Has one tried propagation using a Cloning Machine?

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twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413955480	Reply with quote #1

There are cloning machines out there that claim to have high success rates with cloning of cuttings. Has anyone on here tried using a cloning machine to propagate their figs? Has anyone tried tissue culture? __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1413958632	Reply with quote #2

I just ended my first experiment with a bucket cloner. I put 5 green cuttings in it and no action after 2 weeks. Meanwhile, the remaining 9 cuttings I put in moss are all rooted and now in cups. I could've left the cuttings in the cloner longer, but they were good cuttings and I wanted them to live, so I transferred to moss. I will try again when I have cuttings I don't care about. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413958773	Reply with quote #3

did you use any rooting gels or solutions? __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

elin

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Posted 1413969341	Reply with quote #4

A cloning machine with similar soil , enviroment etc would yield much more consistancy. I think snaglplus showed he built one himself in one of his posts. In my case for now i like the old school way of rooting cuttings ( ala paper bag method). at least i get to play some hide and seek with the gnats. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1413973173	Reply with quote #5

Quote: Originally Posted by twobrothersgarden did you use any rooting gels or solutions? I dipped each cutting in Clonex gel and also used Clonex solution in the water. The "control group" was also dipped in Clonex gel before going into moss. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

FMD

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Posted 1413988988	Reply with quote #6

My experiment with a DIY bucket cloner FAILED MISERABLY! Most rotted. The few roots that did develop were weak and spindly. My current favorite rooting method of coir is infinitely more successful. __________________ Frank Tallahassee, FL Zone 8b North Florida Figs

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413993062	Reply with quote #7

Eli can you describe your method for me a little bit. I'm trying new methods and I would appreciate any insight. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413993126	Reply with quote #8

Frank can you describe your coir rooting method for me a little bit. I'm not familiar with coir. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413993362	Reply with quote #9

Quote: Originally Posted by cyberfarmer Quote: Originally Posted by twobrothersgarden did you use any rooting gels or solutions? I dipped each cutting in Clonex gel and also used Clonex solution in the water. The "control group" was also dipped in Clonex gel before going into moss. Wow. You used gel and solution and they didn't root, that's pretty sad. When I heard about these cloning machines I thought for sure they would work, because they said it keep the cuttings in an optimal growing environment. Whats your advise? Should I invest in a machine? What machine did you test with? __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

elin

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Posted 1413993986	Reply with quote #10

TBG as i see it now its all karma. when we take care of precios cutting they survive , when we dont care ( lets say a common BT or a kadota -they fail). the good part is we know why they are failing :) __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1413994330	Reply with quote #11

Quote: Originally Posted by twobrothersgarden Wow. You used gel and solution and they didn't root, that's pretty sad. When I heard about these cloning machines I thought for sure they would work, because they said it keep the cuttings in an optimal growing environment. Whats your advise? Should I invest in a machine? What machine did you test with? I used the X-Factor Hydro 28 Site Cloner: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENONEZW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I also used an interval timer to run it 1 minute on, 1 minute off. I don't know if that was a good idea or not. To be fair, I should try running it 100% on. There is a hydroponics shop in my town. I'll have to get myself down there and see if they have any ideas. I actually bought it to root olives, not figs. I had already heard that these don't work well for figs. But, I had heard that they do work well for olives, which also failed. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1413994967	Reply with quote #12

Paul thanks for sharing your experience. I'm gonna have to rethink my approach about this for a while. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

greenfig

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Posted 1413995058	Reply with quote #13

Quote: Originally Posted by elin TBG as i see it now its all karma. when we take care of precios cutting they survive , when we dont care ( lets say a common BT or a kadota -they fail). the good part is we know why they are failing :) That is funny, if I really care about a cutting, it is going to fail 100%! If I totally do not care, they will root and thrive 100% This is proven over 2 years __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

elin

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Posted 1413996713 · Edited	Reply with quote #14

OMG i wanted to delete that post :) __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

ascpete

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Posted 1414038397	Reply with quote #15

Henry, Dennis, (Snaglpus) started a topic describing his success with cloning fig cuttings, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=7023364 . After reading his post I started a trial with a DIY shoe box bubble cloner and built a bucket bubble cloner for rooting green fig cuttings. The trial is still on going. . 2 of the original 8 have been up potted, 1 died and 5 of the original are still in the bubble cloner but are being fed with Flora Nova Grow nutrient solution, current rooting success rate at 90+ %

garden_whisperer

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Posted 1414059819	Reply with quote #16

I have tried bucket clone systems, areoponics, and mist table system. Really like the mist table. __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1414078087	Reply with quote #17

I wanted to follow up and clarify that when I said mine failed, I just meant they failed the head to head challenge with sphagnum. I put some green cuttings in baggies with damp moss on the same day that I put the others into the clone machine. After a couple weeks, 100% of the cuttings in moss had ample thick roots. The ones in the bucket had none. If I had left them in the bucket longer, I suspect they would have eventually rooted. It just seems to me that if the bucket is not as good as moss, it is a failure, even if the cuttings would have eventually rooted. I just checked the cuttings that were transferred from the bucket cloner to moss. Two of them are showing root initials. So, at least the bucket cloner did not kill my cuttings. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1414078322	Reply with quote #18

Quote: Originally Posted by garden_whisperer I have tried bucket clone systems, areoponics, and mist table system. Really like the mist table. Have you ever posted pics of your mist table? I would love to see it. By the way, most of the cuttings that I am referring to in my bucket cloner test are the MvsB and RdB I got from you. Most are already in cups with plenty of roots and leaves popping out! __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1414206661	Reply with quote #19

This is so awesome.....I'm going to invest in a cloning machine now just for the heck of it....thank you Ascpete....I had read so many success stories on cloning machines, but I wanted to ask the community before I made any big investments in an expensive cloning machine....I will post the results as soon as I get my own cloning machine. To tell you the trough I struggle a lot with moisture control while the cutting are in the moss and after I plant them in soil.....That is why I want to give cloning with a machine a shot. Thanks again ascpete for sharing...those roots look amazing btw. :) Quote: Originally Posted by ascpete Henry, Dennis, (Snaglpus) started a topic describing his success with cloning fig cuttings, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=7023364 . After reading his post I started a trial with a DIY shoe box bubble cloner and built a bucket bubble cloner for rooting green fig cuttings. The trial is still on going. . 2 of the original 8 have been up potted, 1 died and 5 of the original are still in the bubble cloner but are being fed with Flora Nova Grow nutrient solution, current rooting success rate at 90+ % __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1414213709	Reply with quote #20

Quote: Originally Posted by ascpete Henry, Dennis, (Snaglpus) started a topic describing his success with cloning fig cuttings, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=7023364 . After reading his post I started a trial with a DIY shoe box bubble cloner and built a bucket bubble cloner for rooting green fig cuttings. The trial is still on going. . 2 of the original 8 have been up potted, 1 died and 5 of the original are still in the bubble cloner but are being fed with Flora Nova Grow nutrient solution, current rooting success rate at 90+ % Hey Pete, How long have they been in the cloner so far, and how long did it take for the first ones to root? __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

garden_whisperer

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Posted 1414218541	Reply with quote #21

Will have to set the most table back up in spring to get more pics here's the post. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/mist-table-propagation-6116748?pid=1276416655#post1276416655 Glad to hear the cuttings are going good for you. Wouldn't mind seeing rooting pics __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

ascpete

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Posted 1414285225	Reply with quote #22

Henry, You're welcome and thanks. BTW, the cloner was only used for rooting green "summer" cuttings and the cuttings have to be transplanted to a growing medium once rooted. I've also had much better success rates with 2 Liter Soda Bottle mini SIPs with a Perlite and or Coco Coir mix for growing out both summer, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6868363 and dormant cuttings, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280977480&postcount=17 . I decided to try the bubble cloner as only a test. Paul, The original cuttings were placed in the cloner on September 6, 2014, and the start info was posted in another linked topic, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1284197705&postcount=14 . Roots started to form within 14 to 21 days. .

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1414293420	Reply with quote #23

Thanks Paul really cool stuff! :) __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1414299135	Reply with quote #24

Quote: Originally Posted by twobrothersgarden Thanks Paul really cool stuff! :) I think you meant thanks Pete. But, you're welcome. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

twobrothersgarden

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Oh sorry yeah...haha. I'm using my phone and the script is so small. I get confused easily. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

snaglpus

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Posted 1414372357	Reply with quote #26

...again the 5gal bucket cloner does not work for fig cuttings. There is simply not enough water mass to keep the pump cool. It sprays great but the water is just too hot and cooks the cuttings. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

cyberfarmer

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Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus ...again the 5gal bucket cloner does not work for fig cuttings. There is simply not enough water mass to keep the pump cool. It sprays great but the water is just too hot and cooks the cuttings. I used an interval timer so that the pump ran 1 minute on 1 minute off. It did not get hot under those conditions. I did not test it running 100%. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

coop951

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Posted 1414373384	Reply with quote #28

This is a really interesting topic. I am also curious about everyones trials with the bucket cloner. Looks like fun __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

garden_whisperer

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Posted 1414378546	Reply with quote #29

I put Ice packs in the water and a sticker fish tank thermometer stick on the outside. It's not a perfect system I have a clone ideal working on. Got to get the stuff together first. __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

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Posted 1414453133 · Edited	Reply with quote #30

I made bubblers from plastic Folgers cans and air pumps using a BT, alma, and hyb 0023 cutting. I tried an old aquarium heater on one can then the heater died. All three developed tiny roots in a couple weeks then stopped growing. A month later there were all still healthy with no die back but the leaves started yellowing since I had never changed the water. I just added a cap full of peroxide every few days. The water didn't smell and I never had to add any, but I assume the ph had changed. I decided to pot them and they seem okay still, but it has only been a few days. I used hard well water only, no hormone or nutrients. Removed all but one leaf on each. I enjoy your videos Henry! __________________ ATL, GA, Zone 7b In ground varieties (22):Osborne Prolific, Conadria, Petit Negri, O'Rourke, Hardy Chicago, Texas BA-1, Alma, Celeste, Kadota, Green Ischia, Brown Turkey, Black Mission, Violette de Bordeaux, Texas Everbearing, Magnolia/Brunswick, LSU Purple, Dark Portuguese, Black Greek, Ronde de Bordeaux, Champagne, Dark Portuguese, Hybrid 0023. Rooting: Excel, 187-25, 291-4, 143-36, Cole de Dame, Calvert, Vernino, Santa Cruz Dark, Pastilliere, St. Jean, Barnisotte, Native de Argentile, VdB, Osborne Prolific.

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1414453387	Reply with quote #31

I just noticed that I forgot to remove two of the cutting from my bucket cloner. I opened it up and at first glance, I thought they had developed roots. But no. They have white snot balls where the roots are supposed to be. Good thing those were not important varieties. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

jdsfrance

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Posted 1414582114	Reply with quote #32

Hi cyberfarmer, At this point I would pot those cuttings and put them in a greenhouse ... if you have one . Well you're in Zone 10, so perhaps you just need a plastic sheet over the pot or a small priced small tomato greenhouse. Or you could leave them there, and let the experience go on ... __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

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