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Ok,so first year rooting indoors and I am pretty sure some of the small summer rooted fig trees i brought in from the mini greenhouse have brought gnats in with them,I've seen some now,squashed a few but I know it's the larvae that do the damage,and I have started to loose some of my up-potted cuttings,even lost 2 well rooted summer cuttings that never went dormant,one day they are fine,then they wilt,and then they are done,when I pull them up the roots are in a state,not rotted but just gone.

I've been careful not to over water or under water after making that mistake in round 1,now I'm starting to loose the survivors as well and want to sort this now before I loose any more.

I'm pretty sure it's the gnats and I'm gonna kill the buggers.I have heard folks here say they use dilute Hydrogen Peroxid but the instructions are a bit vague from what I've read.

I have 6% HP from the pharmacist(lowest % they had),they questions I have if you use it:

1,What % HP do you use?
2,how many parts water to HP?,or what Mil water to what Mil HP?
3,water as normal?, water it enough to drain right through?
4,should the mix be dry before you do it or doesn't it matter?
5, spray the leaves/cutting as well?
6,repeat application?,if so how often?

Any other thoughts t advice would be welcome,I'm going to war
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I've been struggling with this as well. At first using Diamotomaciois earth seemed to work but they just came back. Frustrated, about 5 days ago I used what I heard was the recommended ratio of hydrogen peroxide. That being 1 part H2O2 to 4 parts water. I haven't seen them since but if they return I'm going to hit them with undiluted 3%. I get the 3% at the local dollar store.

I completely soaked the mix given this is only supposed to work by killing the larva on contact. So you've got to get it everywhere. Of course the down side is that you risk overwatering.....I made sure I shook as much liquid as I could after watering. I also didn't cover the cuttings so it would evaporate faster. If you have a dryer area to place them in all the better.

I made sure to get it on the leaves and stem as well.

Don't know how long to wait before re-applying. I suppose if they come back.

I haven't lost a plant to this yet. Just saw the bugs and took action
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I don't measure ratios, I just make sure it is very dilute. I pour about 0.5cm of 3% peroxide to the bottom of an Ikea spray bottle, then fill up with tap water. I sprayed the top of the soil on cuttings that have gnats buzzing around them, or all cups when I wasn't sure which one was the source. Make sure not to spray too much or don't forget about it when watering. I hunted and killed all gnats in about 2 weeks, so I can confirm that the method works. In turn I just managed to overwater one and the roots rotted, now trying to revive it.
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I use hydrogen peroxide in my cloner every three days as it will not build up. Keeps everything clean and fungus free.
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check this out   http://everything2.com/title/fungus+gnat
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Dave that sounds much safer than gnatrol.
Will be trying out.
Nice part of using a closet, fungus gnats stay inside it.
But I have seen the critters again this year.
Thanks Dave

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can you spray the cutting leaves with this 1 to 4 ratio?
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Gnat Vac still sweeping those suckers up 24/7 for about $1.70 a month. Obviously I have some but almost never "see" them. Cleaned it last week.

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Grinds em up with a fan?
Suitable death for the critters.
But it wont kill larvae.
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Grinds em up with a fan?
Suitable death for the critters.
But it wont kill larvae.
Doug
That and sand work pretty good. A few get caught on the sticky traps but the majority go through the fan unharmed only to dry out in the death chamber.

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sweet
I like your get er done approach and construction.
That plus the hydrogen peroxide for the larvae shoud
get good control of the gnats. I'm gonna build me one for the fun of it.
Are gnats attracted to your cool white flood light led?
Not the light in the box.
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Originally Posted by Dave
check this out   http://everything2.com/title/fungus+gnat



~very good. i'm trying it to be sure ~
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Got he bugs eh?
Very common.

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I'm curious. Does anyone know why gnats don't pose a problem for plants outdoors - in ground or potted? The only growers who seem to complain are those rooting indoors. Obviously they wouldn't be as annoying outside but why are they not eating the roots on all our trees the rest of the year? Or if I were rooting outdoors in spring? ( which it seems most do)
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KK,I love the gnat mincer/dessicator,they get what they deserve, I've not had enough to need anything like that, the flying ones are slow and they don't make it far,it's their offspring I am worried about.

Thanks for all the responses,so the consensus is this stuff works.

Ive now tried the HP on about 75% of my up potted fig trees,including the summer rooted ones I've brought in doors.Then I ran out of HP,I'll have to try and buy some more tomorrow((it's a national holiday)hopefully this will do the job.What I loved about the HP is the fizzing!, I can just imagine what it's doing to the fungus gnats lol,burn you little shi*s burn.

The more opinions I've read the more it seems that 4-1 of 3% is the chosen magic number.TorontoJoe you are the consensus candidate lol.Glad it has worked for you and Pverdes.I will give spraying the leaves a try as well,I could only get 200ml from the pharmacist so will go buy a couple more bottles to make sure I do full gnat coverage.

I used a 5-1 solution of the 6%(recommended for children and the elderly according to the bottle),hasn't harmed the plants yet lol.I might try a weaker solution of the cuttings still in the rooting cups as I imagine they are more sensitive to this sort of thing(and also to that volume of water).

So in answer to my questions st the top off he thread and in summary:

1,What % HP do you use?
Answer: 3%(though other strengths are avaliable,adjust accordingly)
2,how many parts water to HP?,or what Mil water to what Mil HP?
Answer:4 parts water 1 part HP for 3% HP. Solution,adjust according to HP strength
3,water as normal?, water it enough to drain right through?
Answer:Soak through,kills on contact so need to get them all
4,should the mix be dry before you do it or doesn't it matter?
Answer:Not essential but dry soil helps combat the gnats and it will help in avoiding over watering
5, spray the leaves/cutting as well?
Answer:Yes
6,repeat application?,if so how often?
Answer:Yes if,and as and whenever needed
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Posted Reply with quote  #16 
the link did say
"1 part hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) solution with 4 parts water. Use 3% solution,"
Your mix sounds much stronger.

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This just in. I got home from work tonight and noticed a gnat. I was furious! I soaked everything just days ago. Then  I watched as it did a nose dive and guess where it went? Straight to one of the trays to a drain hole. I took a plate with some of the H2O2 mix and dipped the bottom of all the pots just deep enough to cover the holes so it would soak just a bit in...Not long enough to soak in to much...They've already had enough water. Then I put some in a spray bottle and gave a mist to the outside of the pots as well as the trays.

There's no emoji to express how I feel about gnats...

So the message is, "protect all points of entry"!
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Doug yes,solution is stronger,why? 1, they only had 6 and 9 % and 2, I'm crap at maths,I realise now 1 to 8 would have been right,what the hell,as long as it kills the gnats
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I have been using H2O2 for years for gnat control. It also kills nematodes. I cut the 3% H2O2 in half with water but 4:1 sounds just as good and keeps the expense down. The molecule of oxygen that is released benefits the roots of the plants. You may have to repeat dredging the pots two weeks after the initial treatment. The other thing I do to keep gnats out is I use pieces of plastic bags, the kind used for groceries, and place on top of the soil around the cutting or the plant. It acts as a barrier and also serves as a mulch to keep the soil from drying out too quickly. The plastic is also very thin so it is quite pliable and won't damage the plant.
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haslamhulme, I don't know if more is better in this case.
I'm going to follow the directions of those that have already
tested it. Then I will see if it works.

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@TorontoJoe Words cannot fully convey the level of hatred i have for fungus gnats... To give you an idea of how tough they can be here's this: I had a number of 32oz cups that I set up to root some nice cuttings. I put 1.5" of perlite in the bottom of the 32oz container that has numerous bottom holes as well as numerous aeration holes all around at various heights... I put in a lite rooting mix as recommended by the folks on this form and then after putting the cutting into the mix, I topped it all off with an inch of perlite. I then take an extra large coffee filter and put it into the bottom of another 32 oz container and put the rooted cutting container into the one with the filter such that the filter surrounds the bottom of the cutting container leaving a small 1" gap between the 2 containers to catch and liquid flowing down from the rooted cutting. In the classic 3 cup method, I then topped the rooted  cutting contained with another 32oz to act as a humidity bin. the top has several air holes to allow for some humidity to escape.

Well, the other day I was checking the cups to look for roots and what do i see? Fungus gnats had gotten in between the two cups and had actually drilled through the damp coffee filter and into the bottom of the rooting cup. I don't think they made it past the 1.5" of perlite in the bottom of container but looking closely, it was evident that they at least tried... There was no liquid in the gap between the two containers but there were numerous gnat bodies laying there... I was shocked as I had not thought that the gnats would find their way into the bottom container and try to go in from the bottom... I replaced the filter with a fresh one and haven't seen any evidence of a new attach but I remain vigilant... By the way... I have been watering exclusively with a gnatrol mix but now have upped the firepower and am using a sample of Riptide sent to me by a generous forum member....
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Many have given up on winter rooting altogether because of gnats. It brings me back to what I mentioned above...

Does everyone who roots indoors have this problem? Or is just a small percentage of us who got something wrong? Or tainted mix?

And why are our outdoor plants not getting ravaged all summer?
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I agree with you Doug,more might not be better,if it's as affective at half the dose that's half the cost as well,it doesn't seem to have hurt the plants,but I'll be switching to a 1 to 8 solution of 6% next time in the absense of 3% here.

I may look at using a cloner next season and see if that helps,it won't if I bring the gnats in with the mix though.TorontoJoe,I also never had this problem summer rooting outsid,it seems these gnats love indoors,but I'm pretty sure they got in to my summer rooted plants from a fig tree I bought in,just shows you have to be careful with stuff coming from outside
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I don't suggest you do as I do, but I got out the old handy 7 dust.
It says right on the bag, fungus gnats.
I dusted the potted plants in my closet last night.
Today, I have maybe 4 or 5 gnats I seen flying around.
Even a sticky fly trap would help if you have a bunch of gnats flying around.
I will never forget finding a fungus gnat at the bottom of my coffee cup.
No more, ever again. Yuk.
Joe, try the search function,, google or here.
There is all the information you need if you look for it.

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I'll check it out. Thanks
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I get gnats, but the hydrogen peroxide worked for me. Maybe because now I just add it from the start? I don't ever see any, anymore. Also a note is the peroxide just kills eggs, any that hatched, are still going to be around for a bit.
Hydrogen peroxide soon loses it's killing power. You need to water from the top down. Only mix what you plan to use, you cannot store it mixed. Also a chance the bottle one buys is just water, test the stuff, make sure it bubbles.

In the home brew market they make a powdered version that is slow release. You add it to distilled water. In order to ferment, you need everything else dead, and the home brew companies suggest using hydrogen peroxide in the form they sell. I thought though this slow release form might be extremely useful to gardeners too. It would be a great way to clean old containers for example.  The home brew market cleans all equipment this way too. It would be a good way to stop the spread of any plant diseases, not just gnats.  Using bleach is far from ideal. Such a corrosive product I myself would rather avoid. What happens with me, is I just don't clean the pots, I might with peroxide, as it's not harsh to me in any way.
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I will never forget finding a fungus gnat at the bottom of my coffee cup.


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They love landing in my white wine


You could switch to red? :-)
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From above link: "This is because the larvae, when they run out of fungus in the soil, will start to nibble at your plants' roots!". Probably the reason fungus gnats are not a problem outdoors, plenty of fungus.

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In UK as far as I know they only sell 6% hydrogen peroxide, you dont need to make it 3% just add 10:1 water hydrogen peroxide. To be honest with you they wont make any difference to your gnat situation that you created by bringing in plants from outdoors. The only way to root gnat free is by using a cloner or by using a 100% sterile potting mix ie. coco coir/perlite. If using compost or other ready made potting mix I suggest to kill all the buggers by placing thr potting mix inside an over 150 C for 15 minutes. Gnats survive on organic matter and if you remove the organic matter they simply wont survive. However this has to be done at the early stages. I have done these mistakes over the years and wasted lots of money and killed many cuttings, but i learned from my mistakes. I have only used hydrogen peroxide for my hydropod cloner bought from greenhouse sensation.
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I have always kept good control on fungus gnats with Gnatrol.
Im just looking for a safer way to control.
Are you saying peroxide does not effectively work?
If so, I need to order more gnatrol before I run out.

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Ok,so I haven't seen any more gnats but might have killed a few more with over watering now,stupid figs.Ah well,so far I've only lost duplicates, 1 variety(which I have more of promised,thanks to a generous member) and Unknowns(free) so I'm glad I didn't go crazy this winter,so my plan is now to let my baby trees go dormant and get them out the house,I figured they were to young to survive outside but they can take their chances now as I have several varieties on the way and don't want to screw those up as well.

Vinny,one of the wonderful things about the Internet is it has brought us all here so newbies can share their screw-ups-in-action and the more seasoned members can help put us right,I've segregated my up potted figs now and I've baked my remaining perlite-coco mix to make sure it's sterile.

Ok so round 1,lessons learned
1,Fungus gnats do exist,for some inexplicable reason,they have overtaken common wasps(the stinging kind)on my list of biologically useless cohabitants on the planet
2,do NOT bring plants in doors,that just brings gnats in to a nice hospitable place where you provide them with 1 choice of food,your fig trees.
3,HP might work,swinging towards a consensus,BUT the No.1 way to get rid of gnats...

is not to get them in the first place.
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I'd rooted cuttings without gnats in the past however these were only those that were bought or given to me. Clearly they had been properly cleaned....That plus a good sterile potting mix seemed to mean no gnats. After pruning my in-ground trees in the fall I brought cuttings in and started rooting WITHOUT CLEANING THEM. I blame squarely at myself. I didn't realize the importance of cleaning the cuttings. I do now. I'll be taking cuttings indoors again....but I'll be cleaning them properly.

Hydrogen Peroxide IMO definitely works however it's a delicate balance between using enough to kill the larva while not over-watering the cuttings. I like the suggestion above - That being to water only with the H2O2/water solution from the onset.
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Guys - I have tried EVERYTHING out there, and probably more than you may have heard of, to get rid of fungus gnats for several years. Some things actually made a dent, some things were pointless, but nothing absolutely got rid of the gnats.  I finally found the way to do so that worked 100% for me. Like really, 100%. NOT ONE GNAT.  I posted about it on YouTube and I've been sharing it with as many people as I can who have this issue because I know the frustration very well.

Here it is, and let me know how if you go for it.
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Guys - I have tried EVERYTHING out there, and probably more than you may have heard of, to get rid of fungus gnats for several years. Some things actually made a dent, some things were pointless, but nothing absolutely got rid of the gnats.  I finally found the way to do so that worked 100% for me. Like really, 100%. NOT ONE GNAT.  I posted about it on YouTube and I've been sharing it with as many people as I can who have this issue because I know the frustration very well.

Here it is, and let me know how if you go for it.

This is very cool! How often do you top dress? Like when her you water or more?

Looking around I can't find a down-side to using this stuff.

Do you find it useful on outdoor plants as well? Just thinking of some of the larger critters who like chewing on our trees and their fruit...

Thanks for this.
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