A San Pedro breba also known by the name of Carvalhal.
This particular tree is not irrigated . The large to very large fruit is much flavored, sweet and goes very well with 'presunto'.
It is by far the most popular breba in Portugal

Francisco

 


       

Francisco

I wonder if i sell all of my trees on eBay, if I can raise enough money to buy the house next door to Francisco.

Not going to happen, James.
I bought all the land around him. Want to buy some land?


Francisco,
You mentioned "Lampeira Preta. Does this mean there is a L. Bianca? Or L. something else?

Thanks

I'll time share a room.

Rafed, I believe that the Lampiera that many of us have had for some time such as which is growing at Prusch Park in San Jose is Lampeira Branca.  Some have written in the past that what is at Prusch (and Wolfskill?) can't really be the real thing since it's not a San Pedro type but I believe the mistake is that it is simply just called Lampeira.

Here is a thread where both varieties is listed http://www.figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6347328

Here is where Francisco addressed my question once on Lampeira Branca http://www.figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1281840876&postcount=44

Here is where I posted a photo of the Lampeira at Prusch last September: http://www.figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1279634913&postcount=10

Note: I often misspell it as Lampiera which is really silly considering I don't mix up the order of the vowels in my surname.

Thanks Harvey,

This was on my want list for a long time because I hear such great things about it. It's been so long on the want list I forgot what color it was. LOL
I was promised a plant but I guess it was brushed aside. I left it alone, long story and I'll keep it to myself.

Anyway,
A fig friend sent me a bunch of cuttings recently and I just started to them yesterday.

But the bus was going at the time;)

Lovely pics Francisco. I knew carvalhal was a San Pedro type but never though it was the same as lampeira. Unfortunately I lost my Lampa preta this winter but am rooting some Lampa Branca so far so good.

Also rooting some lampeira cuttings from France hope it's a real lampeira.

Also had the lampeira Harvey mentioned but never ripened any main crop for me the three seasons I had it.

Nelson

Thank you All for looking at those pictures and commenting on these Lampeira preta brebas.

Long, long time ago, Gustav Eisen wrote:

quote/....

This fig belongs to the San Pedro class, the trees sent to Niles through the Department of Agriculture having matured splendid second-crop figs after having been caprificated. It is certain, however, that the Lampeira is one of the finest of all first-crop figs, and that it should be widely distributed. ...

unquote/ ......

Those lines were written almost 120 years ago! I see no reason for not trying again
As a breba, it will be as good as BT if not a 'bit' better (?!)

James,

I believe that on some community of Portuguese people in California there will be a Lampeira preta.
For many years,  around here it was sort of 'mandatory' to have one of these fig trees on every backyard

Rafed, Harvey

There is in fact a Lampa Branca fig, two crop and fully parthenocarpic. Sweet and flavored mostly used in preserves . Brebas much smaller than those of Lampeira Preta
I hope to show this fig later in the season.

Francisco

Hi Nelson

Your post came while I was preparing mine.
Yes, Carvalhal is believed to be synonym of Lampeira preta. Sorry to hear you lost your Lampeira.
Will send you an email tonight

Best wishes
Francisco

The pictures are amazing.
Francisco can you describe the taste profile?
doesnt look like the carified incharios you showed before so i assume they were not pollinated?

BTW my potted trees are growing slow  for some reason- maybe soil maybe slow developing summer-  are you experiencing this in portugal?

thanks

Hello Eli,

Thank you for commenting those pictures.

This San Pedro breba fruit (our Lampeira)  has to be appreciated among their kind.
Being in general terms a large or very large fruit and ripening in spring mostly (in my area they come in May-June) this fruit cannot develop too much sugars...limited sun-hours, fast ripening, etc.   However they are very 'fresh'  sweety and flavored.

Eisen called it - ...one of the finest of all first-crop figs - ...

To my knowledge, brebas are parthenocarpic and cannot take any benefit from pollination.. by the time the insect shows up with the pollen these brebas are already ripen and cannot take any advantage from pollination.
Lampeira preta apart from all those characteristics is also very juicy, without being watery.

Smyrnas (Incharios for instance) and the Lampeira main crop which behave like Smyrna are different fruit, much smaller in size higher sugar concentrations, ripening through the long sunny days under  much higher ambient temperatures, enough time to develop those aromas, flavors, juices, colors  etc.. and the benefits of pollination, filling the tiny seeds with tasty fertile kernels (the crunchy flavor)  thus boosting the overall appreciation of this fruit.

Both Lampeira and Incharios , if you under the tree, with plenty around you, DO develop the feeling
of...just one more!..and another one... this big one if left behind will rot.. well I will take it.. and it is very difficult to stop !

Francisco

Франциско, спасибо за фото и подробным описанием рис.

Thank you Vladis
Lampeira should be OK near the Black Sea

Francisco

(Lampeira должно быть в порядке в районе Черного моря)

Hi Lampo,
Nice looking fig. Can you put something ( a coin ) next, to have a scale ?

Thank you jds. Sorry,  have no coin now!
Hope the pictures , dimensions and the scale reading will convince you...

Mr. Eisen in his book, page 248, speaks of Lampeira brebas with sizes 4.5 inches by 2.5" ...fruit 1 inch longer than what I am showing.. It's not difficult to find Lampeira brebas of 200 + grs

Francisco

     

Wow!  Looks nice.

@Francisco, I notice purple lining on the last cut fig picture , yet not in the 5th pic from top cut fig. 
I have been noticing this "purple lining" between the meat and pulp in pollinated figs in LA.
Is there any factitious reality to what I have been noticing?

Very nice! I hope to taste them at some point

Thank you fellows for commenting those pictures.

Joe, From what I see in your videos and given your location it could be grown over there..(?)

Aaron, The detail you are talking about (more or less diluted between skin and flesh)  appears on a number of figs be they of whatever variety and class. I think that is a matter resulting from different aspects of their cultivation, nutrients, soils irrigation, climate etc etc...

However, on some varieties, like the one shown on the following pictures, also a breba, this purple 'ring' is more evident and appears on every fig, it's in its genes I believe.
Also shows up and well marked on a family of good Caprifigs (Shelb) and associated to deep red/violet fig pulps..Common and Smyrnas.

Igor, Aim looking forward to see what comes up.. give it, timely,  organic fertilizer and JUST the water it needs. The bright brown skin, and the full juicy pinkish/brown pulps will certainly show up.
Then as you are in fig Paradise do not give up the main crop figs... smaller with an unmatched flavor, sweet and genuinely CRUNCHY ..By the time you pick up the luscious brebas early morning, you see the wasps busy pollinating the still small and green main crop figs...a couple of inches on the side !

Francisco

Hello Francisco,
Do you have a pic of the leaves of Lampeira? I bought a Lampeira plant in a nursery in south of France but I'm not sure if it is a true one, and I'm not convinced at all!
It has long leaves especially the central folioles wich are very elongated.
I live in western Brittany where summers are very cool, only brebas mature here, we can't get main crop figs even with the earliest varieties like Ronde de Bordeaux or Pastilière! So I'm looking for good brebas varieties like Lampeira. Do you know some others?
Obrigado
Yves

Hi Yves,

I am attaching some pictures of branches of Lampeira Preta and hope it helps.
Your description of ... <it has long leaves especially the central folioles which are very elongated>
does not correspond to the leaves I am used to see on ' Lampeira preta'

This variety shows , I would say, about 50/50 lobe less and three wide lobes
Never seen any appreciable quantities of other kinds/shapes of leaves

You may have a different cultivar and may be we can repair that  !?
Tonight or tomorrow, I shall be showing another early breba , - 'Principe' -  also popular in the south of Portugal but not comparable with Lampeira.
Francisco

       

Hi Lampo,
The last pic is amazing ! So many figs on a single stem ...

Francisco,
thank you very much for the pics! Well I had good reason to doubt about my Lampeira! the leaves don't look at all like the one in your pics! I'll post a pic of mine tomorow.
Now I have something else for three years!
I wonder why it is impossible to find Lampeira in France! Even Baud nursery don't have it! It would do great here, if the figs are so tasty so early in late spring in Portugal, I'm sure it will do as well here probably in august! with such amount of brebas! Dauphine and Croisic are the only ones to have a good breba crop, I'm trying Grise de Saint Jean with very good result too! It would be great to add a new variety!
I'm also trying Desert king which gave me a dozen figs for thr first time last summer, very disapointing, the taste was coarse! hope it gets better in future.
Anyway I would love to try it if you have the possibility to find and to send me a plant, I will pay it plus the fees!
Thank you!!

francisco,

that looks very nice. my lampo Preto is still hanging in there. i put a clear cup like you suggested and now they have small leaves. i'm accmulating them now so they can grow.