FigFan
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Hello, I got one rooted cutting from a friend from Sicily, that gave me its first fig this autumn. The ripe fruits are very dark, but the flesh is bright pale yellow. The Ostiolum is reddish. What sort could that be? (Pics below in the Dropbox link (I didn't manage to insert them in the post, perhaps they are too big? How can I insert photos next time?).https://www.dropbox.com/sh/av7hym0dju5fgtp/AADpQT7vzP91dVieA7WVLbHCa?dl=0
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haslamhulme
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That's a cool looking fig so *bump* I don't know what it is though lol!.Maybe someone else will have an idea.Its a great contrast between the yellow flesh and the dark skin.Your profile does not say where you are growing,what part of the word is this fig?,do you have wasp or is this a common fig?
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lampo
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FigFan Hello,
I got one rooted cutting from a friend from Sicily, that gave me its first fig this autumn. The ripe fruits are very dark, but the flesh is bright pale yellow. The Ostiolum is reddish. What sort could that be? (Pics below in the Dropbox link (I didn't manage to insert them in the post, perhaps they are too big? How can I insert photos next time?).
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/av7hym0dju5fgtp/AADpQT7vzP91dVieA7WVLbHCa?dl=0 Hello FigFan ! Thanks for showing your black-light colored pulp fig. These figs are not very common. There are at least two of those around here - A Common and a Smyrna . Here the Smyrna type, described on this old topic ...http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/preto-de-porches-6471402?highlight=porches&pid=1279088038 Have also pictures of the Common type but, given the ongoing restrictions cannot post Where do you grow your figs ?.. America ? Francisco Portugal
Porfirio
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Hi Francisco When I was a young kid my father had a fig tree they called Milheira prêta black fig and the isnside was clear yellow. Huge tree canopy 10 m diameter, can,t see well from the pictures but the fig I'm talking about was a litle more piriforme. It was a uniferous fig Could this be the same fig?
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lampo
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Hello Porfirio, It could be as you say ! who knows ? Being so small I wondered how this country has such a great variety! I am in the south and the fruit here is distinct from their equivalents in the Center and up North! This link guides you to a number of fig varieties as grown in the Centerhttp://www.iniav.pt/fotos/editor2/folheto_colecao_figueira.pdf There you see Milheira Branca as a biferous fig but no mentioning of Milheira Preta Let's hope Jaime Sacadura chimes in and tells us what he thinks Jaime grows his figs in the Center Portugal and I am sure he will bring in some light. BTW, the other light pulp fig (straw color) I mentioned to FigFan is 'São Luis', widespread in the South (Algarve) in old times but no longer... in fact it is almost extinct. People would use it for drying mainly (a sugar bomb). Are your roots here ? Francisco Portugal
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Looks just like Beall to me.
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Porfirio
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lampo Hello Porfirio,
It could be as you say ! who knows ?
Being so small I wondered how this country has such a great variety!
I am in the south and the fruit here is distinct from their equivalents in the Center and up North!
This link guides you to a number of fig varieties as grown in the Center
http://www.iniav.pt/fotos/editor2/folheto_colecao_figueira.pdf There you see Milheira Branca as a biferous fig but no mentioning of Milheira Preta
Let's hope Jaime Sacadura chimes in and tells us what he thinks
Jaime grows his figs in the Center Portugal and I am sure he will bring in some light.
BTW, the other light pulp fig (straw color) I mentioned to FigFan is 'São Luis', widespread in the South (Algarve) in old times but no longer... in fact it is almost extinct.
People would use it for drying mainly (a sugar bomb).
Are your roots here ?
Francisco
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Yes i was born in Pederneira,Freguesia de Urqueira , Concelho, Vila Nova de Ourém.
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FigFan
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Good Morning and thanx for that much answers! :-) I'm from Germany, so no Blastophaga in sight. Should be a common fig, though. I did only read the first answer post so far, have to read the others now, too! :) Greetings, Kai
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FigFan
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I googled somewhat - could it perhaps be a 'Black Triana'?
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haslamhulme
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Guten morgen fig fan!,Grusse von England.I think Black Triana has pink/red flesh.Ykur fig has very yellow flesh. sometime figs ripen light flesh in cooler Klima but it would be a lighter red/pink.
There are only really a handful of yellow flesh dark skin figs.Some have Amber flesh,maybe yours is one of those but just ripen light.The ones I can think of as Beale(which is from California), Osborne Prolific/Neverella,there are some Turkish figs also
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jdsfrance
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Hi, The only yellow fleshed fig that I know of is Osborn prolific. But the leaves are not a match. Because you grow in a pot, the leaves on your tree could be untrue to what they should be. But it could be something else :) . My 2 cents on Osborn Unprolific ... hum, I meant Osborn prolific .
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haslamhulme
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As this fig comes from Sicily I think it's unlikely to be any of the American yellow flesh figs,try checking out Italian fig sites,unless it's a seedling or very local to your friend id expect it to be sold somewhere because it is nice and unusual.If you prune please let me know,happy to swap cuttings for something I have and you are interested in
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FigFan
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@haslamhulme The plant is still very small. Will plant it out in the garden next may/june, it has still approve how hardy it is. When it survives the winter and eventually prospers, I will be glad to send you some cuttings to UK :) (But I don't know, what customs will say after Brexit. Hopefully it will work then.)
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kkk2210
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Looks like LSU purple
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haslamhulme
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Another good suggestion Vinny,we are all really helpful at narrowing down the likely candidates!.
Figfan,I may give away my political allegiances a bit here but Brexit can hau ab!.As for my cuttings getting through customs they can take my cuttings if they want and in den arsch stecken!.Ich bin Europaische und wird immer sein,kann kein Politiker das veranderung.
Figs will always find a way!
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Smyfigs
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FigFan, your fig looks great! I will follow this post as I am interested to know what variety it possibly is.
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FigFan
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Thanx for all the suggestions here! :-) And yeah - figs will find their way! :-D I forgot to mention that this fig seem to have only one crop per year.
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Porfirio, In a Portuguese document the variety Milheira is mentioned as being typical from the Torres Novas region alongside several other varieties cultivated in that region, but i think they are probably referring to Milheira Branca that also appears in the Alcobaça document that Francisco has mentioned. Here's the link to the document i am referring to http://www.uc.pt/fctuc/dcv/Projectos/ProfJCanhoto/Portugal13 See the bottom of page 10:
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elin
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Your fig can be showing white pulp because of young age or a shady spot were its planted. You should wait 1 more season to make a verdict.. Few ideas as I have two similar local heirlooms:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206922088632909&set=a.10205429471238407.1073741829.1298814119&type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207454801830406&set=pcb.10207454803030436&type=3&theater LSU purple has similar pulp too. also watch for ricotta here : http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1286238547&postcount=1&forum=0
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Hmmmmm. There is a slight possibility we have the same mystery fig. I have a similar looking fruit on mine, and got it from a mother tree in Portugal. Leaves look similar to Black Madeira, but they are a pointy instead of rounded. It puts out a lot of figs that were not very good/not bad either, however I can sense some potential there and I'm sure it will improve with age. It had a unique flavor profile and good sweetness all things considered. The ripening conditions were very poor when the tree produced fruit and the tree is very young so I can't judge it fairly. Will know more next year. Here is the link to the page: https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/new-black-madeira-fig-source-8150047?pid=1293429913 Good luck on the ID!
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lampo
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From above post (nr 5) ............ BTW, the other light pulp fig (straw color) I mentioned to FigFan is 'São Luis', widespread in the South (Algarve) in old times but no longer... in fact it is almost extinct. People would use it for drying mainly (a sugar bomb). Pretty much the same fig you have shown with straw pulp and dark skin Will try again to post pictures of this cultivar.. Sorry not allowed ! I there an alternative to bring these pics to the forum ?? tks Francisco Portugal
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Francisco, I would open a free account on some photo publishing web site - like Photobucket - publish the photos there, then copy the IMG link and paste it here. Like this - these are your photos of São Luís: It will be a shame if this wonderful variety is lost forever. It's on the top of my wish list. Let me know if i can help in any way in trying to locate and saving it.
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lampo
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Thank you Jaime, These pics are from my Sao Luis (pollinated) taken some time ago. I shall upload additional Sao Luis pics, this time from a friend's tree and showing non pollinated fruit! Will do on my 'Lampo2012' flickr album Francisco Portugal
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FigFan
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Thank you all! :-) Couldn't sleep last night, so I went out and harvested the last fruit from this tree. Already hat some 3°C nights here - put it still ripened! It was very soft, I didn't eat it so far. Something, that may be special with this cultivar: The fruits didn't start to hang when ripen. They are still mainly upright. Was with 2/2 fruits alike.
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DevIsgro
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What was the eye like? Open or tight? I remember q complaint of China White is that the eye points up and is open so it spoils in rain badly.
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Smyfigs
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FigFan (and SuperMario) your fig resembles the Sao Luis
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Hello! After I saw lampo's pictures of the unpollinated 'Sao Luis' - and the leafs, too - I'm about 90% sure that we have a match! :-))) Being an non-pollinated fruit might explain why the taste is somewhat "boring", too! (Am I right in this point?) Thank you ALL!! Thank you the most, Francisco! :-) And thank you, too, Eli! :-) The link to the pdf was interesting, I give the remaining 10% "sureness" for the ID to 'Zingarello nero' (means that little black cigar??) Greetings, Kai
__________________Greetings, Kai - Please overlook my (rather bad) school english, thx! :-) Germany, Zone 7-ish, 200 m altitude, cold westwind valley.Owned: 'RdB', 'Olympian', 'BT', 'Black Plate Giant', 'Trnavska', Ficus palmata ssp. virgata, Ficus afghanistanica, "B&W", 'Ignaz 1000' (Mt Etna 1 km. alt.), 'Ignaz 1200' (Mt Etna 1.2 km alt.), 'Ribe' (unkn. Denmark), 'Bratislava' (unkn. Slovakia), unkn. Denmark/Sweden 2, unkn. green Italy, unkn. fig (possibly BT), unkn. fig (possibly 'Dalmatie' or 'Doree'). All of my figs are still "babyplants" (0-3 y, all still potted/rooting in 2016), so don't expect cuttings too early ... Want: 'Michurinska-10', ultra hardy lokal figs, [hardy carnivor plants, (hardy and non-hardy) cactuses & succulents, (hardy and non hardy) orchids, miniature varieties of plants, corals/anemones/algeae ] - if you have some offset of plants that could be interesting for me and you live in the EU (for shipment/customs issues ), please don't hesitate to contact me! :-)
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Hi, None of my figs are pollinated (Zone7), and their test is not boring .. or they get the ax. One needs to select the figs according to the strain and to the growing conditions . Give the trees some time. I give them 5 years before making a decision .
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It does look like the plant is txt ill quite young,as JDSFrance said he waits 5 years,the eat fruit I've tasted has come from mature trees,they take a while to get into their stride
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