How to tell if a cutting is upside down?

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rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1420558428	Reply with quote #1

Hello folks I know I've dealt with this before but I guess I crave reassurance. The cutting in this picture has no terminal bud. I think it is right side up but I want to make sure. The true question is understanding whether the wider node below is the leaf node and the smaller node above it was a fig. In which case this is right side up. Am I correct??? Thanks Attached Images image.jpg (39.12 KB, 113 views) __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

andreas

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Posted 1420559161	Reply with quote #2

that is an easy one. the hard time comes when you have cuttings from a 40 year old tree... now that is a puzzle. ;-) Lol __________________ andreas-patras Patra Peloponnisos Greece zone..9a

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1420559461	Reply with quote #3

This is the correct orientation: __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1420559712	Reply with quote #4

Frank, thank you, what I was saying is what you show, the wider, shallower node (the leaf node?) goes below. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1420559938	Reply with quote #5

You got it! __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

Ampersand

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Posted 1420563652	Reply with quote #6

The bud should always be on top of the leaf scar, I've never a seen a plant that didn't have that. Now if there's no visible bud...you're in trouble!

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1420565337	Reply with quote #7

Kelby Not all leaf scars produce buds. Not sure I understand ur point.?? __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

rcantor

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Posted 1420570607	Reply with quote #8

The nodes are always above the leaf scar. There are 2 nodes or 2 aspects to one node, not sure if 'node' is defined precisely. One can, or in this case has produce(d) a fig, one can produce a new stem. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Speedmaster

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Posted 1420572309	Reply with quote #9

Nice cutting, looks ready to root. Good luck with it. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1420572466	Reply with quote #10

Ah thanks for the clarification Bob __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

HarveyC

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Posted 1420572817	Reply with quote #11

Yes, that's right, the leaf scar is below buds. But sometimes with older wood the buds aren't even visible (i.e., from 40 year old trees like Andreas refers to) and it's hard to tell until after a bud is pushing. Several years ago a friend who operates a greenhouse propagation business (wholesales rooted cuttings) showed me that the top of a cutting is always cut at an angle slightly above a bud and that the bottom is cut flat slightly below the bottom bud. He said this is a long-standing industry practice with the reason for the slant at the top being so that water from misting will run off and not cause rot. So this is the practice I follow (except for tip cuttings). Roots are most likely to form from nodes so the wood below that is of little value. There is absolutely no value to wood above the top bud and sometimes wonder why some sellers prepare their cuttings this way except maybe it's just faster for them. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rcantor

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Posted 1420577144	Reply with quote #12

I, and I suspect many of us, make 1 cut between cuttings. So the top cut of one is the same as the bottom cut of the one before it. I find the strongest roots come from the bottom of the cutting just under the bark. Roots that come from the leaf scar/node area are much thinner and weaker. So I cut just above the node on all cuttings. The best roots come out of the wood under the lowest node so I leave all the wood under a node with that cutting. If you scrape and use a rooting hormone the place you do it is on the wood under the lowest node of your cutting. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

rcantor

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Posted 1420578443	Reply with quote #13

Here's another way to tell if a cutting's upside down __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

HarveyC

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Posted 1420578886	Reply with quote #14

I always do 2 cuts between nodes. I've received some cuttings that were 6" long with only one node. I'm glad that they have never all been like that. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1420581486	Reply with quote #15

Bob What did you do, uproot and reverse that cutting after? __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

rcantor

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Posted 1420600511	Reply with quote #16

I wouldn't say I "uprooted" it, but yes, I rinsed the soil off of the one that was upside down and replanted it with the roots at the bottom. :) __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Joe_Athens1945

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Posted 1420602519	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by rcantor Here's another way to tell if a cutting's upside down great pic! For a moment I thought it was photo shopped! :-) __________________ Athens, GA USA Zone 7b My young trees in the ground and in pots: Brown Turkey, White Triana JM, Magnolia, Strawberry Verte, Violette de Bordeaux, Panache, UK Brooklyn Dark JP, Ronde de Bordeaux. Wish list: St Rita

binbin9

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Posted 1457548960	Reply with quote #18

Using my "amazing" artistic skills this is how i can tell if a cutting is upside down. If you see a Big Smile its the right side up if it looks like a Frown it's upside down! http://seattlegardenfruit.blogspot.com/2016/03/quick-tip-how-to-tell-if-youre-fig.html __________________ Renton, WA My Seattle Garden Blog \| Fig Addiction WISH LIST: Genovese Nero Rafeds \| UCR 187-25 \| Black Tuscan \| Black Triana \| Jack Lilly \| Barbillone \| St Rita \| Tauro \| Jin Ao Fen \| Lampeira Preto \| Any fig over 100grams =)

Smyfigs

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Posted 1457549116	Reply with quote #19

Lol...this is a good reminder, Brian. I had one growing upside down. I mean, I know the difference but I guess it slipped by me. I laughed when I realized it was upside down. Heck, it grew anyway! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

adipose

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Posted 1457550916	Reply with quote #20

I just realized a 160-50 cutting was planted upside down (thank you, RunsSlow!). I stared at it for about 20 minutes trying to tell, but the markings were all ambiguous. It grew roots on both ends. I finally cut it in half, and planted both ends. The one that I planted correctly died. The one that I planted upside down grew a ton of roots and pushed up a leaf. I am not even sure how that works. Does the xylem travel down the cutting, then back up from the budded leaf? Any experts? lol. __________________ Wish List: sbayi, hmari, niagara black, black ischia

JoAnn749

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Posted 1457569768	Reply with quote #21

Harvey, that is a great system!! I will strive to put it into practice when I check on my cuttings in a few days. __________________ Jo-Ann DFW TX, Zone 7b-8a Wish List: Black Madeira,, Kathleen's Black, Malta Black, Marseille VS Black, White Paradisio, LSU Scott's Black, Conadria, White Trianna, Marttineca Rimada, Excel, Peter's Honey, Bebera Preta (Abebereira), Strawberry Verte

Garlic_Mike

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Posted 1457574277	Reply with quote #22

When I grew a cutting upside-down. the leaves started upside-down, then turned upwards and is fine.

EdFigs

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Great info for newbies like me. Thanks!

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rogerfwright

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Posted 1476913139	Reply with quote #24

thanks everyone can you believe I had them all right my name is wright you know __________________ ROGER SAVANNAH GA. ZONE 8B

vito12831

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Posted 1476923354	Reply with quote #25

Rafael,very clever and artistic :)

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