the plants in August and create a hothouse environment until October frost.
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alasnofigs:
Well:First,you have to Bury the plant,on one side,to about 20 inches deep,second,you have to grow a cultivar with abundant breba crop,and third,when the soil is soft for you to dig out the plant,you take it out plant in pot,and you placed it in the third item you need to have,a very very small greenhouse.
Keep it in the greenhouse till ,frost is gone,and then,you slowly take it outside,first week in shade and after that,semi shade,and finally full sun.
You will have many ripe fruits if you do it this way.
Of course,This work is only needed in zone 5 (very cold climates)and not in warmer climates,but if someone wants ,ripe fig fruits,it will work,every time except if some rodents ,will damage your plant.
The trick is ,that if done as above the plant will come out all alive and with little incipient fruits,on it already,and so they will have plenty of time to ripe and not disappoint you.
Desert King ,Takoma Violet, Saint Anthony ,will wok for this situation just fine.
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In 2013 I planted a couple of Chicago Hardy figs on a southwards facing slope with full sun exposure on our property in Michigan. Normally it is a 5A winter here, but the winter of 2013/2014 turned much colder with minimum temps of -27F and almost 40 nights below 0F. Much to my surprise, the above ground growth died, but the roots survived and by June were sending up new shoots. By August developing figs appeared. However: The limiting factor turns out to be the length of the effective growing season, not the winter's low temperatures. The nurseries do overlook some petty details. By the time the green figs are approaching full size in September, days are often in the 60's, nights in the 40's and there isn't enough warm weather and/or sun left to ripen the figs. October brings a frost and that's the end. We haven;t had any success with figs ripening after picking. Forcing earlier development of the shoots isn't feasible because of the risk of late spring frost. Probably the only way to get ripe figs would be to enclose the plants in August and create a hothouse environment until October frost.
I have several varieties (Dalmatie, Randino, Brunswick, and some clone of VDB) in ground in zone 5 Ukraine, Europe. These do well if burried for the winter under dirt, and all the previous year branches have no die back. Also there were several varieties I get rid of as these were not good, no result for several years. Some varieties as Randino and VDB (unknown sillilar) are pinched after 4 - 6 leaf appear. Main crop figs start to ripen mid September till cold weather (about mid October) or first frost.
Our maximum frost can be down to -30C or a bit less then -20F.
-10F we have every winter.
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Brunswick is not so good for my climate, I think to abandon this.

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This will be the first year that I'm putting trees in the ground. I have several pots, but I've chosen three that have gotten the biggest over the last here years. One each of Hardy Chicago, Hardy Hartford, and Celeste. I have backups that will go in the garage.

Most of the rest, I'm going to have to sink pots. Last year I was so disgusted... I trusted someone to water my figs while we were away for two weeks. I came back to almost all my trees with crunchy brown leaves and all fruit dropping. She came over and said she forgot one day... Told her I was not an idiot. Thank goodness all the trees lived.

Back to planting. Much like my Hardy bananas, I'm going to plant deep. Not sure about protection yet, but may do garbage cans or boxes with Xmas lights inside... I'll cross that bridge later.

Here in my area, we're in the 5b to low 6 range, just depends on your location and whether you're on a ridge or in a valley.

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Hi Holly.  You may want to reach out to member robertharper.  Bob is currently trialling 30 or 40 different varieties in-ground in the northeast.  I believe he's in zone 5b.  He has a good list of super cold hardy figs and lots of data collected through his trials.  Very nice guy.

To that end, like Jamie said above, Florea and English Brown Turkey are good choices.  I grow both here in NYC (in pots) and and both perform very well.  Last season we picked our first ripe fig from EBT on July 3.  That's pretty good for the northeast.

Incidentally, Florea is an heirloom that was introduced by Vasile (member Herman2 above).  Pretty sure it was his dad's variety.  I'm a sucker for heirlooms so it's a very special variety that I treasure based on that alone.

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